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MrStrawberry209
In the US, right?
desertbeagles
so that's what happened to Emilio Estevez
parasitoid
Merica
HamDangler4TheAngleOfTheDangle
Police Officer: "You get house arrest. Now go home and die."
ftex530
Sauce
Ijustcomehereformemes
People actually do that here for free dental appointments cos it’s so expensive
Evanrudeplz
Charged with larceny (opposed to armed robbery) which carries a hefty fine and <1 year a yr in prison. Congratulations, you played yourself.
bunnyrut
This is my retirement plan.
mandragoran69
Said the same thing, but In Canada I’d have to join isis and commit a terror act to be able to retire for 5 years before they paroled me
Thesteveadin
always ask more enough money to make it a felony. ppl that go in for a dollar are often released
SimonMc
It's almost like the system is broken.
sieferswe82
To live in prison and get all kinds of luxury. Nice ey?
cinematicheart
They even have cable tv in their cells now. Half these guys probably have it better inside.
imnotlostinlifeijustdonthaveanywheretogo
TheRapistX
I think you can be happy to not get shot if you live in america.
the bank was probably hackin' on him. These Young Guns sequels have gotten out of hand.
Trelkeen
America's healthcare system is a hybrid that took the worst from all systems. We'd be better off by going in either direction..personally 1/
i'd prefer a free market system w/ gov oversight & regulation but even a universal system would be better than the current one.
clamdriver
Cops probably gave the bank a dollar and drove this poor sod to a shelter. One would hope.
CryingDuringFinals
Do shelters offer healthcare?
ManfredManboobs
Martin sheen hit hard times
ehoba666
Looks like he hit something with his face too
fudgycurmudgeon
I couldn’t place it so I was hoping someone commented
NoUserNameIsTaken
Modern problems? It's timeless classics -"The Cop and the Anthem", "Freddie the Freeloader", "The Pink Panther in: A Pink Christmas"
adamsonpaul5772
The USA needs to learn a lesson
Gundarian
Japan have the same problem where more elderly want to go to prison than elderly home. At least someone will take care them full time
Sabr712
Yeah, so we clearly need to spend billions on a wall and not healthcare...
TheFashion
This story is total bullshit. You know that, right? It's just another left wing propaganda piece.
stevev45
Medicare for all is estimated to be 3260 billion per year. For the wall they arguing about a one time 2-10 billion.
amglasgow
which is billions less than we're already spending on healthcare
I don’t think thats accurate.
We already pay billions for healthcare through insurance premiums and directly. All the money that goes to insurance companies currently.
Reminds me of the situation in Sweden. There is such good conditions in prisons here that foreigers come here and do crimes just to have the
limerind
very dumb. it'd be much nicer to get involuntarily committed at a mental hospital.
squirreltactics
I've actually heard the opposite and sometimes pleading insanity is not the best option.
that's because involuntary commitment doesn't have a fixed term attached, whereas incarceration does
They're largely defunded.
skylin05
From what I heat mental hospitals still aren't that great..
Turns out taking care of cray people is hard.
buttbuttpartywagon
We really need to bring back asylums
we also need a designation unattached to mental health for people incapable of caring for themselves
Yeah, assisted living does have that but of stigma to it doesnt it
more like "ward of the state." we should provide for them while acknowledging that the cost of this are certain civil rights like voting
if they're only physically incapable but fully mentally capable of taking care of themselves, why take away their voting rights?
rockyourarmsoff
*$1
Frizone25
youmustbefunatparties
You must be fun at parties
I do tend to rock my arms off.
DonOf952
Username checks out
CaptCraazy
He's just trying to give some helpful pointers.
uglywerewolf
See I always read $1 as “dollar 1” and 1$ as “1 dollar”... it just seems backwards too me -shurgs-
farticusprime
That’s for any currency £1, €1
cobysev
You don't read the dollar sign. It's at the front to clarify what the number represents. Sucks for speaking but makes sense when reading.
Nivvi
US is backwards with a lot of things lile date month/day/year
howsplendid
Politics, racism, gun laws, ignorance, etc. etc.
UnluckyLunkhead
And its system of healthcare.
secondgoaround
Bam! There it is!
Hurro
As a Canadian I get confused on low day/months, sometimes. Did you mean July 3rd or March 7th!?!
Nathanfake
me too fellow canuck
Thesmithlord
To clarify for those of you up in the hat, We meant seven thirds.
CERES9000
America sucks balls. Shithole of a country for the average Joe. A true SHITHOLE.
Carefuler
Are you in the U.S.? Maybe you can trade places with one of the 1,000,000's trying to get in here. We won't miss you.
faspro19641337
Get out then. You sound like a lib; for sure?
Littleman88
Better a "dumb" lib than a heartless republican dumber enough still to vote against their own best interests.
thesameasyours
spoken like a true republican, "git outta my country< this country wasnt built on immigrati....oh wait.
AurikNecal
It wasn't built on immigration. It was built on conquest like any other nation. Immigrants joined the conquerors.
No, the pioneers settled and built townships, before the conquest of the natives, you could argue that it was founded on conquest perhaps
You know what? Not everyone in the world lives in america, yet there are so many americans which believe that everyone in the internet is.
And not everyone is speaking english as there native language. I for one am a german and happy to have my nice healthcare and insurance.
I hope you're enjoying the accepted bigotry, and lack of free healthcare and education. And for the love of god let's not get into the-
stupid "but it's not free" argument because that's just a limited understanding.
I'm too rich and intelligent to live in that cesspool, it's all yours my stupid little magat or what ever you dumb fucks are called.
Dustorn
Wait now, hold up - don't lump us all in with him.
FaceAaA
You need therapy.
novokaine187
I mean, my son’s teacher had to be quit and file unemployment so she could afford healthcare for her daughter, yey Healthcare system!
DarthLabradoodle
I'm pretty sure quitting your job precludes you from receiving unemployment, but cool story.
Well it doesn’t. Since that was her situation lol. It’s not really a cool story either but yeap
Go live in a socialist country then, please.
I mean it’s just the state of things here atm, better to try and improve, please.
ThailandExpress
go live in a communist country then, where you wont have to lie about loving Jesus to be in the Republican party
Jesus never did say free healthcare for all. Did he? Oh, I think you should live in a communist country where everything is free...
also from directly from the bible read and heed or risk your immortal soul over politics
rando84
Nah, I think we'll just change this one instead.
So any country that provides healthcare to the kids of teachers is socialist?
I think that in the United States, people take it for granted how good their lives are, and therefore they complain. Assistance is provided.
Assistance is provided for all who seek it. God says, ask and you shall receive.
Pretty damn sure this lady asked for help and was told she made too much money.
People who can't afford health insurance for their sick kid do not have it good.
MattDude
It's so sad that this is the state of US health care. And when we ask for Medicare for all, we get "HOW arE yOu GOinG tO paY fOr It?"
mcneelyj
We can't even pay to use the health insurance "coverage" we pay for because it costs too much. Can't win without single payer.
SuperbBackhand
No matter the sector, that should be asked, I realize it's usually used by hypocrites, but it's a valid question
[deleted]
I wasn't making the case either way, I'm just saying the question has validity (and should be asked about the military). Thanks though!
bluesandwhich
In canada I make ~$65k/yr and had about $9k taken off my taxes for 2018. Also pay 5% tax on most purchases. Not a huge amount (1/2)
Considering that covers everything from healthcare, education, infrastructure, etc. There's also extra tax on gas, electricity but isn'tmuch
Yeah, is it so hard for you libtards to understand basic monetary transactions?
we can cut all them free loading socialist farmer subsidies, that'll teach em to be so socialist
YourLocalPleb
This is where the US really needs to look at us Aussies when it comes to public healthcare, we have Medicare, and it works.
SomeMayCallMeTimmmmm
Problem is our political system is too jacked up to implement an effective system...
vielleicht
...and like the rest of the western world
Yeah, Australia rocks, lol.
enheru
Not only that, but Australian system is cheaper than the one the US currently has.If we just adopted how the Aussies do it we'll save money.
delpharseven
Everyone's system cheaper than the US. https://imgur.com/InWHUz9
CosmoTripper
Just have a look at European countries. We have healthcare and we pay it with our taxes. Thanks to this, I know several people who 1/2
In Aus we actually get penalised with a higher Medicare tax if we don't have private health insurance because of crowded hospitals.
got free of cancer without having to pay no additional fees. 2/2
orionlpax
yeah, how dare people question whose going to pay for hundreds of billions in medical costs!
cdhpineapple
It would literally be less expensive than the garbage we already pay record high costs for. But ok stay in your bubble
NeverTrustAWombat
You realise that every other developed country has a national healthcare system right? US alone does not, and it's fucked as a result.
hakunamatatas
That's not why it is fucked, hell, the US government pays more per capita on heathcare than nationalized systems.
But a nationalised system provides affordable healthcare to all, us has very little of that
It also has the vast majority of new drugs and the like (even though the FDA is a piece of shit). We're basically subsidizing everyone.
meanwhile democrats quibble over 6 billion for border security
TheDonutMan
When the majority of illegals came here on legal visas and have been here for 5+ years.. Yes, its something to quibble over. The border isn'
t even how they got here so whats the point. Can you please tell me I'm missing something?
cakeisprettygood
Does anyone have that tweet about the dude saying his wife complains about him buying a sword when she buys groceries
prestidigination
Wall <> Security. Wall = Vanity Project. When you understand that, you can sit at the adult table.
More like trillions. 93 trillion.
Troll. US healthcare spending is ~$3T. Switching to a modern system would lower costs.
Ok, so what's the plan? Free for everyone? I'm an average wage earner who likes his coverage. I don't like government handouts.
Think of it as insurance that everyone pays into with taxes and the insurer is non-profit. No deductible.
valen00
We are going to pay half as much for it as we do now, you should be asking "what are you going to do with the extra money"?
well currently it's a mix of individual, company, gov. so if it switches to all gov it's valid to ask how the gov is going to cover the dif.
Per capita, Americans pay more in *taxes* for healthcare than Canadians (PPP adjusted of course). Taxes would not have to go up.
If what? Hospitals suddenly charged what they do in Canada, and everyone suddenly worked for what they do in Canada?
It would be phased in, but yes. Also a lot of profitable insurance companies would take a haircut.
by slightly raising taxes, by an amount that would presumably be half of existing insurance payments
Raising taxes on who? How much is slight? I think the first estimate was like 3.2 trillion per year.
Well how about you think about it for a second and look at the rest of the first world and see how they pay half as much and do that?
No tax increase needed. Blue ~= taxes, red = private insurance: https://imgur.com/InWHUz9
well there ya go
n0n53n53
what makes you think the government would run it more efficiently than private sector. You cas have it gov't run but it won't be cheap
The example of every other developed country in the world suggests otherwise.
literally almost every other first world nation?
so you're proposing that a small 1st world nation should take over the huge, poorly run US Gov't or are you hoping that somehow our shitty+
+government will somehow suddenly change how's it's being run?
I was suggesting that out of 49 first world nations with public healthcare the average cost is half of what the US presently pays.
flarflarf
America has so successfully marginalized the very poor that it's basically the same as being criminal.
thunderheat569
Honestly, I think it’s more marginalized the mentally ill/substance addicted. Admittedly, much overlap to the very poor...
NinjaCongo
Or, according to the guy in the post, worse.
SlightlyDodgy
Actually they have practically made being poor a crime
JustTakeItAtFaceValue
Correction: It makes being a criminal look, sound, and usually end up being better
Phlynch
No, we've so successfully incentivised staying poor that people would rather go to prison than look for a job.
Poor isn't a choice. It's an institutionally exponentially sliding scale designed to keep you poor, in debt because banks don't get rich 1/2
2/2 from well off people. The rich done ask for expensive loans, they just don't need them. They don't ask for credit like the poor do.
DJR0umba
you heard "this man would rather be in prison than on the streets" and thought "lazy bastard"? damn lol
youknowthatonepersonwiththeface
Hows that paint can fumes treating ya bud?
Also, that trickle down economy's gonna kick in any day now.
long term homeless people are typically addicts or insane, neither of which will we help them with unless they're in prison or insured.
the idea that people want to be homeless and really love sleeping on cold concrete in the rain would be laughable if it wasn't so cruel.
soccerStyleKickerClassOF76
Incentivised? This is a person who has never seen how the absolute poorest among us live.. they truly believe that the poor actual enjoy it.
CAntthenuclearapocalypsecomesoicanjustdiealready
That cause middle and upper class Americans have this toxic ayn randian concept that poverty is a moral failure
SpyofBlock
when you haven't read ayn rand but somebody told you about her so you just go off that
While I haven't read atlas shrugged but I was forced to read her garbage book anthem in highschool. She is an awful writer
cpnbeeb
B-b-b-but muh trickle down economics, just pull yourselves up by your bootstraps anyone can do it
priorititties
I fucking hate ayn rand
Only selfish dipshits do like her
Raiderbeater
Let me guess.....Bernie! Bernie! Bernie! Lol
While I did vote for Bernie I actually care about my fellow human beings and I'm not a heartless greedy sociopath like Rand
PorpoiseDriven
You should do something to help the impoverished.
I teach at a low income highschool I already do
are you middle class?
Lower middle/high lower class
also thank you!
kevinallover
The irony is that money solves poverty and homes solve homelessness.
I mean you're right yeah but i feel like this isn't really irony tho
SqueezitTheClown
The irony is that poverty is caused by lack of money and homelessness is caused by lack of housing.
FarkasMacTavish
Lack of housing is caused by lack of money. Lack of money is caused by mental illness OR no marketable skills OR laziness.
QueenCousland
A whole five comments into the comment chain before one of them emerged, that's better than usual.
DamnYouMongorians
Or runaway market inflation and stagnant wages or a massive influx of high wage workers or a high cost of living due to living in an island.
Started out good but then you turned into a total ranDroid at the end
yep
DocWino
I’m sure poor people in your country are treated like kings. Live it before you judge.
My country is America. I've been poor here, thanks, and I know poor people in what you'd call a third world country.
CypherSteak
Is your name Susan and a Mom of 3? You sound like a Susan, Mom of 3.
No. I’m a nurse in the US. I work for a company that provides mental health and housing services to the homeless. What now Felicia?
shorey66
She cant hear you. She's talking to the manager
jery007
Ugh, no prison is better than poverty
Depends on the level of poverty bro
that's an easy thing to say when you haven't slept on concrete in the rain for a week
Fushelama
Have you ever been stabbed for being a certain race homeless?
me personally? no. but if you're trying to imply that the homeless aren't victims of violence on the regular then I have some bad news.
I mean i don't know, I've never been in prison or been long term homeless so idk but that's not a statement I'd make.
I screwed up my comma. I meant, prison seems better than poverty
oh, hahaha
GhostOTM
America has this problems, do doubt, but I have never found any evidence that it is worse in America then anywhere else in the world.
ProgeriaProstitutes
No, there aren't that many homeless here, but they are still marginalised.
HiddenSanity
No, the poor are poorer in the USA than most of the other developed world, Gigantic wealth gap.
Says guy that's never been outside America.
FreekyMage
Is this your first day on the internet?
Lack of socialized healthcare and education to just name 2 for lack of more characters.
effective public transit and public housing to name 2 more
ApeTitfor600
I have lived in 4 countries and visited many others. America is not the worst. Plus people forget Medicaid if under the poverty line...free
gurimalla47
Scandinavia?
That's a low bar considering we are the nation with the highest GDP in the world.
TrapsAreIllegal
Apparently you don't read any social reports from anywhere else in the world.
SaturnineCult
Here in north europe we don't leave people homeless freezing. You get shitty apartment and government pays your rent if you're unfortunate.
Also, you get healthcare if you need. I don't see any other way that homeless person has even chance to be part of the society again.
What kind of thorough investigation have you conducted into the subject? I lived in Europe as an American and found plenty of evidence.
being dirt poor in america is orders of magnitude worse than being dirt-poor in most of the developed world, mostly because of health care.
being poor will always suck, but it's much worse in countries without socialized health care and public housing.
I got bit by a copperhead, cost me a chunk of change. My friend in Taiwan broke his leg, got an ambukance ride and care, cost him $55 usd
Fair points. I didn't think of that.
TATERx
I can't speak for everywhere in America but I live in a rural area in Georgia and I know of 3 places with in 30 minute drive that
have income based healthcare. If your poor and no household income its "free" If you have house hold income for example a wife it
the situation is better in rural areas, but those places do not have infinitely deep pockets and typically wont deal w/ mental health issues
they will increase it a bit. I paid $20 to see the doctor for bloodwork, shots and see the doctor sense I had to move in with my mom again.
ltmccarthy942
In terms of having literally 0 money. Sure. But being generally poor as in earning min. Wage is magnitudes better than most of the world
MultiplePersonalitiesProfile
Is that the bar Americans look up for?
I don't actually think this is true. I'm sure American poor have cheaper TVs or whatever but I dont think that's important.
Most poor people in America still have a bathroom, soap, a shower, a toilet, food, like these are things that many people don’t have
I know dirt poor people in Malaysia and yeah life is hard but no one lives in fear that they'll get sick and not be able to afford treatment
socialized health care and public housing and decent public transportation make all the difference. Most parts of America have none of those
Anyone can go to emergency rooms and get medical care and just never pay your bill. In fact, many are defacto homeless shelters.
Try going to an emergency room and getting treatment for your cancer.
You can slowly die of a chronic condition (ER visits & EMTALA reqs have their limits) or lose your savings/house to cover the bills.
more than that. You will drag your entire family into bankruptcy trying to keep you alive.
LiteralFish
If the bill is high they will take you to court and garnish your wages. Making it even harder to escape homelessness
I'm not saying it is a great option, just stating facts.
neborno
0 - 100000000 still = 0
johnnydarkside
If you're literally homeless, prison doesn't sound so bad. 3 hots and a cot indoors is better than freezing on the streets.
MrBubblehead
As some who owns a house and works 45 hours a week. 3 squares a day doesnt sound half bad.
VresiBerba
I take it you've never been homeless.
UselessAnon
A lot of people will come to an ER saying that they are suicidal to get hospitalized for that reason.
XANDERtheGR856
Is work at mcds and even tho our lobby is closed I’ll let our regular homeless people stay in overnight if it’s cold out.
Boondangle40
You gone get fired
When Ronald finds out about this. I think he used to teach kick em in the nuts
TRDiscordian
If you mean 3 hot meals a day, (at least in my country) you don't get 3 hot meals a day. You get 2, and one cold one.
SelfTransformingMachineElf
Omg that gave me the most awful flashbacks. These people saying prison is good have no clue. At all.
thejuanrodriguez
And all the rape you can handle
bunhilda
Had a paranoid schizophrenic relative end up in prison. Turned out to be how he got better--routine medical treatment & therapy
Hospitals can rarely keep the mentally ill for as long as the person should be in constant care. Meds take weeks to kick in & paranoid 1/2
schizophrenics (as one example) tend to run away & stop taking meds if there isn't someone they trust to remind them why meds matter
portraitsforfriends
3 hots. Hahahah that’s like singles in my area right?
Ididntcomehereforthis
A) There's a classic short story about this somewhere b) learned this is very true the one time I was arrested.
BoooBerry
And there's free clinics. This story is bogus.
MyGFMightLikeTitsMoreThanIDo
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/jun/21/verone-one-dollar-robbery-healthcare
I'm saying that either 1) the intention is being misrepresented, or 2) the guy is a complete moron.
Antermosiph
Not everywhere has free clinics. And if homeless you might not have transportation as not everywhere has transport. Rural areas especially.
Traliard
Yeah, I mean jail rape is just something parents invented to scare homeless people
MoreAshyThanLarry
As long as you don't mind getting beaten and raped prison seems great.
thorismymaster
Would get the same living on the streets, without the bed and food! Prison would be much nicer.
You've never been to prison stfu
I've been in both situations. There truly is something about freedom that can't be undervalued
Don't need to be rude. What you found better doesn't make it the same for everyone. I know a lot of people who were helped by prison.
onetimeisawbobsagetnaked
What fun, this whole comment thread is just ppl who've never been to shelter or prison comparing the 2
Shelters around here are full and have 30 day in 30 day out policies. Some make you do a urine test and if youre positive they refuse you.
genericanamoly
Been to both. Prisons happen to make millions, where as the homeless don’t make squat. A person can even get a job in prison too.
epicfail331
Being homeless, the wonderful irony is being told to get a job, yet no one wants to hire a homeless person. At least I couldn't find one.
GlebReawer
Should society be set up in such a way that homeless ppl rather go to prison than shelters made for them?
If that were true I think shelters would be less crowded.
Bandana7Jack
No. There are many reasons not to go to one but the other. It depends on factors unique to each person.
JesusLover
Okay then what do you have to say since you’re bitching?
loolapaloola
True on one hand. But on the other you lose your freedom. And I know how that is, so I would say it still sounds pretty shit.
WhatzitTooya
Sometimes all your options are shit. The deeper you are in shit the more often that happens.
AccountCreatedToUpdogVotes
When every day revolves around finding enough food/water/warmth to stay alive, that doesn't sound particularly free either.
I mean I don't know how it is to be in this situation, u probably neither. But I know how it is to be locked in a cell for 22 hours a day.
Some of the homeless know both and apparently choose prison over shelters. I think that's fucked up.
Right, some do, not all and not most of them.
Applepotamus
batukhan
Not just America though, pretty much everywhere
gtsr
Not really, most developed (and some undeveloped) have single payer health care
RealEnglishRage
A comment chain of perfection has never been more perfect.
LuffyFett
usernamepolice
Perfection. Holy shit
belzebubblebath
Fucking well played
KingLost
And all the free sex rather you want it or not. Choice is not yours
BikiniSamuraiBun
Whether*
ifavoritethingstoshowmywifewhenigethome
ever smelled a homeless person? no one touching them
banchao
The choice is yours*
cancerriddenlung
To be fair...if you ain't got a home you're probably gon get raped too.
Fattbeard
Prison rape is highly over exaggerated.; A lot of it depends on the prison and why you're there. Rapists and molesters are top targets.
Skazki
And you get laid
Gender mixed prisons wouldn't be a bad idea.
CoolHandTim
Oh my god. The absolute worst idea ever.
REDF0RMANSF00T
raradizzinlove
Wtf. Hahaha
hiphopbookshop
Old timers don’t get as hard of a time as fresh meat from what I’ve heard
pokepoketopa
Ha, male rape is funny
Anything is funny if you’re willing to not be offended :)
LogicalAbsurdities
And homelessness is?
TheycalllmeProphet
Yeah but a criminal record doesnt really help when getting your life back on track
kmuelle6isamom
Tell that to all the people who froze to the ground in Chicago this year
verenelda
Which is why the aim is short jail stay rather than prison/felon record. Many employers don't care about a misdemeanor/short stay.
TheBeardlyOne
I have a clean record and my life has never once been on track
thegreatwhiteblackartblackestmaster
Neither does starving to death or dieing from sickness. I'd rather have the record than those two. Just saying.
"I see on your application you were in jail, November through March, every year for the past 10 years" Yes I was staying alive.
Shows some form of initiative and resilience... Not a bad start to an interview.
"congratulations youre hired as a prison guard"
"I was homeless so before winter every year I committed a serious enough crime to be jailed for 5 months, hopefully without ruining my
future prospects, but if so being alive was worth it."
MrStrawberry209
In the US, right?
desertbeagles
so that's what happened to Emilio Estevez
parasitoid
Merica
HamDangler4TheAngleOfTheDangle
Police Officer: "You get house arrest. Now go home and die."
ftex530
Sauce
Ijustcomehereformemes
People actually do that here for free dental appointments cos it’s so expensive
Evanrudeplz
Charged with larceny (opposed to armed robbery) which carries a hefty fine and <1 year a yr in prison. Congratulations, you played yourself.
bunnyrut
This is my retirement plan.
mandragoran69
Said the same thing, but In Canada I’d have to join isis and commit a terror act to be able to retire for 5 years before they paroled me
Thesteveadin
always ask more enough money to make it a felony. ppl that go in for a dollar are often released
SimonMc
It's almost like the system is broken.
sieferswe82
To live in prison and get all kinds of luxury. Nice ey?
cinematicheart
They even have cable tv in their cells now. Half these guys probably have it better inside.
imnotlostinlifeijustdonthaveanywheretogo
TheRapistX
I think you can be happy to not get shot if you live in america.
desertbeagles
the bank was probably hackin' on him. These Young Guns sequels have gotten out of hand.
Trelkeen
America's healthcare system is a hybrid that took the worst from all systems. We'd be better off by going in either direction..personally 1/
Trelkeen
i'd prefer a free market system w/ gov oversight & regulation but even a universal system would be better than the current one.
clamdriver
Cops probably gave the bank a dollar and drove this poor sod to a shelter. One would hope.
CryingDuringFinals
Do shelters offer healthcare?
ManfredManboobs
Martin sheen hit hard times
ehoba666
Looks like he hit something with his face too
fudgycurmudgeon
I couldn’t place it so I was hoping someone commented
NoUserNameIsTaken
Modern problems? It's timeless classics -"The Cop and the Anthem", "Freddie the Freeloader", "The Pink Panther in: A Pink Christmas"
adamsonpaul5772
The USA needs to learn a lesson
Gundarian
Japan have the same problem where more elderly want to go to prison than elderly home. At least someone will take care them full time
Sabr712
Yeah, so we clearly need to spend billions on a wall and not healthcare...
TheFashion
This story is total bullshit. You know that, right? It's just another left wing propaganda piece.
stevev45
Medicare for all is estimated to be 3260 billion per year. For the wall they arguing about a one time 2-10 billion.
amglasgow
which is billions less than we're already spending on healthcare
stevev45
I don’t think thats accurate.
amglasgow
We already pay billions for healthcare through insurance premiums and directly. All the money that goes to insurance companies currently.
sieferswe82
Reminds me of the situation in Sweden. There is such good conditions in prisons here that foreigers come here and do crimes just to have the
limerind
very dumb. it'd be much nicer to get involuntarily committed at a mental hospital.
TheFashion
This story is total bullshit. You know that, right? It's just another left wing propaganda piece.
squirreltactics
I've actually heard the opposite and sometimes pleading insanity is not the best option.
limerind
that's because involuntary commitment doesn't have a fixed term attached, whereas incarceration does
amglasgow
They're largely defunded.
skylin05
From what I heat mental hospitals still aren't that great..
stevev45
Turns out taking care of cray people is hard.
buttbuttpartywagon
We really need to bring back asylums
limerind
we also need a designation unattached to mental health for people incapable of caring for themselves
buttbuttpartywagon
Yeah, assisted living does have that but of stigma to it doesnt it
limerind
more like "ward of the state." we should provide for them while acknowledging that the cost of this are certain civil rights like voting
buttbuttpartywagon
if they're only physically incapable but fully mentally capable of taking care of themselves, why take away their voting rights?
rockyourarmsoff
*$1
Frizone25
youmustbefunatparties
You must be fun at parties
rockyourarmsoff
I do tend to rock my arms off.
DonOf952
Username checks out
CaptCraazy
He's just trying to give some helpful pointers.
uglywerewolf
See I always read $1 as “dollar 1” and 1$ as “1 dollar”... it just seems backwards too me -shurgs-
farticusprime
That’s for any currency £1, €1
cobysev
You don't read the dollar sign. It's at the front to clarify what the number represents. Sucks for speaking but makes sense when reading.
Nivvi
US is backwards with a lot of things lile date month/day/year
howsplendid
Politics, racism, gun laws, ignorance, etc. etc.
UnluckyLunkhead
And its system of healthcare.
secondgoaround
Bam! There it is!
Hurro
As a Canadian I get confused on low day/months, sometimes. Did you mean July 3rd or March 7th!?!
Nathanfake
me too fellow canuck
Thesmithlord
To clarify for those of you up in the hat, We meant seven thirds.
CERES9000
America sucks balls. Shithole of a country for the average Joe. A true SHITHOLE.
Carefuler
Are you in the U.S.? Maybe you can trade places with one of the 1,000,000's trying to get in here. We won't miss you.
faspro19641337
Get out then. You sound like a lib; for sure?
Littleman88
Better a "dumb" lib than a heartless republican dumber enough still to vote against their own best interests.
thesameasyours
spoken like a true republican, "git outta my country< this country wasnt built on immigrati....oh wait.
AurikNecal
It wasn't built on immigration. It was built on conquest like any other nation. Immigrants joined the conquerors.
thesameasyours
No, the pioneers settled and built townships, before the conquest of the natives, you could argue that it was founded on conquest perhaps
TheRapistX
You know what? Not everyone in the world lives in america, yet there are so many americans which believe that everyone in the internet is.
TheRapistX
And not everyone is speaking english as there native language. I for one am a german and happy to have my nice healthcare and insurance.
skylin05
I hope you're enjoying the accepted bigotry, and lack of free healthcare and education. And for the love of god let's not get into the-
skylin05
stupid "but it's not free" argument because that's just a limited understanding.
CERES9000
I'm too rich and intelligent to live in that cesspool, it's all yours my stupid little magat or what ever you dumb fucks are called.
Dustorn
Wait now, hold up - don't lump us all in with him.
FaceAaA
You need therapy.
novokaine187
I mean, my son’s teacher had to be quit and file unemployment so she could afford healthcare for her daughter, yey Healthcare system!
DarthLabradoodle
I'm pretty sure quitting your job precludes you from receiving unemployment, but cool story.
novokaine187
Well it doesn’t. Since that was her situation lol. It’s not really a cool story either but yeap
faspro19641337
Go live in a socialist country then, please.
novokaine187
I mean it’s just the state of things here atm, better to try and improve, please.
ThailandExpress
go live in a communist country then, where you wont have to lie about loving Jesus to be in the Republican party
faspro19641337
Jesus never did say free healthcare for all. Did he? Oh, I think you should live in a communist country where everything is free...
ThailandExpress
ThailandExpress
ThailandExpress
also from directly from the bible
read and heed or risk your immortal soul over politics
ThailandExpress
rando84
Nah, I think we'll just change this one instead.
amglasgow
So any country that provides healthcare to the kids of teachers is socialist?
faspro19641337
I think that in the United States, people take it for granted how good their lives are, and therefore they complain. Assistance is provided.
faspro19641337
Assistance is provided for all who seek it. God says, ask and you shall receive.
amglasgow
Pretty damn sure this lady asked for help and was told she made too much money.
amglasgow
People who can't afford health insurance for their sick kid do not have it good.
faspro19641337
Assistance is provided for all who seek it. God says, ask and you shall receive.
MattDude
It's so sad that this is the state of US health care. And when we ask for Medicare for all, we get "HOW arE yOu GOinG tO paY fOr It?"
TheFashion
This story is total bullshit. You know that, right? It's just another left wing propaganda piece.
mcneelyj
We can't even pay to use the health insurance "coverage" we pay for because it costs too much. Can't win without single payer.
SuperbBackhand
No matter the sector, that should be asked, I realize it's usually used by hypocrites, but it's a valid question
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SuperbBackhand
I wasn't making the case either way, I'm just saying the question has validity (and should be asked about the military). Thanks though!
bluesandwhich
In canada I make ~$65k/yr and had about $9k taken off my taxes for 2018. Also pay 5% tax on most purchases. Not a huge amount (1/2)
bluesandwhich
Considering that covers everything from healthcare, education, infrastructure, etc. There's also extra tax on gas, electricity but isn'tmuch
faspro19641337
Yeah, is it so hard for you libtards to understand basic monetary transactions?
thesameasyours
we can cut all them free loading socialist farmer subsidies, that'll teach em to be so socialist
YourLocalPleb
This is where the US really needs to look at us Aussies when it comes to public healthcare, we have Medicare, and it works.
SomeMayCallMeTimmmmm
Problem is our political system is too jacked up to implement an effective system...
vielleicht
...and like the rest of the western world
faspro19641337
Yeah, Australia rocks, lol.
enheru
Not only that, but Australian system is cheaper than the one the US currently has.If we just adopted how the Aussies do it we'll save money.
delpharseven
Everyone's system cheaper than the US. https://imgur.com/InWHUz9
CosmoTripper
Just have a look at European countries. We have healthcare and we pay it with our taxes. Thanks to this, I know several people who 1/2
YourLocalPleb
In Aus we actually get penalised with a higher Medicare tax if we don't have private health insurance because of crowded hospitals.
CosmoTripper
got free of cancer without having to pay no additional fees. 2/2
orionlpax
yeah, how dare people question whose going to pay for hundreds of billions in medical costs!
cdhpineapple
It would literally be less expensive than the garbage we already pay record high costs for. But ok stay in your bubble
NeverTrustAWombat
You realise that every other developed country has a national healthcare system right? US alone does not, and it's fucked as a result.
hakunamatatas
That's not why it is fucked, hell, the US government pays more per capita on heathcare than nationalized systems.
NeverTrustAWombat
But a nationalised system provides affordable healthcare to all, us has very little of that
hakunamatatas
It also has the vast majority of new drugs and the like (even though the FDA is a piece of shit). We're basically subsidizing everyone.
orionlpax
meanwhile democrats quibble over 6 billion for border security
TheDonutMan
When the majority of illegals came here on legal visas and have been here for 5+ years.. Yes, its something to quibble over. The border isn'
TheDonutMan
t even how they got here so whats the point. Can you please tell me I'm missing something?
cakeisprettygood
Does anyone have that tweet about the dude saying his wife complains about him buying a sword when she buys groceries
prestidigination
Wall <> Security. Wall = Vanity Project. When you understand that, you can sit at the adult table.
faspro19641337
More like trillions. 93 trillion.
delpharseven
Troll. US healthcare spending is ~$3T. Switching to a modern system would lower costs.
faspro19641337
Ok, so what's the plan? Free for everyone? I'm an average wage earner who likes his coverage. I don't like government handouts.
delpharseven
Think of it as insurance that everyone pays into with taxes and the insurer is non-profit. No deductible.
valen00
We are going to pay half as much for it as we do now, you should be asking "what are you going to do with the extra money"?
stevev45
well currently it's a mix of individual, company, gov. so if it switches to all gov it's valid to ask how the gov is going to cover the dif.
delpharseven
Per capita, Americans pay more in *taxes* for healthcare than Canadians (PPP adjusted of course). Taxes would not have to go up.
stevev45
If what? Hospitals suddenly charged what they do in Canada, and everyone suddenly worked for what they do in Canada?
delpharseven
It would be phased in, but yes. Also a lot of profitable insurance companies would take a haircut.
valen00
by slightly raising taxes, by an amount that would presumably be half of existing insurance payments
stevev45
Raising taxes on who? How much is slight? I think the first estimate was like 3.2 trillion per year.
valen00
Well how about you think about it for a second and look at the rest of the first world and see how they pay half as much and do that?
delpharseven
No tax increase needed. Blue ~= taxes, red = private insurance: https://imgur.com/InWHUz9
valen00
well there ya go
n0n53n53
what makes you think the government would run it more efficiently than private sector. You cas have it gov't run but it won't be cheap
rando84
The example of every other developed country in the world suggests otherwise.
valen00
literally almost every other first world nation?
n0n53n53
so you're proposing that a small 1st world nation should take over the huge, poorly run US Gov't or are you hoping that somehow our shitty+
n0n53n53
+government will somehow suddenly change how's it's being run?
valen00
I was suggesting that out of 49 first world nations with public healthcare the average cost is half of what the US presently pays.
flarflarf
America has so successfully marginalized the very poor that it's basically the same as being criminal.
thunderheat569
Honestly, I think it’s more marginalized the mentally ill/substance addicted. Admittedly, much overlap to the very poor...
NinjaCongo
Or, according to the guy in the post, worse.
SlightlyDodgy
Actually they have practically made being poor a crime
JustTakeItAtFaceValue
Correction: It makes being a criminal look, sound, and usually end up being better
Phlynch
No, we've so successfully incentivised staying poor that people would rather go to prison than look for a job.
SlightlyDodgy
Poor isn't a choice. It's an institutionally exponentially sliding scale designed to keep you poor, in debt because banks don't get rich 1/2
SlightlyDodgy
2/2 from well off people. The rich done ask for expensive loans, they just don't need them. They don't ask for credit like the poor do.
DJR0umba
you heard "this man would rather be in prison than on the streets" and thought "lazy bastard"? damn lol
youknowthatonepersonwiththeface
Hows that paint can fumes treating ya bud?
NinjaCongo
Also, that trickle down economy's gonna kick in any day now.
flarflarf
long term homeless people are typically addicts or insane, neither of which will we help them with unless they're in prison or insured.
flarflarf
the idea that people want to be homeless and really love sleeping on cold concrete in the rain would be laughable if it wasn't so cruel.
soccerStyleKickerClassOF76
Incentivised? This is a person who has never seen how the absolute poorest among us live.. they truly believe that the poor actual enjoy it.
CAntthenuclearapocalypsecomesoicanjustdiealready
That cause middle and upper class Americans have this toxic ayn randian concept that poverty is a moral failure
SpyofBlock
when you haven't read ayn rand but somebody told you about her so you just go off that
CAntthenuclearapocalypsecomesoicanjustdiealready
While I haven't read atlas shrugged but I was forced to read her garbage book anthem in highschool. She is an awful writer
cpnbeeb
B-b-b-but muh trickle down economics, just pull yourselves up by your bootstraps anyone can do it
priorititties
I fucking hate ayn rand
CAntthenuclearapocalypsecomesoicanjustdiealready
Only selfish dipshits do like her
Raiderbeater
Let me guess.....Bernie! Bernie! Bernie! Lol
CAntthenuclearapocalypsecomesoicanjustdiealready
While I did vote for Bernie I actually care about my fellow human beings and I'm not a heartless greedy sociopath like Rand
PorpoiseDriven
You should do something to help the impoverished.
CAntthenuclearapocalypsecomesoicanjustdiealready
I teach at a low income highschool I already do
PorpoiseDriven
are you middle class?
CAntthenuclearapocalypsecomesoicanjustdiealready
Lower middle/high lower class
PorpoiseDriven
also thank you!
kevinallover
The irony is that money solves poverty and homes solve homelessness.
flarflarf
I mean you're right yeah but i feel like this isn't really irony tho
SqueezitTheClown
The irony is that poverty is caused by lack of money and homelessness is caused by lack of housing.
FarkasMacTavish
Lack of housing is caused by lack of money. Lack of money is caused by mental illness OR no marketable skills OR laziness.
QueenCousland
A whole five comments into the comment chain before one of them emerged, that's better than usual.
DamnYouMongorians
Or runaway market inflation and stagnant wages or a massive influx of high wage workers or a high cost of living due to living in an island.
CAntthenuclearapocalypsecomesoicanjustdiealready
Started out good but then you turned into a total ranDroid at the end
flarflarf
yep
DocWino
I’m sure poor people in your country are treated like kings. Live it before you judge.
flarflarf
My country is America. I've been poor here, thanks, and I know poor people in what you'd call a third world country.
CypherSteak
Is your name Susan and a Mom of 3? You sound like a Susan, Mom of 3.
DocWino
No. I’m a nurse in the US. I work for a company that provides mental health and housing services to the homeless. What now Felicia?
shorey66
She cant hear you. She's talking to the manager
jery007
Ugh, no prison is better than poverty
shorey66
Depends on the level of poverty bro
flarflarf
that's an easy thing to say when you haven't slept on concrete in the rain for a week
Fushelama
Have you ever been stabbed for being a certain race homeless?
flarflarf
me personally? no. but if you're trying to imply that the homeless aren't victims of violence on the regular then I have some bad news.
flarflarf
I mean i don't know, I've never been in prison or been long term homeless so idk but that's not a statement I'd make.
jery007
I screwed up my comma. I meant, prison seems better than poverty
flarflarf
oh, hahaha
GhostOTM
America has this problems, do doubt, but I have never found any evidence that it is worse in America then anywhere else in the world.
ProgeriaProstitutes
No, there aren't that many homeless here, but they are still marginalised.
HiddenSanity
No, the poor are poorer in the USA than most of the other developed world, Gigantic wealth gap.
NinjaCongo
Says guy that's never been outside America.
FreekyMage
Is this your first day on the internet?
skylin05
Lack of socialized healthcare and education to just name 2 for lack of more characters.
flarflarf
effective public transit and public housing to name 2 more
ApeTitfor600
I have lived in 4 countries and visited many others. America is not the worst. Plus people forget Medicaid if under the poverty line...free
gurimalla47
Scandinavia?
prestidigination
That's a low bar considering we are the nation with the highest GDP in the world.
TrapsAreIllegal
Apparently you don't read any social reports from anywhere else in the world.
SaturnineCult
Here in north europe we don't leave people homeless freezing. You get shitty apartment and government pays your rent if you're unfortunate.
SaturnineCult
Also, you get healthcare if you need. I don't see any other way that homeless person has even chance to be part of the society again.
rando84
What kind of thorough investigation have you conducted into the subject? I lived in Europe as an American and found plenty of evidence.
flarflarf
being dirt poor in america is orders of magnitude worse than being dirt-poor in most of the developed world, mostly because of health care.
flarflarf
being poor will always suck, but it's much worse in countries without socialized health care and public housing.
youknowthatonepersonwiththeface
I got bit by a copperhead, cost me a chunk of change. My friend in Taiwan broke his leg, got an ambukance ride and care, cost him $55 usd
GhostOTM
Fair points. I didn't think of that.
TATERx
I can't speak for everywhere in America but I live in a rural area in Georgia and I know of 3 places with in 30 minute drive that
TATERx
have income based healthcare. If your poor and no household income its "free" If you have house hold income for example a wife it
flarflarf
the situation is better in rural areas, but those places do not have infinitely deep pockets and typically wont deal w/ mental health issues
TATERx
they will increase it a bit. I paid $20 to see the doctor for bloodwork, shots and see the doctor sense I had to move in with my mom again.
ltmccarthy942
In terms of having literally 0 money. Sure. But being generally poor as in earning min. Wage is magnitudes better than most of the world
MultiplePersonalitiesProfile
Is that the bar Americans look up for?
flarflarf
I don't actually think this is true. I'm sure American poor have cheaper TVs or whatever but I dont think that's important.
ltmccarthy942
Most poor people in America still have a bathroom, soap, a shower, a toilet, food, like these are things that many people don’t have
flarflarf
I know dirt poor people in Malaysia and yeah life is hard but no one lives in fear that they'll get sick and not be able to afford treatment
flarflarf
socialized health care and public housing and decent public transportation make all the difference. Most parts of America have none of those
hakunamatatas
Anyone can go to emergency rooms and get medical care and just never pay your bill. In fact, many are defacto homeless shelters.
flarflarf
Try going to an emergency room and getting treatment for your cancer.
rando84
You can slowly die of a chronic condition (ER visits & EMTALA reqs have their limits) or lose your savings/house to cover the bills.
flarflarf
more than that. You will drag your entire family into bankruptcy trying to keep you alive.
LiteralFish
If the bill is high they will take you to court and garnish your wages. Making it even harder to escape homelessness
hakunamatatas
I'm not saying it is a great option, just stating facts.
neborno
0 - 100000000 still = 0
johnnydarkside
If you're literally homeless, prison doesn't sound so bad. 3 hots and a cot indoors is better than freezing on the streets.
MrBubblehead
As some who owns a house and works 45 hours a week. 3 squares a day doesnt sound half bad.
VresiBerba
I take it you've never been homeless.
UselessAnon
A lot of people will come to an ER saying that they are suicidal to get hospitalized for that reason.
XANDERtheGR856
Is work at mcds and even tho our lobby is closed I’ll let our regular homeless people stay in overnight if it’s cold out.
Boondangle40
You gone get fired
Boondangle40
When Ronald finds out about this. I think he used to teach kick em in the nuts
TRDiscordian
If you mean 3 hot meals a day, (at least in my country) you don't get 3 hot meals a day. You get 2, and one cold one.
SelfTransformingMachineElf
Omg that gave me the most awful flashbacks. These people saying prison is good have no clue. At all.
thejuanrodriguez
And all the rape you can handle
bunhilda
Had a paranoid schizophrenic relative end up in prison. Turned out to be how he got better--routine medical treatment & therapy
bunhilda
Hospitals can rarely keep the mentally ill for as long as the person should be in constant care. Meds take weeks to kick in & paranoid 1/2
bunhilda
schizophrenics (as one example) tend to run away & stop taking meds if there isn't someone they trust to remind them why meds matter
portraitsforfriends
3 hots. Hahahah that’s like singles in my area right?
Ididntcomehereforthis
A) There's a classic short story about this somewhere b) learned this is very true the one time I was arrested.
BoooBerry
And there's free clinics. This story is bogus.
MyGFMightLikeTitsMoreThanIDo
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/jun/21/verone-one-dollar-robbery-healthcare
BoooBerry
I'm saying that either 1) the intention is being misrepresented, or 2) the guy is a complete moron.
Antermosiph
Not everywhere has free clinics. And if homeless you might not have transportation as not everywhere has transport. Rural areas especially.
Traliard
Yeah, I mean jail rape is just something parents invented to scare homeless people
MoreAshyThanLarry
As long as you don't mind getting beaten and raped prison seems great.
thorismymaster
Would get the same living on the streets, without the bed and food! Prison would be much nicer.
Boondangle40
You've never been to prison stfu
Boondangle40
I've been in both situations. There truly is something about freedom that can't be undervalued
thorismymaster
Don't need to be rude. What you found better doesn't make it the same for everyone. I know a lot of people who were helped by prison.
onetimeisawbobsagetnaked
What fun, this whole comment thread is just ppl who've never been to shelter or prison comparing the 2
UselessAnon
Shelters around here are full and have 30 day in 30 day out policies. Some make you do a urine test and if youre positive they refuse you.
genericanamoly
Been to both. Prisons happen to make millions, where as the homeless don’t make squat. A person can even get a job in prison too.
epicfail331
Being homeless, the wonderful irony is being told to get a job, yet no one wants to hire a homeless person. At least I couldn't find one.
GlebReawer
Should society be set up in such a way that homeless ppl rather go to prison than shelters made for them?
stevev45
If that were true I think shelters would be less crowded.
Bandana7Jack
No. There are many reasons not to go to one but the other. It depends on factors unique to each person.
JesusLover
Okay then what do you have to say since you’re bitching?
loolapaloola
True on one hand. But on the other you lose your freedom. And I know how that is, so I would say it still sounds pretty shit.
WhatzitTooya
Sometimes all your options are shit. The deeper you are in shit the more often that happens.
AccountCreatedToUpdogVotes
When every day revolves around finding enough food/water/warmth to stay alive, that doesn't sound particularly free either.
loolapaloola
I mean I don't know how it is to be in this situation, u probably neither. But I know how it is to be locked in a cell for 22 hours a day.
GlebReawer
Some of the homeless know both and apparently choose prison over shelters. I think that's fucked up.
loolapaloola
Right, some do, not all and not most of them.
Applepotamus
batukhan
Not just America though, pretty much everywhere
gtsr
Not really, most developed (and some undeveloped) have single payer health care
Applepotamus
RealEnglishRage
A comment chain of perfection has never been more perfect.
LuffyFett
usernamepolice
Perfection. Holy shit
belzebubblebath
Fucking well played
KingLost
And all the free sex rather you want it or not. Choice is not yours
BikiniSamuraiBun
Whether*
ifavoritethingstoshowmywifewhenigethome
ever smelled a homeless person? no one touching them
banchao
The choice is yours*
cancerriddenlung
To be fair...if you ain't got a home you're probably gon get raped too.
Fattbeard
Prison rape is highly over exaggerated.; A lot of it depends on the prison and why you're there. Rapists and molesters are top targets.
Skazki
And you get laid
gtsr
Gender mixed prisons wouldn't be a bad idea.
CoolHandTim
Oh my god. The absolute worst idea ever.
REDF0RMANSF00T
raradizzinlove
Wtf. Hahaha
hiphopbookshop
Old timers don’t get as hard of a time as fresh meat from what I’ve heard
pokepoketopa
Ha, male rape is funny
Skazki
Anything is funny if you’re willing to not be offended :)
LogicalAbsurdities
And homelessness is?
TheycalllmeProphet
Yeah but a criminal record doesnt really help when getting your life back on track
kmuelle6isamom
Tell that to all the people who froze to the ground in Chicago this year
verenelda
Which is why the aim is short jail stay rather than prison/felon record. Many employers don't care about a misdemeanor/short stay.
TheBeardlyOne
I have a clean record and my life has never once been on track
thegreatwhiteblackartblackestmaster
Neither does starving to death or dieing from sickness. I'd rather have the record than those two. Just saying.
thesameasyours
"I see on your application you were in jail, November through March, every year for the past 10 years" Yes I was staying alive.
BikiniSamuraiBun
Shows some form of initiative and resilience... Not a bad start to an interview.
thesameasyours
"congratulations youre hired as a prison guard"
AccountCreatedToUpdogVotes
"I was homeless so before winter every year I committed a serious enough crime to be jailed for 5 months, hopefully without ruining my
AccountCreatedToUpdogVotes
future prospects, but if so being alive was worth it."