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How to build a gaming PC!
Welcome to my guide on how to build your very own computer! As long as you do your research and ask if you ever need help you will be fine!
Motherboard (Mobo)
The motherboard or mobo is the spine of your computer. It takes the messages and sends them all over the place to wherever they are needed, so do not skimp out on your motherboard!
- Check the socket for the motherboard. You cannot fit an intel CPU in a motherboard for an older processor or an AMD processor! Be sure that the motherboard supports your CPU! Check the manufacturer's website.
- Check for wireless internet if you will need it. If your motherboard does not have any you might need to buy a wireless card to attach to the motherboard in one of the PCIe slots.
- Check the amount of PCIe slots. That is where you will plug in your graphics card and possibly a sound card or something else.
- Check which chipset the motherboard is on. For instance the ASRock Extreme3 Z87 and ASRock Extreme3 Z97 are practically the same except all Z97 motherboards will have some extra features over their Z87 equivalents as well as support for the latest intel processors.
- Check the general quality of the motherboard. You do not want something that will break within a year of use.
- Check the overclocking capabilities if you will be overclocking.
- Check for the amount of RAM slots and how much RAM it supports
- Check how many sata slots it has. If it has 6 for instance you will be able to place a maximum of 6 pieces of hardware which transfer data such as CD drives, hard drives and SSD's.
- Check for how many USB slots it has. If you have a tendency to use up 4 USB 3.0 slots and 2 USB 2.0 slots at all times be sure to have a motherboard that can support that!
- Check if it supports SLI or Crossfire. SLI is the ability to support a second graphics card. Crossfire is the AMD equivalent.
- Read the motherboard manual. There are some wires that have to be plugged in a certain way or else the computer won't turn on! You won't destroy it but it may cause a headache.
Processor (CPU)
Your CPU is the brain of your computer. It will do all of the major processing so you should pick one that you will be comfortable with. Remember that the speed that everything will run at is generally limited by your CPU unless another factor such as hard drive speed gets in the way first.
Different CPU's are for different situations. For instance if you will only be gaming you do not need an i7 4770k. You will be better off saving your money by buying an i5 4670k instead (the "k" at the end of the processor means it is unlocked, which allows for easier overclocking of the processor).
Look into the CPU and decide what will be most suitable for your situation. Keep in mind that PC parts do not scale at a 1:1 ratio when it comes to price:performance so the difference between a 250 dollar processor and a 300 dollar processor will be less than the difference between a 200 dollar processor and a 250 dollar processor.
Do not limit yourself by only looking at AMD or Intel. They are both good brands, although you should keep in mind to look behind the numbers. For instance the AMD FX-8350 is an 8-core 4 GHz beast for about $220 while the Intel i7 4770k has 4 cores at 3.5 GHz for $385. Sounds like a no-brainer right? Wrong! The i7 4770k is actually a much stronger processor. It has hyperthreading meaning it runs 8 logical cores and although it does not run at 4 GHz it can keep its own and is in fact much more efficient than the FX-8350.
Basically, look into the processor and make sure it suits your situation.
CPU Cooler
Your processor will come with a CPU cooler already but not a very good one. If you want a silent computer or want better cooling so that you can overclock you will want a better CPU cooler.
- You will have to add thermal paste to your CPU. Clean off your CPU with isopropyl alchohol using a cotton swab then add a small dab of thermal paste in the middle of the CPU. Place the CPU cooler on top and screw in the nails and you're done.
- Check reviews to make sure the CPU cooler is good enough for what you have planned.
- Check measurements. If the CPU cooler is too tall for your case it won't work. If it is too wide it may cover up your RAM.
- Closed loop liquid CPU coolers are almost silent and cool more efficiently than air coolers in most cases but they are more expensive.
- Different coolers are mounted in different ways so be sure to go over the manual to make sure you know what you're doing!
Graphics Card (GPU)
Ahh the GPU. Arguably this is the most important part of your build and where 40-50% of your money should go.
- DO NOT COMPARE AMD TO NVIDIA BY NUMBERS IT DOES NOT WORK. Google up comparisons and the frame rates that the graphics cards support, do not just base it off of the amount of vRAM they have and their clock speeds.
- Do your research. You don't want to buy an extremely hot graphics card which throttles down and performs more slowly than it should because of how how it gets.
RAM
RAM is generally simple to choose. Just keep a few things in mind.
- 1600 MHz is about the sweet spot. More than 1600 is generally more expensive and might not be worth it.
- 8GB of RAM is the sweet spot for gaming. Most games will not utilize more than 4GB but having a bit of extra room for other programs will help.
- Your motherboard will only have a certain amount of slots for RAM and will only support a limited amount of it, so don't go out and buy 64 GB of RAM to find out your motherboard can only support 32 GB.
- Dual-channel will always run faster than single channel, so two 4 GB RAM sticks in a dual channel configuration (be sure to check your motherboard because to run dual channel successfully you will need to place the RAM in the correct sockets. Some motherboards do not support dual channel as well.) will run faster than a single 8GB RAM stick in general.
- RAM coolers are practically useless. Don't bother with them. Just save your money.
Power Supply (PSU)
Your PSU will power the whole thing up! Choose one with enough power to support your computer, but don't be stingy. Cheap power supplies may say that they support up to 850W but they may only support 500W.
- A modular power supply is one where you connect only the cables you need. Non modular power supplies have all the cables connected and you will just have to deal with all of the extra ones lying around inside your case.
- If you plan on getting a second graphics card down the road make sure your PSU will have enough power to support it.
- Get an efficient power supply. Go for a power supply with at least an 80+ Bronze power rating. The better the rating the better the power supply.
Harddrive (HDD)
Storage is very basic. The general RPM standard for HDD's now is 7200. Find a decent HDD from a reputable brand and you will be fine.
- Be sure it has enough space. I got a 1 TB HDD and added a 2 TB one later on because the 1 TB HDD was running out of space.
- Remember that you have a limited amount of HDD's that you can put into your computer. The limiting factor may be space in your case if you chose a small one or the amount of SATA slots on your motherboard.
- Keep in mind that you can add another HDD whenever you want or see fit so don't rush into buying a single 4 TB HDD or whatever.
Solid State Drive (SSD)
SSD's are kind of new to the PC scene. They get rid of mechanical technology seen in hard drives and are much faster. Transfer speeds and response speeds on an SSD are amazing. Your programs will load up in milliseconds and you will always be the first one in the game.
- Check for pricing. SSD's are more expensive per GB then a HDD. For instance a 256 GB SSD is roughly $140 while a 1 TB HDD is $60.
- Remember that the extra speed is more expensive and it may be worth it to hold off on an SSD.
- Do not use your SSD as storage. Don't put pictures and music files there. Put games, programs and your operating system on it. Those are the things which you need to load fast. Not your 30 GB music collection.
Case
Your case may seem like an easy way to save a bit of money but I do not recommend this. Your case will hold everything inside it so try not to skimp out on it.
- Find one that you like the looks of.
- Be sure it is large enough to support all of your parts. Google up reviews of the case or ask on professional forums for people's opinions!
- Check for the airflow of the case. You could put all of your parts in an empty fish tank but the computer would constantly overheat and die soon enough. Keeping your parts cool is a key to having a long living set up.
- Check for a window. Windows on the sides of cases let you see inside the computer which is always nice.
- Check for how it handles wires. An expensive case will have holes and grommets allowing you to hide most of your wiring to make everything look cleaner and better.
CD/DVD Drive
A CD drive has become completely optional for most people nowadays since platforms like steam have evolved to become our main way of accessing games and such. Some people do still want them though.
- A CD drive will fit in a 5.25" bay usually in the front of your case.
- It will take up a single SATA cable and a power cable - just like a hard drive or SSD.
- They are not needed for any reason realistically but some people still want them to install things.
Monitor
Your monitor is the peripheral you will use the most (unless of course you are too busy drooling over your new gaming PC!).
- Buy a monitor you will like to look at. One with contrast that is far too high may become irritating.
- Pick a good resolution you will be comfortable with for a while. This will be the thing you stare at for hours on end!
- Different monitors have different response times and maximum frames. Be sure that the numbers suit you. Generally 5ms and below is good for a monitor and you won't notice the difference between and 5ms response time and 1ms.
- You will notice the difference between a 60hz monitor and a 120hz monitor however. 60hz means it will support up to 60 frames per second while 120hz means it will support up to 120 frames per second. In gaming 30 is generally the minimum while 60 is ideal.
- Running games at 120 frames per second requires much more power out of your GPU so don't buy a 120hz monitor if your GPU won't be able to support it.
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Check out these places for more information:
pcpartpicker.com - This will let you choose computer parts. It will check for any incompatibilities and it will show you some places where you can buy the items.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roFb3TNePIg - This link is to a guy names Linus from Linus Tech Tips actually building a computer. This will help when you build your rig!
www.tomshardware.com - This is a link to Tom's Hardware. These guys know everything about computers. They are very friendly so don't be afraid to ask if you are unsure about something or if you need some help making a decision.
www.reddit.com/r/buildapc - Reddit! These guys like to help people out who are looking at building their first PC!
Final note: Don't despair. Building a computer is actually very easy. Send me a message if you would like some additional help in any way! Finally, remember that Google is your friend and chances are that someone else is having the same problem as your or has asked the same question at some time so spending a couple of minutes googling something may save you a headache in the future.
derekn
There is a lot of misinformation in this post.
xxwerdxx
This is a whole other language to me
Apachewolf
+1 for not acting like you will die without 1tb of SSD's
DogitheWallcrusher
Intel CPU, AMD GPU. Master race. In before Nvidia shills: AMD can fly jets. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5YJsMaT_AE
northhole
Asus, Noctua, Corsair, Intel - four brands with a quality I trust. Worked with this for over 15 years.
MichaelBay
My monitor/mobo are Asus, ND H15 Noctua cooler, I7 3770 Intel CPU and SSD intel as well, I'm happy as hell
Diaminomaleonitrile
This post is much better than the other on the front page - kudos!
stadtohnemeer
This was much better then the previous one and much much much more correct. Thanks
DeezNuttyNuts
sauce
stadtohnemeer
seems like the person pulled it off due to negative feedback..
jakeonehalf
For those looking to water cool... test EVERYTHING before installing a waterblock, it voids warranties on many components.
kbeast007
Hmm I have both of the cases pictured. Stop taking pictures of my stuff OP
ChefG0ldblum
I got that Antec case. Love the blue lights and so much space inside it. Fans, fans, fans!!!!!
PoppinLochNessHopster
The blue lights ensure the case stays cooler and the women stay out of your room.
ChefG0ldblum
also doubles as a black light to show all the stains around my keyboard area.
PoppinLochNessHopster
I have to open up cards/fans and snap the LEDs off of them since they insist on it most of the time. :(
ChefG0ldblum
ah yeah, unwanted/unnecessary lights can be annoying :( my desktop is away from my display so it doesn't get in the way
fr0z0rz
CPU fan looks like it's made of chocolate.
frater93
Personally, I go for liquid cooling if it's on a gaming rig, and fan noise isn't an issue.
iAreNubcake
LiquidFracture
Noctua FTW
ChomskyWouldnt
I twitched involuntarily at "check for a window." That shit has zero relevance to the performance of your rig. C'mon.
TRUCKERm
Can we please stop with these half-truth guides, misinforming everyone? If you seriously need help go to r/buildapc or /r/buildapcforme
paradigm84
Be careful following advice from those subreddits, a lot of members will recommend very excessive and unnecessary hardware.
TRUCKERm
As someone who is on /r/buildapc and helps peeps I do see it sometimes, but usually 20 other people emerge and tell prove said person wrong.
famicus
what in the post was misleading?
ChomskyWouldnt
yeah it's a *okay* starting point if you know nothing, but half this stuff is inaccurate or out of date... no bueno
IwishIcouldputspacesinthis
But does it let me internet
deGoodMan
Someone make a post on water cooling, please.
ManFromFlorida
A PC post that isn't satire or pretentious? Sign me up!
Ihavenomovieculture
CD drive, who use that ?
shadow306k
Well I need SOMEWHERE to put my Mtn Dew
themilkmancometh
I would argue that the Power supply is the one part of your rig you shouldn't skimp out on
ActuallyADog
Seasonic or BUST!
drakeirving
Anyone who has been on this planet for more than ten years should know the first thing that ever fails on computers is very likely the PSU.
deathjavu
Frankly, PSU/Case are about the only components that can last across multiple computer builds. Get good ones now, keep them for your next.
impostersquall
ive killed computers skimping ont hem
exoclipse
I find it amusing that an Ultra power supply is pictured...
HappinessIsaColdPint
You definitely need a PSU rated higher than your other components. ESPECIALLY if this is a gaming rig or if you intend to OC in the future.
stamklank
And here I am, always bought the cheapest psu with minimal power and oc'd a lot. Granted, they always had cost at least €50,-
bumblebee2na
When I had just started out with computer building, I made that mistake. Lets just say that the computer blew up.
Ecadace
Bought my own custom PC (off a website I made it on) and went with a 800 watt Power Supply when it only needed 500 watts.
mitchrz
Always remember to purchase one with a high-wattage - the connectors all supply the typical V's required, but a power supply needs the I.
mitchrz
If your computer draws a lot of current then there will be a byproduct of heat and you'll need good internal components to withstand this.
b1ackadder
Bought a cheap one, fried 3 HDDs at once. Also fried the backup HDD. Glad I sent my thesis the week before. Just a shame for the lost p0rn.
mcof
If they were reputable drives you should be able to use them again by replacing or bypassing the over-voltage protection.
b1ackadder
...dude. Don't you tempt my hopes there! I kept them actually... I'll need some time and research, but I'll get back to this!
themilkmancometh
let us have a moments silence for the lost archive of porn
b1ackadder
*wipes away a tiny tear* they were so many....
sleete
THE BEST power supplies out there are from Corsair. Guaranteed by http://www.jonnyguru.com
themilkmancometh
Corsair RM850 here mate, love the thing
orpnu
arent corsairs just rebranded seasonics?
KruziikKel
Corsair use CWT, Flextronics, Chicony and Seasonic though AFIK only the new AX series units (platinum cert) are seasonic built (1/?)
KruziikKel
And while I do use a corsair PSU myself (AX760) they are not quite the best some of their high end stuff is amazing sure but their (2/?)
KruziikKel
Mid range stuff like the RM series is a bit meh with the use of slightly dodgy Chinese caps from Capxon in the CWT built units and (3/?)
threepwood007
Don't overcompensate either. No need for an SUV if you just need a compact.
Frederf
PSU efficiency is rated at a high fraction of load. Your 80-90-95% efficiency will be like 50% if you have too low a load.
LiquidFracture
you can check the efficiency curve of different PSUs, some undervolt really well
themilkmancometh
Its nice to have a little leg room but don't go over the top
SinkDemon
"Is 850w enough for a 780ti and a 4790k?" oh lawdy lawd.
themilkmancometh
I'd say so mate, i have an 850w running a 760 and i5 4670k
SinkDemon
It was a genuine quote from r/buildapc :P
SinkDemon
It'd run fine off a 450w (with no overclock.)
FingolfinHighKingoftheNoldor
buying a trusted name brand PSU is incredibly important... if you don't recognize the name stay AWAY
KruziikKel
Not strictly true look at SuperFlower id hardly call them well known but they are one of the very best OEMs out there right now (1/2)
KruziikKel
And plenty of trusted names have their share of stinkers its the design and the quality of the components that matter not the brand (2/2)
Minuslnfinity
SeaSonic is one of the best brands I would trust them for any quality build.
LiquidFracture
Corsair has some of the best PSUs on the market IMO
Tsumino79
although i find cougar PSUs are very good yet not many people have heard of them
ZentharTheUnqualifiedMagician
And even some PSU's with trusted names are pretty shit. It's the components inside that matter, not the name on the box.
Enlyten
Like Corsair. The only good PSU's they have are the OEM Seasonic ones. TBH Seasonic is the only brand that's 100% their own components.
themilkmancometh
Good rule of thumb i went for the Corsair RM850 Gol
IAlreadyReachedImguriteSoIDontCareAboutMyPointsAnymore
You don;t know how many noobs just say "fuck it" and go for the 1000 Watt PSU that costs only $30....then blows up
WoahWhoAmIandWhatamIdoingHere
My cousin recently did this, now he needs a new motherboard. When I asked about his PSU I was told "Oh its a really good one, its 1000w!"
IAlreadyReachedImguriteSoIDontCareAboutMyPointsAnymore
Bingo. And also the thing is PSU's dont like to die alone
themilkmancometh
A loose faith in humanity number i am guessing haha
IAlreadyReachedImguriteSoIDontCareAboutMyPointsAnymore
Just never fall for the psu with the LED's or one that has a "cool" braiding on the wires
themilkmancometh
its why we have a rating system, i wouldn't ever go lower than gold
IAlreadyReachedImguriteSoIDontCareAboutMyPointsAnymore
Same. but even then, some other factors come into play like ripple and thermal controll
Continous
I remember we were out buying a prebuilt comp for my grandfather because they were cheaper at the time than building on of his level (1/?)
Continous
and we decided to buy this one gateway and we took it home and fired the thing up. After a few weeks we noticed smoke emitting from (2/?)
Continous
the back-end of the case, and I had to open it up to take a look. It turns out, their Cooler Master PSU was prone to fires at heavy load.
p34ce
Cooler Master are a very dubious brand, in my experience. I avoid their products like the plague, these days.
Continous
I avoid of their electronic products, but I really hate to admit how good of airflow their swiss-cheese cases have.
TravianTrav
That's what I said :) A cheap power supply will just lead to a bunch of head aches down the line.
mapachedoom
My power supply blew up and it ended up frying my hard drive and my motherboard when I plugged in a second graphic card. Always check first!
themilkmancometh
I must of derped out whilst reading then haha my bad
ninjagaidensigma
must have*
darkie
Also, the general rule is to use one that supplies double the output as the designed component power usage. For instance (1/2)
darkie
using a 600W power supply if your projected design input is 300W. That is because power supplies work at peak efficiency at 40-80% load 2/2)
KingTopher
But at any point really you could upgrade it... right?
CoeusDarksoul
You really like your headaches deep and spikey, don'tcha? Swapping out PSUs and having them fry components is one of the worst things IMO =\
BatmansUnderPantsAreSoSoft
In most cases you don't if you have a great one like Seasonic. Hardware is using less power every new generation.
TravianTrav
Yeah, you can, but saving a bit of money and going for a good one to behind with is usually a better option.
ReCaptcha
Yes, just buy a new one and replace the old one. But that's costly, as compared to buying a good one first.
MathiaSKoeniG
cheap ones also like to fry internal components... which is fun
evilkittie
lightening is fun also
Poopshtick
You sound like you have some experience with this you poor soul
ojisan1
Yes but it's kind of a hassle because the wires from the PSU go to nearly every component in the PC.
annoyingdialoguegameperson
I like pandas.
UmVtZW1iZXJUaGVOYW1l
I like turtles.
annoyingdialoguegameperson
Turtles are way too mainstream.
UmVtZW1iZXJUaGVOYW1l
I also like zombies. Is that too mainstream?
annoyingdialoguegameperson
Unlike turtles, zombies reign deep in the uncanny valley, so I think you're quite safe. Apart from having your brain eaten.
UmVtZW1iZXJUaGVOYW1l
Yay! I haz no brains.
irunners
lost all credibility when he said that SSD is to much money for what it's worth.
xboxhobo
He never said that.
ColossalTitan
As an SSD user, they're fucking AWESOME. 256 GB running my OS and some games; everything is fast as hell.
xboxhobo
He never said that.
sadman13
It's pointless to compare CPU's by manufacturer specs, need to compare actual performance, http://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html
RazgrizSeed
You can still compare by specs. Most people tend to not look at some important numbers, such as compression.
sadman13
FYI, these are overall ratings, some cpus may be better at video processing and others better at gaming.
cheezepleezer
hey sadman13 do you have a site like that but for laptops? Im looking for a mid price range one for school/gaming
sadman13
laptop cpu's, you really have to dig to find what model i5, i7, etc they use in the laptop, http://www.cpubenchmark.net/laptop.html
lime2020
yo i bought that case
TheBasementNerd
Don't soak your CPU in acetone-based nail polisher thinking that will remove the thermal paste. Don't do that. It will kill it. DON'T DO IT
mcof
I'm not sure what you mean by soak, but acetone won't damage a CPU's metal cover and can be used for this purpose.
TheBasementNerd
As in put it in a tubberware container filled with acetone-based nail polisher
irunners
said SSD was not worth it. lost all credibility.
OPsLawyer
"SSD's are kind of new to the PC scene" by 'kind of' you mean not at all?
StrangelyCalm
I would say vRAM Disks are new to the PC Scene, with Read/Write speeds of ~8GB/s they far outrank SSDs at ~500MB/s. However 1/2
StrangelyCalm
Anything stored on the vRAM Disk is volatile. Once the PC is turned off, anything on it is wiped. But it will have it's uses...
PoppinLochNessHopster
In the grand scheme of things, PCs are kind of new.
portnoyd
Maybe he meant by affordability?
OPsLawyer
Even then I have one is my laptop as we speak that I put in their 3 years ago after the mechanical drive failed 1 week after buying it 120gb
OPsLawyer
wasn't very expensive then, like $120ish
ninjagaidensigma
I guess 'over 5 years' is "kind of new" lol
OPsLawyer
I would argue that 5 years in computer technology time as fairly long
ninjagaidensigma
It's close to an eternity
ChomskyWouldnt
I get the feeling most of things was pulled from a post that's at least 3 or four years old...
ChomskyWouldnt
*were damn it
northhole
Today you find it "everywhere" - so new for the "mass market". Personally I've used SSDs since 2009.
OPsLawyer
I never found it hard to find one at any computer part store personally. I remember seeing a youtube demo that year with a stack in raid 1/2
OPsLawyer
Was a thing of beauty at the time studying IT 2/2
northhole
For enthusiasts and DIY-pc it has been more common - but with mass market, you have "the common user", where price is more sensitive.
whatthehellisgoingonhere
They only got affordable for the common user recently though, I guess that was his point
OPsLawyer
Well 3 years ago I put a SSD in both my laptop and desktop and it wasn't seen as very expensive back then for the performance it put out.
whatthehellisgoingonhere
Well good for you. Check Gb/$ rate evolution and you'll know what I mean.
OPsLawyer
The same argument at similar rates can be made for mechanical drives aswell
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whatthehellisgoingonhere
And you find this affordable ?
GetRektus
Looking at specifications for disks back then it was like this: ssd;525mb/s read, 500mb/s write. HDD; <100mb/s for both.
GetRektus
And today the price is halved. I paid 1.367$/mb for my last ssd (Samsung 840 pro 128gb).
Dooood
Relatively speaking, they are.
OPsLawyer
In relative computer technology time I disagree on a recent consumer level. Also they are extremely old as a technology 1/2
OPsLawyer
I am technically right which the best kind of right 2/2.
Dooood
For anyone trying to build their home PC (the PC scene this post is addressing), SSD's are relatively new. I stand by my statement.
Rosoe
Should just add that you should have a DVD drive too
StrangelyCalm
It's an excellent idea to get an external CD/DVD Drive, they cost about $20 and help with installing drivers during initial bootup
SinkDemon
It's much better to have a USB external CD/DVD drive imo.
tarataqa
yeah for $20 you can get a slim external DVD burner for use in any USB port.
whatthehellisgoingonhere
Who needs that now ?
Dooood
I would suggest if you need an optical drive that DVD would be preferable over CD. Backwards compatible, while CD can't read newer discs.
Olluranthel
There is practically no reason to have one unless you are burning DVDs for some reason. Everything can be installed via USB or the web.
icantgotoprisonroytheyllrapetheflipoutofme
Equally there's no reason not to have one. So you're now restricted to digital downloads for the sake of a $20 DVD drive?
Olluranthel
I have one myself just in case. However, if you're going for a budget build there's no reason to buy one. Just pull one out of an old PC.
icantgotoprisonroytheyllrapetheflipoutofme
So we're debating the semantics now? Can we just agree that you should have one? How you get one is entirely up to you.
Olluranthel
Well the post was specifically about buying parts for a rig. A CD/DVD drive isn't important enough to have to purchase a new one.
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Olluranthel
Download the .iso off of the Microsoft site and copy/pasta it to a flash drive. Boot the USB drive while in your BIOS and you're good to go.
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Olluranthel
Oh sure you need to format the USB to NTFS first, as the default FAT32 won't work. Simple procedure though.
IbelieveinHarveyDent
well thats not too hard. there a programms that do that for you in seconds.
irishnovember
Isn't a post exactly like this on the frontpage right now?
doryphoros
the new way how to repost
IKnowYourNextMove
This is better
moxymox
"Dear Abby: I saw a post, but then a post similar to it came around. Other than complaining, what can I do? Sincerely, Confused on Imgur"
PulloverNoItsACardiganKillerBootsMan
IT'S THE CIIIIRCLE OF LIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIFE!
alexonfyre
This one is far better
timeforsomegoodnewseveryone
There is one, but that is for a general pc, not one for the mustard race
northhole
This one is much better.
Kabba
I think you asked and answered your own question there.
SlightlyNormal
That post is shit.
VodkaReindeer
I makes one wonder if all those exercise-related informative posts were as unhelpful as this one.
Monochron
That post was focused on a budget PC while this is more mid-upper range
SgtoSunshine
The other one prioritized CPU over motherboard. I am in agreement with this one in that looking at your motherboard is more important.
GetRektus
The other one talked bullshit about CPU. Talking about threads and things like that while he had no knowledge of what he was talking about.
PartyMagician
Board is more important, but you should choose CPU first, because the choice of board will depend on it
TravianTrav
I had a look at it. It seemed a bit clustered and a few pieces of information seemed left out so I figured I would make one of my own.
JamesBluntThatSmartassCunt
This would've been helpful nine months ago.
theaddicted
What about fans for the case? I'm thinking of doing a build in a few months but literally need baby instructions :)
Monochron
Also that one was specifically aimed at being a budget PC. You cover a lot more mid-upper range stuff :)
SweetGoodness
I have a question, I can build a sweet pc and all but if my internet is super shitty and slow, it doesn't matter how "fast" my new pc runs?
mremaknu
I thought to myself that the poster seemed to be assuming everybody understood every term he was using. Not a great teaching tool.
joon9498
I agree. This better than the other one
shonenjump1
Yours does have more relevant info about some aspects that you don't want to overlook, so thanks!
Doodle210
Yup, that OP didn't know how to explain things properly... made me want to make my own, glad you went ahead and did it.
IMakeLotsOfReferencesAndRemakes
As a Custom PC builder. I like it much better.
whatspaulplayingtoday
Plus you don't come off as a smug asshole, or identify yourself as "PC Masterrace" as the other dingbat did.
Kopar
Yeah, thanks for adding the bit about SSD. Still can't decide whether I'll get one.
jakeonehalf
I bought a Samsung 250GB SSD for $140 and I don't regret it... plenty of room, very fast and so far hasn't had any issues.
Diaminomaleonitrile
A SSD is great - all the small stuff starts instantly (browser, mediaplayer, office ...) and loading times in games are much shorter.
FingolfinHighKingoftheNoldor
If you are gaming (especially online ones) then a SSD is a lifesaver. Faster boot up times are awesome if you DC for some reason
WingedBull
It loads levels litteraly 10-100 times faster.
knox902
Just get a 120gb SSD for $90. You will not regret it.
IMakeLotsOfReferencesAndRemakes
Compromise. Get an SSHD.
Kopar
I'll have to look into that. Any you recommend?
IMakeLotsOfReferencesAndRemakes
Personally I wouldn't buy too big as s small SSD and a storage drive would cost just as much. 1TB/8GB at biggest.
IMakeLotsOfReferencesAndRemakes
Here is a video to determine if the compromise is good enough for you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iBhf8rpobo
eCigsandCoffee
Question from a past peasant box user. Could i build a PC and use a controller and set it up on a tv and use it just for gaming?
MightyG7
yup, exactly what I have done with my HT PC. Using an xbox 360 controller and wireless receiver. Google Steam big picture too.
Phenome
yup. XBox controllers are really easy to get going, if you get a wired one. Ps3 controllers also work but will take 3 minutes to set up.
Phenome
Basically a pc can do everything the consoles can do. only better :P pcgamingmasterrace.
Isorikk
If you already have a decent computer you can also use a Rasberry Pi and SteamOS to stream from your PC to your TV for much cheaper.
JonSnowForKing
Just make sure your motherboard supports HDMI, you can get adapters but it means you'll lose speed
frater93
Yes. That's what I partially use my HTPC for. Just make sure the GPU has an HDMI port, and a toslink connection if your using a reciever.
ZentharTheUnqualifiedMagician
Check out some Steam Boxes. There are a number of these floating around from different manufacturers, or you could make one yourself.
Nuds
yup that functionality is built into steam big picture mode: (http://store.steampowered.com/bigpicture/ )
Nuds
Just make sure your steam game has controller support, when you buy it look on the right side of the store page and check what it supports.
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westendgrills
Can I use a PS3 controller on a pc ?
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westendgrills
Ok thanks :) but do you think there would be a delay ? Would it be viable ?
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Kommanche
Yes, with DS3 tool and a Bluetooth dongle
westendgrills
Ok thanks :) but do you think there would be a delay ? Would it be viable ?
Kommanche
There's no delay/latency. I used to game using it myself.
bwk2421
I feel like an idiot asking this but explain it to me like I'm 5: What's the difference between RAM and HDD/SDD? Aren't they both storage?
bwk2421
Ok. So more RAM is for doing a lot of stuff at once while more HDD/SDD is for saving a lot of stuff. I actually got useful info from imgur!
eerongal
Ram is like the "scratch pad" for the computer. It jots down all its "notes" in the form variables, and these go away when shut down
ChomskyWouldnt
Ram is temporary storage, it requires constant power to maintain data. SSDs/HDDs are permanent storage, they keep things w/ or without power
ChomskyWouldnt
Ram is the fastest, followed by SSDs, then HDDs. Even faster than ram is the memory onboard the processor, called a cache (L1, L2, L3, etc).
sleete
Its the same as the diff between CPU cache and RAM. One's smaller and faster, other is bigger but slower. You'll see CPU cache when shopping
Isorikk
SSD and RAM both use basically the same storage method, the only real difference is what purpose they are tasked.
Tehadam
RAM is volatile, meaning it forgets without power. SSDs are not volatile.
whatthehellisgoingonhere
SSD and HDD are storage. SSD are fast, HDD are spacious. RAM is "live" memory, you PC uses it to store temporary files and processes
northhole
All data that is currently in use have to be in RAM. This is a very fast "storage tech" that most components in the pc can access directly.
protogenic
The most simple way to explain it is: RAM= desk space. More RAM is good, but too much is unnecessary. HDD is like storage/drawers.
Nandabun
Nice one. Just remember when you get up from your desk, everything on the desk falls out the window 4 stories and dies. IE, cleared.
RoyalSwish
They are, but with differences. RAM is like the short term memory a person has, HDD/SSD is like the long term memory a person has. (1)
RoyalSwish
RAM is for holding information for a short amount of time, HDD/SSD is for saving information as long as you want. (2)
MightyG7
RAM requires power to keep the stuff in storage. Ram is used for things you are working on now, so if you plan on doing lots of stuff.....
MightyG7
at the same time you need allot of ram, if you are only doing one or two tasks at a time you can get by with less. Gaming rigs are generally
MightyG7
only used for gaming so you dont need allot. Think of Ram as a 'to do' list for the cpu/gpu. The HDD/SDD is like a storage locker, keeps....
MightyG7
much more stuff but takes much longer to get stuff in and out. RAM is accessed muuuuuch faster than even SSDs
lenial
RAM is where you run stuff. HDD is where you save and install stuff. The bigger software you run, the more RAM you need. 8GB is generally ok
lenial
SSD is like very fast HDD. Install Windows and software there, use HDD as storage. 120GB SSD might be enough, 240GB is better.
Runvus
HDD/SSD is the warehouse. RAM is the workers who move the stuff to where you need it quickly.
uninquisitor
Question: Can I put an HDD and a SSD on the same computer? ie 1TB HDD for games, music, pictures and SSD for the OS?
RiskyDing0
Sure. Not clear which is the better drive for games though.
wowsocarsuchdrift
Yes. Make sure you leave room for your page file and hiberfile.sys!
northhole
Yes. Many newer motherboards can also use SSD as a cache for HDD. Quiote smart and cost effective. Google "Intel Smart response".
piggypoopballs
If you're looking for a how-to, this is what I used when I built mine and it worked just fine. (1/2)
piggypoopballs
http://www.overclock.net/t/664738/how-to-setup-ssd-boot-drive-with-secondary-hard-disc-optimization
Crytek117
Yes, this is in fact recommended and what I do myself. Generally I leave the SSD clear of any unnecessary programs except games I play most.
DAVdaBRAV
If you do it any other way you might as well burn your money. You can also put games on the SSD if you have ~5-10 extra seconds to boot up.
xboxhobo
That's exactly what I have and it's wonderful. 10/10 do recomend.
xboxhobo
That's exactly what I have and it's wonderful. 10/10 do recomend.
knox902
I just built a system for a client, 128gb SSD and a 1tb HDD cost $150 taxes in. He's very happy with the system.
Phenome
That is the most common setup in performance pcs these days.
xboxhobo
That's exactly what I have and it's wonderful. 10/10 do recomend.
ChomskyWouldnt
I'm responding to you right now from a computer where I have that exact setup... but put games on your SSD if you have space. Load times, yo
InboxMeYourOods
...it's really not that much of a difference
xboxhobo
That's exactly what I have and it's wonderful. 10/10 do recomend.
Monochron
Yeah in fact, that is what OP reccomends.
captainhowel
Even better: you can put as many of any types of drives that you want, assuming they all fit the case and can be plugged in.
xboxhobo
That's exactly what I have and it's wonderful. 10/10 do recomend.
smashadages
Yes you can put them on the same PC but don't allot the storage like you said. SSD for OS, programs, and games. HDD for music and pics.
Hybris51129
This is a recommended setup because SSD's have their life time shortened by constant rewriting. IE installing and uninstalling games.
piggypiglet
Yes, use the SSD for the operating system and software, files and games on normal HDD
PoppinLochNessHopster
I recommend putting your main game on your SSD as well, ie skyrim/WoW/battlefield etc, due to loading times.
piggypiglet
I've long given up with games on PC, got tired of constantly upgrading every few months.
PoppinLochNessHopster
Upgrading what? Your hardware? I've been using the same hardware for 2 years with no problems. Talk out of your ass less.
piggypiglet
Maybe things have stagnated now but used to be constant upgrades or 20 fps @ best. I just gave up on that shit more than 10 years ago. Bored
spynnr
If you've purchased an SSD why would you want to install the games on a HDD?
uninquisitor
I have a lot of games, but little money to buy a SSD with large storage. The HDD are much cheaper for more storage...
tarmael
SSDs are generally smaller in size. If you're booting from an SSD you will likely have not much room for games.
spynnr
You only need ~30-40gb to boot from for windows, if you get a 256 you have plenty of space for the games that need the speed.
ILikeCoke
BTW, don't get too small of an SSD. Bioshock Infinite on my SSD is like 45 gigs by itself.
InboxMeYourOods
Why is a game on your SSD? Only the OS needs to be.
BeeExpert
do you mean 4.5 gigs?!
ILikeCoke
That's cute =3/aZlU2zU
BeeExpert
You're cute ;(
BeeExpert
Hey, should i play bioshock 1&2 before infinite?
ILikeCoke
You don't have to, but I found Bioshock 1 to be the best game, story wise.
Metacomet
no, some games are enormous. For example Wolfenstein: TNO was close to 50 gigabytes. It came of like 5 cds for me, plus a steam download.
BeeExpert
Dayuuum! I thought 15 gigs was big. Good thing my Lenovo y510p will have a terabyte
NekoMiko06
Terabyte SSD?
Tsumino79
yes - its generally a good idea to set it up so "my music" and "my pictures" are stored on a HDD
accujimmy
why is that? A 7200RPM drive is plenty fast enough for pictures. Or get a hybrid drive and don't worry about it
buttobviousfacts
I think he said the same thing.
accujimmy
Maybe I read it wrong then. oh well
Tsumino79
because storing them on an SSD will fill the SSD up and could lessen the lifespan of the ssd if you write to it too much
flickerdart
He did say HDD.
accujimmy
I feel so idiot
Doodle210
Yes, the C: drive is my SSD, everything else are 7200 RPM drives. http://imgur.com/cThf1Wp
DotSlashNatalie
This doesn't include my Mediasonic-HF2-SU3S2 in a 8TB RAID-5![]()
DotSlashNatalie
Here is some nerd porn -
intercept
Someone's a big torrenter
uninquisitor
wow, how much did the rig cost you, if you don't mind me asking?
yehonatans
How much did the memory cost?
LiquidFracture
i bought 16 gB for 120 when it was a little cheaper. like OP said though, i really only needed 8.
FingolfinHighKingoftheNoldor
The most expensive pieces of a custom rig - Processor, GPU (can be the most expensive), and MOBO
whatthehellisgoingonhere
Storage isn't the most expensive part in a PC
buttobviousfacts
It is, if you have a 1TB Samsung Evo SSD
TheGreat78
If you have a 1tb ssd, then you should have $1500 worth of graphics cards in there as well
Doodle210
About $800, I plan on upgrading just before GTA V comes out. My advice, wait for Black Friday/Cyber Monday, tons of deals on Newegg.
McGamin
when is cyber monday?
Doodle210
The Monday after Black Friday, which falls on Nov 28 and Dec 1 for the Monday.
BilboT34Baggins
TL;DR: Everything's important so spend a lot of money.
Painium
Well, the pcpartpicker link helped me out a lot recently. Takes a 1200-1500 pc, makes it 700-900, if you look right.
evilkittie
most of the builds people want a second opinion on i have seen on pcpartpicker i have been able to improve at newegg only
Painium
Well the thing about pcpartpciker is that whatever options you choose from, they typically send you to the website with the best deal
evilkittie
true, but most overlook newegg's combo discounts and/or have a i7 and need a i5
Painium
Actually it shows the combo discounts as well, any item that has a combo will show what combo item goes with it
Tex16
TL;DR: Wait 'til microcenter is running a sale and build a $2,000 computer for <$800 like I did. Then you wont be a console peasant anymore.
altonbrowndeserveshisownmemefuckyouifyoudisagree
I bought a macbook air, am i doing it right?
evilkittie
if you goal was to spend money, yes
altonbrowndeserveshisownmemefuckyouifyoudisagree
fuck yes it was! and be able to get on imgur really really fast
lagrickjames
You don't have to. You can build a pc for $400 that will outperform an xbox one (guides on pcmasterrace)
wabitgirl
...not at all.
Temzilla
I don't recommend ever spending over $120 on a motherboard. Unless you're building a $1000+ PC, you shouldn't spend more than $70~
p34ce
Absolutely this. The extra money pays for bullshit features you will probably never use (the kind reviewers like to gibber on about).
LordofRiots
But clearly I need a chipset capable of supportign 4 graphics cards.
willer2122
I got a mini atx for free with my $130 fx-6350. On average, i only lose 5-7 frames over an i7 (gpu is sapphire 7950)
evilkittie
for OCing on air i would say 140 tops (intel) or 100 tops (AMD)
BilboT34Baggins
Oh yeah. Just because it's more expensive doesn't mean it's better
willer2122
Only time that would be true is if you were comparing workstation graphics (titan) to gaming gpu's (780ti)
PoppinLochNessHopster
It's a decent indicator, but the motherboard just isn't as important as this article implies.
BilboT34Baggins
The manufacturer is an indicator of quality. The specs are an indicator of usefulness. Usually spending $100-$120 is sufficient for a MB
PoppinLochNessHopster
I didn't say cost was the only indicator, but if a shitty cpu is 1000$ and is 3.0ghz then it will have 0 stars/eggs and 0 reviews.
Crytek117
If you're looking at a gaming PC you're most likely looking at or above $1000 anyway.
willer2122
not true
darrex
$40 motherboard, $100 processor, $100 for ram, $150 graphics card, $80 case, lots of fans and after market heat sink, $60 PSU.
buttobviousfacts
50$ motherboard, 120$ processor, 220$ graphics card, 300$ hooker.
willer2122
more like $50 mobo, $120 cpu, $70 ram, $180 gpu, $50 case, stock heatsink unless you're OCing, $60 semi or fully modular psu.
darrex
how much ram did you get for 70?
willer2122
8gb. I guess it's more like $80 tho.
tirusr
$80 MB, $100 CPU, $50 memory (2x2gb dual channels), $150 graphics, sub-$50 case, $60 high rated PSU and fill all fans slots.
darrex
Not really... I spent about $800 dollars to build my computer. I can run just about everything maxed out whereas my brother's computer (1/2)
LiquidFracture
What are your specs?
darrex
AMD fx quad core 3.6ghz, 16gb ram, geforce gtx 550ti
darrex
that was custom built cost $2700 and doesn't perform as well as mine does (2/2)
buttobviousfacts
Probably because the custom building service itself cost some money and dug into the PC budget.
ddog7x
there is absolutely no way that custom building costs more than a couple hundred, it's literally 2-3 hours work tops, and anyone could DIT
buttobviousfacts
When has 'absolutely no way' prevented things from happening? If people are foolish enough to pay 5K for a Mac, I think anything is possible
ddog7x
it's just a ridiculous markup because of course it is. probably alienware
iAreNubcake
I compared an Alienware build to a home-made build with the same (or equivalent) parts... it was about 2/3 the cost. GG.
Doodle210
A PC MUST be an investment... you want it to last a few years so you won't have to constantly keep upgrading.
VodkaReindeer
Buying cheaper stuff and upgrading them more often is a perfectly valid option, even if I'm not doing it.
cutiepatoodiepumpkinbooty
Upgrade? To Google...... *whispers* Ultron?
grackle
I disagree. Unless you need bleeding edge technology, you're better off going midrange and upgrading. You pay a big premium to be at the top
tirusr
If you plan right and buy quality components that last. You can have a computer that will keep you going for 5+ years with minor upgrades.
Doodle210
So much this...
BilboT34Baggins
Don't disagree there. I've been running the same build for 2 years. Just saying, some people don't have the money to 'invest'
SlightlyNormal
I've been on a same budget build for ~4 years. Finally changed.
BilboT34Baggins
The tech really leveled off about 3 years ago. My 2 year old build: 4.2GHz quad core, 16Gb ram, 120 Gb SSD, and a 1Gb DDR3 Graphics card
SlightlyNormal
Yeah.. kinda sucks that I just upgraded as new tech starts surfacing. DDR5 memory and new CPU's.
Lugh314159
If you're not using it for development or gaming, you really don't need to upgrade at all. My current desktop is 10+ y/o running Win XP.
Rubbertje
Me too. but i'm starting to get trouble with chrome and other stuff, making my PC run slower than my Pentium III back then.
Doodle210
That's... not a good idea. If you have the specs, PM me and I can work with you on getting Win8.
DontLoseYourWay
So why wouldn't I just buy a piece of hardware that I KNOW will continue to work for the things I want to do?
PoppinLochNessHopster
That made no sense at all.
Doodle210
Depends on the things you want, and if you will want more in the future.
willer2122
What do you want do do?
DontLoseYourWay
Kill all the TITANS!!
willer2122
They're awesome cards that do what they're meant to very well
BilboT34Baggins
aaahhhh. Just don't change the things you want to do (or play any new video games) and you'll do just fine!
DontLoseYourWay
I've never had that problem. I'm on PC now since I graduated and have real income, but playing consoles never had a shortage of games...
BilboT34Baggins
Yeah it all depends. I don't even really game anymore. My PC is for running algorithms and design now. It can play games fine, but eh
BilboT34Baggins
Yeah it all depends. I don't even really game anymore. My PC is for running algorithms and design now. It can play games fine, but eh