I hate how I'm agreeing with what's basically an old boomer joke. The problem isn't that kids are always dumber than the last "great" generation, it's that they're going to be learning from a machine that hallucinates answers. With the right tools, many kids can be smart, but if you put garbage in, you get garbage out.
Asking an old person if you actually had to remember people's names back in the day is going to be the new asking if you actually had to memorize phone #'s.
Bold of them to assume schools would still exist and the teachers would be human and not the AI itself just injecting false information directly to their brains.
I could imagine memes like this from around 2000 but talking about doing basic math when their calculators aren't working.
I'm skeptical on AI, but the problem is the education system, not the students. Schools should be doing what schools in Finland do which is teach the benefits and limitations of AI as part of their comprehensive critical thinking education.
I teach post grad students at a university. my students are all law graduates and they all use Chat GPT to answer even the most basic class questions. The scary part is that they believe anything it tells them. Critical thinking is gone completely. The future is terrifying.
It's insane. Sure, it might have an 80% success rate, but especially with law, if you get hit with that 20% hallucination, that's your job and your license. And when you're working on a large case with lots of questions for the AI, statistics are going to statistic. Hell, even if it was 99% successful, you're still going to have to review it all by hand, so you might as well have done it by hand.
Yeah, because looking stuff up on Google is way harder. And looking things up in an Encyclopedia was way harder. And going to the library to look up things was way harder. And asking people for information was way harder.
I have a coworker that I’ve put a complete moratorium on working with for my own safety, because he is exactly this way. Tries to ask ChatGPT how to fix train tracks instead of actually doing any work.
They aren't necessarily shaming them, just telling them they can't us AI to write their reports or answer test questions. Students are complaining that they should be able to.
Sounds like teachers haven't adequately explained the limitations of AI and why it shouldn't be used.
"Because I said so" is not a good explanation.
Again, I think this is a problem with the educational system, not teachers or students being lazy or incompetent. We have to teach AI as part of critical thinking.
He's got a point though, teachers should be able to offer examples of acceptable use of AI, like a student writing up a report, and having the ai check it for errors, and factuality. Keep it paragraph by paragraph. I've found they hallucinate if you combine multiple topics.
But yeah, I use AI before I submit reports to make sure my shit reads correctly, and is factually correct. ChatGPT does catch my mistakes when I make them on purpose or not. So I genuinely think it's a great study tool
TalachaDotNet
They are forcing us to become dependent on something they control... 1984 anyone?
medimr
I lose a little more faith in humanity every time I hear someone say "I asked ChatGPT/Grok"...
Helixninja333
I hate how I'm agreeing with what's basically an old boomer joke. The problem isn't that kids are always dumber than the last "great" generation, it's that they're going to be learning from a machine that hallucinates answers. With the right tools, many kids can be smart, but if you put garbage in, you get garbage out.
ShimmerinStrider
Ah yes. Perfect for the people who own chatgpt
taez555
Asking an old person if you actually had to remember people's names back in the day is going to be the new asking if you actually had to memorize phone #'s.
distractedFreek
Bold of them to assume schools would still exist and the teachers would be human and not the AI itself just injecting false information directly to their brains.
eion85
I could imagine memes like this from around 2000 but talking about doing basic math when their calculators aren't working.
I'm skeptical on AI, but the problem is the education system, not the students. Schools should be doing what schools in Finland do which is teach the benefits and limitations of AI as part of their comprehensive critical thinking education.
beaubrent
I teach post grad students at a university. my students are all law graduates and they all use Chat GPT to answer even the most basic class questions. The scary part is that they believe anything it tells them. Critical thinking is gone completely. The future is terrifying.
Helixninja333
It's insane. Sure, it might have an 80% success rate, but especially with law, if you get hit with that 20% hallucination, that's your job and your license. And when you're working on a large case with lots of questions for the AI, statistics are going to statistic. Hell, even if it was 99% successful, you're still going to have to review it all by hand, so you might as well have done it by hand.
DocFunkenstein
Yeah, because looking stuff up on Google is way harder. And looking things up in an Encyclopedia was way harder. And going to the library to look up things was way harder. And asking people for information was way harder.
Nailed it.
argyodite
Yes, LLMs are equivalent to encyclopedias. For sure.
ianrl337
I wish this was wrong, but it is painfully correct. AI can be good, but people are using it as a crutch and not a learning tool
Ionico
Oh it's way worse than even that. They straight up are letting it run their lives, and make decisions. It's scary as fuck.
pupclips91
I have a coworker that I’ve put a complete moratorium on working with for my own safety, because he is exactly this way. Tries to ask ChatGPT how to fix train tracks instead of actually doing any work.
PaperinoVB
They are letting AI run their companies decisions *without even verifying the answers*.
Ionico
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PaperinoVB
I've been asked how do I know this. I'll answer here for public self shaming: I'm an IT consultant, with AI certifications.
ianrl337
Exactly. Then they complain when teachers call them on it in school. We are so fucked in a few years
eion85
Why are teachers "calling them on it" instead of teaching them about the benefits and limitations of AI?
Do they/you think shame is an effective teaching method for anyone?
ianrl337
They aren't necessarily shaming them, just telling them they can't us AI to write their reports or answer test questions. Students are complaining that they should be able to.
eion85
Sounds like teachers haven't adequately explained the limitations of AI and why it shouldn't be used.
"Because I said so" is not a good explanation.
Again, I think this is a problem with the educational system, not teachers or students being lazy or incompetent. We have to teach AI as part of critical thinking.
Kuiper
He's got a point though, teachers should be able to offer examples of acceptable use of AI, like a student writing up a report, and having the ai check it for errors, and factuality. Keep it paragraph by paragraph. I've found they hallucinate if you combine multiple topics.
But yeah, I use AI before I submit reports to make sure my shit reads correctly, and is factually correct. ChatGPT does catch my mistakes when I make them on purpose or not. So I genuinely think it's a great study tool