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jarhaMarbleSmasher
You found that 1972 MS Word typewriter yet Dan?
nabacular
Science is about questions we can't answer, not answers we can't question.
Sekolah
didntthinkofthat
1 of my student read a book where climate change was called 'advanced air conditioning', would Trump get it if we all called it that?
"Air conditioning is bust, we're melting the ice caps".
NuggetDuster
A process of knowledge...like reporting on forged memos before they were verified Dan?
SkyeMia
GM food aren't bad
ithoughtitwasaboogerbutitsnot
You know what isn’t real? The story you made up about George W Bush in the 2004 election.
IAmCooCooCaChoo
They should call it a vaccine and watch the anti-vaxxers lose their shit
easyriderhere365
The king of fake news.
bilborrax
Maybe it was all the thoughts and prayers finally kicking in?
SemperFiZero
President is just happy to know there's a cure just in case he gets one from one of his hookers.
MechanicalCitrus
Is HIV transmissible through golden showers? The more you know.
TheRealHelmsman
digdoug78
I'm pretty sure it was prayer
ahernandez
You know what else happened? FUNDING FOR FUCKING HIV RESEARCH!!!!
Mansooratyale
pdp1
I am a man of all disciplines of science, including the Sasha Grey type
casbott
She has made some interesting comments.
GuylnTheBack
Sasha Grey 2020. Make America Gape Again
NotEnoughMidgets
Science can't tell you anything about what to do with what it tells you. E.g. nuclear bombs. A cure is more than just science. It has ethics
RadiDaddy
MutteringMisanthrope
Cyractacus
v
Lemuffinmannn
All my tubes and wires!
ThePunishersVengefulBrother
What's the frequency, Kenneth?
SlasherQuan
Thanks for that. I never knew.
RantMannequin
Babatikidido
LateNightBunnyParty
We're best friends now.
TharrickLawson
I was brain-dead, locked out, numb, not up to speed
thebeacon
This asshole was literally run out of the news business for shilling fake news in the 2004 election. That's why he's on twitter and not TV.
Hibbtygibitty
You should check facts. I suppose you’ll try to verify on Fox News.
Explain to me how I'm wrong. He said docs were authenticated by CBS but they were forged. He stepped down over it. Undoubtedly asked by CBS.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killian_documents_controversy
Radandie94
Stem cells is what it was done with.
Lelleth
I see more than one person referring to stem cells being used. It was a myriad of things however, stem cells amongst them. And:not a cure...
TrapsAreIllegal
Science is fake news if it hurts my feeling - Trump probably.
Mooseman1991
DAN MOTHAFUCKIN RATHER!!
KnowYourRoleBlvd
TLDR: science good, better world
TheFastpaws
They need to get in my bionic body before I'm to old to care.
geeratedinboxplease
science leads to knowledge, both of which are neutral. science created the mess we are in of perpetual nuclear threat, for example.
Armored0Titan0
You mean that mess that kept America and Russia from engaging in all-put war?
Science is neutral. Application is what decides morality.
CAntthenuclearapocalypsecomesoicanjustdiealready
The American HIV epidemic was caused by Ronald reagan thought people should die for being gay or an addict and prevented research
It took him years to even mention it in public. We would probably have a cure by now if st ronnie hadn't set us back 10 years
CptFlappy
three Amish people got on imgur just to downvote you claiming science is good. Nah I'm kidding the Amish are much better than these crazies
Although...now that I'm thinking about it do Amish get vaccinated? Do they see real doctors? How do they pay? To the Google!
Upon (briefly)looking into it apparently it varies by community and they are vaccinated at a lower rate but it's becoming more common.
They do occasionally see doctors if they can't avoid it. And they raise funds by performing labor to pay for it.
ThelmaTidwell
The Amish are not fools, like anti-vaxxers. Also, it’s comforting to see someone else who gets excited about totally random things to learn.
Terella
I fully support your educational journey and sharing thereof.
peterdayquil
Dan Rather not put up with bullshit.
ObiHaiv
Yeah, you should google "Killian documents" and revise your statement
untrugby
Dan just creates the bullshit which is why he got his ass fired
brassmule
Except for the bullshit he prints out from MS Word...
crazy3
pixienoire
It's a sad day when politicians are questioning educated scientists who clearly know what they are doing.
DATMMrk12
Of course they should. Please note that I am talking about what should be the ideal, not what actually happens now. Politicians aren't
omniscient, and scientists aren't either. Science is an iterative process, and if they are paid by the public, then they should answer
legitimate questions. Ideally politicians should translate scientific law into good policy. How else are advances going to make it to
improve human life? There is not an infinite amount of resources, so the politicians need to weigh the merits of each situation. Now clearly
that doesn't happen perfectly right now, but that doesn't mean that scientists should be skepticism.
Lifesuckswearahelmet
There still is no cure for HIV. Read the actual story
shuttlecockinakumquat
Nope. I only get information from headlines.
The first person they "cured" still has a form of HIV. The second person underwent bone marrow transplant for cancer and the donor...
I tried to add more but imgur just kept freezing. The other person had a bone marrow transplant for cancer and was a happy accident.
... said "Yo quiero Taco Bell" and promptly drove to Taco Bell after donating the bone marrow
IMayOrMayNotHaveTroubleFindingAndOrChoosingAUsername
Eeeh, 'cure' means "to relieve of the symptoms of a disease or condition" which to my knowledge is exactly what has happened. Unfortunately>
> it includes nuking the person's immune system to a level which kills 50% of cancer patients, so it's not a traditionally "GOOD" cure.
RadicalLeftist
No, but there are 2 people effectively cured and scientific researchers might use those examples to create a cure
djknetic
Not a "cure" but neither patient has any trace of the virus, and the first patient was what, 10 years ago?
quartershadow
The virus integrates into your genome, curing requires that you know there isn't a trace left as it can randomly reactivate.
Yes, this is correct which is why they aren't calling it a cure. But the first patient has been virus free since, so that is good news.
Rumpocalypse
The issue is that its not a treatment that you can really use. There's a reason it's only happened twice.
malachitedragon
Its a start, at least.
atkinsongl
Sounds like a fucking cure to me! *Slaps hand on the table and twirls finger above head* let’s get a beer!
Amousewithchees
But there are milestones and achievements in science that are worth celebrating, and this is one of them.
ClydeTheBelovedBandit
Dont think he is saying we shouldn't, only pointing out hypocrisy in denying science you dont like and then praising science you like.
BeckysaurusRex
Yea idk why we have to immediately start fighting about it, we should just be happy we agree it's good
Bossdogs
Because it's ridiculous that people celebrate the milestone while denigrating the process.
wastedpoptart
Eh,worked at a place that tested the polio vaccine on horses. I can see how polio vaccines can be celebrated without celebrating horse death
Fair enough, but I'm talking more about anti-science rhetoric. E.g. ignoring scientific consensus except when it'
*it's convenient* (accidentally hit enter)
gamer2k4
I guess I don't understand. Are we supposed to not be happy when science brings about good things?
DarkZalgo
He's saying why do people accept it when its happy and something comforting but never when it's difficult and proves we need to change.
MoreAshyThanLarry
Science is all well and good until it costs me money or suggests I change my lifestyle. /s
seafoamistasty
You shouldn't have had to explain that.
There's a lot of things that shouldn't have to be explained but that's the country we live in now.
Hes stating the hypocrisy of climate change deniers such as the president celebrating a scientific achievement like hiv cure
JupitersWitch
The term climate change is just so stupid. It turns literally everything into climate change in order to force it's acceptance. Who could 1/
What about anthropogenic climate change meaning caused by humans specifically our emissions through industrialisation
even coin that term? The climate just changed a few minutes ago. What people need is something very specific which is why pollution is a 2/
better term. It's measurable and effective research is something that can be measured and replicated.
Climate change IS measurable though. Just because you don't understand it doesn't make it wrong.
cobysev
There's a big difference between weather change and climate change. Most do not understand this difference which is why we have this debate.
Nobody sane denies the climate is changing, they question what effect humans have and poor policies that harm economies w minimal effect.
Recent studies show that there is about a 99.999999% (not an exaggeration) chance that humans are causing it.
KartFnocker
Plenty of people deny it's changing, from here to the US senate floor
wtfIm
It’s because of the way the term “climate change” is used that associates with man made and how to “stop climate change” because u can’t.
Only thing we can do is slow it down by minimizing influences of man made pollution. However people deny that our influence is Acceling it
Well when EXPERTS make claims like NYC will be underwater and the Great Lakes will dry up, and they don't happen, can you blame them?
please direct me to the experts saying the great lakes will dry up
TheOneWhoIsBored
Wait till they find out it was done with Stem Cells bwahahaha
Elnuggettato
Hoo boy... hi from November 2020
chainwax
You can't stop me hack-man
VinerialBlumpkin11
Wait till you find out you can get stem cells from things other than dead babies' cord blood.
BananaLover93
they're gonna be steming
Questionmorality
Was it?
Agunslingerborn
I have a friend who has a child that was born with CP. They had a go fund me for experimental stem cell infusions at a university in the 1/2
States. He is almost 4 and could barely crawl before. After 3 infusions, he is lifting himself up and standing. Trying to walk. Science! 2/2
Sephority
My only concern is where the stem cells originated.
ADegenFromUpcountry
From your mom...
ThePiedPiperofRuination
The bone marrow of an adult donor
Raeghir
From a stem cell donor! Same treatment as for leukemia! Anyone can donate aslong as they match MHC alleles basically
mufasa1028
Umbilical cords. That's why they highly recommend you bank the cord
That is actually a really cool concept and I wish it was more popularised
BoooBerry
Wait till we find out damn rather is a fraud. Oops! Too late!
JifLover
But didn't they find out Stem cells you're talking about were actually harmful? So now they use a different kind of stem cell.
ShaneGadsby
Got a source, I've never heard that before, but would def. Want to read more about if true
Can't say I do. Heard it in passing a over the past year. Didn't think much about it since.
BurtTyrannosaurusMacklinFBl
He said stem cells... You just assume hes referencing the wrong ones so you can correct him by saying the same thing?
The comment infers embryonic stem cells by its tone. CLEARLY.
"wait til they find out it was done with stem cells" I think you're projecting
no I think you're just being delusional to make your point. Who's "they" and why would they care it was done with stem cells?
DeadGremlin
LuminousExpanse
it could fix a lot of problems that large swaths of the medical industry are built around still being problems
cinderspires
because of Christian shariah like laws enforcers
Compound515
Make more money in treatment than prevention
whatisimgurallabout
We are but these are super specific cases HIV patient has to get bone marrow transplant which is super risky and donor has to be HIV immune
Halfblod
Iirc, for the cure to take hold you need a bone marrow match who also has a natural immunity to HIV which always sounded rare to me.
saxon2060
Something like 10% in Northern Europeans and west Asians. Rarer elsewhere.
viv680611
Who is anti stem cell?
ImAFoxButNotReally
Gene Hackman
threyon
I thought it was a bone marrow transplant?
bj22
Bone marrow contains many stem cells which is the reason for it being transplanted.
Ahhh, ok. The initial comment was a bit sparse on the details, hence my confusion.
afoley947
Did you even read it? This particular one was with a bone marrow transplant.
Djchoragos
Did...did you? UK patient 'free' of HIV after stem cell treatment http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-47421855
bradleyus
They used bone marrow because it contained stem cells. Did you even read it?
palmo
Not embryonic stem cells though. And it was actually because they were treating their cancers. And they still need antiretrovirals. And (1
This "cure" would not work with most patients because they don't all have the same mutation that allows it to work. (2
ilhares
The first patient isn't taking antivirals anymore. This one may not, after he's had some recovery time. Bone marrow needs to grow.
Last I read they both needed to because while it eliminated it beyond detectable ranges they are still susceptible to a different HIV strain
Retsam19
People only object to embryonic stem cells, not all stem cell research. This wasn't done with embryonic stem cells.
Threns
I have never met someone who objected to stem cell research that understood the issue to that depth. Without fail its "FETUS CELLS EVIL!"
I don't get the downvotes. Are there actually people opposed to stem cell research on grounds other than 'think of the babies'?
Cause I've never once heard an argument against it that didn't invoke fetus stem cells.
thesameasyours
can we scramble embryos, and serve with toast, with a side of bacon?
redmanticore2
american people* and even you did not make straight democracy and informed vote on it, like switzerland type. we eu aRe crAVE thE FeTUs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embryonic_stem_cell#Ethical_debate
"argue that the 5-day old mass of cells is too young to achieve personhood or that the embryo, would otherwise go to medical waste anyway."
ask and ye shall be answered. I just replied to this comment asking this. Didn't they find out embryonic stem cells actually were harmful?
SomeDetroitGuy
No. They just haven't resulted in as many treatments as adult stem cells have
I have a distinct memory of watching or reading something where some stem cell researcher was saying it was causing some form of cancer.
I wouldn't put all my money on that memory but I recall quite distinctly them stating that embryonic stem cells were largely discredited.
FarkasMacTavish
Largely because embryonic stem cell research wasn't getting funding.
That's not true at all.
Most don't know that we can get stem cells from anything else but embryos. Therefore are against all of it.
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GenghisKhanBathedInSherbetIceCream
it was?
Not sure what I said wrong. Many are unaware unassigned cells can come from other places.
Drunktinyoctupuswantstofight
Nothing you said is wrong, you are right but most people don’t know that their knowledge is limited
thoushaltnotpass
Denouncing ignorance is offensive to ignorant people.
Ignorance can be cured. Stupid can't
shyriath
I had someone legitimately get mad at me for trying to explain that not all stem cells came from embryos.
SchmidtyC
Well, pluripotent, yes. Just not omnipotent cells. Those are embryonic only
LadiesInboxMeYourInsecurities
Wasn't a method developed to revert cells to embryonic stem cells?
Embryonic stem cells are pluripotent. Totipotent cells give rise to embryo and placenta. Multipotent cells are locked in to a few cell lines
MrGForce1888
There are people who would rather have HIV in this world than stem cells being used in any way.
TiredOfTheBS
And those people should be executed
IHateSallyField
No. There are people that would rather have OTHER people have HIV. When they have the disease themselves, they’re suddenly more open-minded.
Poopoopeepeevagina
I’ll bet you it’s not the people who were cured
Heavenissize17socks
Then by all means, give them HIV.
terrybrogehiplo
Let’s let those people die and move on then.
Fairdinkums
Natural selection
ilsalta
Not for people. We coddle the stupid instead of letting them get themselves killed off.
Religious lunatics tend to be inflexible and authoritarian. They are pro forced birth not pro life
AliBarber
That's because people still believe that stem cells only come from unborn foetuses.
WyrmsWorks
Even if they did that shouldn't be a problem assuming the remains were obtained legitimately.
UbiquitousLemon
Its the controversy surrounding the harvesting and selling of aborted fetus parts, particularly with PP, and the intentions behind them
Some say PP providers encouraged unneeded abortions for the parts, which they would profit from.
because theres a pope who would rather people get HIV than use condoms. similar story with Christian shariah enforcers
YouBeTrollin
I'm fine with condoms, as a Christian. I'd rather people use condoms than not and later get an abortion.
sweetnaivety
as another Christian, I agree.
imagine1day
The current Pope is actually pretty progressive. I agree with the other commenter, you need to do some research.
maybe its you who need to start doing some research https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/30/pope-francis-condoms-aids-hiv-africa
Okay, number 1, he didn't answer the question either way, and number 2, that article is from 2015.
caedescorvidus
T H E G U A R D I A N
imp00ping
There are people in this world that would rather have mass starvation than GMO animals and crops
DreadPierateRoberts
Their are people who would rather have polio back then vaccinate kids
Raighto
You don't need GMO crops to feed the world... And I guess you are thinking of breeding rather than GMO in case of the animals.
namAehT
In most cases, the difference between selective breeding and GMO is time scale. Sure we could selectively breed a tomato plant to be 1/2
more insect resistant, but that would take hundreds of years. A few years in a lab and it's done. 2/2
Taafish
No
enviro pigs, golden rice? both super beneficial to the world and to humans yet people go against it for reason
ShelbyTheDESTROYER
I’m taking an agriculture class rn and gmos really are great. Crops that make it so less weed killing sprays have to be used and pest...
Resistant crops are incredibly popular because they reduce pollution and pesticide use but people hate the idea of gmos so much and it...
Doesn’t make sense to me. They are scared of “unnatural” things but nothing in the grocery store is natural (and that’s good)
Italipino
There are people in this world who would rather watch the world burn than accept that man is responsible for climate change.
There are people who would rather see deadly diseases return than risk their children get a disorder they would never have gotten anyway.
TheNudeJumper
There are people in this world that have not smelled what the rock is cooking.
Domehammer
There are people in this world that would rather blame man for climate change then realize man just accelerates the natural process.
Natural processes? Do you really think that people who dedicate their lives to studying the climate don't factor in natural processes?
Deadmanwalkn
There are people in this word who would rather let the world burn rather than take steps to decelerate/reverse climate change just because 1
valen00
So that would be man causing climate change then? Doing something in 50 years instead of 5000?
cntdn
There are people in this world that would rather claim I'm a murderer than realize I just accelerated the natural process of dying.
TheShoulderTornado
There are people in this world that don’t know the difference between then and than
purplesheep91
I mean, youre not wrong. But we accelerated it to a point that it's unmanageable by the planet. So, we're still responsible for the damage.
And if natural processes were continuing without human intervention we'd be in the midst of a nice cooling cycle. Thanks to the industrial..
ThatGuyWhoYouThinkYouKnow
There are people in this world who would rather watch the world burn than not watch it burn
ElonFoster
Lmao fuck you silly
MoreHotShowers
There are people in this world.
jarhaMarbleSmasher
You found that 1972 MS Word typewriter yet Dan?
nabacular
Science is about questions we can't answer, not answers we can't question.
Sekolah
didntthinkofthat
1 of my student read a book where climate change was called 'advanced air conditioning', would Trump get it if we all called it that?
didntthinkofthat
"Air conditioning is bust, we're melting the ice caps".
NuggetDuster
A process of knowledge...like reporting on forged memos before they were verified Dan?
SkyeMia
GM food aren't bad
ithoughtitwasaboogerbutitsnot
You know what isn’t real? The story you made up about George W Bush in the 2004 election.
IAmCooCooCaChoo
They should call it a vaccine and watch the anti-vaxxers lose their shit
easyriderhere365
The king of fake news.
bilborrax
Maybe it was all the thoughts and prayers finally kicking in?
SemperFiZero
President is just happy to know there's a cure just in case he gets one from one of his hookers.
MechanicalCitrus
Is HIV transmissible through golden showers? The more you know.
TheRealHelmsman
digdoug78
I'm pretty sure it was prayer
ahernandez
You know what else happened? FUNDING FOR FUCKING HIV RESEARCH!!!!
Mansooratyale
pdp1
I am a man of all disciplines of science, including the Sasha Grey type
casbott
GuylnTheBack
Sasha Grey 2020. Make America Gape Again
NotEnoughMidgets
Science can't tell you anything about what to do with what it tells you. E.g. nuclear bombs. A cure is more than just science. It has ethics
RadiDaddy
MutteringMisanthrope
Cyractacus
Lemuffinmannn
All my tubes and wires!
ThePunishersVengefulBrother
What's the frequency, Kenneth?
SlasherQuan
Thanks for that. I never knew.
RantMannequin
Babatikidido
LateNightBunnyParty
We're best friends now.
TharrickLawson
I was brain-dead, locked out, numb, not up to speed
thebeacon
This asshole was literally run out of the news business for shilling fake news in the 2004 election. That's why he's on twitter and not TV.
Hibbtygibitty
You should check facts. I suppose you’ll try to verify on Fox News.
thebeacon
Explain to me how I'm wrong. He said docs were authenticated by CBS but they were forged. He stepped down over it. Undoubtedly asked by CBS.
thebeacon
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killian_documents_controversy
Radandie94
Stem cells is what it was done with.
Lelleth
I see more than one person referring to stem cells being used. It was a myriad of things however, stem cells amongst them. And:not a cure...
TrapsAreIllegal
Science is fake news if it hurts my feeling - Trump probably.
Mooseman1991
DAN MOTHAFUCKIN RATHER!!
KnowYourRoleBlvd
TLDR: science good, better world
TheFastpaws
They need to get in my bionic body before I'm to old to care.
geeratedinboxplease
science leads to knowledge, both of which are neutral. science created the mess we are in of perpetual nuclear threat, for example.
Armored0Titan0
You mean that mess that kept America and Russia from engaging in all-put war?
Armored0Titan0
Science is neutral. Application is what decides morality.
CAntthenuclearapocalypsecomesoicanjustdiealready
The American HIV epidemic was caused by Ronald reagan thought people should die for being gay or an addict and prevented research
CAntthenuclearapocalypsecomesoicanjustdiealready
It took him years to even mention it in public. We would probably have a cure by now if st ronnie hadn't set us back 10 years
CptFlappy
three Amish people got on imgur just to downvote you claiming science is good. Nah I'm kidding the Amish are much better than these crazies
CptFlappy
Although...now that I'm thinking about it do Amish get vaccinated? Do they see real doctors? How do they pay? To the Google!
CptFlappy
Upon (briefly)looking into it apparently it varies by community and they are vaccinated at a lower rate but it's becoming more common.
CptFlappy
They do occasionally see doctors if they can't avoid it. And they raise funds by performing labor to pay for it.
ThelmaTidwell
The Amish are not fools, like anti-vaxxers. Also, it’s comforting to see someone else who gets excited about totally random things to learn.
Terella
I fully support your educational journey and sharing thereof.
peterdayquil
Dan Rather not put up with bullshit.
ObiHaiv
Yeah, you should google "Killian documents" and revise your statement
untrugby
Dan just creates the bullshit which is why he got his ass fired
brassmule
Except for the bullshit he prints out from MS Word...
crazy3
pixienoire
It's a sad day when politicians are questioning educated scientists who clearly know what they are doing.
DATMMrk12
Of course they should. Please note that I am talking about what should be the ideal, not what actually happens now. Politicians aren't
DATMMrk12
omniscient, and scientists aren't either. Science is an iterative process, and if they are paid by the public, then they should answer
DATMMrk12
legitimate questions. Ideally politicians should translate scientific law into good policy. How else are advances going to make it to
DATMMrk12
improve human life? There is not an infinite amount of resources, so the politicians need to weigh the merits of each situation. Now clearly
DATMMrk12
that doesn't happen perfectly right now, but that doesn't mean that scientists should be skepticism.
Lifesuckswearahelmet
There still is no cure for HIV. Read the actual story
shuttlecockinakumquat
Nope. I only get information from headlines.
Lifesuckswearahelmet
The first person they "cured" still has a form of HIV. The second person underwent bone marrow transplant for cancer and the donor...
Lifesuckswearahelmet
I tried to add more but imgur just kept freezing. The other person had a bone marrow transplant for cancer and was a happy accident.
pdp1
... said "Yo quiero Taco Bell" and promptly drove to Taco Bell after donating the bone marrow
IMayOrMayNotHaveTroubleFindingAndOrChoosingAUsername
Eeeh, 'cure' means "to relieve of the symptoms of a disease or condition" which to my knowledge is exactly what has happened. Unfortunately>
IMayOrMayNotHaveTroubleFindingAndOrChoosingAUsername
> it includes nuking the person's immune system to a level which kills 50% of cancer patients, so it's not a traditionally "GOOD" cure.
RadicalLeftist
No, but there are 2 people effectively cured and scientific researchers might use those examples to create a cure
djknetic
Not a "cure" but neither patient has any trace of the virus, and the first patient was what, 10 years ago?
quartershadow
The virus integrates into your genome, curing requires that you know there isn't a trace left as it can randomly reactivate.
djknetic
Yes, this is correct which is why they aren't calling it a cure. But the first patient has been virus free since, so that is good news.
Rumpocalypse
The issue is that its not a treatment that you can really use. There's a reason it's only happened twice.
malachitedragon
Its a start, at least.
atkinsongl
Sounds like a fucking cure to me! *Slaps hand on the table and twirls finger above head* let’s get a beer!
Amousewithchees
But there are milestones and achievements in science that are worth celebrating, and this is one of them.
ClydeTheBelovedBandit
Dont think he is saying we shouldn't, only pointing out hypocrisy in denying science you dont like and then praising science you like.
BeckysaurusRex
Yea idk why we have to immediately start fighting about it, we should just be happy we agree it's good
Bossdogs
Because it's ridiculous that people celebrate the milestone while denigrating the process.
wastedpoptart
Eh,worked at a place that tested the polio vaccine on horses. I can see how polio vaccines can be celebrated without celebrating horse death
Bossdogs
Fair enough, but I'm talking more about anti-science rhetoric. E.g. ignoring scientific consensus except when it'
Bossdogs
*it's convenient* (accidentally hit enter)
gamer2k4
I guess I don't understand. Are we supposed to not be happy when science brings about good things?
DarkZalgo
He's saying why do people accept it when its happy and something comforting but never when it's difficult and proves we need to change.
MoreAshyThanLarry
Science is all well and good until it costs me money or suggests I change my lifestyle. /s
seafoamistasty
You shouldn't have had to explain that.
DarkZalgo
There's a lot of things that shouldn't have to be explained but that's the country we live in now.
RadicalLeftist
Hes stating the hypocrisy of climate change deniers such as the president celebrating a scientific achievement like hiv cure
JupitersWitch
The term climate change is just so stupid. It turns literally everything into climate change in order to force it's acceptance. Who could 1/
RadicalLeftist
What about anthropogenic climate change meaning caused by humans specifically our emissions through industrialisation
JupitersWitch
even coin that term? The climate just changed a few minutes ago. What people need is something very specific which is why pollution is a 2/
JupitersWitch
better term. It's measurable and effective research is something that can be measured and replicated.
DarkZalgo
Climate change IS measurable though. Just because you don't understand it doesn't make it wrong.
cobysev
There's a big difference between weather change and climate change. Most do not understand this difference which is why we have this debate.
NuggetDuster
Nobody sane denies the climate is changing, they question what effect humans have and poor policies that harm economies w minimal effect.
DarkZalgo
Recent studies show that there is about a 99.999999% (not an exaggeration) chance that humans are causing it.
KartFnocker
Plenty of people deny it's changing, from here to the US senate floor
wtfIm
It’s because of the way the term “climate change” is used that associates with man made and how to “stop climate change” because u can’t.
wtfIm
Only thing we can do is slow it down by minimizing influences of man made pollution. However people deny that our influence is Acceling it
NuggetDuster
Well when EXPERTS make claims like NYC will be underwater and the Great Lakes will dry up, and they don't happen, can you blame them?
KartFnocker
please direct me to the experts saying the great lakes will dry up
TheOneWhoIsBored
Wait till they find out it was done with Stem Cells bwahahaha
Elnuggettato
Hoo boy... hi from November 2020
chainwax
You can't stop me hack-man
VinerialBlumpkin11
Wait till you find out you can get stem cells from things other than dead babies' cord blood.
BananaLover93
they're gonna be steming
Questionmorality
Was it?
Agunslingerborn
I have a friend who has a child that was born with CP. They had a go fund me for experimental stem cell infusions at a university in the 1/2
Agunslingerborn
States. He is almost 4 and could barely crawl before. After 3 infusions, he is lifting himself up and standing. Trying to walk. Science! 2/2
Sephority
My only concern is where the stem cells originated.
ADegenFromUpcountry
From your mom...
ThePiedPiperofRuination
The bone marrow of an adult donor
Raeghir
From a stem cell donor! Same treatment as for leukemia! Anyone can donate aslong as they match MHC alleles basically
mufasa1028
Umbilical cords. That's why they highly recommend you bank the cord
Sephority
That is actually a really cool concept and I wish it was more popularised
BoooBerry
Wait till we find out damn rather is a fraud. Oops! Too late!
JifLover
But didn't they find out Stem cells you're talking about were actually harmful? So now they use a different kind of stem cell.
ShaneGadsby
Got a source, I've never heard that before, but would def. Want to read more about if true
JifLover
Can't say I do. Heard it in passing a over the past year. Didn't think much about it since.
BurtTyrannosaurusMacklinFBl
He said stem cells... You just assume hes referencing the wrong ones so you can correct him by saying the same thing?
JifLover
The comment infers embryonic stem cells by its tone. CLEARLY.
BurtTyrannosaurusMacklinFBl
"wait til they find out it was done with stem cells" I think you're projecting
JifLover
no I think you're just being delusional to make your point. Who's "they" and why would they care it was done with stem cells?
DeadGremlin
LuminousExpanse
it could fix a lot of problems that large swaths of the medical industry are built around still being problems
cinderspires
because of Christian shariah like laws enforcers
Compound515
Make more money in treatment than prevention
whatisimgurallabout
We are but these are super specific cases HIV patient has to get bone marrow transplant which is super risky and donor has to be HIV immune
Halfblod
Iirc, for the cure to take hold you need a bone marrow match who also has a natural immunity to HIV which always sounded rare to me.
saxon2060
Something like 10% in Northern Europeans and west Asians. Rarer elsewhere.
viv680611
Who is anti stem cell?
ImAFoxButNotReally
Gene Hackman
threyon
I thought it was a bone marrow transplant?
bj22
Bone marrow contains many stem cells which is the reason for it being transplanted.
threyon
Ahhh, ok. The initial comment was a bit sparse on the details, hence my confusion.
afoley947
Did you even read it? This particular one was with a bone marrow transplant.
Djchoragos
Did...did you? UK patient 'free' of HIV after stem cell treatment http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-47421855
bradleyus
They used bone marrow because it contained stem cells. Did you even read it?
palmo
Not embryonic stem cells though. And it was actually because they were treating their cancers. And they still need antiretrovirals. And (1
palmo
This "cure" would not work with most patients because they don't all have the same mutation that allows it to work. (2
ilhares
The first patient isn't taking antivirals anymore. This one may not, after he's had some recovery time. Bone marrow needs to grow.
palmo
Last I read they both needed to because while it eliminated it beyond detectable ranges they are still susceptible to a different HIV strain
Retsam19
People only object to embryonic stem cells, not all stem cell research. This wasn't done with embryonic stem cells.
Threns
I have never met someone who objected to stem cell research that understood the issue to that depth. Without fail its "FETUS CELLS EVIL!"
Threns
I don't get the downvotes. Are there actually people opposed to stem cell research on grounds other than 'think of the babies'?
Threns
Cause I've never once heard an argument against it that didn't invoke fetus stem cells.
thesameasyours
can we scramble embryos, and serve with toast, with a side of bacon?
redmanticore2
american people* and even you did not make straight democracy and informed vote on it, like switzerland type. we eu aRe crAVE thE FeTUs
redmanticore2
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embryonic_stem_cell#Ethical_debate
redmanticore2
"argue that the 5-day old mass of cells is too young to achieve personhood or that the embryo, would otherwise go to medical waste anyway."
JifLover
ask and ye shall be answered. I just replied to this comment asking this. Didn't they find out embryonic stem cells actually were harmful?
SomeDetroitGuy
No. They just haven't resulted in as many treatments as adult stem cells have
JifLover
I have a distinct memory of watching or reading something where some stem cell researcher was saying it was causing some form of cancer.
JifLover
I wouldn't put all my money on that memory but I recall quite distinctly them stating that embryonic stem cells were largely discredited.
FarkasMacTavish
Largely because embryonic stem cell research wasn't getting funding.
SomeDetroitGuy
That's not true at all.
Sephority
Most don't know that we can get stem cells from anything else but embryos. Therefore are against all of it.
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GenghisKhanBathedInSherbetIceCream
it was?
Sephority
Not sure what I said wrong. Many are unaware unassigned cells can come from other places.
Drunktinyoctupuswantstofight
Nothing you said is wrong, you are right but most people don’t know that their knowledge is limited
thoushaltnotpass
Denouncing ignorance is offensive to ignorant people.
Sephority
Ignorance can be cured. Stupid can't
shyriath
I had someone legitimately get mad at me for trying to explain that not all stem cells came from embryos.
SchmidtyC
Well, pluripotent, yes. Just not omnipotent cells. Those are embryonic only
LadiesInboxMeYourInsecurities
Wasn't a method developed to revert cells to embryonic stem cells?
ThePiedPiperofRuination
Embryonic stem cells are pluripotent. Totipotent cells give rise to embryo and placenta. Multipotent cells are locked in to a few cell lines
MrGForce1888
There are people who would rather have HIV in this world than stem cells being used in any way.
TiredOfTheBS
And those people should be executed
IHateSallyField
No. There are people that would rather have OTHER people have HIV. When they have the disease themselves, they’re suddenly more open-minded.
Poopoopeepeevagina
I’ll bet you it’s not the people who were cured
Heavenissize17socks
Then by all means, give them HIV.
terrybrogehiplo
Let’s let those people die and move on then.
Fairdinkums
Natural selection
ilsalta
Not for people. We coddle the stupid instead of letting them get themselves killed off.
CAntthenuclearapocalypsecomesoicanjustdiealready
Religious lunatics tend to be inflexible and authoritarian. They are pro forced birth not pro life
AliBarber
That's because people still believe that stem cells only come from unborn foetuses.
WyrmsWorks
Even if they did that shouldn't be a problem assuming the remains were obtained legitimately.
UbiquitousLemon
Its the controversy surrounding the harvesting and selling of aborted fetus parts, particularly with PP, and the intentions behind them
UbiquitousLemon
Some say PP providers encouraged unneeded abortions for the parts, which they would profit from.
cinderspires
because theres a pope who would rather people get HIV than use condoms. similar story with Christian shariah enforcers
YouBeTrollin
I'm fine with condoms, as a Christian. I'd rather people use condoms than not and later get an abortion.
sweetnaivety
as another Christian, I agree.
imagine1day
The current Pope is actually pretty progressive. I agree with the other commenter, you need to do some research.
cinderspires
maybe its you who need to start doing some research https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/30/pope-francis-condoms-aids-hiv-africa
imagine1day
Okay, number 1, he didn't answer the question either way, and number 2, that article is from 2015.
caedescorvidus
T H E G U A R D I A N
imp00ping
There are people in this world that would rather have mass starvation than GMO animals and crops
DreadPierateRoberts
Their are people who would rather have polio back then vaccinate kids
Raighto
You don't need GMO crops to feed the world... And I guess you are thinking of breeding rather than GMO in case of the animals.
namAehT
In most cases, the difference between selective breeding and GMO is time scale. Sure we could selectively breed a tomato plant to be 1/2
namAehT
more insect resistant, but that would take hundreds of years. A few years in a lab and it's done. 2/2
Taafish
No
imp00ping
enviro pigs, golden rice? both super beneficial to the world and to humans yet people go against it for reason
ShelbyTheDESTROYER
I’m taking an agriculture class rn and gmos really are great. Crops that make it so less weed killing sprays have to be used and pest...
ShelbyTheDESTROYER
Resistant crops are incredibly popular because they reduce pollution and pesticide use but people hate the idea of gmos so much and it...
ShelbyTheDESTROYER
Doesn’t make sense to me. They are scared of “unnatural” things but nothing in the grocery store is natural (and that’s good)
Italipino
There are people in this world who would rather watch the world burn than accept that man is responsible for climate change.
ilsalta
There are people who would rather see deadly diseases return than risk their children get a disorder they would never have gotten anyway.
TheNudeJumper
There are people in this world that have not smelled what the rock is cooking.
Domehammer
There are people in this world that would rather blame man for climate change then realize man just accelerates the natural process.
Italipino
Natural processes? Do you really think that people who dedicate their lives to studying the climate don't factor in natural processes?
Deadmanwalkn
There are people in this word who would rather let the world burn rather than take steps to decelerate/reverse climate change just because 1
valen00
So that would be man causing climate change then? Doing something in 50 years instead of 5000?
cntdn
There are people in this world that would rather claim I'm a murderer than realize I just accelerated the natural process of dying.
TheShoulderTornado
There are people in this world that don’t know the difference between then and than
purplesheep91
I mean, youre not wrong. But we accelerated it to a point that it's unmanageable by the planet. So, we're still responsible for the damage.
Italipino
And if natural processes were continuing without human intervention we'd be in the midst of a nice cooling cycle. Thanks to the industrial..
ThatGuyWhoYouThinkYouKnow
There are people in this world who would rather watch the world burn than not watch it burn
ElonFoster
Lmao fuck you silly
MoreHotShowers
There are people in this world.