Super Sexes – Medical Midweek #3

Jul 4, 2020 10:13 PM

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1A) Jacobs Syndrome –> 47,XYY
Jacobs is the presence of an extra Y-chromosome in males. It is a fairly common occurrence, being present in approximately 1 of every 1000 male births. Most people with XYY do not show symptoms at all, or very mild symptoms, and are entirely unaware of their extra chromosome. Some males reading this today probably have it, and have no clue. Do YOU?

Supermales may be taller than average in stature and have more acne than average. Learning disabilities and difficulty socializing may be present in some individuals, though average IQs are not reduced relative to those of the general population. It is thought that only 15-20% of supermales are ever diagnosed.

This extra chromosome is the result of nondisjunction occurring during the production of the sperm cell that fertilized the ovum during conception.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XYY_syndrome

2A) Trisomy X –> 47,XXX
Trisomy X is the presence of a extra X-chromosome in females. As with XYY in males, XXX is common, being present in approximately 1 of every 1000 female births. Most people with XXX do not show symptoms at all and are entirely unaware of their trisomy-X; only an estimated 10% of cases are ever diagnosed. XXX in females acts somewhat similarly to XYY in males.

This extra chromosome can be from either parent, with nondisjunction occurring during either the process of sperm or ovum development.

Physical symptoms that may be present include sharp pinkie curvature (clinodactyly, as above), skin folds along the medial side of the eyes (near the bridge of the nose), widely-spaced eyes, and tall stature. In very few cases, disability may be present, such as delayed motor development, weak muscle tone, and seizures. XXX also increases risk for autism, language delays, ADHD, poor self-esteem, anxiety and depression – however, keep in mind that even in the trisomy-X population, most people don't have any of these symptoms, or only have very mild symptoms.

I bet some of you ladies reading this have this condition, whether you know it or not. (Hell, I've somewhat suspected I have it, myself, since learning of it a few years ago, due to my psychological/behavioural phenotype.)

https://studylib.net/doc/8750652/triple-x-syndrome-trisomy-x-ftnw
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_X_syndrome

2B) Tetrasomy X –> 48,XXXX
Tetrasomy X is the presence of two extra X-chromosome in females. It is far rarer than trisomy X, with just over 100 diagnoses since it's discovery in 1961. Symptoms are similar to those that may be present in someone with trisomy X, but are more common and have the potential to be more severe – especially in terms of cognitive disability.

Extra Xs are received from both parents, with non-disjunction occurring in both the sperm and the ovum development.

https://www.yumpu.com/en/document/read/25669191/tetra-x-ftnwpub-unique-the-rare-chromosome-disorder-
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetrasomy_X

2C) Pentasomy X –> 49,XXXXX
Pentasomy X is the presence of – you guessed it! – THREE extra Xs! It is very rare, with only ~40 reported cases since its discovery in 1963.

For the most part, symptoms are similar in nature to those that may be found in XXX and XXXX, but with increased permeance/expressivity and severity. However, some symptoms are the opposite – such as having short stature and especially short necks, as opposed to being long and lanky as someone with trisomy X might be. Cognitive deficits tend to be quite severe.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentasomy_X

XXXXX likely occurs as the result of serial nondisjunction during the formation of the mother's gametes.

Notice the extremely wide-set eyes and epicanthal folds next to her eyes (medially) – as well as the broad, flat bride to her nose.

Wide-set eyes, again, as well as low-set ears. XXX and XXXX do not seem to really have a visibly abnormal phenotype to show you, but once we get to XXXXX, I can point out a few odd characteristics in these photos.

Dog tax!
I hope you enjoyed this post, and learned something good! People seemed to like the first medical-ish post I made, and I thought I'd keep going with it.

The first one was very popular: https://imgur.com/gallery/QOh6heC
The second one, not so much. If you're interested, here it is, anyway: https://imgur.com/gallery/O6a5mXk

Super males get bigger bodies, super females get odd faces. Even our genetics are sexist!

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

There’s also XO - Turner Syndrome and XXY - Klinefelter Syndrome that I know of.

5 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Do fragile x please

5 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

I got two bendt pinkies do i have it?

5 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

What, no XXY? Pfffft. Everyone always forgets about us.

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I didn't forget about you, Kliney. ♡ That and XO are being saved for another post.

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

As someone with Turner's Syndrome, I'mma need some of these folks to stop hoarding all the x chromosomes.

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I wrote about 13, 18 and 21 in my thesis and I found your post to be very interesting and relevant! Keep ‘em coming! ?

5 years ago | Likes 138 Dislikes 1

I recently learned about 18 because of some findings on my ultrasounds. Would love to see more information and awareness out there.

5 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

You should cite this imgur post when you write the sequel.

5 years ago | Likes 17 Dislikes 0

I'm going to hell for this, but it seems relevant...

5 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

I teach this every year in my high school biology classes and it's always a favorite topic for me and my students!

5 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

the first one sounds similar to fragile x

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

But: If I go crazy, then will you still call me supermale?

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If I'm alive and well, will you be there and holding my pinky bent hand?

5 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

I'll keep you by my side with my superhuman height - Karyotype

5 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Also XXY should be fairly common and I suppose there should be more rare combinations between the 2 as well

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An old medical book wrote that about one in 500 people have Kleinfelter's (XXY)

5 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

@OP why don't klinefelter's people have barr bodies

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

They do, Barr bodies were even used to diagnose the condition at one point https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klinefelter_syndrome?wprov=sfla1

5 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

oh yeah... Great!, thanks! -- now that I think about it, I would definitely use barr bodies as a diagnostic tool for men's karyotypes, yes

5 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

MRW seeing barr bodies in a man's karyotype: "Holy shit, Bro, you got barr bodies all up in your nucleus; where they done came from?!?!"

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Two of my three miscarriages were triploidy, meaning they didn’t just have one extra chromosome, they had an entire extra SET of chromosomes

5 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

I’m 6’6 with ADHD and had bad acne until I took accutane. Never heard about the first syndrome. Very Informative, thanks!

5 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Thanks. More please.

5 years ago | Likes 20 Dislikes 0

I have a daughter with Turner's. This medical stuff has always been super interesting to me.

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

So can doctors find this out before a baby is born, or is it only after that they test and discover the extra chromosomes?

5 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

amniocentesis will find this out because you can take cells from the embryo and do a karyotype before birth

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It depends! Some people it’s pretty obvious due to symptoms. Other times, people go their entire lives without know their intersex. There

5 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Was a case of an 80-year-old man father of 4 who had a fully-functional uterus

5 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

It's a little more complicated, some parents know they have some of these abnormalities and with that the doctor can recommend some genetic-

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screening test. There are some diagnostic tools that can be used too that you take some of the fetus placenta or other structures-

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in the womb of the mother.

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So interesting!

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Our daughter has trisomy (47)xxx. We had amniocentesis done

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How's she doing? Keeping up with her peers okay?

5 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Yes she excels but has some speech issues

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Another example of why sex/gender is way more complicated then people think.

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

God i love learning about chromosome differences... Thank you for this post and this information @OP!

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I have enjoyed all 3 posts, ty. Very interesting stuff there.

5 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

"Supermale" and "Superfemale" seem like some off-brand superheroes designed around justifying some absolutely galaxy brained political takes

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I find it super weird that polysomy of these chromosomes would be linke to learning disabilities. Shows how much I know.

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

You should do one on the Philadelphia Chromosome, its pretty crazy and has a "cure".

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I can't wait for CRISPR to be at a clinical level, treat genetic conditions before an embryo fully forms. Lot of pre-testing beforehand.

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Social scientists might have a few pointers, but they suffer from four major problems 1) lack of credibility compared to 'hard' sciences

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2) advice often opposed to vested interests of a) traditional social orders b) economic interests 3) consequent lack of funding 4) the

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social sciences are comparatively undeveloped

5 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

I agree, another major issue is that social science is so context specific that it can't be generalized easily to large scale solutions

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Dunno shit about my chromosomes but I'm high-function autistic, a supertaster, have fantastic night vision, Morton's Toe, used to be smart/

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

as hell before a high fever took that from me, enjoyed anxiety and depression my whole life but I'm betting that's more about Mommy Dearest.

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

what do you feel when you eat? is it just strong flavors or something else? for me the strongest is probably smell 1/?

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

but most senses are in a slight overdrive at all times. I'm in the same boat with HFA. 2/2

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

My aunt had a baby boy with trisomy 18. He only lived an hour or so after birth :(

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Sorry for your family’s loss.

5 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

So you're telling me that sex is more biologically complicated than my highschool-dropout aunt claims in her facebook posts?

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Nope. Extra chromosomes don’t determine sex.

5 years ago | Likes 17 Dislikes 34

Chromosomal mutations don't change sex but it is more complicated in other ways. Some individuals born as intersex it is really interesting

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Yes, but don't conflate intersex with transgender.

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I have an intersex friend, she dislikes the spotlight on trans. Intersex is mental, genetic and physical yet is ignored or treated equally.

5 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

I was under the impression that some intersex correction surgeries result in transgenderism later in life. If that’s so, the topics aren’t1/

5 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

completely unrelated. 2/2

5 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

I can’t think of anybody who’s ever done this... not sure why you would say this... there are trans intersex people tho?

5 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 4

It's almost like things can happen without you having experienced them.

5 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 1

It's obviously caused at least some concern: https://isna.org/faq/transgender/

5 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

"I can't think of anybody who's ever done this" Never underestimate people's potential for stupidity.

5 years ago | Likes 17 Dislikes 1

I’m sure there are, but I’m not sure the point you’re trying to make... I hope you’re not invalidating trans people

5 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 3

I'm not, sorry, I realize how that could've been misread now! I meant don't underestimate the fact that there are people stupid/ignorant 1/

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XX-Male Syndrome = They have XX Chromosomes yet are otherwise physically male. No identity politics, they are true-to-God males.

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Unless their brains aren't male... Then it's even more complicated

5 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

genetics are weird, and don't follow rules as strictly as we may think. Why we shouldn't follow rules as strictly either imo.

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Genetics follows rules very very strictly. We're the dumbies for thinking that we've figured out all the rules.

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

There's a similar one with XY. Well except they have testes where their ovaries would be

5 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

Yup, when the SRY gene that the Y Chromosome is famous for gets crossed over onto an X, no abnormalities and XX-Males may even eventually-->

5 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

-supplant the Y chromosome in a few thousand generations or so given the reduced rate of hemophilia, colour-blindness, etc.

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SRY-positive make up ~90% of XX-Males, however the other ~10% are SRY-negative. They gain this oddity via other mutations.

5 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I think those are hermaphrodites, which are a completely different thing from trans folks.

5 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 9

hermaphrodites have BOTH reproductive organs (or parts thereof), an XX-Male only has male bits. Thus they are not hermaphrodites, nor trans.

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~90% of the time it is due to a translocation of the SRY-gene from Y to X chromosome. the other 10% due to mutations and combinations.

5 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

It is a complicated topic. And reducing it down to "hermaphrodites and Trans folk" is FACTUALLY INCORRECT.

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

just FYI I believe they prefer to be referred to as 'intersex' these days

5 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 1

Isn't herm[...] the medical term?

5 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 2

it used to be, but these days in medicine they generally say someone is either 'intersex' or has a 'disorder of sexual development'

5 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Intersex is a broad term. Hermaphrodite is a specific term. 'disorder of sexual development' is a difft term that may not apply to either

5 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

"Hermaphrodite" also specifically refers to someone possessing both male and female genitalia, not everyone who is intersex would qualify

5 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Plus the word has some negative social connotations, and is more associated with animals. Intersex is a word specific to humans.

5 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

Oh, thank god, I thought you were gonna pull the ol there is more than two genders thing on us

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Wow. What an asshole.

5 years ago | Likes 13 Dislikes 6

Yes, yeah you are

5 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 13

sex =/= gender, mah dude

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Gender is independent of what is in your pants

5 years ago | Likes 25 Dislikes 3

Lol whoa its crazy to see how imgur has shifted on users. Before, your comment would have never been downvoted. Interesting!

5 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 1

I mean I'm atleast.glad it would turn into a 50-50 conversation honestly

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 8

Civilizations throughout pretty much all of recorded history have recognized more than two gender roles but go on

5 years ago | Likes 18 Dislikes 6

Upon conversation with two others who are your side please prove it to me.

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 12

Maybe take responsibility for your own education? Do some research so you can also specific questions rather than demanded to be spoon fed.1

5 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

This stuff has been studied and discussed at length. It’s not at all hard to find information. 2/2

5 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

Why? Is google too hard? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_gender

5 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 2

Google.is completely retarded. I will look at your link, but later in the day, Google is currently run by a social justice warrior so -

5 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 9

Literally they'll put out in a search engine whatever the fuck they want to our out. But again once it's later in the day I will more i

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 8

There is more then 2 genders though.

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Or there are no distinct genders and it is a spectrum .. kinda thing ... depending on how you look at it

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Bimodal meaning there are 2 extremes, male and female, and everything else in between including non binary.

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An interesting thought: can we extend aspects of color to this debate? Light has a wide spectrum of possible frequencies, and it would be

5 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

nonsensical to ask how many frequencies there are. BUT it wouldn't be nonsensical to ask how many COLORS there are. That's because we've

5 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

chosen certain bands of color and chosen to identify them all as being some form of "red" or "blue" or whatever. So we can say "there are

5 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Only if you count hermathodites which is an actual gender mutation in terms of actual biology

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sex =/= gender, mah "actual biology" dude

5 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 1

Thats sex. Sex is your biology and gender is how you express yourself. I.e a women with male genitles is a women by gender and a man by sex.

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And even sex is not just two, as there are way more indicators of sex than simple chromosome distinction.

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I don't know much about this, but the way you describe gender, doesn't it mean that every person has their own gender? We all expr. our way.

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Sure. So i have what i perceive to be manly traits, society also sees me as a man. Theres a gap between those two but i label myself male

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Question: What purpose do these categories of self expression serve, and how are they defined?

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They serve to bridge the gap between who you were born as and how you see yourself. It provides you with the social interaction 1/2

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This only explains what people think, and not why they think it. It seems to just describe some history of thinking without providing

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the justification for why it is so, how can someone's opinions be shifted by such a text?

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