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RadlanJay
Rimworld has difficulty settings that make huge difference. The game is piece of cake on lower settings.
Killertortilla
Ark: There's too many bugs to even know if there's any loops. All feedback is ignored.
Healbot
Rimworld; dangers scale with wealth. Dangers give organs, slaves, skins and materials to sell for more wealth. Best loop.
SiIverBird
factorio: literally every problem is fun to solve, regardless of whether you end up launching a rocket or get devoured by bugs
Lanka
Oxygen Not Included: Your colony works. Until space sausages refuse to build oxygen generator in area without oxygen. You die. Slowly.
TheMightyMoto
Chuckle
shinyRK9
Dark Souls: YOU DIED
LoTRFanatic42
Your souls are forfeit and your health is reduced. This is a negative feedback loop.
SonOfOden
CS:GO winning 10 to 0. Lose one round and your team starts raging and blaming the guy with least kills or last one alive that round. Lovely.
JaceVentura
Fucking love rimworld
ShutTheFrontDoors
This is a little inaccurate. Positive feedback does not mean something good is happening. It means change is encouraged. It is bothering me.
Namotatop
Isaac: You did well, here's a preview of what you would have won if it wasn't for ten boss enemies spawning inside your face for no reason.
TypicallyKyle
Plus, with XCOM, it's rather balanced. There's always that one lucky or unlucky turn that could ruin your unstoppable death god.
ExpendableTestPilot
i think last one should be about dwarf fortress
SeptemSeptem
Tl;Dr Positive FDBK loop means you will likely keeping whatever momentum you have, a negative FDBK loop means your momentum will oscillate.
TheDweadPiwateWoberts
Even the lowliest of spearmen can take out the hardiest of marines - Oda Nobunaga probably
SharkyMcSnarkface
*Laughs in Bushido*
PhailRaptor
Japan would say that, with their Civ Unique...
Yep, that's what I was going for - apparently you're the only one that got it though!
PudgyPinkiePie
Random Randy says time for Mandatory FUN
CommentProvider
It was all going well until a wave of manhunting corgis attacked, killing everyone.
Cancerousxhit
*insert sensible chuckle*
TheMostSensibleofChuckles
What did you say?
3point1459
Saved to use for teaching feedback loops in my lectures
bitemark
Atari 2600: all levels are the same, they just get harder and faster til you die. This is called: life.
Zerker700
Xcom. That soldier is only unstopable untill that sectopod crits a 17% shot. Then hes gone, you lack behind for dumping every into one guy.
snozzleburt
Rimworld has unavoidable random events that can kill your electricity or wipe out your crops. You can lose all your stockpiled food at anyti
Anytime without doing anything wrong.
Studoku
Factorio: You are winning. You automate a production line to make more win.
SergeOrge
until your base is so insanely vast the UPS drop so hard that its slower than before ;)
Flapjacktastic
Dwarf Fortress: You are losing. Every time. You lose. FUN.
SalivalThirdEye
Rim-World is just dwarf fortress on "Very Easy"
SenOfFiveTails
I mean- RimWorld is basically a less featured Dwarf Fortress with updated graphics in a lot of ways
Lutki
And ya know, the UI makes sense and the mechanics are pretty strait foward
Doctadeth
Someone made an embark on a terrifying biome with an aquifer and only 1 pick. They made a fortress and survived...They won
NeverConfusedForNaught
. I'm just casually leaving a dot here
CodeWarrior
You just won. Change your name to Urist McFlapjacktastic and collect your reward, an Elephant Bone Earring with menacing spikes of jade 1/2
All craftsdwarfship is of the highest quality. 2/2
pyre
Earring is stolen by a kobold, crafter goes berserk and kills popular mayor, tantrum spiral ensues, you are losing again!
b1ohazard777
*laughs in dwarf fortress*
TwistedAttitudes
I love rimworld. I had a colonist lose her arm by walking into the trap she built, and then she lost her other arm the same way.
SiIenzio
I would be that stupid
One time someone was getting leg surgery "Major accident- Cut on neck", "WHAT ARE YOU DOING that's not an accident that's attempted murder"
SinStar87
"Don't Blame me! maybe you should have saved the medical texts from the crash instead of the chocolate, Greg!"
taara001
*faint shouting* Fuck you Greg!
UnknownSquid
I once had a collony meltdown, where 80% of my people were wounded in the (makeshift expanded) hospital, whilst the only doctor was throwing
4) best to save everyone else in the colony from infection or starving to death in a coma. By the time the doctor finally came back she was
6) went to bed for two days. He was equally as brilliant in the medical arts as he was utterly useless in mental and social stability.
2) a tantrum over being friend zoned. He removed all his clothes and went wandering around the wilderness in the snow for over a day. Meanw-
7) Miraculously the colony made a full recovery, all spare a few scars and trauma stemming from untrained sleep deprived medical attention.
3) meanwhile my one other sufficiently healthy colonist who's only accomplished skills were hauling rocks and knife fighting, was doing her
5) over worked to the point of nearing her own mental breakdown. Probably one involving more knives. The doctor had caught a fever and just
skwint
That was a very well armed trap
Wait I just got the pun, excellent
ToastedVanilla
Nier - you are winning but everything is just depressing. Did you really even win at all? Was there even any meaning to it?
Can robots comprehend winning? Or happiness? Play again to find out. But probably not
Team Fortress 2: there is no feedback loop. Only hats. Only hats and dancing.
DefinetlyNotARussianSpy
and MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIC
You forget sandvich
Gorgrim
X-Com 2: You are winning. Suddenly your squad gets jumped by 3 groups of enemies, you miss every shot, you lost.
Freakingdoomguy
You could drop a nuke on a group of enemies and it would graze everyone
Bassaker
Save often.
BlueskydragonFX
Mumted123
Xcom 2 one is sadly true, good challenge at the start, mid game pure frustration then late game with everything researched a total breeze =/
metascout
Damn how late is late game? I had 3 max level guys and 3 near about there when I met the snake boss and yea.... miss miss dead...
IMadeThisAccountForButts
x-com 2: you flank an enemy and your soldier has 95% chance to hit, you miss and the enemy slaughters your troops
x-com 2: You move your last guy to somewhere that should be safe. Spots 2 enemy groups who slaughters everyone
Ljnoodles
Loading screen: Gate Crashers.
MrHaynies
What's rim world?
Spalooga
Prison architect mod
eldorel
It's on steam, but the name is "Rimworld" (no space). It's great if challenging games that make you think and support mods are your style.
A really great survival/colony management simulator, much recommend
Shargan8
A place where you do a lot of rim jobs to survive.
MandaloreTheDefiler
Space Opera Simulator.
TheCarolingian
Its a very specialized brothel near where I live. So I'm told.
ProxyPlayerHD
5 seconds on google would give you the Steam page and great explanations and videos
RealityIsOftenDisappointing
Dwarf Fortress style game on alien planets. Your goal is to get rescued. Many chaotic and routine events conspire to block you.
confanity
A sci-fi themed commercial clone of the classic Dwarf Fortress concept.
Crustypeanut
BEST GAME EVER
OverlyOptimisticGuy
A world where every rimpeople go about their rimjobs everyday ...
jimbeamisnotmylover
A competitive strategy game where women compete to become Lord of the Rim
TheAnswerWasAlwaysMoreLube
A game I have spent more hours and mods in than skyrim. If you got that special itch, nothing scratches it better.
akalien
A top down crashed on an alien planet colony survival game where you give people coke do they work faster
kirbysdead
Don't forget the human skin hats
Zyrixion
The faces on my hat may not be smiling, but I sure am!
LiterallyWorseThanHitler
Though for some reason one human corpse doesn't even give you enough leather for a single hat
NZSheeps
Human skin is very thin. You have to use a few layers to get a decent hat ... theoretically.
JeezusJuice
NickBlight
In defense of Mario Kart the rules aren't supposed to make the game fair, they're supposed to make the game interesting.
BustyCrustacean
An experienced player will still win 90% of the time whilst less seasoned players will still enjoy playing - and improving
DiceyBusiness
There is something about Mario Kart that no matter what, I will invariably be shit at it.
Thethingfromtheshadows
I still think the game 'Blur' handled the blueshell better though.
Rediix
Oh snap I fucking loved blur
bobon123
Negative feedback is not a flaw of the game: It is a very common game design strategy in most PvP games, to keep things balanced.
Wazzu
I still think Blue Shell is awful design. But being fair, it stops the people at the front, and keeps the people at the back involved.
pita26
What makes you say it's awful design?
Many believe the point of powerups is to improve your relative positioning. Make the early worse, improve your speed, defend spot in lead.
Blue shell doesn't help you win, but it can completely fuck up another player who was otherwise playing correctly (explosion makes it more)
But it certainly can improve your relative positioning. Just because it's impact is more directed toward the front of the pack doesn't 1/2
Worth noting that, unlike the image, the Blue Shell rarely, if ever, benefits the person who actually uses it
Kuvajainen
You have to know how to benefit from it. It's a huge help like all the loser items.
thepicklebucket
They are supposed to let a 14-year old, a 6-year old, and a 40-year old play the same game
Been there, done that and got the 80-year-old grandmother to join in too. It's the best form of gaming.
koopaya
And they do it very well. I just wish Nintendo devs would've expanded on SSBM's awesome rules and not diluted Brawl to "same game" mentality
nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnm
Problem is, at least for 8, if you are good and everyone else a noob, you will still win all the time, blue shell or not.
Hatsunn
That was always the case.. with all Mario Karts... part of the reason why I don't like playing against my friends anymore
BigBidiza
This. Mario Kart is not an e-sports racing game, but first and foremost a fun partygame (atleast if you got the blue shell.)
serpentinebaboo
Navy here. Took the N64 on a 6 mo deployment. My roommates and I played every mariokart level every day. Strategic losing for more powerful
Weapons is a good strategy. Especially holding strategic Lightning’s to hit then prior to a jump.
borgmaster
When double dash was big i trolled the hell out of my friends. Every now and then i would get a star and save it. Blue shells can suck it.
FreeHealthCare
Fucking casual
TheManInTheWall
We need more fun, party games and less esport games
PartyMagician
How about we have both
Crowlands
Except people turn them into esports games. There are tier lists and banned stages for Smash Bros.
JHawke
Yes, but that doesn't change that if you completely ignore the esports bullshit. It is a enjoyable game.
True dat.
adddaaaammmmm
Until you have the one friend who “goes to competitions” and ruins it for everyone. I’m talking to you Sean you’re not that good
RadlanJay
Rimworld has difficulty settings that make huge difference. The game is piece of cake on lower settings.
Killertortilla
Ark: There's too many bugs to even know if there's any loops. All feedback is ignored.
Healbot
Rimworld; dangers scale with wealth. Dangers give organs, slaves, skins and materials to sell for more wealth. Best loop.
SiIverBird
factorio: literally every problem is fun to solve, regardless of whether you end up launching a rocket or get devoured by bugs
Lanka
Oxygen Not Included: Your colony works. Until space sausages refuse to build oxygen generator in area without oxygen. You die. Slowly.
TheMightyMoto
Chuckle
shinyRK9
Dark Souls: YOU DIED
LoTRFanatic42
Your souls are forfeit and your health is reduced. This is a negative feedback loop.
SonOfOden
CS:GO winning 10 to 0. Lose one round and your team starts raging and blaming the guy with least kills or last one alive that round. Lovely.
JaceVentura
Fucking love rimworld
ShutTheFrontDoors
This is a little inaccurate. Positive feedback does not mean something good is happening. It means change is encouraged. It is bothering me.
Namotatop
Isaac: You did well, here's a preview of what you would have won if it wasn't for ten boss enemies spawning inside your face for no reason.
TypicallyKyle
Plus, with XCOM, it's rather balanced. There's always that one lucky or unlucky turn that could ruin your unstoppable death god.
ExpendableTestPilot
i think last one should be about dwarf fortress
SeptemSeptem
Tl;Dr Positive FDBK loop means you will likely keeping whatever momentum you have, a negative FDBK loop means your momentum will oscillate.
TheDweadPiwateWoberts
Even the lowliest of spearmen can take out the hardiest of marines - Oda Nobunaga probably
SharkyMcSnarkface
*Laughs in Bushido*
PhailRaptor
Japan would say that, with their Civ Unique...
TheDweadPiwateWoberts
Yep, that's what I was going for - apparently you're the only one that got it though!
PudgyPinkiePie
Random Randy says time for Mandatory FUN
CommentProvider
It was all going well until a wave of manhunting corgis attacked, killing everyone.
Cancerousxhit
*insert sensible chuckle*
TheMostSensibleofChuckles
What did you say?
3point1459
Saved to use for teaching feedback loops in my lectures
bitemark
Atari 2600: all levels are the same, they just get harder and faster til you die. This is called: life.
Zerker700
Xcom. That soldier is only unstopable untill that sectopod crits a 17% shot. Then hes gone, you lack behind for dumping every into one guy.
snozzleburt
Rimworld has unavoidable random events that can kill your electricity or wipe out your crops. You can lose all your stockpiled food at anyti
snozzleburt
Anytime without doing anything wrong.
Studoku
Factorio: You are winning. You automate a production line to make more win.
SergeOrge
until your base is so insanely vast the UPS drop so hard that its slower than before ;)
Flapjacktastic
Dwarf Fortress: You are losing. Every time. You lose. FUN.
SalivalThirdEye
Rim-World is just dwarf fortress on "Very Easy"
SenOfFiveTails
I mean- RimWorld is basically a less featured Dwarf Fortress with updated graphics in a lot of ways
Lutki
And ya know, the UI makes sense and the mechanics are pretty strait foward
Doctadeth
Someone made an embark on a terrifying biome with an aquifer and only 1 pick. They made a fortress and survived...They won
NeverConfusedForNaught
. I'm just casually leaving a dot here
CodeWarrior
You just won. Change your name to Urist McFlapjacktastic and collect your reward, an Elephant Bone Earring with menacing spikes of jade 1/2
CodeWarrior
All craftsdwarfship is of the highest quality. 2/2
pyre
Earring is stolen by a kobold, crafter goes berserk and kills popular mayor, tantrum spiral ensues, you are losing again!
b1ohazard777
*laughs in dwarf fortress*
TwistedAttitudes
I love rimworld. I had a colonist lose her arm by walking into the trap she built, and then she lost her other arm the same way.
SiIenzio
I would be that stupid
TwistedAttitudes
One time someone was getting leg surgery "Major accident- Cut on neck", "WHAT ARE YOU DOING that's not an accident that's attempted murder"
SinStar87
"Don't Blame me! maybe you should have saved the medical texts from the crash instead of the chocolate, Greg!"
taara001
*faint shouting* Fuck you Greg!
UnknownSquid
I once had a collony meltdown, where 80% of my people were wounded in the (makeshift expanded) hospital, whilst the only doctor was throwing
UnknownSquid
4) best to save everyone else in the colony from infection or starving to death in a coma. By the time the doctor finally came back she was
UnknownSquid
6) went to bed for two days. He was equally as brilliant in the medical arts as he was utterly useless in mental and social stability.
UnknownSquid
2) a tantrum over being friend zoned. He removed all his clothes and went wandering around the wilderness in the snow for over a day. Meanw-
UnknownSquid
7) Miraculously the colony made a full recovery, all spare a few scars and trauma stemming from untrained sleep deprived medical attention.
UnknownSquid
3) meanwhile my one other sufficiently healthy colonist who's only accomplished skills were hauling rocks and knife fighting, was doing her
UnknownSquid
5) over worked to the point of nearing her own mental breakdown. Probably one involving more knives. The doctor had caught a fever and just
skwint
That was a very well armed trap
TwistedAttitudes
Wait I just got the pun, excellent
ToastedVanilla
Nier - you are winning but everything is just depressing. Did you really even win at all? Was there even any meaning to it?
MulansSzechuanSauce
Can robots comprehend winning? Or happiness? Play again to find out. But probably not
SharkyMcSnarkface
Team Fortress 2: there is no feedback loop. Only hats. Only hats and dancing.
DefinetlyNotARussianSpy
and MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIC
MulansSzechuanSauce
You forget sandvich
Gorgrim
X-Com 2: You are winning. Suddenly your squad gets jumped by 3 groups of enemies, you miss every shot, you lost.
Freakingdoomguy
You could drop a nuke on a group of enemies and it would graze everyone
Bassaker
Save often.
BlueskydragonFX
Mumted123
Xcom 2 one is sadly true, good challenge at the start, mid game pure frustration then late game with everything researched a total breeze =/
metascout
Damn how late is late game? I had 3 max level guys and 3 near about there when I met the snake boss and yea.... miss miss dead...
IMadeThisAccountForButts
x-com 2: you flank an enemy and your soldier has 95% chance to hit, you miss and the enemy slaughters your troops
Gorgrim
x-com 2: You move your last guy to somewhere that should be safe. Spots 2 enemy groups who slaughters everyone
Ljnoodles
Loading screen: Gate Crashers.
MrHaynies
What's rim world?
Spalooga
Prison architect mod
eldorel
It's on steam, but the name is "Rimworld" (no space). It's great if challenging games that make you think and support mods are your style.
TwistedAttitudes
A really great survival/colony management simulator, much recommend
Shargan8
A place where you do a lot of rim jobs to survive.
MandaloreTheDefiler
Space Opera Simulator.
TheCarolingian
Its a very specialized brothel near where I live. So I'm told.
ProxyPlayerHD
5 seconds on google would give you the Steam page and great explanations and videos
RealityIsOftenDisappointing
Dwarf Fortress style game on alien planets. Your goal is to get rescued. Many chaotic and routine events conspire to block you.
confanity
A sci-fi themed commercial clone of the classic Dwarf Fortress concept.
Crustypeanut
BEST GAME EVER
OverlyOptimisticGuy
A world where every rimpeople go about their rimjobs everyday ...
jimbeamisnotmylover
A competitive strategy game where women compete to become Lord of the Rim
TheAnswerWasAlwaysMoreLube
A game I have spent more hours and mods in than skyrim. If you got that special itch, nothing scratches it better.
akalien
A top down crashed on an alien planet colony survival game where you give people coke do they work faster
kirbysdead
Don't forget the human skin hats
Zyrixion
The faces on my hat may not be smiling, but I sure am!
LiterallyWorseThanHitler
Though for some reason one human corpse doesn't even give you enough leather for a single hat
NZSheeps
Human skin is very thin. You have to use a few layers to get a decent hat ... theoretically.
JeezusJuice
NickBlight
In defense of Mario Kart the rules aren't supposed to make the game fair, they're supposed to make the game interesting.
BustyCrustacean
An experienced player will still win 90% of the time whilst less seasoned players will still enjoy playing - and improving
DiceyBusiness
There is something about Mario Kart that no matter what, I will invariably be shit at it.
Thethingfromtheshadows
I still think the game 'Blur' handled the blueshell better though.
Rediix
Oh snap I fucking loved blur
bobon123
Negative feedback is not a flaw of the game: It is a very common game design strategy in most PvP games, to keep things balanced.
Wazzu
I still think Blue Shell is awful design. But being fair, it stops the people at the front, and keeps the people at the back involved.
pita26
What makes you say it's awful design?
Wazzu
Many believe the point of powerups is to improve your relative positioning. Make the early worse, improve your speed, defend spot in lead.
Wazzu
Blue shell doesn't help you win, but it can completely fuck up another player who was otherwise playing correctly (explosion makes it more)
pita26
But it certainly can improve your relative positioning. Just because it's impact is more directed toward the front of the pack doesn't 1/2
PhailRaptor
Worth noting that, unlike the image, the Blue Shell rarely, if ever, benefits the person who actually uses it
Kuvajainen
You have to know how to benefit from it. It's a huge help like all the loser items.
thepicklebucket
They are supposed to let a 14-year old, a 6-year old, and a 40-year old play the same game
Kuvajainen
Been there, done that and got the 80-year-old grandmother to join in too. It's the best form of gaming.
koopaya
And they do it very well. I just wish Nintendo devs would've expanded on SSBM's awesome rules and not diluted Brawl to "same game" mentality
nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnm
Problem is, at least for 8, if you are good and everyone else a noob, you will still win all the time, blue shell or not.
Hatsunn
That was always the case.. with all Mario Karts... part of the reason why I don't like playing against my friends anymore
BigBidiza
This. Mario Kart is not an e-sports racing game, but first and foremost a fun partygame (atleast if you got the blue shell.)
serpentinebaboo
Navy here. Took the N64 on a 6 mo deployment. My roommates and I played every mariokart level every day. Strategic losing for more powerful
serpentinebaboo
Weapons is a good strategy. Especially holding strategic Lightning’s to hit then prior to a jump.
borgmaster
When double dash was big i trolled the hell out of my friends. Every now and then i would get a star and save it. Blue shells can suck it.
FreeHealthCare
Fucking casual
TheManInTheWall
We need more fun, party games and less esport games
PartyMagician
How about we have both
Crowlands
Except people turn them into esports games. There are tier lists and banned stages for Smash Bros.
JHawke
Yes, but that doesn't change that if you completely ignore the esports bullshit. It is a enjoyable game.
Crowlands
True dat.
adddaaaammmmm
Until you have the one friend who “goes to competitions” and ruins it for everyone. I’m talking to you Sean you’re not that good