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Ancient and medieval lists of marvelous sights in the known world have come down to us, though most of the architecture have not.
This is a look at the wonders best known today.
The seven proposals have varied slightly with different authors; the Lighthouse appeared on lists first in the 6th century AD and replaced other sights, as the walls of Babylon listed by Antipater of Sidon or a black obelisk in Babylon listed by Diodorus Siculus, in the public consensus.
Colossus of Rhodes
The statue was constructed by Chares of Lindos in 280 BC. It had a framework of iron tie bars with a brass plates exterior giving the sun-god Helios shape.
With an estimated height of 33 metres (108 feet) it was alike the Statue of Liberty in USA today. The Colossus' position is unclear, though the popular tradition that it stood over the harbour entry is unfounded in the sources and in practice implausible.
In 226 BC, after only 54 years, an earthquake hit Rhodes. The Colossus fell and the oracle of Delphi discouraged the Rhodians from rebuilding it. The fallen giant was still a popular sight in latter centuries, until an Arab force sold it off as metal scrap in AD 653.
Hanging Gardens of Babylon
The gardens is the sole wonder yet in question. Known contemporary Babylonian texts do not mention it, and archaeology have yet found no evidence of it. Speculations are thus abound.
From foreign, written sources it is estimated that it existed from ca 600 BC to after 1st century AD, and to been built in tiered terraces; Diodorus measured it to about 400 feet wide by 400 feet long and more than 80 feet high.
Lighthouse of Alexandria
Also known as the Pharos of Alexandria the Lighthouse was constructed during the reign of Ptolemy II Philadelphus (280–247 BC). It has been estimated to been at least 100 metres (330 feet) in overall height.
Three earthquakes struck it between AD 956 and 1323. It was abandoned but it partly remained until 1480 when its stone was used to construct a citadel.
Mausoleum at Halicarnassus
The Mausoleum was a tomb for a native Anatolian named Mausolus, a satrap in the first Persian Empire, and his sister-wife Artemisia II of Caria. It was built between 353 - 350 BC by the Greek architects Satyros and Pythius of Priene.
The Mausoleum was about 45 meters (148 feet) high and richly decorated. It was destroyed by earthquakes from the 12th to the 15th century AD. In the 15th and 16th century the Knights of St John of Rhodes used the remains to build fortifications.
Pyramid of Khufu / Great Pyramid of Giza
The still remaining wonder was constructed over one to two decades, by Egyptian workers, and was finished about 2560 BC (making it 4 580 years old). It was constructed for pharaoh Khufu ("Cheops").
Before erosion it was 146.5 metres (481 feet) high; today it is 138.8 metres (455 feet) . The length is 230.34 metres (756 feet). All done without aliens. Is such a thing even possible? Yes it is.
Statue of Zeus at Olympia
The ca 12.4 meters (41 feet) tall statue was built about 435 BC by the Greek sculptor Phidias. Placed in a temple of Zeus it was a wooden framework clad with ivory plates and gold panels. The throne had ebony, gold and precious stones.
Its fate is unclear: it may have been destroyed already in the 2nd century AD, or in a fire that took the temple in 425, or it was moved to Constantinople and destroyed in a great fire there in 475.
Temple of Artemis at Ephesus
A temple had stood at the site since the Bronze Age but was destroyed by a flood in the 7th century BC. About 540 BC a magnificent second temple was completed, funded by Croesus of Lydia.
It was destroyed in 356 BC by an arsonist seeking eternal fame [so won't name him], but was reconstructed by the Ephesians. This third temple was the renowned wonder: 137 meters (450 feet) long by 69 meters (225 feet) wide and 18 meters (60 feet) high, colorful and having more than 127 columns.
Christians closed the Temple of the goddess Artemis presumably in the early to mid 5th century. It was later used for other constructions, including some columns in Hagia Sophia. Today only the foundation and spread out pieces remains.
Alittledistantshiningstar
Thanks for another great post @Ngugi. The original 7 wonders steeped in so much mystery, thanks for the on point facts and speculations
Mentor397
Actually, all these were created by the Noldar people in my last game of Civilization for Windows.
Pinkee
If I ever get a ton of money, I want to rebuild the colossus of Rhodes but in my body image, and in my hometown of Niagara Falls.
TheWarHymn
TheWalkinDude19
I love that you didn't name the guy who destroyed that last one. A big ol' fuck you to a dickbag from 2376 years ago.
Shismouche
I know the ancient ones more than the modern ones
dasangry1
Anyone else concerned with the high number of ancient earthquakes?
FrnxtGhrtSonyGurm
Fantastic post!
Ectrinadann
A wild Ngugi! Love reading your posts! Off to the FP with you!
Ngugi
Cranbananarama
Wouldn't mind seeing these remade.
ReelPoop
after your bitch ass +1 @op
FallingScar
As an archaeologist i love these posts, but god i wish i could have seen them all
cookiediver
Have you played the 7 wonders board game?
Ngugi
Aye, a few times, enjoyed it :)
cookiediver
When was the last time?
Ngugi
Three years ago IIRC
doitmyway
I joined Imgur for posts like this. But it has been a long time ago since I saw smth like this.
Ngugi
daguq
This is a wonder full post.
theweylandyutanicorp
I try to build the pyramids first, for the two workers near the capital.
PotatoGunnaPotate
SamPound1
There is a PBS special where she finds all the canals rhat were dug to grow the garden of Babylon.
generalgrievance
That was actually apart of Stephanie Dalley's proposal that they were located in Nineveh! It's a fascinating doc
LabyrinthBuilder
As Civilization player
eternaldragon6661
Marwick42
Yoink
DamnItTrudyWhatAboutThePineapple
@OP as someone from Rhodes, THANK YOU for saying it was not over the harbour, first one I've seen that says it. The prevailing theory is 1/2
DamnItTrudyWhatAboutThePineapple
That it was inside the (now old) town. An artist draw it over the harbour and for some reason became the most popular edition. +1 for post
edgeofadhesion
I knew it wasn't over the harbor because it would have dammed it when it fell if it was. Never knew it was in the town though.
DamnItTrudyWhatAboutThePineapple
Yeah, there are some theories as to where in the town it was exactly but we don't know for sure. Also where they say it is at the harbour 1/
DamnItTrudyWhatAboutThePineapple
There are two columns with bronze deer statues. On one side a male and on the other a female and that's cuz Rhodes is also called the deer2/
DamnItTrudyWhatAboutThePineapple
Island. Also knights island, island of the sun and many other names.
Rayfasa
Great(sarcastic) now I have to go play civilization!
BendOverAndIllShowYa
Yes!!!!
babamulon
That's a good thing mate
senefen
The Shrine of Remembrance in Melbourne, Australia is based on the mausoleum of Halicarnassus https://images.app.goo.gl/TcRf2LQSXjNHwcit6
Odballl
Also the Parthenon. And the flourish at the top is modelled off the The Choragic Monument of Lysicrates. :)
Odballl
Also, the proportions roughly align with the slope of the pyramid.
senefen
Huh, neat. Must incorporate more monuments. Need hanging garden around the rim. (Okay, maybe that's not the point of a war memorial.)
Odballl
Well, it's kind-of got the lighthouse with it's Ray of Light. Hanging gardens would be groovy.
Wellshiet
"Christians closed the Temple of the goddess Artemis" christians always ruin everything
wizardcaptain
And earthquakes, apparently.
zFUBARz
Acts of God yo. Same diff. /s
FakeAnonymity
Are we ignoring the Arabs in Rhodes now? Shit happens
ChicoSlim
Not a lions appetite! “Looks like the God of the Netherworld will be throwing the opening Christian out tonite. Lions vs.Tigers. B rite back
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404GravitassNotFound
Thanks. It's awesome in UHD
Shismouche
Awhh the statues of Madara and the first hokage inverted hitlers
Sigge1981
I wish more of these would have survived to this day. It would be awe inspiring to actually see them.
holodecktheory
Agreed, though if they were all destroyed and I could choose one to return, it would have been the pyramids.
IAmAngry
Europe still has amazing architecrute - that survived, what is pitty is the architecture in Syria/Afganistan destroyed by radicals THIS DAYS
ipostwhatyouseeabove
We created and destroyed it. We can make something amazing and discard it like it's nothing. Still something to be in awe of.
RetardAIert
Have you ever been to Rome? The architecture on all of the old buildings is amazing.
Sigge1981
I haven't. My brother went a few years ago with his family, and I'm a bit jealous of him for that.
JuicyShaqMeat
Been a couple of times and it always amazes me, that I can get ancient Rome, renaissance Rome and a McDonald's in the same shot...
EuclidianCoitus
Even Rome is victim, the early Christians took the marble from the older buildings and used them for the Vatican
Wikipedo
Il Vittoriano is probably my favourite, but the Pantheon is also amazing
Ekiya
It's amazing how many have survived, all these new building barely last a decade
NotNotDeadpool
Dude, its amazing, we are only just learing why roman concrete is still better than modern concrete.
BigBlueWonder
Please remember that they built many crappy building in the past. You don’t see them because they didn’t survive.
Tyanet
Good old Survivorship Bias.
ConsistentlyLateCommenter
I'm on my second play through of AC Odyssey so it's interesting to read all about these!
JuicyShaqMeat
You can climb both the pyramids and the lighthouse in Origins!
ConsistentlyLateCommenter
Nice! This was my first AC game, is Origins worth it?
JuicyShaqMeat
Same with me. It took some time to properly get into it, as the gameplay of Odyssey seems like the polished version of Origins and it's
JuicyShaqMeat
Therefore almost like taking a step back, but once I got used to it, I really enjoyed it. Not quite as beautiful as Odyssey but that's just
JuicyShaqMeat
The reality of lots of desert in that region as opposed to beautiful country sides and lovely blue waters ;)
vxncxnt
“An arsonist seeking eternal fame (so won’t name him)” Lmaooooo
dogmoind
Getting played 2300 years later!
Rasdwatrium
more like..getting burned!
damnshithellfart
He succeeded though.
damnshithellfart
His name: Herostratus
damnshithellfart
Downvote if you like. But he burned it down so we would never forget his name. You can look his name today. Sometimes evil wins....
RenaldoMooon
Arson set on the day Alexander the Great was born, so unmemorable event for date. Don’t mess with Artemis.
damnshithellfart
Herostratus
damnshithellfart
Except you can absolutely look up his name....
ExTechOp
If you really want to know: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%48%65%72%6f%73%74%72%61%74%75%73
Hezaethox
Nah, that's not the person. This video covers why: https://youtu.be/doEqUhFiQS4
itrynottocommentbutyoumakemecringe
Is that where “Hero” comes from?
Grendelsgrundle
Hero comes from the Greek ‘heros’ - but I’m pretty sure the word was around before he was. He did spawn the phrase ‘Herostratic Fame’ though
itrynottocommentbutyoumakemecringe
Yea read that but never heard that term before ??♂️
Pokedthebear
...and I build all of them. A thousand times. Thanks civilization!
Tchansen
Minecraft... along with bunches of other similar stuff.
Czarcasmm
I scrolled down to make this same comment! Hahah such a great game
GMOmonsterMadeFromAutisticVaccines
Just one more turn!
wiltsjunk
Nothing more frustrating than having 1 turn left to complete and you see another civilization completed it first.
AeonQuasars
A tip in the civ 6 game. Spies so you see progress (later era) and chop Forrest/rainforest for wonders. Have Magnus for more production.
Redisia
you build them just in time for ghandi to nuke them? :D
AeonQuasars
The pyramids and the mausoleum are the only one worth building in civ 6. The others are OK, but it's better to build other stuff instead.
nopost
The good thing about the mausoleum is the ai rarely builds it, so you dont have to worry about it being stolen
AeonQuasars
Artemis and hanging gardens can be great in very spesific circumstances, while lighthouse and Colossus are mostly meh overrated time waste.
LurkerOfDarkness
If for nothing else, build to deprive others of them.
AeonQuasars
Kinda impossible on higher levels. They come so early so you should prioritize for settlers, builders, scouts, districts and units instead.
LurkerOfDarkness
Haven't done the latest 2 iterations, but it hasn't been a much of problem for me before.
AeonQuasars
The thing with mausoleum and pyramids are that they have strong long term benefits. So if you are going to go for wonders those are focus
Pokedthebear
I'm playing civ since civ 2 and evem have the boardgame plus there are many mods to use with extra wonders ?
Pokedthebear
The old boardgame from something 1980.
AeonQuasars
Are the boardgames any fun? Looking for something to play with my family.
Pokedthebear
Don't know the new one. But the old one is gold and if you're a fan of civ since the early days you'll see what path the gamemechanic went.
TheSecondPiewackit
Stonehenge, if you're going for religious victory.
AeonQuasars
Nah. It only gets you a prophet early. Unless you need the early belives bonuses you can easily manage with correct civ or/and holy sites.
TheSecondPiewackit
It gets you an actual religion before anyone else. You can take over half the world before some even get a pantheon.
AeonQuasars
I admit my knowledge of strategies concerning religious victories are limited as it's(along with score) the most boring win condition by far
TheSecondPiewackit
Then, if you don't toast your apostles and leave them one charge, you can amass an army of them. Only take cities with fresh apostles.
TheSecondPiewackit
With stonehenge, you can qualify for religion before even getting a pantheon.
sparkletempt
Can we please start building epic ancient looking buildings again? Also castles.
ChicoSlim
I’ll bring the sheet rock and the Tougher Than the Original Tougher Than Nails. Supposed to be good for up to and including 20 years.
chancellorthwack
Again? Call of the Motherland, Sendai Daikannon, African Renaissance Monument, Guan Yu statue, Genghis Khan Statue.. all built recently
NotTheMamaNotTheMama
Roght? Why did we stop building those, in there 1st place?
webnick
Labor and material costs are the biggest factors, I imagine. These are billion dollar buildings and would not return a profit.
edgeofadhesion
Cost and building time. Extremely expensive and took decades to build, each one.
TheWarHymn
That just sounds like every other municipal road project.
BoredAccountant
Gunpowder and cannon made castles largely obsolete.
zFUBARz
Just ask the walls of Constantinople.
Studoku
Istanbul, not Constantinople.
olafthrig
Well being outnumbered massively probably played just as big a role.
zFUBARz
They'd lasted for centuries till then.
Zreen
If Bombadil or some other traveller were to have gone around ancient Arda, what would that version of Seven Ancient Wonders be?
Ngugi
Like, First Age, or all the first three Ages together?
Zreen
Your choice.
Ngugi
For all three Ages combined I propose Menegroth's royal hall in Doriath, the square of the king in Gondolin, the First Hall in Moria 1/2
Ngugi
Barad-dûr, the Argonath, the royal tree-chamber in Lórien and the walls/steps of Minas Tirith 2/2
FakeAnonymity
Oh wow. Great idea for a LOTR post to add to your series!
BluePaladin42
It'd be hard to get a good glimpse, but Angband would probably count in a horrific sort of way. The Citadel of Osgiliath was also-
BluePaladin42
-considered one of the greatest achievements of human architecture before it's destruction.
DrMetapod
The lonely mountain and Nargothrond could probably contend as well.
Ngugi
Aye, why only seven options makes for a compelling inquiry ^^
Zreen
This being Arda I think 9 would be a more fitting number for a list