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American genocide
Aerolus
divided by language not borders
QT3pt141592653
Native-land.ca has an updated world map of indigenous tribes.
SuperfluousMeh
that was really neat. Thank you for sharing. I used to live in South Dakota and I remember some of the names of the peoples there.
GodOfDownvotes
That map resolution is as low as their chances of survival.
dreadDelight24
Worth a look. https://native-land.ca/
SuperfluousMeh
very worth a look. very detailed.
kittyreaper
Much better
MachineInterface
To be clear on what this represents: these are the major linguistic groups of North America, that is, the ensembles of languages that are>
MachineInterface
thought to be related to each other in the way Italian is related to Spanish or Russian is related to Polish, and the map represents the>
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distribution *at the time of European first contact*, which means that the map is almost certainly anachronistic, as the west and east of >
MachineInterface
the map are distant in time by several decades at least.
RenaissanceFaireMan
https://native-land.ca/
Colonade
How do you know they were the first ????
forthoseabouttobork
Anyone have a version of this with more pixels?
skipweasel
Did they eat all the pixels?
CardeasIV
Yo, i was told by Civ5 that Iroquis were a thing but i cant find them here cuz of that...
gummyloaf
Iroquois were a nation of several tribes who worked and allied together, not just one. Nations that made them up are there, like the Mohawk.
rhmrcScifiBandit
Wasting nothing, every part of the pixel was used. Often paired with corn, or as the indians called it "maize"
VerboseDood61
Only someone under 25 bitches about pixels. We were born with SD, molded by it. I didn't see HD until I was already a man! *Bane Mask On*
skipweasel
I'm nearly 60 - perhaps I just act under 25.
upvoteswhendrunkorboredorwaitinginlineoravoidingresposibilities
Nah, you just complain about the pixels because you thought you were looking at the picture without your glasses on
Rodolph
merelyadequategooglymoogly
The pixels were encouraged to move west. They're in Oklahoma.
skipweasel
"Oklahoma, where the pixels come sweepin' down the plain"
istalir
Where are the puebloans?
Lobangpuki
I really want to know more, maybe somebody can link me up with some more pixels?
MarvinSuggsMuppaphone
I don’t get the colour coding… Cree and Blackfoot aren’t traditionally allies, for instance, why are they both green?
LordHosk
I read the map based on the key and it doesn't seem to imply anything about alliances or ownership of land where do you get that?
PaintYourWagon
Sure they were! Just like the Mayans had a mighty Empire that reached all the way to Alaska!
Strawberrybell
Looks like it is based on linguistic groups if I can see the 5 pixels correctly. Bottom left.
TomDikenhari
Hard to make out with the poor resolution, but it looks like the color coding is based on lingual roots. Maybe.
ElbowDeepInAPoliceState
The green represents the major linguistic group known as 'other'
minuteye
Further south, yes, but the Cree/Blackfoot shade of green is the Algonquian language family.
ElbowDeepInAPoliceState
The same green the Aztecs occupy stretches up to Alaska
minuteye
Yes, "other", but it is a different shade of green than the one being referred to.
ElbowDeepInAPoliceState
As per my other comment, Algonquin looks more goldenrod than green
ElbowDeepInAPoliceState
The Algonquin language family is more of a goldenrod, anyways
minuteye
I don't know what you mean by "goldenrod", but Algonquian is a pretty well-supported First Nations language family.
ElbowDeepInAPoliceState
The colour. The colour used on the map is more of a goldenrod than green. Goldenrod refers to a colour.
ZucchiniBobbini
#LandBack
ScienceTeachingRockEnthusiast
These are for sale https://indigenouspeoplesresources.com/collections/first-nations-maps
brianglass10
They moved around a lot. And the Kiowa had more territory that the map indicates…
SuperfluousMeh
I am confused about the Miami though. Is that accurate? If so, how did the city get named Miami all the way down there? I'm missing somethin
SalmySwims
This map is based on linguistic families
tyrunn
*Map of America
itscoldhere8monthsoftheyear
*Map of First Nations linguistic groups of North America, pre colonization.
DurendaI
There is a lot wrong with this map that I can't even begin to start with using 140 characters.
finitetoast
The Inuit didn’t call themselves “Southampton Eskimo”???
YourFriendlyNeighbourhoodEcologist
100%
WearingSweatsWithElasticBottoms
My wife is Cree, her first words...that's not Blackfoot Territory...that's Plains Cree Territory! Her eyes...fiery!
Nateinthewild
I can't even find the Navajo nation at all...
Germankipp
It's there just to the left of apache
TheMonkeysAngst
susquahanocks should be here ny the delawares
TheMonkeysAngst
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Arrr2Dtoo
For starters you can barely read it.
TakeTheStairs
it helps to note that its not a map of tribes or territories but rather linguistic groups. post's title is unclear
CpnCanada
Note: the map itself reads major language groups (not nations). Beyond that i don't know enough to comment on the accuracy of the map.
ShieldAnvil1
The Cree and Blackfoot were not the same nation living peacefully? Yeah, I started to type stuff out too but bailed 141 char in.
TheMonkeysAngst
wheres the susquahanocks? i only know thats wrong for sure
Germankipp
I think this is misstitled, this is more of a language group map rather than a tribal map. Also it seems way out of date
mercyPandaRunner
Add to this that 'nation' is a quite unfitting shoehorned term for tribe. It's not a derogatory term, it's a different form of organization.
Talligan
First Nations is the preferred term for Native Americans in Canada. It's the term they chose themselves and a choice I try to respect.
mercyPandaRunner
Fair point. Given 'nation' doesn't have an empirically useful application anyways. I just think it's better to not go down that dead end.
Talligan
Iirc they chose that term as they felt the plural of nations better represented the diversity of tribes and cultures. But yeah
LordHosk
Which language group doesn't share similar roots?
Rehjee
The term you're looking for is Linguistic Isolates, and they're common. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_isolate
ridge
Welsh
LordHosk
welsh doesn't seem to be depicted anywhere on the map of native North American languages.
swordsnguns
Even within specific regions. Where are the pueblo and o’odam, why are the diné not colored Athapaskan, where are the yavapai etc.
Germankipp
I think this is misstitled, this is more of a language group map rather than a tribal map. Unless are those unique language groups? Idk
swordsnguns
Dine are Athapaskan showing Algonquin, yavapai are uto-aztecan showing Algonquin, as are puebloans who are labeled as Athapaskan
swordsnguns
Correction, Hopi are uto Aztecan and other pueblos are tanoan, probably due to the influx of southern tribes into Hopi back in the day
Germankipp
Whoa that's amazing that the Hopi are part of that language group! Thank for that info
garlickygarlic
Yeah....
LordHosk
Imagine if the US government had been presented with as smaller local version of this map and signed treaties to recognize tribal land.
LordHosk
Oh... wait... they did, several times, and then just ignored that they signed those treaties and claimed the land as US territory.
Rijtjeshuis
It's Inuit, not Eskimo.
pleasebrodontdoitdontregisteronimgur
Why are you fighting someone else's fight without even knowing the stakes?
majorminers
No shit right. But it looks old.
SushiBathtub
Was gonna say, this map is obv outdated and some of the labelled names are offensive.
notanoldbitterbetty
Its also Mi'kmaq not Micmac (east coast)
kittyreaper
And Innu, not montagnais
artemis2227
There were just as many varied tribes in AK as any part of the americas, this map just doesn't want to show it
CreatureFromtheBlackLegume
And Sioux is the Ojibwa word for "little snakes", their enemy. Why not just say Lakota/Dakota/Nakota?
Himser
Because this map is wildly inaccurate.
HighrockTendales
hahaha you got outwoked in the replies.
MadHakon
I'm thinking many of these names are exonyms because obviously foreign words are just too hard sometimes!
ijustmadeanaccounttoargue
Aha! I nu it!
MachineGunJeanMaurice
Yes, and « Montagnais » should most likely be « Innu », and I think « Algonquin » is corrected to « Anishnabeg » now. It’s an old map…
TheMonkeysAngst
Theres no susquahanocks on there, I live near their territory
ThisGuyPostingThings
I remember seeing this in school (Ontario) at least 20+ years ago, so it's probably at least 30 years old.
Kerberos623
Now it's Istanbul, not Constantinople
leechdemon
The line from the song mentions "it's nobody's business but the Turks"; I get the joke, but "it's nobody's business but the Inuits", here.
Kerberos623
yes very inuitively
ElbowDeepInAPoliceState
Eskimo describes a collection of peoples, like how Scandinavian describes people from Scandinavia
Rijtjeshuis
Nkt really. 'Eskimo' is a Cree term used to describe them. It means something like "raw meat eater."
TheMonkeysAngst
yes, i was going to say that. and they took it as an insult
YourMomIsEverything
Also, we know that the current people living in the arctic were not the "first": they displaced the Dorset culture about 1000 years ago.
ElbowDeepInAPoliceState
Your point? It's a map of the native cultures at tone of colonization
YourMomIsEverything
My point is that it was/is a dynamic situation. BTW the Dorset were still there when the Norse came, so which colonization?
ElbowDeepInAPoliceState
Oh look, it's an idiot!
DildoRodeo
Dude you always take the dumbest fucking positions in comment threads.
Rijtjeshuis
The Inuit also didn't historically live that far north. Canada moved them up there in order to have a stronger claim to the arctic.
levelor
There were more people living in North America than all of Europe when the Colonizers arrived.
TheWarHymn
So I guess no sauce...
TheWarHymn
Sauce?
genepoolboy
I like to play these in EU4
bundleofwoodensticks
Europeans:
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Hubb
Italian
SuperfluousMeh
Yes was an Italian actor! There's another actor that plays a really good Hispanic Thug, but he's not Hispanic. Can't remember either name.
FearsAndMadness
Cliff Curtis? He’s from New Zealand
KleptoKea
So much genocide against them from the immigrants who these days continue the genocide while complaining about other immigrants,USA at least
Jernau
Here is our map of First Nations: https://aiatsis.gov.au/explore/map-indigenous-australia
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ligmabolz
It's the wrong side up
arrestthatpanda
thx for posting!!! i feel slightly less ignorant (slightly) :)
Primary1
God damn
giveusalol
That’s really cool. Do you know what the dead people name/voice/image warning is about?
Jernau
It's a standard warning on any media related to First Nations in Australia. Images or names of recently deceased are a cultural taboo.
giveusalol
Thank you, had no idea!
SgtButterFace
That’s rad, I didn’t realize there were so many tribes
JayEnfield
Heheh... Peerapper.
possiblyafakeaccount
Neat!
Handyolo
This is incredible! Thank you.
bloxxing
and then the poms arrived and started genociding.
donkeymoney
We gave it the hug of death
WelshMerc4223
Dooot
djs2103
People live in the middle part?
spickate
I thought Waka Waka was just something Fozzy Bear said. Didn’t know it was an indigenous Australian tribe
TsubakiTragic
Quite a few Aboriginal names are doubled words. Also, just about any Aboriginal place name ending in 'up' means water can be found there.
KarlaAnne
I have a good friend (& her family) from Grong Grong, just outside Wagga Wagga! I beg for fridge magnets & tshirts every time they go lol
YougotthetouchYougotthepower
I was Gunna post the same thing.
Devolv3
Some of those areas are in the middle of nowhere. Couldn't imagine living there with modern amenities, let alone 40,000 years ago.
paintingagency
Well if you just imagine some of the toughest people on the planet it becomes clearer.
DarknessfillsmyheartwithpainTIMMAY
They had a much more accepting culture. We have what we have, and that's fine. Had little use for gifts from explorers, leading to confusion
Scave
Interesting I didn’t assume they would of been one people, but that amount of different groups I did not envision
downwithJesus
It's important to note that lines weren't quite like this. Some groups shared resources and move around. In QLD, many would travel to a
downwithJesus
massive Bunya tree and share the fat-filled nuts as a big occassion. It makes native titles hard, because there weren't strict boundry lines
Scave
definitely especially in a land as arid as Australia you’d have a lot of migratory people, I was just surprised at so much differentiation
Scave
Of cultural groups for them to be able to separate them by name
rbudrick
I didnt think anyone ever really lived in the middle/western Oz. I kinda figured original people stuck to coasts as well.
Jernau
They inhabited the whole place. Local languages and customs are better preserved in those areas westerners didn't colonise.
rbudrick
Makes sense since colonizers only take land they can easily use, but how locals lived from all that so-called useless desert is beyond me.
NuclearMonk
Any idea what drives the frequent use of double words....like Waka Waka?
Jernau
It usually implies either a plural or an intensifier. Wagga means crow, the town of Wagga Wagga means many crows.
NuclearMonk
Thanks for my new neato-fact of the day!
Bobblesisaderpcat
There are many crows in Wagga Wagga. We have the word wirra meaning bush. So wirra wirra means lots of bush. This is in Kuarna
Homosexualsaregay
Cool. So that's why the brewery there is called the thirsty crow
madcatii
paintingagency
"We... don't go to Wagga Wagga Wagga Wagga any more."
Illinifan88
It's crazy that the Apache language is in the same group as the one way up in Canada. Wonder how that happened.
itscoldhere8monthsoftheyear
It's weird, Navajo is part of the Athabaskan linguistic group.
mormacil
Migration, same way Finnish is related to Hungarian and German to Afrikaans
GinOClock
I always thought the root of Afrikaans was Dutch, I guess German would be a parent of Dutch too though
mormacil
The root is Dutch, I said related not descended. German and Dutch have a shared ancestor but neither is descended from the other.
Illinifan88
Of course, but I'm more curious about the actual history that led to this language group being so geographically separated.
mormacil
We don't know for sure but the Pueblos make mention of their 'invasion'.
NoOddJob
Ohhh thats why there is a university of Miami in Ohio
SuperfluousMeh
Okay, then why is there a city of Miami in Florida? I'm still confused on that one.
NoOddJob
when the spanish arrived, lake Okeechobee was called Mayaimi by the locals, which meant very large. so they called the river Miami
NoOddJob
and then the city was called Miami. so just a coincidence I guess?
SuperfluousMeh
Spell check cannot figure it out but the Spanish and the English merged local words. So that probably is true.
Arinoth
It's Mi'kmaq not Micmac
HaloArchitect
English isn't known for it's accuracy. Do you know what "Hungarian" sounds like in Hungarian? "German" in German? "Japanese" in Japanese?
SuperfluousMeh
I never understood why English was so frustrating to learn as a 2nd language for migrants until I realized that it's just a mishmash of
SuperfluousMeh
Vowel and consonant sounds from other languages. And without those accent marks how are you supposed to know how to pronounce it? I have
SuperfluousMeh
Much more patience with ESL speakers now.
TellusEidolon
A lot of countries call the Netherlands Holland in their own language.
HaloArchitect
Yeah, Hungarian and German are both guilty on that one. I wonder what the history of that is.
TellusEidolon
Denmark too. It is because Holland was a very successful economic and maritime power in the region.
Thankyouforthis
My major problem is that we've pretended that this isn't our entire human history. We pretend we aren't fucking barbarians.
SuperfluousMeh
In Europe, they get to pretend it's ancient history. I think it's a little more in our face here in the Western Hemisphere.
Thankyouforthis
I don't think they get to pretend in Europe either, Hitler killed a fuck ton of people for fun.
SuperfluousMeh
like super dumb, like maybe the toilet has cut the blood flow off to my brain instead of my legs, dumb.
SuperfluousMeh
Jesus, did I breathe this morning ?
SuperfluousMeh
That's a good point, ironically I had forgotten that! I feel really dumb right now ?
Thankyouforthis
xD dooon't, I'm just bein' silly. I just enjoy the observation of society's mentality that we're soooooo advanced and civilized.
SuperfluousMeh
Thanks for the jolly giggle though. I have been really struggling and I needed that!