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1A) Jacobs Syndrome –> 47,XYY
Jacobs is the presence of an extra Y-chromosome in males. It is a fairly common occurrence, being present in approximately 1 of every 1000 male births. Most people with XYY do not show symptoms at all, or very mild symptoms, and are entirely unaware of their extra chromosome. Some males reading this today probably have it, and have no clue. Do YOU?
Supermales may be taller than average in stature and have more acne than average. Learning disabilities and difficulty socializing may be present in some individuals, though average IQs are not reduced relative to those of the general population. It is thought that only 15-20% of supermales are ever diagnosed.
This extra chromosome is the result of nondisjunction occurring during the production of the sperm cell that fertilized the ovum during conception.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XYY_syndrome
2A) Trisomy X –> 47,XXX
Trisomy X is the presence of a extra X-chromosome in females. As with XYY in males, XXX is common, being present in approximately 1 of every 1000 female births. Most people with XXX do not show symptoms at all and are entirely unaware of their trisomy-X; only an estimated 10% of cases are ever diagnosed. XXX in females acts somewhat similarly to XYY in males.
This extra chromosome can be from either parent, with nondisjunction occurring during either the process of sperm or ovum development.
Physical symptoms that may be present include sharp pinkie curvature (clinodactyly, as above), skin folds along the medial side of the eyes (near the bridge of the nose), widely-spaced eyes, and tall stature. In very few cases, disability may be present, such as delayed motor development, weak muscle tone, and seizures. XXX also increases risk for autism, language delays, ADHD, poor self-esteem, anxiety and depression – however, keep in mind that even in the trisomy-X population, most people don't have any of these symptoms, or only have very mild symptoms.
I bet some of you ladies reading this have this condition, whether you know it or not. (Hell, I've somewhat suspected I have it, myself, since learning of it a few years ago, due to my psychological/behavioural phenotype.)
https://studylib.net/doc/8750652/triple-x-syndrome-trisomy-x-ftnw
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_X_syndrome
2B) Tetrasomy X –> 48,XXXX
Tetrasomy X is the presence of two extra X-chromosome in females. It is far rarer than trisomy X, with just over 100 diagnoses since it's discovery in 1961. Symptoms are similar to those that may be present in someone with trisomy X, but are more common and have the potential to be more severe – especially in terms of cognitive disability.
Extra Xs are received from both parents, with non-disjunction occurring in both the sperm and the ovum development.
https://www.yumpu.com/en/document/read/25669191/tetra-x-ftnwpub-unique-the-rare-chromosome-disorder-
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetrasomy_X
2C) Pentasomy X –> 49,XXXXX
Pentasomy X is the presence of – you guessed it! – THREE extra Xs! It is very rare, with only ~40 reported cases since its discovery in 1963.
For the most part, symptoms are similar in nature to those that may be found in XXX and XXXX, but with increased permeance/expressivity and severity. However, some symptoms are the opposite – such as having short stature and especially short necks, as opposed to being long and lanky as someone with trisomy X might be. Cognitive deficits tend to be quite severe.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentasomy_X
XXXXX likely occurs as the result of serial nondisjunction during the formation of the mother's gametes.
Notice the extremely wide-set eyes and epicanthal folds next to her eyes (medially) – as well as the broad, flat bride to her nose.
Wide-set eyes, again, as well as low-set ears. XXX and XXXX do not seem to really have a visibly abnormal phenotype to show you, but once we get to XXXXX, I can point out a few odd characteristics in these photos.
Dog tax!
I hope you enjoyed this post, and learned something good! People seemed to like the first medical-ish post I made, and I thought I'd keep going with it.
The first one was very popular: https://imgur.com/gallery/QOh6heC
The second one, not so much. If you're interested, here it is, anyway: https://imgur.com/gallery/O6a5mXk
Dracology
Super males get bigger bodies, super females get odd faces. Even our genetics are sexist!
sisuandserenity
There’s also XO - Turner Syndrome and XXY - Klinefelter Syndrome that I know of.
creechville
Do fragile x please
onkael
I got two bendt pinkies do i have it?
Rabbit327
What, no XXY? Pfffft. Everyone always forgets about us.
MarredWoodWithNails
I didn't forget about you, Kliney. ♡ That and XO are being saved for another post.
wandergirl
As someone with Turner's Syndrome, I'mma need some of these folks to stop hoarding all the x chromosomes.
AleekaHawke
I wrote about 13, 18 and 21 in my thesis and I found your post to be very interesting and relevant! Keep ‘em coming! ?
Avimimus
I recently learned about 18 because of some findings on my ultrasounds. Would love to see more information and awareness out there.
DrFunkinstein
You should cite this imgur post when you write the sequel.
cbale2000
I'm going to hell for this, but it seems relevant...
coldpopcorn
I teach this every year in my high school biology classes and it's always a favorite topic for me and my students!
zerogenix
the first one sounds similar to fragile x
usernamethatsstillavailable
But: If I go crazy, then will you still call me supermale?
VogonSupermodel
If I'm alive and well, will you be there and holding my pinky bent hand?
usernamethatsstillavailable
I'll keep you by my side with my superhuman height - Karyotype
Silas007
Also XXY should be fairly common and I suppose there should be more rare combinations between the 2 as well
MayoWithFries
An old medical book wrote that about one in 500 people have Kleinfelter's (XXY)
xmaneds
@OP why don't klinefelter's people have barr bodies
MayoWithFries
They do, Barr bodies were even used to diagnose the condition at one point https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klinefelter_syndrome?wprov=sfla1
xmaneds
oh yeah... Great!, thanks! -- now that I think about it, I would definitely use barr bodies as a diagnostic tool for men's karyotypes, yes
xmaneds
MRW seeing barr bodies in a man's karyotype: "Holy shit, Bro, you got barr bodies all up in your nucleus; where they done came from?!?!"
letitsnowfor800
Two of my three miscarriages were triploidy, meaning they didn’t just have one extra chromosome, they had an entire extra SET of chromosomes
NachoManRandySalsa
I’m 6’6 with ADHD and had bad acne until I took accutane. Never heard about the first syndrome. Very Informative, thanks!
Ntnz
Thanks. More please.
EmJayAre
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turner_syndrome
SometimesIWalkFunny
I have a daughter with Turner's. This medical stuff has always been super interesting to me.
EmJayAre
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klinefelter_syndrome
LeGypsyLadie
So can doctors find this out before a baby is born, or is it only after that they test and discover the extra chromosomes?
xmaneds
amniocentesis will find this out because you can take cells from the embryo and do a karyotype before birth
StRocketScience
It depends! Some people it’s pretty obvious due to symptoms. Other times, people go their entire lives without know their intersex. There
StRocketScience
Was a case of an 80-year-old man father of 4 who had a fully-functional uterus
Megagerman4
It's a little more complicated, some parents know they have some of these abnormalities and with that the doctor can recommend some genetic-
Megagerman4
screening test. There are some diagnostic tools that can be used too that you take some of the fetus placenta or other structures-
Megagerman4
in the womb of the mother.
LeGypsyLadie
So interesting!
818fox
Our daughter has trisomy (47)xxx. We had amniocentesis done
MarredWoodWithNails
How's she doing? Keeping up with her peers okay?
818fox
Yes she excels but has some speech issues
blueyedagger
Another example of why sex/gender is way more complicated then people think.
NixAnimates
God i love learning about chromosome differences... Thank you for this post and this information @OP!
pinkhoneybee
I have enjoyed all 3 posts, ty. Very interesting stuff there.
Cruxador
"Supermale" and "Superfemale" seem like some off-brand superheroes designed around justifying some absolutely galaxy brained political takes
ItHappenedInThe20thCentury
I find it super weird that polysomy of these chromosomes would be linke to learning disabilities. Shows how much I know.
jyfresh
You should do one on the Philadelphia Chromosome, its pretty crazy and has a "cure".
frozensoul94
I can't wait for CRISPR to be at a clinical level, treat genetic conditions before an embryo fully forms. Lot of pre-testing beforehand.
tamboosh
Fleaofpain
100PercentOrganicCringe
Social scientists might have a few pointers, but they suffer from four major problems 1) lack of credibility compared to 'hard' sciences
100PercentOrganicCringe
2) advice often opposed to vested interests of a) traditional social orders b) economic interests 3) consequent lack of funding 4) the
100PercentOrganicCringe
social sciences are comparatively undeveloped
Fleaofpain
I agree, another major issue is that social science is so context specific that it can't be generalized easily to large scale solutions
railgap
Dunno shit about my chromosomes but I'm high-function autistic, a supertaster, have fantastic night vision, Morton's Toe, used to be smart/
railgap
as hell before a high fever took that from me, enjoyed anxiety and depression my whole life but I'm betting that's more about Mommy Dearest.
VogonSupermodel
what do you feel when you eat? is it just strong flavors or something else? for me the strongest is probably smell 1/?
VogonSupermodel
but most senses are in a slight overdrive at all times. I'm in the same boat with HFA. 2/2
Sloppydrunkcatlady
My aunt had a baby boy with trisomy 18. He only lived an hour or so after birth :(
UptownWitch
Sorry for your family’s loss.
KaiaPaws
So you're telling me that sex is more biologically complicated than my highschool-dropout aunt claims in her facebook posts?
TheClarkKnight
Nope. Extra chromosomes don’t determine sex.
punctualmedusa
Chromosomal mutations don't change sex but it is more complicated in other ways. Some individuals born as intersex it is really interesting
cgimw
Yes, but don't conflate intersex with transgender.
frozensoul94
I have an intersex friend, she dislikes the spotlight on trans. Intersex is mental, genetic and physical yet is ignored or treated equally.
theirarefourlights
I was under the impression that some intersex correction surgeries result in transgenderism later in life. If that’s so, the topics aren’t1/
theirarefourlights
completely unrelated. 2/2
StRocketScience
I can’t think of anybody who’s ever done this... not sure why you would say this... there are trans intersex people tho?
fennecbutt
It's almost like things can happen without you having experienced them.
cgimw
It's obviously caused at least some concern: https://isna.org/faq/transgender/
rayfay
"I can't think of anybody who's ever done this" Never underestimate people's potential for stupidity.
StRocketScience
I’m sure there are, but I’m not sure the point you’re trying to make... I hope you’re not invalidating trans people
rayfay
I'm not, sorry, I realize how that could've been misread now! I meant don't underestimate the fact that there are people stupid/ignorant 1/
Shane2017
XX-Male Syndrome = They have XX Chromosomes yet are otherwise physically male. No identity politics, they are true-to-God males.
orangecicle
Unless their brains aren't male... Then it's even more complicated
Gorgrim
genetics are weird, and don't follow rules as strictly as we may think. Why we shouldn't follow rules as strictly either imo.
Shane2017
Genetics follows rules very very strictly. We're the dumbies for thinking that we've figured out all the rules.
AmbroseGudmaker
There's a similar one with XY. Well except they have testes where their ovaries would be
HiddenSanity
Yup, when the SRY gene that the Y Chromosome is famous for gets crossed over onto an X, no abnormalities and XX-Males may even eventually-->
HiddenSanity
-supplant the Y chromosome in a few thousand generations or so given the reduced rate of hemophilia, colour-blindness, etc.
Shane2017
SRY-positive make up ~90% of XX-Males, however the other ~10% are SRY-negative. They gain this oddity via other mutations.
Dragonan
I think those are hermaphrodites, which are a completely different thing from trans folks.
Shane2017
hermaphrodites have BOTH reproductive organs (or parts thereof), an XX-Male only has male bits. Thus they are not hermaphrodites, nor trans.
Shane2017
~90% of the time it is due to a translocation of the SRY-gene from Y to X chromosome. the other 10% due to mutations and combinations.
Shane2017
It is a complicated topic. And reducing it down to "hermaphrodites and Trans folk" is FACTUALLY INCORRECT.
HoneyBunchesOfStoats
just FYI I believe they prefer to be referred to as 'intersex' these days
Dragonan
Isn't herm[...] the medical term?
HoneyBunchesOfStoats
it used to be, but these days in medicine they generally say someone is either 'intersex' or has a 'disorder of sexual development'
Shane2017
Intersex is a broad term. Hermaphrodite is a specific term. 'disorder of sexual development' is a difft term that may not apply to either
rayfay
"Hermaphrodite" also specifically refers to someone possessing both male and female genitalia, not everyone who is intersex would qualify
rayfay
Plus the word has some negative social connotations, and is more associated with animals. Intersex is a word specific to humans.
GodzillaBoomingMarketOfDiabetes
Oh, thank god, I thought you were gonna pull the ol there is more than two genders thing on us
RexMori
Wow. What an asshole.
GodzillaBoomingMarketOfDiabetes
Yes, yeah you are
JustAnotherVictimOfAmbientMorality
sex =/= gender, mah dude
GrandProtectorDark
Gender is independent of what is in your pants
Sneckz
Lol whoa its crazy to see how imgur has shifted on users. Before, your comment would have never been downvoted. Interesting!
GodzillaBoomingMarketOfDiabetes
I mean I'm atleast.glad it would turn into a 50-50 conversation honestly
ZVMaker
Civilizations throughout pretty much all of recorded history have recognized more than two gender roles but go on
GodzillaBoomingMarketOfDiabetes
Upon conversation with two others who are your side please prove it to me.
theirarefourlights
Maybe take responsibility for your own education? Do some research so you can also specific questions rather than demanded to be spoon fed.1
theirarefourlights
This stuff has been studied and discussed at length. It’s not at all hard to find information. 2/2
alsoAzrael
Why? Is google too hard? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_gender
GodzillaBoomingMarketOfDiabetes
Google.is completely retarded. I will look at your link, but later in the day, Google is currently run by a social justice warrior so -
GodzillaBoomingMarketOfDiabetes
Literally they'll put out in a search engine whatever the fuck they want to our out. But again once it's later in the day I will more i
RadicalLeftist
There is more then 2 genders though.
Silas007
Or there are no distinct genders and it is a spectrum .. kinda thing ... depending on how you look at it
RadicalLeftist
Bimodal meaning there are 2 extremes, male and female, and everything else in between including non binary.
alsoAzrael
An interesting thought: can we extend aspects of color to this debate? Light has a wide spectrum of possible frequencies, and it would be
alsoAzrael
nonsensical to ask how many frequencies there are. BUT it wouldn't be nonsensical to ask how many COLORS there are. That's because we've
alsoAzrael
chosen certain bands of color and chosen to identify them all as being some form of "red" or "blue" or whatever. So we can say "there are
GodzillaBoomingMarketOfDiabetes
Only if you count hermathodites which is an actual gender mutation in terms of actual biology
JustAnotherVictimOfAmbientMorality
sex =/= gender, mah "actual biology" dude
RadicalLeftist
Thats sex. Sex is your biology and gender is how you express yourself. I.e a women with male genitles is a women by gender and a man by sex.
ProppaGanda
And even sex is not just two, as there are way more indicators of sex than simple chromosome distinction.
quetzo126
I don't know much about this, but the way you describe gender, doesn't it mean that every person has their own gender? We all expr. our way.
RadicalLeftist
Sure. So i have what i perceive to be manly traits, society also sees me as a man. Theres a gap between those two but i label myself male
KurtHamster
Question: What purpose do these categories of self expression serve, and how are they defined?
RadicalLeftist
They serve to bridge the gap between who you were born as and how you see yourself. It provides you with the social interaction 1/2
RadicalLeftist
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_and_gender_distinction
AmHumanNotLizardMan
This only explains what people think, and not why they think it. It seems to just describe some history of thinking without providing
AmHumanNotLizardMan
the justification for why it is so, how can someone's opinions be shifted by such a text?