Dec 15, 2017 1:24 AM
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Wowee, thanks everyone.
feetred
There's a short story that explains it away by saying the guns are POS with crooked sights etc
AnotherLowski
"The movie is called 'The Fugitive', it's not called 'Caught after five minutes'"
slappy55
DapperLordDestral
Which actually makes in-world sense, since theyre all dispensible clones
Killabob
All the new canon books confirm this. Read "From A Certain Point Of View" it's awesome. Whole chapter on the mouse droid!!!!
Lordrednaught
Maybe the Force blurs the vision of the troopers or puts them off balance making them miss.
Cheomesh
Yeah, we know.
yomommalaid
I have a better question. Who cares?
Sapherno11
Finally, Thank you. I've been saying this for YEARS now -.-
IwentLookingForWhatTheBiggestIdiotHasToSayAndHereYouAre
I mostly chalk it up to lucas being a pretty shit writer.
Bigol284
Who knows... maybe it would be better to have the whole family at the BBQ
ironjudas
VioletMoonRising
Or. You know. Lucas is an awful writer but with a great idea/world building. Harry Potter is the same way, it's like 70% plot-hole.
fdoyl001
But it's all addressed *in the movie*, multiple times, by multiple characters.Like, letting the heroes escape was literally *the whole plot*
OnlyMathua
So What you are saying is. The Jar Jar Theory is real.
Cabaltrainee
Always nice to see how people defend plot armor.
Always nice to see people explaining What plot armor is to people who can't even explain why they don't like a movie
Akillesursinne
This argument is shit. Are you saying that soldiers were okay with missing and dying? Geez, come on.
KamahlTenderfoot
kcgoalie31
He has an Imgur account
Mechwarrior719
Every time I see this GIF I imagine the walrus er... Jamie is playing Destination Unknown by Missing Persons
BababaMoooya1
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stronomer
"Luke dies. The end." Similar to "Walter gets his chemotherapy. The end."
ThatsNoMoonItsaSpaceStation
Peeledpotato
Someday I hope to wake up, go outside and see that bad boy pointed this way
CptRobotNinja
Fuck that right in the tooter
Jeffjustgothere
Dude I would shit my pants and make my peace, if I saw that in the sky
ionlycommentwithgifsandpics
Username checks out
CluelessLurker
That's no username... I have a bad feeling about this...
Tybar
Username... Does not check out in this case.
bundleofwoodensticks
Agreed
intvlan1shut
Cool but a slight reflection (in the water) of the DS would put this over the top.
DarianStephens
I tried, don't know if I succeeded... so I let you be the judge! /a/pEHzO
JakeMcAwesome
You did well friend
TormentedPenguin
The rebels surrendered to the Ewoks rather then destroy them. The imperials missed Han who was standing still, #can'thitshit
kr18
No they didn't they got caught in a trap because Chewbacca couldn't keep his hands off the meat trap
deadeyelee
they hit Leia and R2
SingingandDancingInTheRain
I think your analysis missed the point.
JediMasterStackDaos
Its called the long con and Palpatine is good at it
TerminalGear
Don't forget, in any Star Wars video game the stormtroopers are way more accurate than in the movies-1/2
But that probably has more to do with you being able to take multiple shots to the face and not die. -2/2
FunFax
I will never understand why people put so much thought into coming up with theories to explain the films. It's like spending a dozen 1/2
hours analyzing what an artist already acknowledges was a coffee stain. You can that it represents this or that or whatever, but the real2/3
answer is always "I don't know, we didn't actually put that much thought into it ok?" 3/3
therealzerobot
“Always”
It's fun. Hell right now I'm taking an old video game universe and detailing it up into a full-on Role Play Game setting.
Angrytheologian
Or consider the fact that palpatine allowed them to get the codes. Lower the shield all in order to catch them all in one strike...
Abysse
Palpatine was a true Sith
bigmfmike
redbagelpuppies
Why couldn't he change the codes?
absolutezero182
He allowed them to get the codes to bait them into an attack, but have the shield still up. 1/2
"Oh i'm afraid the shield will be quite operational when your friends arrive" 2/2
Epicentr
That... That's what they just said?
LootenetDan
Obi-wan also says the lightsaber is elegant, not random like a blaster. Apparently they need some strong stabilization
He is absolutely correct. A lightsaber hilt has minor idiosyncracies that build up as the hilt moves, which is why its so dangerous for any
Non Jedi to handle a lightsaber. They don't have the reflexes needed to be able to catch those mini spins while its in motion.
AConvenientSwarmofBees
Plus, Luke says that he can barely see when wearing a stormtrooper's helmet, so they must have some pretty limited vision
IronCore
http://www.starwarsreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/10928995_738270902924917_659436711513081287_n.jpg
I always figured that was because he was...well, wearing oversized armor.
Doctadeth
Plus the fact he's not been remotely trained to use the armor in the first place. Possibly onscreen HUD, and so forth
DatDarthCaedus
In the EU they had electronic HUDs that covered the entire visor... Caedus once used the Force against a group of Stormtroopers to 1/2
blast static over their HUDs, forcing them to shoot blindly or remove their helmets as he casually strolled up to them.
drKriegerSan
So what did people think of the last Jedi? It has gotten very mixed reception, so what you guys think? WARNING - thread may contain spoilers
Wowyouknowwhatsomanyusernamesaretakenthesedays
The new director just decided to take Abrams setup for awesome plots and throw it away.
losboccacc
it's quite too linear and major character have just token deaths for no reason, gain or plot development, but, all in all, entertaining.
bluthsfrozenbananas
I liked it. It had some pretty cool uses of the force that I'd always wanted to see on screen. I definitely left happy.
Was interesting to see them take some ideas from KOTOR2, like the Force Bond (even displayed in a visually similar way).
Avoiding the thread, but bluntly not going to go see it. Fan of the old EU, not Disney's stuff
I for one did not like the decisions made regarding Luke and Snoke. Other than that I thought the story was a mess with a wtf subplot imo
lpooptoomuch
it had it's moments but a lot of I did not like, Leia flying around in space, Rey's parents were nothing special, no explanation who snoke
rey parents story can also be unreliable source trope with a big reveal up next
Wait, movie #2 and we still don't know who he is? ...then again, Vader's reveal was in #3.
Isexualiseeverything
Nice that Rey's parents were "nothing special". Annoying when everyone's a "chosen one", "child prodigy" or "special descendant" bullshit...
Definitely some good action and awesome scenes, but as you mention, sooooo many things were either plain stupid or very anticlimactic
is, since when do big cruisers have fuel and not a reactor
What... what do you think the reactor runs on?
MetalPsychologist
Okay everyone, please explain the clone wars series then. Honestly, their accuracy is equivalent to an optimal p-value.
JamesSylar
Clones were created to be soldiers, and their armor and helmet seemed to be better, Storms are regular humans, maybe trained by old clones.
Whether storm/clone/first order troopers, their aim was atrocious. I understand the "try to miss" strategy of ANH, but they're always off.
Crossmalaki
No the Stormtroopers still had clones, just with different genetic parentage than just Jango. There were regular people in the mix though.
ihaveaprettylargeamountofnothing
please both dont forget there are two different kind of lore in star wars so mattering wich one you prefer, stormtroopers still had 1/?
There is the EU, glorious and true. And then there is Disney's HERESY, which must be purged!
old clones from jango, new clones from many different new genes, or the other variant, no clones at all.
previoustopcomment
That's an odd and terribly ambiguous way to describe accuracy.
Accuracy of about .05 - .001. Sorry, it's a stats thing.
I know what P-values are, but they aren't a measure of accuracy or precision, they're a probability; which makes applying it here ambiguous.
I'm sure you can figure it out. Consider the context, tone, the platform we're on, and the subject we're discussing.
considering the platform maybe don't use a metaphor that requires specialized knowledge.
.05-.001"%" which is high or low depending on whether you're using it as "probability of hitting the target" or "Variation from the target"
CyberAkuma
That "they pretended to suck as part of a plan" doesn't really hold up considering that this resulted in many of them dying.
jimbotherisenclown
They're expendable soldiers. And if you think that sort of thing would never happen in real life, just consider Stalin's military tactics.
There's a difference between sending soldiers off to die, and literally telling them to die.
ARandomAlien
this is the empire we're talking about here of course they wouldn't care about a few deaths of stormtroopers
My point is the troopers themselves would. Again, there is a difference between sending them out to die and telling them to die.
feetred
There's a short story that explains it away by saying the guns are POS with crooked sights etc
AnotherLowski
"The movie is called 'The Fugitive', it's not called 'Caught after five minutes'"
slappy55
DapperLordDestral
Which actually makes in-world sense, since theyre all dispensible clones
Killabob
All the new canon books confirm this. Read "From A Certain Point Of View" it's awesome. Whole chapter on the mouse droid!!!!
Lordrednaught
Maybe the Force blurs the vision of the troopers or puts them off balance making them miss.
Cheomesh
Yeah, we know.
yomommalaid
I have a better question. Who cares?
Sapherno11
Finally, Thank you. I've been saying this for YEARS now -.-
IwentLookingForWhatTheBiggestIdiotHasToSayAndHereYouAre
I mostly chalk it up to lucas being a pretty shit writer.
Bigol284
Who knows... maybe it would be better to have the whole family at the BBQ
ironjudas
VioletMoonRising
Or. You know. Lucas is an awful writer but with a great idea/world building. Harry Potter is the same way, it's like 70% plot-hole.
fdoyl001
But it's all addressed *in the movie*, multiple times, by multiple characters.Like, letting the heroes escape was literally *the whole plot*
OnlyMathua
So What you are saying is. The Jar Jar Theory is real.
Cabaltrainee
Always nice to see how people defend plot armor.
Sapherno11
Always nice to see people explaining What plot armor is to people who can't even explain why they don't like a movie
Akillesursinne
This argument is shit. Are you saying that soldiers were okay with missing and dying? Geez, come on.
KamahlTenderfoot
kcgoalie31
He has an Imgur account
Mechwarrior719
Every time I see this GIF I imagine the walrus er... Jamie is playing Destination Unknown by Missing Persons
BababaMoooya1
.
stronomer
"Luke dies. The end." Similar to "Walter gets his chemotherapy. The end."
ThatsNoMoonItsaSpaceStation
Peeledpotato
Someday I hope to wake up, go outside and see that bad boy pointed this way
CptRobotNinja
Fuck that right in the tooter
Jeffjustgothere
Dude I would shit my pants and make my peace, if I saw that in the sky
ionlycommentwithgifsandpics
Username checks out
CluelessLurker
That's no username... I have a bad feeling about this...
Tybar
Username... Does not check out in this case.
bundleofwoodensticks
Agreed
intvlan1shut
Cool but a slight reflection (in the water) of the DS would put this over the top.
DarianStephens
I tried, don't know if I succeeded... so I let you be the judge! /a/pEHzO
JakeMcAwesome
You did well friend
TormentedPenguin
The rebels surrendered to the Ewoks rather then destroy them. The imperials missed Han who was standing still, #can'thitshit
kr18
No they didn't they got caught in a trap because Chewbacca couldn't keep his hands off the meat trap
deadeyelee
they hit Leia and R2
SingingandDancingInTheRain
I think your analysis missed the point.
JediMasterStackDaos
Its called the long con and Palpatine is good at it
TerminalGear
Don't forget, in any Star Wars video game the stormtroopers are way more accurate than in the movies-1/2
TerminalGear
But that probably has more to do with you being able to take multiple shots to the face and not die. -2/2
FunFax
I will never understand why people put so much thought into coming up with theories to explain the films. It's like spending a dozen 1/2
FunFax
hours analyzing what an artist already acknowledges was a coffee stain. You can that it represents this or that or whatever, but the real2/3
FunFax
answer is always "I don't know, we didn't actually put that much thought into it ok?" 3/3
therealzerobot
“Always”
Cheomesh
It's fun. Hell right now I'm taking an old video game universe and detailing it up into a full-on Role Play Game setting.
Angrytheologian
Or consider the fact that palpatine allowed them to get the codes. Lower the shield all in order to catch them all in one strike...
Abysse
Palpatine was a true Sith
bigmfmike
redbagelpuppies
Why couldn't he change the codes?
absolutezero182
He allowed them to get the codes to bait them into an attack, but have the shield still up. 1/2
absolutezero182
"Oh i'm afraid the shield will be quite operational when your friends arrive" 2/2
Epicentr
That... That's what they just said?
LootenetDan
Obi-wan also says the lightsaber is elegant, not random like a blaster. Apparently they need some strong stabilization
Sapherno11
He is absolutely correct. A lightsaber hilt has minor idiosyncracies that build up as the hilt moves, which is why its so dangerous for any
Sapherno11
Non Jedi to handle a lightsaber. They don't have the reflexes needed to be able to catch those mini spins while its in motion.
AConvenientSwarmofBees
Plus, Luke says that he can barely see when wearing a stormtrooper's helmet, so they must have some pretty limited vision
IronCore
http://www.starwarsreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/10928995_738270902924917_659436711513081287_n.jpg
Cheomesh
I always figured that was because he was...well, wearing oversized armor.
Doctadeth
Plus the fact he's not been remotely trained to use the armor in the first place. Possibly onscreen HUD, and so forth
DatDarthCaedus
In the EU they had electronic HUDs that covered the entire visor... Caedus once used the Force against a group of Stormtroopers to 1/2
DatDarthCaedus
blast static over their HUDs, forcing them to shoot blindly or remove their helmets as he casually strolled up to them.
drKriegerSan
So what did people think of the last Jedi? It has gotten very mixed reception, so what you guys think? WARNING - thread may contain spoilers
Wowyouknowwhatsomanyusernamesaretakenthesedays
The new director just decided to take Abrams setup for awesome plots and throw it away.
losboccacc
it's quite too linear and major character have just token deaths for no reason, gain or plot development, but, all in all, entertaining.
bluthsfrozenbananas
I liked it. It had some pretty cool uses of the force that I'd always wanted to see on screen. I definitely left happy.
DatDarthCaedus
Was interesting to see them take some ideas from KOTOR2, like the Force Bond (even displayed in a visually similar way).
Sapherno11
Avoiding the thread, but bluntly not going to go see it. Fan of the old EU, not Disney's stuff
drKriegerSan
I for one did not like the decisions made regarding Luke and Snoke. Other than that I thought the story was a mess with a wtf subplot imo
lpooptoomuch
it had it's moments but a lot of I did not like, Leia flying around in space, Rey's parents were nothing special, no explanation who snoke
losboccacc
rey parents story can also be unreliable source trope with a big reveal up next
Cheomesh
Wait, movie #2 and we still don't know who he is? ...then again, Vader's reveal was in #3.
Isexualiseeverything
Nice that Rey's parents were "nothing special". Annoying when everyone's a "chosen one", "child prodigy" or "special descendant" bullshit...
drKriegerSan
Definitely some good action and awesome scenes, but as you mention, sooooo many things were either plain stupid or very anticlimactic
lpooptoomuch
is, since when do big cruisers have fuel and not a reactor
DatDarthCaedus
What... what do you think the reactor runs on?
MetalPsychologist
Okay everyone, please explain the clone wars series then. Honestly, their accuracy is equivalent to an optimal p-value.
JamesSylar
Clones were created to be soldiers, and their armor and helmet seemed to be better, Storms are regular humans, maybe trained by old clones.
MetalPsychologist
Whether storm/clone/first order troopers, their aim was atrocious. I understand the "try to miss" strategy of ANH, but they're always off.
Crossmalaki
No the Stormtroopers still had clones, just with different genetic parentage than just Jango. There were regular people in the mix though.
ihaveaprettylargeamountofnothing
please both dont forget there are two different kind of lore in star wars so mattering wich one you prefer, stormtroopers still had 1/?
Crossmalaki
There is the EU, glorious and true. And then there is Disney's HERESY, which must be purged!
ihaveaprettylargeamountofnothing
old clones from jango, new clones from many different new genes, or the other variant, no clones at all.
previoustopcomment
That's an odd and terribly ambiguous way to describe accuracy.
MetalPsychologist
Accuracy of about .05 - .001. Sorry, it's a stats thing.
previoustopcomment
I know what P-values are, but they aren't a measure of accuracy or precision, they're a probability; which makes applying it here ambiguous.
MetalPsychologist
I'm sure you can figure it out. Consider the context, tone, the platform we're on, and the subject we're discussing.
previoustopcomment
considering the platform maybe don't use a metaphor that requires specialized knowledge.
previoustopcomment
.05-.001"%" which is high or low depending on whether you're using it as "probability of hitting the target" or "Variation from the target"
CyberAkuma
That "they pretended to suck as part of a plan" doesn't really hold up considering that this resulted in many of them dying.
jimbotherisenclown
They're expendable soldiers. And if you think that sort of thing would never happen in real life, just consider Stalin's military tactics.
CyberAkuma
There's a difference between sending soldiers off to die, and literally telling them to die.
ARandomAlien
this is the empire we're talking about here of course they wouldn't care about a few deaths of stormtroopers
CyberAkuma
My point is the troopers themselves would. Again, there is a difference between sending them out to die and telling them to die.