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It is extremely frustrating to think about how much this administration is pushing for this when the numbers are obvious. I believe in science not corruption or lies...so my kids will be doing "distance learning" until things change.
Not my meme, I am not a teacher, but I share the feelings.
GoodKingFuzzwumps
'There is no sacrifice greater than the one you make on my behalf'- Some asshole
mjh29822
They sure don't pay them enough for that.
Siliconhobbit
Betsy DeVos and the rest of or current Trump administration can go fuck themselves.
BannedGeek
That's a big part of the reason I jumped to IT this summer. More pay, less scary. I love my students but my wellbeing comes first
thegoodnoches
Our country is a fucking embarrassing mess
AgamemnonsMemes
Schools 'having' to go back is entirely related to the government needing people to go back to work
Silnt39
Saw a "heroes work here" sign out up by a local business. Ive never seen soldiers do that outside a base...
shwishyshwa
Much brave. So daring. Sitting home and getting paid.
IsaacNuetron
thesved
Time for a new career
iwenttocollegeforthis
You get a new career
thesved
One day...
thejohe
Trump can go F himself with his threats to cut school funding, I'm not risking my siblings LIFE for monetary profit
shwishyshwa
Then quit
3dartwork
BUT I'M SICK OF MY FKIN CHILD BEING A TWAT AT HOME! HE'S DRIVING ME NUTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTS
BannedGeek
Condoms are cheap! (Joking don't hurt me!)
SurfHill
Protect our teachers, protect our families, save our nation. Educate in science, teach morals. #VoteByeDon
YellowDrank
Its weird that you think the Federal government controls your local schools. Hint.. They do not.
SurfHill
I understand that fact far more than POTUS.
certainlynotaserialkiller
parents all over america have discoverd their crotch goblins are little pieces of shit.
AukyOH
My husband teaches highschool. Yeah the same one in my profile who got really fucking sick a year and a half ago. Im fucking stoked.
imilkgoats
Until they hold the meetings to decide if they are going to open schools in person and open to the public then don’t open schools
IamJacksanxiety
As an ex-teacher, my main concern is disciplinary. What does admin do when student refuses to wear mask? How do they enforce? (1)
theyear1500
Lol disciple, from my experience the admin are on the side of the students and fuck the teachers.
IamJacksanxiety
Gawd. You have no idea how right you are.
IamJacksanxiety
(2) Do they send student home? What if parent doesn't answer (and they won't)? What if a major test happens and all the students take off ?
catsandcoke
I fully support a nationwide strike by teachers and bus drivers. Bus drivers for sure. You aren’t getting paid to die.
shwishyshwa
Me too. Then we have justification to cut their pay
GirlAlex
Teacher here: this is a recipe for disaster. Teachers do not sign up to babysit or put their lives on the line for other peoples children
GirlAlex
To expect teachers to perform duties outside their job description (which is already expected) such as upholding our entire economy is crazy
GirlAlex
As someone who already works in a severely underfunded school, we need to be funding mental health services for students and plan for remote
GirlAlex
We shouldnt be excepting of the fact that some people will die if we go back to school. I will not work in these conditions
GirlAlex
Anyone who thinks otherwise either has an anterior motive or is naive to the dire state of our public education system in the US
YangKoete
I got sick so often at school. Now at work? I barely do.
GooseWhoGames
We need solidarity from students and teachers to not attend. And those without children should stand with them and demand they not open.
shwishyshwa
I demand they do open. Deal w it
wiilyc22
If you have a zoom meeting about opening schools up, maybe should consider that if it’s too dangerous for you, too dangerous for them.
seentoomuchdeath
But Trump can go and visit some reopened schools in Florida.
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KRicci
My high school classes typically contained 30+ people, and I had 8 different classes with 8 different teachers in 8 classrooms
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BlairT1
Listening to Besty Devos saying “We need kids back in school, no matter what” is beyond irresponsible behavior from the top US “educator”
Evanfoilies
Don't fool yourselves people. She isn't an educator. She's just a pawn pushing an agenda.
immortalbucket
Her brother kills people for money. Runs in the family.
Death83
I fucking hate that bitch so bad. I thinks she's the same one who wanted a "return in her investment" after buying her position.
BarelyAnInconvenience42
She's not an educator, she's what happens when nepotism guides political appointments. F*** her and her mercenary brother.
TheJudgeHasItBackwards
She dropped a not so subtle "If public schools won't open lets move their funding to private schools" (paraphrase) on Chris Wallace's show.
mardukkur
Never let a crisis go to waste. Stealing public school money is her raison d'etre.
Ana5ta51a
Especially since her kids have never set foot into a public school.
putcleverusernamehere
She's as plutocratic as they come. No experience but donated $9M to scumbag's campaign and "poof" she's in charge of Education
stephiebunny
She's not an educator. Most of the people who make policies regarding schools, teachers, and students are not educators.
rockgolf1
Devos estimates "only 0.02%" of students will dies of COVID. That's 14,000 kids! 40 times # of school shooting deaths in past 20 years!
Kanzibrix
7 times the # of people who died in 9/11! But kids!
unlimited38
She's a whore. Except she sells the well being and lives of others for her profit.
tacticalattackterriers
Wouldn't that make her a pimp?
unlimited38
I thought about that, but it's too nice of a word for her.
tacticalattackterriers
I dunno, I would argue that the pimp is the worse person in the pimp/whore alignment spectrum.
unlimited38
True that, but which would you rather be if you had to pick one? That's my reasoning.
TheVenerableJudgeTaintyMcPoo
Data is showing that kids don’t transmit COVID. NYT just did a piece on it. Schools reopening is a good idea. Sigh. Bring on the downvotes.
The701
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/05/health/coronavirus-children-transmission-school.html Well there's that, from May.
The701
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/11/health/coronavirus-schools-reopen.html Is this the one you mean?
TheVenerableJudgeTaintyMcPoo
This is the piece I’m citing: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/06/15/podcasts/the-daily/coronavirus-pandemic.amp.html
The701
I did read the full transcript... but I don't remember seeing anything about kids or schools.
CNNBRFIINF
Source? Article I found by NYT contradicts you: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/05/health/coronavirus-children-transmission-school.amp.html
TheVenerableJudgeTaintyMcPoo
Source here: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/06/15/podcasts/the-daily/coronavirus-pandemic.amp.html
TheLastPerfectDay
Quit posting this shit unless you can give us a reputable source.
TheVenerableJudgeTaintyMcPoo
Source here: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/06/15/podcasts/the-daily/coronavirus-pandemic.amp.html
TheLastPerfectDay
I mean an article, not a podcast.
TheVenerableJudgeTaintyMcPoo
The Daily is the New York Times summative news podcast. If you have a problem with that as a source, you don’t understand how sources work.
TheVenerableJudgeTaintyMcPoo
Any search yields 1) kids aren’t transmitting and 2) we need more data. Cautious reopening is only logical course. CDC and others support.
RainDog55
Please keep schools closed....spare us from the self righteous grandstanding.
TheVenerableJudgeTaintyMcPoo
Data is showing that kids don’t transmit COVID. NYT just did a piece on it. Schools reopening is a good idea. Sigh. Bring on the downvotes.
yallmfsneedjesus
Yes the amount of ed visits related to child abuse since this started is staggering. For many, school is the safest place.
LeSethX
The number of students per teacher was already too high in most classrooms. With the current crisis, we need easily 2x as many teachers
LeSethX
to even hope to have a successful reopen. 35 students in the same room as before, but somehow 6 feet apart? HOW?!
HUGHgReaction
By the government or the teachers?
RainDog55
Teachers. It was bad enough to begin with.
secondbest
In the Netherlands, we've reopened schools (for half the time) first—with the rationale that children (without symptoms) 1/x
secondbest
are less likely to spread the disease. But also, after the virus was mostly under control. As a parent, work was impossible until then. 2/2
gurlsnuggler
Once we got it under control seems to be a critical element.
amop
Why would children be less likely to spread the virus? Children are classic vectors with no self-awareness or grasp of seriousness
TheVenerableJudgeTaintyMcPoo
They’re suffering primarily inflammation symptoms, not respiratory symptoms. No coughs/sneezes/boogers. Also kids are 2% of global cases.
Swedash
Just to clarify since the other posts seem to miss to point it out. It's known that children are less infectious but unknown why that is.
amop
I thought it ‘was known’ then started to change, just like when they thought young adults weren’t getting it?
secondbest
Argument is that (young) children have less severe symptoms, lesser viral load, and are thus less likely to spread—after virus containment.
amop
It still has a mortality rate. That’s inherently accepting the death of children
secondbest
Children with the mildest of cold symptoms were not allowed to go to school or daycare, which didn't help my chronic-cold toddler situation.
phillini
There are tons of unknowns, but there are theories that kids don’t have as many receptors for this virus to attack so they aren’t carriers.
mardukkur
As much as others. They don't transmit the virus as aggressively. They're not immune. And schools exacerbate the risk of transmission.
phillini
But the fact that we still don’t know a ton about Covid-19 in kids, I’m not sending my kids back either.
ThatChi11Guy
Based on the size of the virus, everyone had plenty of orifices to receive covid.
Quiet0ctopus
What were your new cases/day when they reopened, because we're up to ~60000/day.
secondbest
They were down before we began to reopen but schools did reopen first. I wanted to provide context but The US strategy is abhorrent.
PizzaStation
You mean opening Disney World when we have 60,000 new cases a day is stupid?
Quiet0ctopus
As a whole our numbers are way up, but localities are opening as their numbers decline. But people do this thing called traveling, so we're/
Quiet0ctopus
FUCKED because apparently America is where the rules are made up and the numbers don't matter.
PhloydPhan
If we open the schools back up, sure, a few thousand people will die. But what if we all put up 'Thank you teaching heroes' yard signs?
famousfornow
Make it a low jet fly over and you got yourself a deal!
GForce805
Don't forget to add a Facebook profile pic filter
alecdshope
Don't forget thoughts and prayers. We can afford some of those since there hasn't been a school shooting in a while.
idontlikepickingusername
But if "only" 0.02% of children die that's more than all school shootings from the last 10 years. No more talk of gun control!
IDontLoveJesusButDoItAnyway
AimlessSavant
Iirc a politician actually broke down that a 3% loss of life over millions of children was "acceptable losses".
Woodcastle
I think my favorite part is the expected death toll for just the kids is equal to 9/11. Betsy is advocating filling the twin towers with 1/
Woodcastle
Children and ramming them with planes full of children for the economy. /2
Lovethespam
I don't know.. sounds like a hassle. Can't I just send thoughts and prayers?
OriginalSyn
Betsy "only 0.02% of kids will die" DaVos is okay with 15,000 kids dying. Blood for the corporate gods.
Dadto5
And then go to the school and attack them for making little Johnny wear a mask. I'm so done with this world
W4RG4ZM
Thoughts and prayers.
degenerator
Here's the yard signs as visual metaphor: https://imgur.com/TAW5aWu
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hattbillies3
The kids will bring covid back home, it’s not just teachers who are at risk, it’s everyone
PimpinKen
We know this, stupud people don't
hattbillies3
Then why’s everyone posting shit about saving teachers?
TheVenerableJudgeTaintyMcPoo
I’m all for caution but the data seems to indicate children are not transmitters.
PlanckEraWasMyBestEra
And at what age is this supposed cutoff? If I have a senior in high school does the virus decide they aren't old enough to bring it home?
TheVenerableJudgeTaintyMcPoo
Lol it’s a spectrum, obviously. The younger, the less likely to transmit and suffer adverse effects. K-12 seems fine so far.
curioususername
Teens and children are half as likely to catch it, but i'm sure sitting in a small room with 20-30 others for hours every day will help.
TheVenerableJudgeTaintyMcPoo
Half as likely? They represent 2% of global cases. Denmark reopened schools and saw no spike so I’m hopeful.
DrMephistoFromSouthParkColorado
however schools are more than children. There are teachers, administration, cafeteria workers, maintenance staff, etc this poses a risk too.
TheVenerableJudgeTaintyMcPoo
Yes, and social distancing + masks + careful monitoring is essential. Denmark reopening schools did not contribute to spike, so I’m hopeful.
DrMephistoFromSouthParkColorado
Denmark also had competent national leadership that encouraged listening to the Drs and doing all the above you mentioned.
TheVenerableJudgeTaintyMcPoo
Sigh. Agreed. But that doesn’t make opening schools a bad idea, it just makes having Trump as president a bad idea.
LathiArcanus
If you can host the virus, you can transmit the virus. And they have no compunction about sneezing directly into your eyeballs.
TheVenerableJudgeTaintyMcPoo
That’s not what the data is showing. Children represent about 2% of total cases, and just aren’t transmitting it. No sneezes/coughs/boogers.
LathiArcanus
According to the commentary on 1 study, performed in the early stages of the pandemic. Schools were some of the first things to close, & /1
LathiArcanus
child-to-child contacts have, in general, been extremely limited since - skewing the data. So it's not really conclusive by any means.
dudedude09
Boom. Problem not solved, not even close, but...I’d sure feel better!
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fuzzlebuttsmama
Wow, I just realized those are the physical manifestations of "thoughts & prayers".
Lovethespam
Uuuh D: I just said that and then I saw you already had! Curses!
reineseele
#TeacherMatterButTheEconomyMattersMore
JoeT85
*sigh* Ok, I'll go dust off some thoughts and prayers.
ditbujin
We could clap too, just to seal the deal?
DrMephistoFromSouthParkColorado
we go and clap when its time to change classes so the school can save money by not having to ring the bell.
Jordinatinglybeautiful
This is fucking worthless. Without having t-shirts that say the same thing!
MouseBalls
Gonna need commercials from every company saying thanking you and that they are doing everything to make their products safe for you to buy.
tjperez371911
Don’t forget free fountain soda or coffee for them.
Ihaveafork
Whoa whoa whoa. That's going a little too far.
iwantglassesbutiseefine
PlusHooks
Let’s bring back the bright rubber bracelets. “Teacherstrong.” They’d be green to signify the money the teachers deserve but aren’t getting
EmCeeMiNacion
And we can get Samuel L Jackson to recite his tweet about teachers getting paid like actors.
dudedude09
White House will label it a terrorist network. Maybe Trump Strong, Treason Strong? ?
Nalianna
Treason Strong, is Strong reasoning.
thereoncewasamanfromnantucket
It is strong treasoning
simplejacksoffhismeds
What is the position of the teachers union about reopening during a world wide pandemic? Any chances of striking? Legit questions.
SunAnvil
"Under Kentucky law, public employees do not have the right to strike, but they can call in sick". I have relatives in KY that are teachers
differentiated
I can call in sick, but I still have to write the lesson plans and grade the work. And in the meantime, who teaches my class?
PizzaStation
NEA president publicly dared Trump to sit in a classroom full of 6th graders and breathe in the air if we open without precautions.
belongsinamuseum
GOP killed the unions about 10 years ago.
Bananasareagovconspiracy
Except for the police’s “fraternal brotherhoods” which the GOP seem fine with for some reason...
Death83
Grand Ol' Party. They got the same thing going, a good ol boys club.
AawesomeAardvaark
I'm sure there's discussions. Unfortunately less than half of us have a union.
Quiet0ctopus
That's actually 100% illegal here.
Bugsyjr9000
This came up in a different thread and someone mentioned that it's actually illegal for teachers to strike in some states.
Justwarlockthings
It’s illegal in Nebraska for teachers to strike. :(
scavenger98888
Thats why u do it anyways. Its a strike. Its not convenient for anyone.
iwenttocollegeforthis
Other teachers in my union have sent private emails to me about a potential strike
jimmysRunner
Who cares, of course the overlords made it illegal. That's why you do it anyways https://time.com/5719885/matt-bevin-republican-kentucky-tea
Bugsyjr9000
Definitely! I'm just pointing out that there may not be as big of a turnout in those areas.
MishievousMagpie
The school district I work at is opening up completely with the only plan being "parents will keep sick kids home and kids will wash (1/?)
MishievousMagpie
Their hands and wear a mask if they can't maintain social distancing." Like wtf have you ever been around middle school children you dingus?
idontlikepickingusername
Yeah, my wife will be teaching a Gr 1 class with no gym or recess...luckily in Canada but still not a great situation.
MishievousMagpie
Have they met first graders?? Them being outside is gonna help with energy and be slightly better for social distancing!! I send her my luck
idontlikepickingusername
Not sure what the logic is, keeps classes as separated as possible I guess. TBF they are still examining the plan and taking input.
MishievousMagpie
Better than my school district who doesn't seem to be changing their minds any time soon. Sometimes I really hate Texans, freaking idiots.
PizzaStation
Parents knowingly send sick kids to school all the fucking time so they don't miss work.
MishievousMagpie
Exactly, we aren't teachers, we're babysitters to them. Unfortunately we aren't paid as nearly as well as babysitters/nannies are either.
PizzaStation
This push to open schools is about creating an illusion of normal going into Nov. It's a campaign stunt.
MishievousMagpie
It's going to kill people and neither party gives a shit. Kids are going to die. Teachers are going to die. Im a type 1 diabetic. I will die
PizzaStation
The sad part is they know this. They're hoping the deaths will pile up slowly enough at the start to make it to the election.
MishievousMagpie
But I can't strike because I need the employment or I can get medical supplies that literally keeps me alive.
Rijtjeshuis
How successful have adults been so far whenever they've told high school students to not get physically close to each other?
TallCanOChips
Sister just graduated HS. Parents have let her go to a party(s) weekly. My wife is pregnant and due in a month. Sadly, I am going to have /1
TallCanOChips
To tell her she won’t be able to hold her nephew for some time when he gets here. Not to mention she’s going to uni during that time too.
iHaveYour10mm
Umm, About half the adult people i see out doing things can't even wear a mask or distance themselves. Kids or teens won't do any better.
arfysdad
Imagine middle schoolers. We can't get them to keep their pants or blouses up, and now try to get them to keep masks on?
HalstenTorqThorkelson
I work at a high school in Australia, and the kids are all over each other, in spite of instructions. If somebody gets it, they all will.
TheVenerableJudgeTaintyMcPoo
Data is showing that kids don’t transmit COVID. NYT just did a piece on it. Schools reopening is a good idea. Sigh. Bring on the downvotes.
shadyminivan
Bring on the sauce instead
Exoph
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/05/health/coronavirus-children-transmission-school.html
shadyminivan
Thank you!
Exoph
I'm not sure how he interpreted it as saying children wete incapable of transmitting the virus but here's the article he was referring to
Patrick327
Ask anyone who works in education, it is just a germ factory. I'm not willing to sacrifice any child or staff for the economy
Kikichu93
Yes it is, I work at a school and when a student gets sick not only other kids get sick but also teachers and staff.
redstaterefugee
When my husband taught I hated the start of the school year because I knew we would both be sick for a couple months. Schools are incubators
aprilludgateduire
The first 3 years of working in schools I spent sick the entire time.
hattbillies3
It’s not just teachers and kids, it’s everyone!
HD2composer
Well said. Teachers and children need to stay home. I don't care if they stay "digital" for the next 2 years... it is worth it.
schwinnanigans
It's true! Doesn't matter the age/level we teach. I always load up on vitamin C from August - October in attempt to not get sick.
cheeseguy3412
"I'm not a teacher, I'm a petri dish with a rack!" - A coworker's wife a few years ago. She taught 3rd grade.
Muhfynmann2
Yeah but how was her rack?
cheeseguy3412
Quite nice. Beyond that, she made a Sharknado oil painting that they kept smearing up, so I'll leave the rest to your imagination.
BoomerKeith
Ask anyone with kids. They already are walking Petrie dishes.
AimlessSavant
Literally why sickness is so common as children
Quiet0ctopus
As a teacher, thank you.
BahamutBBob
Until Covid, my sister (an elementary teacher) bragged about her strong immune system from working in a school.
AawesomeAardvaark
This. I've been sneezed on. A lot.
tacticalattackterriers
"Hi Mrs!" "Hello Josue" *kid goes in for hug and immediately coughs up into my face* "I'm sick!" *gleeful smile* "I can tell. Thanks, hon"
rudejohn
It isn't "for the economy." There are families who don't have a parent who can stay home with their kids longer, or they'll lose everything.
AimlessSavant
Then you probably made a mistake being a parent.
rudejohn
I made a mistake being a parent because my wife and i both work out of the home?
AimlessSavant
If your family cannot effectively manage with one working adult, and the other to rear children, you aren't considering the economical
AimlessSavant
responsibility of having children. Parental bond is an important thing that is forgotten with a 2 working parent system.
TheVenerableJudgeTaintyMcPoo
I’m all for caution, but children are not transmitting this disease. They suffer inflammation symptoms not respiratory symptoms. No coughs.
Ilikecreativepeople
Good then ONLY children should be allowed back in the schools... Oh wait..
TheVenerableJudgeTaintyMcPoo
? Denmark reopened and had no spike, so it seems reopening combined with masks + social distancing may be ok.
AimlessSavant
Yes and old people die of strokes, and heart attacks as a result of covid, that doesn't mean they cannot transmit the virus you MAGAtism
gingerminge
There's a lot more people in a school than children.
TheVenerableJudgeTaintyMcPoo
Agreed. Masks + social distancing + careful monitoring is essential. But Denmark reopened schools and had no spike, so I’m hopeful.
gingerminge
I'm in the Houston area yo they wanna open schools while the hospitals are still fun
TheVenerableJudgeTaintyMcPoo
Hey Houston! I used to live there. Cases spiking is due to people not wearing masks and social distancing, need that fixed but school is ok.
BannedGeek
They carry it. They wipe their noses with their hands and touch everything in a room. They hug. Christ on a bike you are uninformed.
TheVenerableJudgeTaintyMcPoo
Lol! I’m just repeating what the NYT article I read said. Denmark reopened schools, no spike. Kids are 2% of global cases, don’t transmit.
facemansvette
https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/06/29/884638999/u-s-pediatricians-call-for-in-person-school-this-fall
facemansvette
Not uninformed at all.
waitwasthatreal
The AAP and CDC both agree schools should reopen, and both state guidelines to do so are important, but they should not be used as an >>
waitwasthatreal
Excuse to not reopen. All these “I believe in science” people are just blatantly ignoring experts.
kitta89
They do suffer respiratory symptoms, up to and including MIS-C complication. I get notifications from CDC and my boss because I'm a nurse.
TheVenerableJudgeTaintyMcPoo
I’m just repeating what the New York Times told me. Denmark reopened schools, no spike. Kids are 2% of global cases, don’t transmit.
kitta89
There's a lot of misinformation and outdated information floating around, that's why I figured I'd give my most recent info.
BannedGeek
Denmark has a population that listened to experts. Florida had 15k new cases yesterday.
TheVenerableJudgeTaintyMcPoo
Our experts say open schools. CDC and American Pediatrics Association recommend opening. We need masks + social distancing regardless.
DeathLemons
Are you a doctor? No you are not a doctor so stfu.
TheVenerableJudgeTaintyMcPoo
I’m someone who read an article published by the New York Times in which a doctor was interviewed and multiple academic studies were cited.
waitwasthatreal
I will be in about 8 months, you know what the doctors are saying? AAP and CDC both agree schools should open, and guidelines shouldn’t >>
waitwasthatreal
Be an excuse to not open.
curioususername
This CDC? https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/11/politics/cdc-documents-warn-high-risk-schools-reopening/index.html
TheVenerableJudgeTaintyMcPoo
Congrats on your impending degree! And thank you for braving the downvotes to fight misinformation.