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https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2018/02/12/585130274/trump-administration-wants-to-decide-what-food-snap-recipients-will-get
8&9 omitted cause people find one questionable thing and dismiss all other concerns.
Hunger free America doesn't want this, President of WIC says its bad idea.
The poor are people too and deserve to choose between the cheapest stock available like you would deserve if you were poor.
This looks like communism, but is pushed by a republican.
Scottyswans
These were all very good question on a topic that affects me 0%
frake
It's so bad and fucked up it will succeed with the Republicans.
RumbleNtheJungle
I’m positive crooked politicians would take advantage of this program. But if not I feel like it would be worth exploring.
NewtGinGrinch
If anyone cares to argue that this has any merit at all. Please PM me. I'd love to hear from you.
GiantRobotsRule
Here's your box of soylent green. Stop whining and try to be more bootstrappy next time.
Dionysianmasks
22% more people flavor, right on!
AddictiveTendancies
It's almost like they're purposefully trying to destroy our country. Don't even get me started on Betsy Devos and her cuts to education...
Dionysianmasks
It does seem that and even worse when you consider trump influence by Russia. It sounds like a conspiracy theory, but it's also kinda obviou
jrhawk42
I'm all for reform that helps SNAP recipients eat healthier... but after seeing Trump handle PR I see rich people profiting off the poor.
Dionysianmasks
Over and over again cousin.
jayphat
Since SNAP goes to lower income folks, what are they supposed to do when it's STOLEN off their doorstep?
Dionysianmasks
Diet
Dionysianmasks
Dark humor is a lot like food, not everyone gets it.
woozle
"American poor people aren't wretched enough!" ~says President
woozle
http://www.justharvest.org/advocacy/the-truth-about-snap-food-stamps/
GnomeAndGarden
I'll take this moment to invite anyone thinking poor people are getting too much money to try the SNAP Challenge for themselves.
GnomeAndGarden
http://site.foodshare.org/site/PageServer?pagename=programs_movement_education_snapchallenge
Whwat
bbbut that sweet sweet $20 a month!
JuggsMcbulge
Why should the government be obligated to take care of poor people? Aren't there plenty of independent programs that work better?
Syrmerlin
Taxes are the dividends the government collects for investing in its people. It can't withdraw its investment and still continue to collect.
Dionysianmasks
No. It's the governments job because they represent those poor people. Are you serious?
Luffian
Who is the food bought from, and which gov't agent gets to make that choice? Sounds like a great chance for more cronyism.
VitaminJay
I've read the NPR article, it realllly looks like General Mills had a hand in it.
brokenbrainbow
It's a chance for the government to involve itself in farm price fixing, nothing more nothing less. Huge markets have one more buyer
PileOfWalthers
All that idiot would have to do is shut the fuck up and not do any fucking thing at all and he'd get my approval. But nooooo.
PileOfWalthers
Anybody remember the (justified, IMHO) outrage over "Michelle Obama lunches"? Google that if you forgotten already.
PileOfWalthers
Or the equally justified outrage over schools throwing away children's lunches they brought from home because "they weren't healthy"?
Dionysianmasks
Is not about healthy. "healthy" is just to f you from the fact they're cutting funding by half. With no back up plan.
PileOfWalthers
That's what it is, a petty, pointless "fuck you".
BestUsernameICouldThinkOf
I'll agree the logistics on this are pretty bad, but god forbid people want their tax dollars meant to feed people to be used wisely.
BallsMcCracken
Exactly, they won't starve but they aren't getting lobster either
GnomeAndGarden
This is not a plan for spending wisely. It's a call to the pork barrel.
mickison
As usual with this administration it’s “proposal” is seriously lacking on details so it’s highly questionable that it will actually save 1/2
mickison
money and is likely to create more problems.
EverNotRelevant
If you're going to take that tack, consider: who has better knowledge/judgement about what the poor need? A politician in DC...
EverNotRelevant
Or the person who actually knows what their exact situation is
EverNotRelevant
This is exactly the kind of govt overreach the GOP claim to care about, but implement as soon as they have the chance.
Whwat
so they can say `see, govt doesnt work'.
TheMightyMoto
It's a terrible idea. I have no idea how it's suppose to be cheaper unless the boxes are filled with the crappiest of food.
Whwat
he says the govt can negotiate prices when they bulk buy...which they say they CANT do with meds.
woozle
oh they will be.....they will be
brokenbrainbow
Not crappy food. Staple food. Stuff you can survive on. Dry rice, beans, peanut butter, government cheese. Sure as hell no hamburgers
eion85
All the stuff that food pantries have tons of. SNAP is good because it let's the poor buy non staples.
brokenbrainbow
Exactly. So ask yourself what is this program supposed to accomplish? GOVERNMENT PRICE FIXING in volatile food markets
eion85
Hard to see that when the consumer gets to decide how to spend their benefit. School lunches are a better example.
brokenbrainbow
As an aside, anyone who thinks rice and beans is crappy food have never had an abuela to cook for them
eion85
I didn't say it was crappy food.
GnomeAndGarden
Just like all the previous "reforms" this is designed to punish people for being poor, going back to the BS about "welfare queens."
Dionysianmasks
Since Rome we have been arguing about feeding the poor.
letstalknews
Its funny b/c it will punish his base more than he understands....which im fine with.
NewtGinGrinch
I's not so funny for me b/c I have family and friends who get to eat because of food stamps.
GnomeAndGarden
On the one hand,I'm a little ok with this, otoh, I grew up on food stamps, so... no.
letstalknews
Naw I want it to happen it will end a stereotype and in a glorious way America needs some harsh truths thrown in its face.
brokenbrainbow
This is how it worked in the early 80's. My Nana had a box delivered to her every month with dry rice, beans, powdered milk, gov. cheese \1
brokenbrainbow
\6 be given the immense market leverage over dairy and grain markets that haven't seen intervention in several decades. Small gov. idealists
brokenbrainbow
\5 decide for yourself whether you believe the recipients ought to be able to choose shitty food over staple food and whether the gov should
Whwat
ur nana shouldve got a jerb /s
brokenbrainbow
She retired at 68 and lived to be 94 on social security and food stamps. We're all fucked now with our 401k's subject to market swings.
brokenbrainbow
\2 peanut butter, and some other stuff that varied monthly. The program gave the Reagan admin more weight in price fixing dairy prices. If
brokenbrainbow
\7 should be up in arms over the change but they won't
Dionysianmasks
They are the ones backing it. It's a republican idea
brokenbrainbow
Yes. The party that has foresight to invest in Johnson & Johnson before they force huge numbers of people to bend over and spread
Dionysianmasks
They run government into the ground.
brokenbrainbow
They sure do, and they get fucking FILTHY rich doing it
Dionysianmasks
They caused every economic collapse in the past 100 years
brokenbrainbow
And they're going to keep doing it so long as people have knee-jerk reactions to changes that half the people voted for with the \1
brokenbrainbow
\2 unseen side effect of consolidating more power into fewer hands and those hands are not ones that have ever touched an EBT card
brokenbrainbow
\4 be bartered away or sold for illicit substances etc. but it has the effect of limiting freedom of choice for beneficiaries. You have to
Dionysianmasks
Is better if it's stolen off the porch.
brokenbrainbow
Literally everyone will get the exact same box in neighborhoods where you have to worry about someone stealing your peanut butter and rice
Dionysianmasks
Hungry people don't steal, right? Let's just distribute it like meals on wheels, a system he said doesn't work.
brokenbrainbow
Your anger is making you miss the real point of this. The federal government does not need the power to manipulate BASIC food prices
brokenbrainbow
\3 you ask me my opinion, this is a better program from a federal standpoint because it isn't just giving money away on debit cards that can
Dionysianmasks
It is bad for consumers, specifically the most vulnerable people in our society.
brokenbrainbow
\2 surplus dairy to keep milk prices high and the free market will no longer adjust to the surpluses
brokenbrainbow
No, it's not. It's still feeding the poor. It's bad for everyone else because the dairy market doesn't need the influence of the fed buying
Whwat
make one comment and then reply to yourself like the rest of us do please:/
brokenbrainbow
I did but i kept my replies flat and numbered... should I have nested each one?
Dionysianmasks
Because the poor need the gov to decide what they eat
brokenbrainbow
You need to see the bigger picture here. Nobody is going to care that a poor kid can't eat at mcdonalds on the government's dime.
Spinzaku
This reform is attempting to address the abuse of the SNAP system, which you're apparently not familiar with. The poor in America are (1/2)
Dionysianmasks
Is an attempt to cut spending on the poor. Very obvious. Making us fight for food.
Spinzaku
The food they will be mailed is healthy and edible and they still have SNAP dollars. The saying "beggars can't be choosers" applies.
Dionysianmasks
Beggars are still people and deserve to have a choice in the food they eat. They get the cheapest because poverty, now they can't choose?
Spinzaku
(2/3) not in danger of starvation, and frankly they tend to eat very unhealthily. This reform is not the end of times.
Spinzaku
(3) besides which, it's fucking free food, stop complaining.
Cobra10106
Yes, so much this. While some people are honest the ones in my town sell the majorty of the stamps they get to buy pot and pills.
Spinzaku
Exactly. Personally I would alter EBT/SNAP so you can only buy fruits, meat and veggies. Maybe baking supplies.
Cobra10106
The only people fighting for EBT are the honest people and it seems like they dont think the people that abuse the system are real.
Dionysianmasks
Free food they already had access to in a business, not a government supply depot. This is America, not the ussr with bread lines
Spinzaku
This is not a coherent thought.
Dionysianmasks
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Dionysianmasks
Hunger is always a danger. You're talking to someone who struggled with hunger. Watch your mouth.
Spinzaku
You're talking to someone who did as well, but my hispanic mom was too proud to get welfare. Watch your assumptions.
Dionysianmasks
That's her problem. The help was there. She refused. Blame your mom. I do.
brokenbrainbow
This will not limit poor people from getting food. The poor in the USA are the only poor people in the world with an obesity problem.
Dionysianmasks
So let's give them a mandatory diet plan.
brokenbrainbow
\2 So maybe stop fighting me. Start fighting against an executive branch with too much power. Fucking Republicans will respond to that
brokenbrainbow
You know the Trump administration is suffering from one catastrophic failure after another. This could actually pass and gain some traction
Dionysianmasks
This won't because it's an insult to the impoverished and like everything else nearly no one wants it. Like we're being raped. Imagine that.
brokenbrainbow
This is what I'm trying to hammer into your head... You don't have the numbers you think you have.
brokenbrainbow
IF - You have to make a moral argument, do you really want it to go the same unsung accident as election night? Where everyone is surprised
Dionysianmasks
Where are your numbers from
ImOldGreggAndIDrinkBaileysFromAShoe
Every $ spent on the SNAP program generates $1.73 in GDP. Wconomic growth is good so whats Whats the real reason for a cut?
Dionysianmasks
Some people gotta be hungry to be fiscally responsible.
bigassdolphin
I'm diabetic. SNAP was what allowed me to have a diet that wouldn't actively make the condition worse.
brokenbrainbow
Trump admin takes a page from Reagan and wants to get into price fixing basic food markets. Markets that haven't seen federals in decades
biolologist
Deliberately trying to break the US government. Just look at Trump's appointment of people to head agencies they have directly attacked.
P7M8
put everyone on SNAP!
ImOldGreggAndIDrinkBaileysFromAShoe
It o ly works when someone who wouldnt have normally bought that food buys it.
P7M8
so if I had kept that money in my paycheck, I wouldn't have spent it?
ImOldGreggAndIDrinkBaileysFromAShoe
What?
WorldsSmallestMegaDick
That's if you assume that the money taken from the economy by taxes just magically appeared out of nowhere instead of someone else's pockets
biolologist
That makes no sense and that number is from the CBO so not partisan in any way.
WorldsSmallestMegaDick
We don't have a problem with the cbo calculating it we have a problem with them calculating the velocity of snap but ignoring the velocity +
WorldsSmallestMegaDick
The dollar it took would have had and saying we've created a positive program.
bzort
Makes perfect sense. Where do YOU think the gov't gets money from?
biolologist
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_money
WorldsSmallestMegaDick
You know they have to pay that money back right and if they don't it leads to inflation which is a tax on savings.
Luffian
Some people use foodstamps to buy stuff that isn't food, and over-react.
ImOldGreggAndIDrinkBaileysFromAShoe
I know, its just funny how something that greatly benifits all people gets reduced to trivial arguements
vaultboyarchie
I know it off topic but I think your username is fantastic!
VitaminJay
You, sir or madam, have no idea what you can or cannot buy with food stamps. I pray you never need to learn.
Luffian
Was on food stamps growing up, so I know a thing or two about them like how you can (could? this was back when they were paper) trade 1/?
Luffian
them for $.70 on the $1 to other people or shady shop keeps to buy whatever you want. MOST people don't do this, but because it happens 2/?
Luffian
at all the crowd that cries about "welfare queens" go apeshit and over react.
AluminiumFalcon
Here's a kick in the balls. Walmart doesn't pay it's employees a livable wage so they have to get on food stamps. They in turn spend those..
AluminiumFalcon
food stamps at Wal-Mart because the prices are so cheap. So basically the government is giving money to walmart through employee subsidizes.
AluminiumFalcon
Yet everyone losses their shit when people sugest minimum wage increase. This is fucking craziness.
InJenius
Because min wage increase is a zero sum alternative, as prices just go up. Inequality in corporate profit margins is the problem.
Cobra10106
These programs are made to help, but people abuse them and now they are doing more harm than good. Speaking from personal experience.
Dionysianmasks
By "personal experience" you mean you sold your ebt card for drugs?
Cobra10106
The other way around, I traded pot for food stamps. Not sure what your argument was because either way it is abusing the system.
Dionysianmasks
Is not worth cutting families food in half and give them whatever is in surplus. Great plan. Matthew 7:12. It's hungry at the bottom.
Cobra10106
It just sounds like you dont have a family or youre just a shitty parent.
Dionysianmasks
My sister and her two daughters rely on it and I have to help with rent every single month. May the light of Christ warm your heart
mickison
So because of a small percentage of fraud you want to fuck the entire system
Cobra10106
Ok so YOU said "fuck the entire system" so thats YOUR idea, personly I think more attention needs to be given to those who abuse the system1
Cobra10106
So that actions can be done to correct and regulate how govt assistance works.2
Dionysianmasks
Who will regulate it if not the government
Cobra10106
Who said the government wouldn't regulate it? The point is the system is being abused and needs to be revised, which is what is happing.
Dionysianmasks
They feed children. That's harm? My children are fed.
Cobra10106
I see kids in my town drink soda and eat snack cakes because their parents have sold most of the stamps for weed and pills.
Dionysianmasks
So the kids should go hungry? May the light of Christ warm your heart
Cobra10106
This reply has nothing to do with my comment, and what does religious beliefs have to do with govt assistance?
Dionysianmasks
It is to warm your heart. May the light of Christ soften your heart. Children don't deserve food. There's a blackness in you.
FSB75
It's not that the government spends too much on SNAP, it's that food, through inflation, cost so much more than it did just 5 years ago.
Dionysianmasks
The easiest way to steal your wealth is to cheapen your money.
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MechaNinja
Dionysianmasks
Hey thanks
MechaNinja
Appreciate your hard work with this post.
Dionysianmasks
Thank you
Dionysianmasks
I'm just trying to advocate for a bunch of people I know. I don't need snap but 50% of the people I know do.
BlueDrache
No, this gives food to people who are living on MY dime. You don't want gubbamint cheese? Get a job, you lazy fuck.
PteradactylStevens
Some families in the military are on food stamps... do they need to get a job , too?
Whwat
and what happens when YOU get cancer and your house burns down in a lightning storm?
Dionysianmasks
Treat others as you wish to be treated. May the light of Christ warm your heart +1
51CorgisInABar
Maybe he wants to be cast aside and left to rot in the gutter of society. He’s certainly acting like it
Dionysianmasks
This is America. We're better than that to allow it to happen.
51CorgisInABar
I want to agree with you, I really do, but it IS happening and has been for a long time. You want it to stop? Get America to make a moral
Dionysianmasks
Him being cast away? No that's not acceptable either.
51CorgisInABar
Commitment to this and stop electing politicians that abuse people like this. I hate to say it, but it’s mostly GOP
NewtGinGrinch
How many people do you know that get food stamps?
Whwat
zero personally
Cobra10106
I know a lot more people who sell their stamps for drugs than use them for food. Source: I sell drugs.
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Cobra10106
And the ones that I know are between 18-30 years old and would rather get high than keep food in the fridge.
NewtGinGrinch
They have kids? They work ? They giving you their food card money in exchange for weed?
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Cobra10106
Yup, $200 on an EBT card gets most people an oz
NewtGinGrinch
You are part of the problem then. You are literally doing the thing you are against and for that you deserve a thrashing and a fine.