Apr 18, 2021 2:02 AM
DrVenture420
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scootwhoman
'Self-policing' does not work when bullies are the police. Weak men trying to appear strong.
Sklitovic
1312
drifter271200242
The police are nothing more than government sponsored gangs.
SoniChan
The good cops that turn in the bad cops are often ignored or fired.
pakz
All cats are beauties.
AgamemnonsMemes
A cop stopped a choke hold, got fired and it took 15 years to get vindicated in court
iHateMyselfButIHateYouMore
And the corrupt people and systems that did that are still fine and operating/unpunished. The settlement was taken out of the general fund
phocalpoint
I see what they did there...
TheMadOnion
becauseurwrong
My uncle's cop career included turning in a dirty cop, and his own brother. But this was a small New England town so could be an outlier.
beetlebailey33
Are the 1312 in one department or as a cop in Texas, am I bad for what corrupt cops do in other states?
Digitalwolf
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
Great context bro.....
Ponderpoo
Good cops eventually quit. Bad cops retire.
vitaminalgas
The code of silence is a cancer to the Brotherhood
knifiespoonie
Maybe calling it a brotherhood is also a dumb as fuck idea
laughoutloud74
It's funny because criminals have the same "code", don't be a rat.
Solkanarmy
so do children in the playground
LeJoop
Well, the bully’s do
fknbastard
Disarm the police.
CoarseAndSalty
I feel like there were 12 bad cops this week alone. I mean it's one thing to say "Some bad cops" but honestly you gotta show the good ones.
thrashingcows
Whelp they’re not wrong...
LongoloidFartExplosion
Well actually they are, because the chances of all 1300 cops witnessing the misdemeanours of any of the 12 are miniscule.
aleister94
B-BUT I SAW A COP PLAYING BASKETBALL WITH A BLACK KID ON THE INTERNET AND A PIC OF A CUTE K9 DOG THEYRE SO RELATABLE /s
samwyze
I wonder how many people feared for their lives when cops were tricking people to pull over to give them ice cream.
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AranaDiscoteca
Good cop turns in dirty cop, system ignores them because it's always ignored these things, other bad cops find out about good cop and punish
Maybe even do things like drive by the good cop's house, mild physical aggression, see good cop assigned to crap duties away from everything
DubhIainn
If you have 300 million good and kind US-Americans and 28 million racist dickheads...
oplekv2
... and 272 million people trying to "turn them in"
They're not. At the end of the day, its always them vs us - and we aint the bad ones. When do we realise that they are us? The worst of a >
> community, become the image of the community if the good ones don't speak up. If they don't take ownership of the shit and prosecute.
thecomfycat
FuttBuckit
13 12 is another way of saying ACAB. I try to fill up rhe gas in my car to $13.12 almost every time.
ahernandez
Isn’t the metaphor “a few bad apples will spoil the bunch”... isn’t that the point of the parable?
Redgamer155
Not only that, you have a system that condemns the good cops for speaking out and reporting the bad cops. Shits so fucked up
DahPanda72
THIS!! THIS!!! My brother is a cop and he left his dream position due to how co-workers treated civilians. He knows he can't speak out.
RaffiWaffi
You mean the thin blue line? How fucked up is it that it's even on US flags now, like how is that even legal?
magicrhombus
Condemns, sabotages, fires, harasses to the point of suicide.
WarmTreeSpicyRock
Yup. Cops who conform and look out for eachother are given promotions and raises. Cops who speak up and dont conform are harassed and fired
ToneLock
like in every other criminal organization....... let that sink in.
crypresthesia
It's not just cops. It's DA's/prosecutors as well. Because they have to work with the police and don't want to seem like they betrayed them.
erischilde
This is important and left out: da's can be shit, and the system them enforce is shit. Da's and judges may not kill in the street...
gir28311
Well technically I would imagine that in a population that size it's rediculous to assume the entire 1300 know what or who these 12 are
gaidinbdj
People are bad at math. If you found 10 bad cops every single day for a year, you're talking about less than half a percent of cops.
It's literally the same though process as racists. Cherry-pick a few prominent bad examples and say "see, they're obviously all like that."
redditmcredditface
no, you still have good cops that need to be trained to speak up. Lets not lump all cops into the bad pile or we will get more bad cops.
HoneyAppleTea
The idea is that even if good cops exist, they make no difference in the behaviour of the bad cops and if they try they get fired or worse
We need new educated cops that have skin in the game and a desire to improve communities. unions shield them from any real consequence.
and we wont need as many cops if we focus on the early childhood experience, we cant do that with unhealthy communities.
Its a commentary on the system as a whole as much as it is about the individual people
thesameasyours
Its like an apple pie of cops, theyre all mixed and baked in together
baals
Better with cinnamon sugar
toewsy
Dont know bout you, but I'll have the social services and moral accountability waffles instead
Ill pour some lowering crime by lifting the poor out of poverty blueberry compote
OneTheory
I'll have a banana nut muffin
How bout some mental health services instead of military surplus mud pie
RubyPorto
If there are 9 Nazis sitting at a table and you sit down with them, there are 10 Nazis sitting at a table.
GadenKerensky
*Sits down with the Nazis* I hope you all enjoy the lovely dinner! *Hides the cyanide bottle in a pocket*
I probably misremembered the saying
FidibusBjrnus
1) If the majority of the 1300 good cops don’t know the 12 bad cops, then how can they do anything about it?
2) Maybe 48 cops know the 12 bad cops, so it’s only a total of 60 bad cops. It’s only the 48 who are in a position to do anything.
IpostSources
No. That's not how it works. If you're part of a profession, you instantly gain total knowledge of all the bad activities of everybody...
...else in that profession and finding out even one of them did something wrong means that nobody else ever gets get benefit of the doubt...
...ever again. Don't try to confuse things with your librul "math" and "logic."
stevencloser
Also a lot more than 48 cops know of Chauvin, at least now.
Those 48 know others again that they can tell about it.
Dinos91
1312 is ACAB, just letting y'all know
FailedCrate
So? Tho I'd add another 1 for "Almost". The point is still true.
ufindjosh1
1312 is also the across the street neighbors of the Munsters on Mockingbird lane
Flabort
And for those who don't memorize abbreviations, ACAB means....?
AlwaysDownvoteDots
All cops are bastards
TheGalacticLeprechaunwithtinynipples
It's also the year the templars were disbanded
Potatoesman
Thank you Information I would not otherwise know of..
NinjaGrizzlyBear
What about a 2319?
tgeliot
Can someone clue me in here? BCAI?
Monsters Inc 2319 scene
tattoogigolo
WS... White Sock
nonCanadianGoose
Yea, but by that logic peaceful protestors are guilty of property destruction because they did nothing to stop the others. Part of empathy>
hitthatbomb
We can’t possibly hold BLM to that high of a standard, way too high of a bar to ask for unity, common decency, and adherence to the law.
ringwood
Thanks for being there voice of reason. I live in MN and I'm tired of people that don't live here blaming white supremacists and boogie boys
for the riots and burning down businesses. Because it isn't.
White supremacists and boogaloo were literally indicted for doing just that.
And all the BLM supporters that were arrested mean nothing to you right? Gotcha
>is being able to apply the same standards to oneself. It’s what equality is all about. The implied complicity is the justification the >
>LEO to justify their actions. It wrong applied to citizens so it’s wrong applied to cops.
nvrclr
What’s a police officers job?
No, enforcing the law is a cop's JOB.
sweetfeetpete
Idk, I’m okay with holding cops to a higher standard when it comes to law enforcement
Like how we hold pilots to a higher standard when it comes to not crashing airplanes
ImGooder
Also the unions focusing on keeping bad cops on the job is pretty shitty. We need need completely new system.
tdstar
That's no unions, they're fraternities.
CraftyGiant
What you mean the police union system designed by a literal american nazi (american bund member) isn't going well?
It seems not.
criticalmassdriver
It is sad that I have to ask you to which particular police Nazi you were referring? I'm thinking red squad and the silver shirts.
"Otto Meiners"
I'm referring to the american bund nazi who founded PPA the portland union, first in the nation, model for MANY others.
Yeah that's who I thought They ran the Red squad and then the silver shirts out of ppa.
I've heard about the red squad once before but not the silver shirts, anything online to read about this?
CptJohnYossarian
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." Edmund Burke
ICapitalizeTheBeginningOfEachWord
"They Say 'Evil Prevails When Good Men Fail To Act. What They Should Say Is 'Evil Prevails.'" -Lord Of War
GorillaPowers
"Nooooooooooo!" - Darth Vader
ElroydIsGone
IIRC, the original quote was "".
Newlife5454
-Michael Gretzky
Nope not even in the running.
Allthegoodnamesweretakenbeckygod
Wayne Scott
Harryteeters
ActuallyAPirate
I think the monseigneur finally gets the point
dawggunner
THANK YOU
BennyT1000
In Nomine Patris, et Fili, et Spiritus Sancti.
markmcn87
You also need a spinning chair and a white cat. A facial scar wouldn't go amiss either
Nah, John Stuart Mill, said it in 1867. Burke paraphrased it slightly. Then JFK quoted Burke.
pinatafarmer
And Oswald took that personally
“Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing.” - JS Mill
libaf
Burke said something similar in 1700's in a letter. https://www.openculture.com/2016/03/edmund-burkeon-in-action.html
Hmm, His is markedly different. certainly not a direct quote of the same content but similar.
My source https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/top-10-misattributed-quotations-a7910361.html
Funny as always, that the definition 9f "good men" for burke was fairly exclusive. What with him being one of the loudest voicea in >
the conspiracy theory that there was a conspiracy of jewish bankers who caused the french revolution. Basically adopted verbatim by the >
senseicombs
Doing nothing doesn't change a good man into a bad one. It takes extraordinary people to stand against evil w/o knowing if you have back up.
skwint
It is possible to be neutral. To take no action against evil but not to be inherently good, but ...
... being a cop and being neutral means your a very bad cop.
Why is that? Cops are supposed to be neutral. They uphold the law even if the law is bad. They upheld slavery when it was legal too.
Let me be more precise then. Being a cop and standing to one side _only_for_other_cops_ means you are choosing a team, and that team is evil
BaconAndBoobsAndBackflips
I respectfully disagree. Anyone can be good when it doesn’t require any efforts. Being a good man is doing what’s right even when it’s hard.
True but a lot of people can be bad when it takes no effort to be good too. To your 2nd point, you can be good even if everyone else is too.
Being good doesn't have to be hard, it just can be. You can't expect everyone to be William Wallace. It's better if we all fight together.
yamidan
Generally I’d agree. In the example of Police doing nothing against bad makes them bad too. It’s literally their job to go against the bad.
scootwhoman
'Self-policing' does not work when bullies are the police. Weak men trying to appear strong.
Sklitovic
1312
drifter271200242
The police are nothing more than government sponsored gangs.
SoniChan
The good cops that turn in the bad cops are often ignored or fired.
pakz
All cats are beauties.
AgamemnonsMemes
A cop stopped a choke hold, got fired and it took 15 years to get vindicated in court
iHateMyselfButIHateYouMore
And the corrupt people and systems that did that are still fine and operating/unpunished. The settlement was taken out of the general fund
phocalpoint
I see what they did there...
TheMadOnion
becauseurwrong
My uncle's cop career included turning in a dirty cop, and his own brother. But this was a small New England town so could be an outlier.
beetlebailey33
Are the 1312 in one department or as a cop in Texas, am I bad for what corrupt cops do in other states?
Digitalwolf
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
Great context bro.....
Ponderpoo
Good cops eventually quit. Bad cops retire.
vitaminalgas
The code of silence is a cancer to the Brotherhood
knifiespoonie
Maybe calling it a brotherhood is also a dumb as fuck idea
laughoutloud74
It's funny because criminals have the same "code", don't be a rat.
Solkanarmy
so do children in the playground
LeJoop
Well, the bully’s do
fknbastard
Disarm the police.
CoarseAndSalty
I feel like there were 12 bad cops this week alone. I mean it's one thing to say "Some bad cops" but honestly you gotta show the good ones.
thrashingcows
Whelp they’re not wrong...
LongoloidFartExplosion
Well actually they are, because the chances of all 1300 cops witnessing the misdemeanours of any of the 12 are miniscule.
aleister94
B-BUT I SAW A COP PLAYING BASKETBALL WITH A BLACK KID ON THE INTERNET AND A PIC OF A CUTE K9 DOG THEYRE SO RELATABLE /s
samwyze
I wonder how many people feared for their lives when cops were tricking people to pull over to give them ice cream.
[deleted]
[deleted]
AranaDiscoteca
Good cop turns in dirty cop, system ignores them because it's always ignored these things, other bad cops find out about good cop and punish
AranaDiscoteca
Maybe even do things like drive by the good cop's house, mild physical aggression, see good cop assigned to crap duties away from everything
DubhIainn
If you have 300 million good and kind US-Americans and 28 million racist dickheads...
oplekv2
... and 272 million people trying to "turn them in"
DubhIainn
They're not. At the end of the day, its always them vs us - and we aint the bad ones. When do we realise that they are us? The worst of a >
DubhIainn
> community, become the image of the community if the good ones don't speak up. If they don't take ownership of the shit and prosecute.
thecomfycat
FuttBuckit
13 12 is another way of saying ACAB. I try to fill up rhe gas in my car to $13.12 almost every time.
ahernandez
Isn’t the metaphor “a few bad apples will spoil the bunch”... isn’t that the point of the parable?
Redgamer155
Not only that, you have a system that condemns the good cops for speaking out and reporting the bad cops. Shits so fucked up
DahPanda72
THIS!! THIS!!! My brother is a cop and he left his dream position due to how co-workers treated civilians. He knows he can't speak out.
RaffiWaffi
You mean the thin blue line? How fucked up is it that it's even on US flags now, like how is that even legal?
magicrhombus
Condemns, sabotages, fires, harasses to the point of suicide.
WarmTreeSpicyRock
Yup. Cops who conform and look out for eachother are given promotions and raises. Cops who speak up and dont conform are harassed and fired
ToneLock
like in every other criminal organization....... let that sink in.
crypresthesia
It's not just cops. It's DA's/prosecutors as well. Because they have to work with the police and don't want to seem like they betrayed them.
erischilde
This is important and left out: da's can be shit, and the system them enforce is shit. Da's and judges may not kill in the street...
gir28311
Well technically I would imagine that in a population that size it's rediculous to assume the entire 1300 know what or who these 12 are
gaidinbdj
People are bad at math. If you found 10 bad cops every single day for a year, you're talking about less than half a percent of cops.
gaidinbdj
It's literally the same though process as racists. Cherry-pick a few prominent bad examples and say "see, they're obviously all like that."
redditmcredditface
no, you still have good cops that need to be trained to speak up. Lets not lump all cops into the bad pile or we will get more bad cops.
HoneyAppleTea
The idea is that even if good cops exist, they make no difference in the behaviour of the bad cops and if they try they get fired or worse
redditmcredditface
We need new educated cops that have skin in the game and a desire to improve communities. unions shield them from any real consequence.
redditmcredditface
and we wont need as many cops if we focus on the early childhood experience, we cant do that with unhealthy communities.
HoneyAppleTea
Its a commentary on the system as a whole as much as it is about the individual people
thesameasyours
Its like an apple pie of cops, theyre all mixed and baked in together
baals
Better with cinnamon sugar
toewsy
Dont know bout you, but I'll have the social services and moral accountability waffles instead
thesameasyours
Ill pour some lowering crime by lifting the poor out of poverty blueberry compote
OneTheory
I'll have a banana nut muffin
baals
How bout some mental health services instead of military surplus mud pie
RubyPorto
If there are 9 Nazis sitting at a table and you sit down with them, there are 10 Nazis sitting at a table.
GadenKerensky
*Sits down with the Nazis* I hope you all enjoy the lovely dinner! *Hides the cyanide bottle in a pocket*
[deleted]
[deleted]
RubyPorto
I probably misremembered the saying
FidibusBjrnus
1) If the majority of the 1300 good cops don’t know the 12 bad cops, then how can they do anything about it?
FidibusBjrnus
2) Maybe 48 cops know the 12 bad cops, so it’s only a total of 60 bad cops. It’s only the 48 who are in a position to do anything.
IpostSources
gaidinbdj
No. That's not how it works. If you're part of a profession, you instantly gain total knowledge of all the bad activities of everybody...
gaidinbdj
...else in that profession and finding out even one of them did something wrong means that nobody else ever gets get benefit of the doubt...
gaidinbdj
...ever again. Don't try to confuse things with your librul "math" and "logic."
stevencloser
Also a lot more than 48 cops know of Chauvin, at least now.
stevencloser
Those 48 know others again that they can tell about it.
Dinos91
1312 is ACAB, just letting y'all know
FailedCrate
So? Tho I'd add another 1 for "Almost". The point is still true.
ufindjosh1
1312 is also the across the street neighbors of the Munsters on Mockingbird lane
Flabort
And for those who don't memorize abbreviations, ACAB means....?
AlwaysDownvoteDots
All cops are bastards
TheGalacticLeprechaunwithtinynipples
It's also the year the templars were disbanded
Potatoesman
Thank you Information I would not otherwise know of..
NinjaGrizzlyBear
What about a 2319?
tgeliot
Can someone clue me in here? BCAI?
NinjaGrizzlyBear
Monsters Inc 2319 scene
tattoogigolo
WS... White Sock
nonCanadianGoose
Yea, but by that logic peaceful protestors are guilty of property destruction because they did nothing to stop the others. Part of empathy>
hitthatbomb
We can’t possibly hold BLM to that high of a standard, way too high of a bar to ask for unity, common decency, and adherence to the law.
ringwood
Thanks for being there voice of reason. I live in MN and I'm tired of people that don't live here blaming white supremacists and boogie boys
ringwood
for the riots and burning down businesses. Because it isn't.
stevencloser
White supremacists and boogaloo were literally indicted for doing just that.
ringwood
And all the BLM supporters that were arrested mean nothing to you right? Gotcha
nonCanadianGoose
>is being able to apply the same standards to oneself. It’s what equality is all about. The implied complicity is the justification the >
nonCanadianGoose
>LEO to justify their actions. It wrong applied to citizens so it’s wrong applied to cops.
nvrclr
What’s a police officers job?
tgeliot
No, enforcing the law is a cop's JOB.
sweetfeetpete
Idk, I’m okay with holding cops to a higher standard when it comes to law enforcement
sweetfeetpete
Like how we hold pilots to a higher standard when it comes to not crashing airplanes
ImGooder
Also the unions focusing on keeping bad cops on the job is pretty shitty. We need need completely new system.
tdstar
That's no unions, they're fraternities.
CraftyGiant
What you mean the police union system designed by a literal american nazi (american bund member) isn't going well?
ImGooder
It seems not.
criticalmassdriver
It is sad that I have to ask you to which particular police Nazi you were referring? I'm thinking red squad and the silver shirts.
CraftyGiant
"Otto Meiners"
CraftyGiant
I'm referring to the american bund nazi who founded PPA the portland union, first in the nation, model for MANY others.
criticalmassdriver
Yeah that's who I thought They ran the Red squad and then the silver shirts out of ppa.
CraftyGiant
I've heard about the red squad once before but not the silver shirts, anything online to read about this?
CptJohnYossarian
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." Edmund Burke
ICapitalizeTheBeginningOfEachWord
"They Say 'Evil Prevails When Good Men Fail To Act. What They Should Say Is 'Evil Prevails.'" -Lord Of War
GorillaPowers
"Nooooooooooo!" - Darth Vader
ElroydIsGone
IIRC, the original quote was "".
Newlife5454
-Michael Gretzky
CraftyGiant
Nope not even in the running.
Allthegoodnamesweretakenbeckygod
Wayne Scott
Harryteeters
ActuallyAPirate
I think the monseigneur finally gets the point
dawggunner
THANK YOU
BennyT1000
In Nomine Patris, et Fili, et Spiritus Sancti.
markmcn87
You also need a spinning chair and a white cat. A facial scar wouldn't go amiss either
CraftyGiant
Nah, John Stuart Mill, said it in 1867. Burke paraphrased it slightly. Then JFK quoted Burke.
pinatafarmer
And Oswald took that personally
CraftyGiant
“Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing.” - JS Mill
libaf
Burke said something similar in 1700's in a letter. https://www.openculture.com/2016/03/edmund-burkeon-in-action.html
CraftyGiant
Hmm, His is markedly different. certainly not a direct quote of the same content but similar.
CraftyGiant
My source https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/top-10-misattributed-quotations-a7910361.html
libaf
Funny as always, that the definition 9f "good men" for burke was fairly exclusive. What with him being one of the loudest voicea in >
libaf
the conspiracy theory that there was a conspiracy of jewish bankers who caused the french revolution. Basically adopted verbatim by the >
senseicombs
Doing nothing doesn't change a good man into a bad one. It takes extraordinary people to stand against evil w/o knowing if you have back up.
skwint
It is possible to be neutral. To take no action against evil but not to be inherently good, but ...
skwint
... being a cop and being neutral means your a very bad cop.
senseicombs
Why is that? Cops are supposed to be neutral. They uphold the law even if the law is bad. They upheld slavery when it was legal too.
skwint
Let me be more precise then. Being a cop and standing to one side _only_for_other_cops_ means you are choosing a team, and that team is evil
BaconAndBoobsAndBackflips
I respectfully disagree. Anyone can be good when it doesn’t require any efforts. Being a good man is doing what’s right even when it’s hard.
senseicombs
True but a lot of people can be bad when it takes no effort to be good too. To your 2nd point, you can be good even if everyone else is too.
senseicombs
Being good doesn't have to be hard, it just can be. You can't expect everyone to be William Wallace. It's better if we all fight together.
yamidan
Generally I’d agree. In the example of Police doing nothing against bad makes them bad too. It’s literally their job to go against the bad.