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The Luigi Torelli was one of only two ships to serve all the Axis powers - Italy, Nazi Germany, and the Japanese Empire - the other being another Italian sub, the Comandante Cappellini.
The two Italian ships' repeated change of operators came due to the gradual strangling of the Axis by the Allied nations. Their histories link to the often-forgot German & Italian involvement in the war in the Pacific, and the difficulty of easily sticking to notions of loyalty - to what, or whom - that can often be easily lost in re-tellings of the Second World War.
The Torelli and Cappellini had both served the Italian Navy's main area of operations, the Mediterranean, and supported Nazi German operations in the North Sea and the Atlantic, both had been posted to the Far East before 1943, as part of a much larger group of German U-boats operating out of Penang called the Monsun Group. After the surrender of Italy to the Allies on 8th September 1943, Japan interned all Italians who refused to swear allegiance to Mussolini's rump-state the Italian Social Republic (often called the Republic of Salo) which was set up on 23rd September 1943.
This led to interesting but minor military actions in the Chinese cites of of Beijing, where Italy maintained a radio station, and Tientsin, where a small "Concession" of Italian territory existed.
[Picture: Italian Lancia 1ZM armoured cars in the Italian concession in Tientsin before World War Two.]
The radio station garrison of about 150 infantrymen resisted an attempt by 1000 Japanese soldiers and 15 tanks to occupy the area for 24 hours on 10 September 1943. The Concession in Tientsin had 600 men, 4 armoured cars and 4 anti-tank artillery pieces, but also a large number of Italian civilians; the Japanese approached with 6000 Japanese troops, supported by an air force bomber squadron. A brief artillery bombardment by Japanese forces convinced the Italian commander to surrender the Concession.
[Picture: The Italian Concession in Tientisin; the purple area to the south-west is the Japanese concession - Japanese artillery conducted their brief exemplary barrage of the Italian sector from here.]
Many of the soldiers from these garrisons were taken into Japanese captivity after they refused to pledge loyalty to the Italian Social Republic, and were dispersed in camps across China, Korea, and Japan alongside soldiers from the Allied nations, and suffered alongside them until liberation in 1945.
[Picture: Italian troops in Tientsin, at some point between 1936-1943.]
Sailors from the Torellia, Cappellini, and a further submarine, the Giuliani (which does not seem to have been kept in service by anyone after 1943) were also divided into those remaining loyal to Mussolini and those not - but not before the majority of the crew of the Cappellini attempted, on 9 September 1943 (the day of Italian surrender) to flee Sabang (near Sumatra) and return to Italy, which included a tense standoff where the Italian crew threatened to blow up the submarine if Japanese forces attempted to board.
The Torelli and Cappellini were both handed by Japan to Nazi Germany, with both submarines now having a mix of Italians who swore loyalty to Mussolini, and Germans. Torrelli was re-designated U.IT.25 by the German Kriegsmarine, with Cappellini as U.IT.24. It seems that both submarines operated as supply ships in the waters around Japan, rather than going on longer ship-hunting voyages; although it appears that the Cappellini was considered for an attempt to return to Bordeaux, presumably cancelled by the allied invasion of France in June 1944.
[Picture: Japanese Navy and Kriegsmarine officers and men, this picture is presumed taken in Penang, the Monsun Group's home port.]
Several of the crew of the Italian submarines tried to return to the European theatre as passengers on board a German blockade runner called Burgenland. The ship set off from Singapore but on 5 January 1944 was attacked by the United States navy, which led to Burgenland being scuttled. The survivors, including the former Captain of the Cappellini, were eventually picked up in lifeboats by a Brazilian ship, and made prisoners-of-war.
In May 1945, Nazi Germany surrendered, so the Japanese again took control of these foreign ships, but now commissioned them in their own navy, with Torelli re-re-designated as I-504, with Cappellini as I-503. Both ships now had a tripartite pact crew of Italians and Germans who did not accept the surrender of their home countries, and new Japanese officers.
It was under such a multi-national crew that Torelli managed to down a USAAF B-25 Mitchell bomber over the anchorage at Kobe in late 1945; which has been claimed as the 'final' victory of the Imperial Japanese Navy - once one of the world's greatest, and at the time of Pearl Harbour, owner of the greatest aircraft carrier striking force in the world, and later operator of the world's largest battleships.
Both submarines were scuttled by the United States Navy in the waters near Japan after World War Two.
HouseofHogan
More of this on a video by mark felton on youtube
Imakethingsweird
This was informative but also a wild ride, thx.
kittylumps
Man I’d love a book or movie on this! Couldn’t find anything specifically about these ships and their mixed crews sadly
DaisyfromDownunder
Italian armoured vehicles were a feat of engineering - 1 forward gear and 16 in reverse.
catsandcoke
straha242
Check out the USS Barb, the sub that sank a train!
Tyanet
Imagine getting shot down by a boat named Luigi
ImProbablyReallyHighRightNow
There's a movie called salo. I do not recommend watching it.
HonestCommentFarmer
Northernwest
Always up vote history!
G0ROBOT
The crew of the USS Barb blew up a train during WWII, by surfacing at night leading the crew to shore and planting explosives on the tracks.
Santorrr
I know another Giuliani that hasn't been kept in service from about 1943
imullofmachine
I'm just realizing japan was like the England of the east. Tiny little island but super good at imperial maritime bullshit
MeMyselfandyourCat
Didn't expect to see Penang here on imgur. Much less like that.
LjubljanaJeNajlepseMestoNaSvetu
Iant is wonderfull how Italians Germans and Japanese all got along working on one submarine ?
WhathaveIdonetodeserveImgur
Diversity?
SimoVonKikkel
Made in Japan? Not china?
Notthewatdabney
Thanks for the history lesson. Makes me want to read P.K. Dick's The Man in the High Castle again.
TheFancyWooper
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AppaTheSnarkyBison
USS "Hot Dogs" destroys Japanese sub-hunter, "Takoyaki"
sophiadalke
Mark Felton, is that you? https://youtu.be/VlSi2Zr-h_Y
nemilyk
If not, then Drachinifel
taurondir
You must be a REALLY BAD SHOT to hit a plane with a torpedo.
aaronmiller6668888
I could go for an Italian sub.
Kingamygdala
StarscreamAndHutch
Fuckin’ Luigi
KoolInternetCat
SimoVonKikkel
Not made in china? What?
Attaroo
Several of the Axis troops that surrendered on D-Day were Korean. They were Korean nationals impressed by Japan, fought against Zhukov at
Attaroo
Kholkin-Gol and were captured, and then were impressed again and fought against the Nazis during Barbarossa. Where they were captured and
Attaroo
sent to man the coastal defenses of you guessed it, Normandy. They were repatrioted after, and sent back to Korea - in time for the
Attaroo
Korean War.
VultureTX
unfortunately they were much too early to become reviewers for "all the world's POW camps" or "see the world in chains" pt X
OnePieceRoboFranky
No disrespect. That gotta be embarrassing to be shot down by a submarine. What kinda gun is put on a sub that shoots down bombers ?
shmoogeeoogee
Apparently, it was the blast from the ship they destroyed caught a plane in the fireball
Bigemedic
An...anti-aircraft gun?
Marine0311
Many subs carried AA guns. Aircraft were a major threat to submarines. Over 120 Allied aircraft were shot down by U-boats alone in WW II.
DonnaNobleInTheLibrary
There were guns that combined surface and anti-air functionality, like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QF_5.25-inch_naval_gun
ochermes28
The light anti aircraft guns were one or two 13.2 mm machine guns. Conceivably they could down a Mitchell B-25.
Nuttsy
4 machine guns.
ochermes28
Right. The caliber would be 13.2 mm though.
Northernwest
If I had to guess it was a smaller dive or torpedo bomber that operate at low altitude. The sub probably had an AA gun on top while anchored
halcyonsky
If you liked that, you should check out the story of the USS Barb. The only submarine to sink... a train. https://youtu.be/PKklyvxw8QU
Somnipresent
Hit a supply ship most likely laden with explosives. The huge pillar of water/fire/seamen took out one of 3 supporting twin engined planes.
Wesugi
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Drewscifer
Surprising how effective US Submarines became once they fixed the damn torpedoes.
Sprinx
Damn the torpedoes!
SamAndJanetEvening
A friend of my family was on board the Barb for that mission. Nice old gentleman, just died last year.
DarkSock
Blue shell launcher
Letmelookatpictures
Couldn't have been too bad a pilot then, they were in 1st
OnePieceRoboFranky
Hmmm Nintendo is Japanese
drcookieninja
And Mario is Italian.
OnePieceRoboFranky
They mentioned a blue shell launcher sounds pretty Nintendo to me.
ZackWester
I mean most WW2 sub especially older models had a Auto cannon off some sort on the top (when sub was above water and sued to sink lone
ZackWester
supply ship as a submarine could carry more cannon ammo then torpedo ammo and it was easier to destroy a merchant ship whit the auto cannon
ZackWester
then a torpedo and also for less space used, and it saved the torpedo that was in extremely limited number on board.
Tyanet
That’s actually the point of sub deck guns. The biggest threat to submarines was usually naval air patrols, which could drop depth charges.
NOTSAYINJUSTSAYIN
Tell that to the pilot who was shot down by a fucking TORPEDO fired by the HMS Umbra in Dec, 1942.
KittensGivePaarthurnaxGas
Or the captain of an aircraft carrier sunk by battleships.
fireaza
As accurately depicted in this scene from Black Lagoon
maliciousGman
Umbra? *Oblivion flashbacks intensify*
Rasdwatrium
Ah yes, the Black Lagoon incident
Fokeiro
Rayfire3535
That's what he said!
OnePieceRoboFranky
wanniewind
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/38463/the-tale-of-a-world-war-ii-british-submarine-that-shot-down-an-enemy-plane-with-a-torpedo
Wesugi
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Drewscifer
This is informative & does seem to indicate that it may or may not have occurred but was a result of 2 coincidental events. Thanks!