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This is sad
EU has approved legislation that could ban memes and end fair use. Edit Front page! Thanks here's a Twitter thread with more info - https://twitter.com/nickmon1112/status/1039836409656426496?s=19
thepenismightierthanyours
GlowingXenophobe
Ya'll really need some good ol' fashioned American Free Speech rights
monoxidechild
The number of people defending article 13 while holding a condescending attitude about it boggles the mind.
superseriouscomments
What a great way to make everyone hate the idea of a united Europe! Damn apparatchiks.
Bystandr
Allowing copyright of memes is like allowing me to copyright the use of the word the and expect everyone to have to pay me to license use.
Magpiebones
I wish people wouldn't dumb this down as "memes will be illegal". It's misleading and playing down the actual limitations this brings.
playasl
Another example of why globalists must be stopped
shitpostalert
Do you people know anything about what it actually entails? Like, a single one of you? I feel like there's a massive amount of misinfo here
microman55
were now banning books in america so were on our way to complete censorship as well.
twsx
As a Swiss person, MRW https://imgur.com/7P4S67Q
ClassicSean
And you make fun of americas freedoms
Navrodel
thk5013
jonnydash
yes
TheodoreJDetweiler
What does article 13 do?
WhatTheFrog
Protect content creators by forcing big companies such as Youtube to fairly pay them for the use of their work. Crazy, right?
Domehammer
Brexit doesn't seem all that stupid now does it? UK gonna be looking on as Europe burns fighting for freedom against EU army at this rate.
DontFilmVerticallyAsshole
LockedKeye
Oh, they understand. The established powers know that their survival depends on breaking up the micro-networks that are rapidly
LockedKeye
becoming the way ideas and political power spread.
BubblyBrigid
I have a feeling this is just the beginning of a prolonged shit show that will smear itself worldwide. Talos help us.
ThatsNotMyPenisPump
Bluestar6
Wouldn't we all be affected by this in some way? Can a high iQ meme lord explain the legalistics of this to me i' m very confused
upvoteforwhat
Step 1: disarm the populous. Step 2: destroy freedom of speech. Step 3: ???
axionzetaone
Step 3: Keep everyone distracted sniping at each other so they can't work together against you.
kuba913
You all dont understand, it affects everyone, US or UK, it doesnt matter that you arent part of EU, the law will change sites, everywhere.
LostLocust
This is just the parliament's take, it still has to go through the council. MS are more conservative, so likely doesn't help much.
Zcarsnarl
The most accurate comment in this post
kuba913
Wish more people understood that. They are happy now, they wont when imgur deletes their reposts, and it also hosts reddits images soo...
kuba913
You all need to understand that this will fuck everyone over, you think it wont affect imgur or youtube? It will.
Svartlebee
Pretty sure British EMP's got to vote on this. And British EMP's are wildly anti-EU. Wonder if they voted for it.
Domehammer
On one hand passing this would be a mortal wound leading to swifter death of EU, on other hand not passing it makes EU death slower...
TheAngryMarineBiologist
36 in favour, 31 against, 2 abstained, 4 not present 1/2
TheOneTrueDave
TheAngryMarineBiologist
http://www.votewatch.eu/en/term8-copyright-in-the-digital-single-market-draft-legislative-resolution-vote-commission-proposal-ordinar.html
heartlessninja6
US born, what is an EMP? (Google was not helpful)
ourari
That's because they've got it wrong. It's not EMP, but MEP; Member of European Parliament.
Blrp0
MEP = Member of European Parliament
heartlessninja6
Ah that makes more sense.
MikeHawck
You know, as an American, there’s a lot of BS here, but I’ll take it over Europe’s problems.
notme222
Me: "Surely people won't fall for a false dichotomy." Imgur: "Here's 2 dozen replies saying EU is better."
tezuma
As american, no.
cKerensky
Canada has the best of both worlds. Join us!
TheShadowsLengthen
This directive doesn't ban free speech or memes, and Europe is doing better than the US on a lot of points, including free speech.
WhyShouldILoveYou
US has tried to do the same copyright BS over and over again, not like you don't have the same problems...
goatamon
If you seriously think that potential restrictions to memes and shit is a bigger problem than the healthcare abomination the US has...
MikeHawck
I wasn’t just referring to this issue and not just referring to a well off EU country either.
wdasm42
they have to use something to feel better about their situation
OcassionalDanger
Yeah but we get to meme about it. Check. Mate.
wonderbug
you deserve more points than you've got so far.
shaggykx
We voted to leave so we're leaving... right? Right guys? Fuck sake. Chop chop.
jonnydash
majoraz
Websites aren't going to only apply the filters just for EU people, look what happened with GDPR. This fucks over EVERYBODY.
ourari
lol, uk doesn't even have a free press.
shaggykx
... and America does?
ourari
The juxtaposition here was UK vs EU, so not sure why US is relevant... US is #45, UK #40: https://rsf.org/en/ranking
shaggykx
My bad
MadMupp
Thank god for Brexit, it was about meme freedom all along. Companies, people... Bring your best memes to our shores.
WilLAMetteValleyWatcher
1)brexit2)sanders3cliton4rump
nursesalt
Europeans are now requesting asylum with memes in hand.
TheShadowsLengthen
Brexit people are certainly loving the complete misunderstanding people have regarding this particular directive. Ban memes ? Seriously ?
MadMupp
Easy there... You're getting salt all over my chips haha
majoraz
This is going to impact non-EU people, websites aren't going to bother to only apply the filters to part of their userbase see: GDPR
klikklik1236
Interesting point. I think that there's a difference though. GDPR replaced Safe Harbor and affects commerce. Unless they are trying to
klikklik1236
Extradite imgur mods there's not much they can do. You'll still have memes on U.S. sites!
TheSauceGuy
Uk has less freedom of speech already though compared to the EU..
WrongUn
Whats your basis? Not necessarily Disagreeing, just want to know your sauce
Rexli78
The tweet OP posted was by a Scottish dude fined for a stupid Nazi joke.
WrongUn
Whats your basis? Not necessarily Disagreeing, just want to know your sauce
Lilshadow48
Probably the whole nazi pug thing.
Akillesursinne
Where did you find that fact? In your own ass? Come on, I'm a swede me and most of my friends hate the EU with a passion. Fucking thing sux
AlIYourBaseAreBelongToUs
I'm an Athesist, but damn! Amen to that brother! :)
TheSauceGuy
In my own ass? Wow, maturity levels skyrocketing here. I'm a fucking Swede myself and there's reasons our government isn't leaving the EU.
Akillesursinne
Yeah, point out the source then! Where does you claim come from? Yeah, the reason is they haven't held a referendum yet.
TheShadowsLengthen
Imgur's understanding of that thing is piss poor; "it's gonna ban memes" is just clickbait to make the average internet goer outraged.
niightrider
this is the first I've heard of it. whats actually going on?
TheShadowsLengthen
Some European directive about applying copyrights. Some groups are rousing people into mobs because they don't understand what it does, 1/2
TheShadowsLengthen
...and think it's about evil bureaucrats trying to outlaw free speech when it's just about trying to properly apply copyrights. 2/2
DirectorBright
It holds the platforms liable for any violating content posted and makes no allowance for parody or review. It necessitates bots.
notme222
Well that's true. Pretty much anything on Imgur is rage-inducing clickbait and the place is swarmed by assholes. I've literally tried to
notme222
talk about the problems caused by a link tax and had someone say "it's not a tax, it's just money the government makes you pay."
majoraz
"It's gonna ban memes" is a stupid take but it's still absolutely catastrophic: it's basically youtube-esque copyright filters for all sites
TheShadowsLengthen
That Youtube is already doing it without legal frameworks tells you a lot about how much this directive changes things.
majoraz
Youtube is one site, this makes a similar filter mandatory for ALL websites.
Sherlocksvillain
Yes. And count dancula is an EDL supporting, Tommy Robinson loving fascist prick.
Endante
Dankula is a lot of things but he's not a fascist. I wish you morons would at least google the fucking definition of the word.
Sherlocksvillain
Us morons are very well versed at what fascism means, had it in my country. And any of you pricks siding with known fascists are alike.
Endante
If that were true you'd know that someone who espouses free speech and individual liberty is anything but a fascist you mongoloid.
Sherlocksvillain
They espouse free speech only for white Christian men. But keep on thinking you and your buddies are some sort of free-speech activists.
malexmatt
That's how these things work. Complex economic and social issues need to be distilled down to simplistic rhetoric to get the public 1/
malexmatt
involved in the debate at all. The Powers that Be assume we won't understand the real debate, so they give us theater, instead. 2/2
TheShadowsLengthen
"The power that Be" is just a sad name for propaganda groups wanting to influence opinions in the direction they like.
malexmatt
That Powers that Be are just all the opinion makers and government and in the press who treat us like pawns.
TheShadowsLengthen
Then what do you think of this particular kind of misinformation that targets politicians, governments and other "power that be" ?
NotAnotherVegas
Bet Europeans sure wish they had a constitution about now.
CatOnTheRoof
There was a referendum for a constitution. It was about 300 pages! A lot of small text that could bite anybody in the ass.
heartlessninja6
You’ve never read “It can’t happen here.” by Sinclair Lewis
peterzappfe
all european countries have constitutions...
SalmonPieBaron
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Lisbon
VainyBangStick
Most countries have a constitution. It’s just the US who clings to theirs without changing it. Remember Europe isn’t a country
IAmDrBanner
Ladies and gentlemen, this is an example of American education.
schwanzwurst
I wish we weren't in the EU.
Styxwash
You don't know Europe works, do you?
Minnakht
As a Polish European, we have a constitution in Poland. I imagine many other European countries do too. We have more than you do altogether.
SmolTenk
+1 simply for the absurdity of that argument. Made my day.
CatOnTheRoof
Dutch here, we also have a constitution. And when it is convenient to the current government, it is followed.
kuba913
Polish constitution was first in europe, second i in the world. It was literally made 4 years after US one.
SalmonPieBaron
Depends how you define constitution. The magna carta is considered the first. Saint Marino would be second.
jlsalskdl96
I mean, most of them do. Ours is based on the Magna Carta mostly.
NRXNext
That's astoundingly incorrect.
rollipukki
No it is correct. While Magna Carta was mostly for lords the idea and myth that it was for common ppl was what influenced US constitution.
NRXNext
It was one of many. Not the main.
ctotheg2
Serious question: What others are there?
Stanfordsalid
the Magna Carta was mainly tax breaks for the rich barons, so....
KingBeardy
Well, no. It ensured rights for the people and restrictions on Royal power too.
INeverReadTheTOS
Sure helped with the Net Neutrality repeal, didn't it?
MikeHawck
Oooooo BURN!
DanAndsome
In multiple states yes. And that’s the one reason I like trump. Watching liberals fight for state’s rights.
Mmbear
See the thing about the whole net neutrality fight is every time the cable companies try this type of thing it back fires. There is a high 1
Mmbear
Chance of a change in party in the US in Nov and NN is a hot button issue for Dems so expect NN to return even stronger than before.
SardonicGrin
Oh I'm so happy! Now the US can drop back down to third world country internet speeds. I mean you only need so much download speed.
stusauce
Difference being NN was gov regulation being removed, this is introducing gov regulation that restricts use.
WhyShouldILoveYou
Yep but the government regulation made sure ISPs can't fuck people in the ass as sole providers in an area... So, gg?
risiblewilbury123456
ah yes, if it's removing regulation it must be good, right?
NoGiraffeHero
It allows ISPs to charge companies a proportional rate for their usage. Much like the way many would want billionaires taxed.
stusauce
Didn't say that, just pointing out a difference.
Kamasu0Tra
Yet they are both bad, and terrible for the internet as a whole. One has got a different name then the other too, so what?
PlatypusPlatypus
SanderTheStrange
Ah, I remember this one. The nostalgia
TehButternaut
Ha! Classic.
FeelMoreLikeIdoRightNowThanIdidAwhileAgo
kuba913
Im just going to stick to a top comment. The image will be unavailable in all countries. This law affects sites, which are international.
PotterHeid
Likely, no. In response to GDPR, some US sitss have responded by simply blocking EU traffic. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-44248448
deathreapper9271
Youtube already blocks videos from certain countries.
kuba913
Thats the other choice most big sites wont make, now from a certain perspective law has caused europeans to be blocked from outside news.
BobHubert
Tell ya what these American memes sure are better than not having any
krollballer
We will try and keep you supplied then! Not me but other Americans
willowtarmstrong2000
Careful why you say buddy. We're the only country crazy enough to actually nuke a bitch.
PinBass
Nuking Japan wasn't all that crazy. They kinda deserved it and by all estimates, it saved more lives than it took.
willowtarmstrong2000
But like they were all badass. And now their just drawing hello Kitty and shit....
PinBass
I wouldn't call massacring an entire city badass, Id call that immorality only possible through massive government they are great now though
PinBass
Japan committed more atrocities than the Germans during WW2. I can't even name them all in 120 chars.
thk5013
Was one discovering Hentai?
willowtarmstrong2000
Oh I'm aware, if they had a larger population they would have been a far worse menace. Times have passed now I suppose
ilikehornets
I have only seen misinfo and memes about article 13 and not a single direct quote from the text of it
Templarfreak
Because in layman's terms it really is about basically banning free speech.
ourari
If people trust Imgur posts over reporting by journalists and the expert sources they rely on, we cannot have an informed public debate.
Templarfreak
>Thinking modern jorunalism would report anything other than blatent lies and clickbait
heartlessninja6
People hate reading. They like children’s books. Short sentences with pictures. Believe me.
IllegalDuckling
-Abraham Lincoln
RoombaTheAssaultVacuum
Your comments are the greatest comments. The best comments.
WeirdOnions
Like memes?
thematman
No pictures. Didn’t read.
Chosan1
*commented on a picture hosting site with limited comment sizes*
heartlessninja6
LilyF
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:52016PC0593
LostLocust
So what is it changing to?
LilyF
It's not changing to anything, it's a new 'directive' that they're bringing in.
LostLocust
But is the directive amending the existing one or not? If not, linking to an unrelated text seems pointless.
LilyF
There is no existing one. This is new. This is the text. What more do you want?
NoAsBigAsMediumJockButBiggerThanWeeJockJock
Beside other things, it proposes to change the current takedown notice system to force platforms to screen all uploads for IP violations.
TheShadowsLengthen
Because the misinformation is being pushed by anti-EU parties to create a mob against "the evil bureaucrats that want to oppress you".
1metalnation
They don't want to oppress us, they just don't understand how content works and completely ignoring transformative content hurts creators
TheShadowsLengthen
Turns out, this was also partially to protect the copyrights of small creators having their stuff stolen, from what I'm reading...
1metalnation
Which is fine, but look at youtube. How many of those videos contain some form of copy written content thatchas been transform? All ofthem
BwieDieter
Open this link, Ctrl+F Article 13, and then eat your feckin hat. Content a
TheShadowsLengthen
I already read the thing. Here you go. https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:52016PC0593
BwieDieter
Aggregators will incur hefty administrative costs and some may vanish. https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:52016P
BwieDieter
Stupid 140 chard https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:52016PC0593
utts
this, and the fact this comment section is so full of idiots who dont actually know single fact about it crying is triggering me (1)
Elbowdeepinabeepbeepsheep
Offends. Trigger should stay in the ptsd scene where it belongs.
Elbowdeepinabeepbeepsheep
You literally want to use offends, or offended.
utts
(2) this law will mostly help small artists who have their work stolen in the internet on daily basis (most of these "lofi hip hop mixs")
chikablam
But how can sites like reddit operate if they have to monitor every single link posted ?
utts
(3) (are actually stealing music from small creators) and this law will help with that
notme222
I have yet to see a law that's easier for small independent artists to comply with than giant organizations with teams of lawyers.
Templarfreak
It is going to be utterly fucking impossible to enforce it in a way to protect them. It's strictly a sue button for trigger-happy copyright
Templarfreak
holders to effectively ban free speech.