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Nov 14, 2015 6:05 PM
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BlueRonin
Is the new doctor good? He seems good.
MadHakon
I used part of this speech on another post and it was downvoted... several times.
thegreasycock
+1 For the username
Instagriff
Any man who can pull this of is a-okay by me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIPxLzfw6wU
whyteraven74
The whole speech is as good as anything Shakespeare ever did. Which is fitting since he too was writing to appeal to people and nothing more
TheColossalTitan
The Doctor, hitting me in the feels again. Thanks OP.
Ishouldprobablydeletethat
Shut up and give me the source already!
ClemantTheGymLeader
Doctor Who season 9 episode 7, "The Zygon Invasion"
Wardo
Tumblr 2 sec gifs attack again!!!
dontmagpie
Best scene in ANY new Who.
VCdasDe
Whats this from?
atom327
Doctor Who
Estesark
https://38.media.tumblr.com/5babafc90a7e8bf28c770cbb279cb98b/tumblr_n59mmcpb611svpbtro4_250.gif
brinz
"London is a dump anyway"
thethingsido
College
RogerMajor
As a mobile user, I hate you because of these short gifs.
HeroThatWasNeeded
I agree whole-heartedly
zeusdemigod131
I honestly think this was one of the best episodes to date, at least since the reboot, and certainly Capaldi's best yet
CleverClint407
Sometimes an event has to hit rock bottom for things to work out. War is just a means to an end at times.
vtforlife
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EtiolatedRaven
I am crying...there is no onions that was just powerful....
AwesomeShowGreatJob
Now I have to rewatch dr who again. Thanks op...
ArdvarkRoticeryChicken
Everyone seems to have loved this speech except me I guess. I felt it was formulaic, preachy and out of place.
GhostSniper
Sauce: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=im0ymVp8qdo
cyoparallel
Does anyone know a good place to watch the 9th doctor on? I can't find anything.
apvandergriff
Netflix and Hulu both have all the New Who, from 9-12.
OneStrangeOnion
War. War never changes.
Treblaine
If you can convince Daesh to sit down and talk without sawing your head off I'll be impressed.
whyteraven74
Offering to talk directly would put them in a bit of a predicament actually
Treblaine
Not it wouldn't because it hasn't. Daesh propaganda insist there is nothing to discuss, only submit or be murdered.
whyteraven74
They've made a big deal about how no one from the outside would ever talk to them. Also they would never talk to anyone from the outside...
whyteraven74
so if you offer to talk, well they have to deal with something very unexpected and rather problematic, after all they've insisted that...
whyteraven74
no one from the outside would ever talk to them and here is someone from the outside talking to them. That's not a contingency they would...
Treblaine
Why... why of fucking why after all this time are we even remotely considering appeasement again?
Treblaine
Nonsense. And what's there to fucking talk about? Get ranted at about how their murders are divinely ordained. That's not "talking it out".
Whatnameshouldipick
Episode?
SamanthaLouise
It is literally last weeks episode. Weird coincidence.
Tryskel
s09ep08
Whatnameshouldipick
Doin gods work
thatdutchguy
What show?
Happybutterbutterflyvolcano
Not sure if serious but : Doctor Who
thatdutchguy
I was serious, so thanks. Never watched it so didnt know
Happybutterbutterflyvolcano
Alright :) It's a great thing to watch if you have some free time to be honest :3
imturd
Actually, based on the historical record, war is a fairly natural conflict resolution mechanism.
IDontSeeEnoughDarkTowerOnImgur
That's why the first words are "it's always the same""
Durzaka
Works fine. Until the people at war have the technology to completely destroy the planet.
ThatGuyWhosFunAtPartiez
There was another box. Another button.
armeggedonCounselor
Are we not human? Are we not empowered to be more than our natural programming?
Freki92
Dunno, that one is still up in the air.
rabbitt773
Exactly. We're humans, we fuck nature over and make the world a better place (for us) in the process.
ohdog123
That's what every species does to the extent that they can.
rabbitt773
Ah, but we do it better. And we'll keep doing it better, and better, and better until we're satisfied. Which, being human, we never will be.
Treblaine
It's not a matter of natural programming, it's the matter communication can only make irreconcilable conflict utterly apparent.
Treblaine
Like the Nazis utter determination to militarily dominate all Europe. The only way to stop it would be to convince them to not be Nazis!
ElioNope
Whilst war is natural, it ain't a programming. If two sides cannot meet, conflict ensues until one or both suffer enough that (1/2)
ElioNope
-they're in a position to sufficiently compromise. Of course, sometimes that compromise is unconditional surrender or total loss of power.
Litten
We are human. That's why we'll always fail at this. It's human nature. God I've become a cynic too.
peruuuuuuuusin
True, but shouldn't we also learn from history? True, there are certain circumstances (ideologically based) that make talking a moot point..
peruuuuuuuusin
.. But at that juncture it's merely pride and intolerance that prevent mutual understanding and compromise
Drpurrpurrpurr
Just because it's natural doesn't mean it's good.
imturd
But it will still happen.
Drpurrpurrpurr
And since we can't get rid of it entirely, we shouldn't even try to stop it. Like how we don't try to limit cancer. Or AIDS or - wait ...
imturd
I'm just trying to point out that you assume it can be eradicated ignore that we have and always will engage in some form of warfare.
Drpurrpurrpurr
I never said war could be eradicated. You know what they say about people who assume.
NoManicMonday
I agree in principle, but the fact is you can't reason with religious terrorists.
Dyslexicglove
I'm pretty sure that's why the crusade happened in the end.
Dyslexicglove
I'm serious. It is actually the reason the crusade was started.
thanatos777
You can't invade a country and get rid of them either, though.
MadHakon
No I suppose you can't. But religious terrorists will reason with the common people saying "Look at how they pick up the gun and fight us!"
busdriverdan
The terrorists usually are created because of the shitty conditions they live in. Their environment breeds their ideology of destruction. (1
Dyslexicglove
I'm sure that's why 30% of Muslims born in British suburbia support the London train bombings.
busdriverdan
That might be because of their environment as well. Being muslim in a culture that begins to see muslims and terrorists as linked and (1)
dasmoons
I really, really like how How to Train Your Dragon 2 approaches that idea.
DorthLous
On the contrary, I felt it was a complete cop-out and reneged the basis of the first movie. A good lesson? Maybe. Wrong franchise, though.
dasmoons
I respect that-Hiccup befriending the dragon catchers kinda continued the idea of the first movie.There's just a point where diplomacy stops
TheUserThatImgurDeservesButNotTheOneItNeedsRightNow
No. You can't sadly, but countries need to work together to try to solve the issue. This is the world's issue, not just one country's.
whyteraven74
That attitude is actually cited by those terrorists, they point at how no one from the outside world will ever talk to them as a sign of...
whyteraven74
the wickedness of the world. And it works since you know, we refuse to ever actually try anything different
ShirleyYouCantBcereus
I imagine negotiating with them would simply legitimatize them and their methods. And help recruiting: "Hey look! We're making progress 1/3
ShirleyYouCantBcereus
3 "Yo, ISIL, we won't you to stop doing everything that makes you you. What do you want in return?" Not to mention the precedence it sets
ShirleyYouCantBcereus
2 against the West! They're afraid of our relatively small group, come join and topple the West for Allah". And how would negotiations work?
whyteraven74
Actually offering to talk would undermine them since part of their position is the the outside world will not ever talk to them and they..,
whyteraven74
have made people see this as absolute truth. To offer to talk would show they were wrong and that would be a problem
Drpurrpurrpurr
You need to talk to the countries that enact policies that fuel the fires the religious terrorists feed off of.
TheCakeFlavor
*policies that fuel the bank accounts
Sully0811
Its their own countries that exploit them the worst though. If leader has luxury its the will of god, poeple suffering? Damn foreigners/west
46853
I don't think kim jung un is the kind of person you can just talk to
Hasaan
Which is why instead you talk to china who is the one letting him do all the stupid shit he does.
howcaniinternetgoodificantevenfitinsidethecomputer
James Franco did it
spooglecraft
Yes, diplomacy only works if both sides agree on using it. If one side refuses to use diplomacy, the other side can't use it either.
whyteraven74
Well we haven't tried have we?
DrFawxy
We engage in negotiations with NK almost every day, ever since the Korean war (sort of) ended.
whyteraven74
Those negotiations don't involve sitting and talk face to face to with Jung Un do they?
DrFawxy
It involves talking to a high ranking military leader, who represents his country. But neither they, nor Kim have any real interest in peace
Magster2004
Yes. We have.
whyteraven74
I don't recall at any time saying we'd like to talk with Jung Un directly and just talk.
Dsmizz
Nah, your probably right. We have never ever sent a diplomat to meet with North Korean leaders. /s
Dsmizz
*you're
whyteraven74
Talking with NK higher ups is not the same as directly and explicitly saying we'd like to talk Jung Un, just talk, face to face.
xXmlgproswagmaster691337h4x0r420n0sc0pesXx
This speech was great
Katalliaan
It was just as good 3 days ago.
Captainbuttcheeks
This is when he became my favorite doctor.
Genriu
Didn't the previous doctor do something similar? I remember this room....
CrusherOfCities
It was... but I was sitting there like "How many people did they murder, again? Hundreds?... but hey, let's start over. 18th try's a charm."
DeadpanLaugh
I think you misunderstood. Every time the negotiations failed and they pressed the buttons, the Doctor wiped their memory and started over.
CrusherOfCities
Even if so, what about the rows of dumpsters full of corpses in that town? And all the UNIT soldiers? I felt like their deaths were ignored.
LoseNotLoose
And the title is just as good!
Chocolateinvestigator
I keep coming back to this post and everytime I see your comment I scroll back up and laugh until I cry. Thankyou
LoseNotLoose
Sorry it took me forever to upvote you :/
jrau18
This performance was great. The actual message was useless as shit.
SkeletonHitler
That's usually Doctor Who in a nutshell.
jrau18
Yeah, but it's less bothersome when the show isn't also trying to be super topical.
FeersumEndjinn
Capaldi is great, but the writing has gone downhill over the past few seasons.
whyteraven74
The message was very important.
jrau18
It was shallow and naive.
whyteraven74
It was the opposite
jrau18
If you think the issues with ISIS will, or could, be solved with talking at literally any point, you need to pay attention to history.
Treblaine
When has their message ever worked? Even in WW1 they talked their arses off, 100% communication still irreconcilable conflict of intent.
whyteraven74
WW1 was a dumb fucking failure by all involved. Declaring war on account an assassination is fucking stupid.
Treblaine
Uhh, you do now it's not that simple? It's not "Franz Ferdinand had been killed... so lets everyone fight each other".
whyteraven74
BTW you realize there was more to the message than just what OP posted right?
Treblaine
Seems to be a pretty foundational part of it that sitting down and talking is in itself a solution.
Treblaine
It's just a myth that most wars happen because of lack of communication, if anything they start FROM "Sit down and talk".
whyteraven74
That wasn't the point the point was when people go back and forth simply out of anger and spite, it just perpetuates a cycle, look at...
whyteraven74
street gangs, person from gang A is killed by someone from gang B, so gang A kills someone from gang B and on it goes until no one can...