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I thought Bernie was the better one for the Democrats and I actually feared him somewhat. I hoped from the Republicans that Kasich would had been elected. But out of the two that America ended up getting, the people spoke. The voting is over amd the winner has been declared. It's un-American to protest the winner.
prestidigination
Wrong. it is VERY American to protest. So American we made it a protected right. It's un-American to tell people they shouldn't protest.
CeruleanK
Obstructed all those minority citizens from being able to vote and bragged about it, fair and square.
sarahtopsrawr
Protesting is the definition of being American. It is our first defined right. He didn't win fair and square. He lost the popular vote.
TrikStari
Logic and sense don't really rule over there on the left. Too many ism's that might be offended.
TestPattern
Could you show me evidence the primary vote was rigged?
SnugglesaurusRex
They're protesting Trump because they disagree with him. He said a bunch of racist misogynistic shit, and now people hate him. He earned it.
Bigemedic
I hate Trump. But, I saw a picture of his face when it was clear he had won, and it's pretty obvious he was shocked. He won fair and square.
Soulwindow
Trump lost the vote of the people by over a quarter million. I say we have a do over because if electoral college can't agree, fuck it all.
foresthillsbob
That's the problem with putting faith in any political party. They don't always know what's best for 'em.
knrf683
1. Voting Rights Act.
ChronologicalMyopia
The Electoral college could have ignored all of your votes entirely and would have been completely within their legal rights to do so.
SonicMonkeys
In 25 states they are required by state law. Also, more than 99 percent of Electors have voted as pledged. It's not really a problem.
zsevern
"I'm not a citizen so let me tell you what it means to be American". -1 "Protesting is not American" -2. Wrong on all points... Blow.
Xecryo
I've been saying it and I'll keep saying it. The real problem is that part of the GOP base that gave into scapegoating and conspiracy theory
Naiirita
yes, Trump won the rust belt thanks to all those republicans...
yeoldefrog
I'm protesting the world series but nobody's paying attention to me either
AllTheUsernamesILikeAreTaken
Lol
chilliceyn
Been protesting Obama for 8 years. Let them do their thing.
hwatL4bloopy
Bernie v kasich would have been epic
overthereoverhere
The DNC & the media literally worked together to project the superdelegate lead as insurmountable when in short; that was a bold faced lie
storebrandproductmascot
*bald faced
chefdp1
Yeah, the democrats favored the democrat, rather than the not democrat. Crazy world!
IDontLikeCatsButUpvoteAnyways
From your depth of knowledge, I would be you would pass citizenship with flying colors
AllTheUsernamesILikeAreTaken
I would be you would thank you very much.
IDontLikeCatsButUpvoteAnyways
Lol clever clever
illmissyou
It is never un-American to protest.
SP0OooO0KY
So very true, I think a lot of people only acknowledge the constitution when it backs their claim.
benm421
The constitution protects one's RIGHT to protest, not the validity of one's shitty, whiny, tantrum protest.
SP0OooO0KY
not arguing if what they're doing is right or if I agree with it, Im arguing that they have the right to do it as long as no laws are broken
benm421
My mistake. I completely agree with you.
Rocket350
I agree, but blocking roads, destroying property, looting etc just pisses me off and should never be tolerated.
Brainsplosion
https://twitter.com/pattonoswalt/status/796585763408183296
fivecharacters
But get ready for people to go all Bush-era and accuse dissenters of treason and lack of patriotism. It's how the authoritarians do.
Corwel
It is never inhuman to protest...
AllTheUsernamesILikeAreTaken
To protest the elections? Yes it is.
preaction
It's not American to exercise one's First Amendment rights?
illmissyou
You're not understanding why people are protesting. Please take a moment to understand them, just as you are asking them to understand you.
AllTheUsernamesILikeAreTaken
So they're protesting the election of (what they think of) an improper person. Who they call racist. And they call racist all of his voters
AllTheUsernamesILikeAreTaken
And they're afraid he will use force, so they're using force against him. Seems a bit ironic doesn't it.
preaction
How are they using force against him? Are they shooting at him? Hitting him with sticks perhaps?
illmissyou
Theyre not protesting against the election. Theyre protesting against Trump. And don't stereotype them as you ask them not to stereotype you
AllTheUsernamesILikeAreTaken
In no part of my speech have I stereotyped. If Trump did not win, were they still going to protest against Trump? Because if not, then
wwny
FBI email announcements really tipped public opinion against Clinton, and there was no time for it to rebound this time before the election.
BALKatalo
She lost the Great Lakes a long time ago. October surprises played absolutely no role in this race.
2late2hate
it would have been so easy to beat trump with a non corrupt candidate that was likeable and didn't screech like fingernails on /1
2late2hate
a blackboard. anybody but Hillary would have won.
BALKatalo
I think there was no way to turn around the Great Lakes. This election was over as soon as Trump announced.
randomnessmonster
She won the popular vote. I ain't protesting,j ust hoping we don't light up the nukes... duck and COVER!
AllTheUsernamesILikeAreTaken
The popular vote? Just because all of California voted Hillary in mass? What about what the rest of the citizens have to say?
Pandaphant
Do.. do you not know what the popular vote is?
diehardlance
As people get older they start to realize things like this. This is why the system exists. Cali gets a big say but not ALL the say.
AllTheUsernamesILikeAreTaken
Let's say a "fair say" because they have 55 votes.
diehardlance
55 for california, 29 for New York. Popular vote maybe but geographically she has worse coverage than.. IDK something with bad coverage
EnsignRoLaren
There's some irony in there somewhere. Complaining a candidate won the pop vote but lost the election.
TGWeaver
Just imagine if Trump got the popular vote and lost the election. I'm sure his supporters would have handled that with calm understanding.
cheeseriot
Oh look someone who has no understanding of the election making a post!
Pandaphant
How long is this circlejerk going to go on for?
voxael
Probably the next four fucking years
AllTheUsernamesILikeAreTaken
I'd say at least the next 8. And that's if the Democrats win next elections. They haven't stopped about Bush yet.
delpharseven
Nor have Republicans stopped about Obama (not an American, etc.). The US is just becoming more and more polarized as everyone gets to sit 1/
delpharseven
in their own echo chamber. And it isn't just big media, it is things like Facebook as well that allow you to surround yourself with a 2/
delpharseven
wall of like-minded people. We worry about you, America. 3/3
Gorillabumrush
So now when a republican wins, it's un-American to protest the winner. But it was fine to insult, belittle, and disparage Obama in 2012?
Krzyf
U are a free nation and isn't it their right to protest or did that change with the election?
LordOfLepidoptera
Peaceful protest is one thing but rioting and violence is not ok not matter the country.
realskramz
America was founded by destruction of property and rioting but that's not any of my business *sips tea*
RedWingsofSteel
2008 as well
xt1031
It was wrong to do it then, too.
seeingsalty
Everything is un-American to Republicans if it comes from a Democrat.
ManicPixieDreamSquirrel
I'm planning to treat this new president exactly how he treated Obama during his terms.
guitarhero1000
How do you even protest an election? The votes came in. She lost. He won. Get on with your fucking life. Protest all you want. Won't change.
Brainsplosion
https://twitter.com/pattonoswalt/status/796585763408183296
GoogleFucker
It's okay, when Obama won and I complained about the electoral college, I was a "sore loser" now I'm throwing that back in their faces
UsuallySpecial
"I beat my kids because dad beat me"
GoogleFucker
But that's violent. I'm going nonviolent.
AllTheUsernamesILikeAreTaken
Is that what I've said up there? Show me the exact phrase where I said that. It seems to me you are part of the problem here.
Gorillabumrush
And it seems to me you're a mouth breather.
AllTheUsernamesILikeAreTaken
At no point did I protect anything that happened in 2012 (in fact I have no memory because I was not interested in it). So why are you
AllTheUsernamesILikeAreTaken
Accusing me of protecting the republican extremists in 2012? I don't understand why are we even arguing.
anonnona887
Because people like him has to insult people even though they know they lost. That's how they work. He's probably one of those who hated 1/
CrocodileDunphy
People weren't marching and protesting by the thousands in city after city when Obama won. Liberal tolerance on display
crazyhornedlizardlady
Because protesting the fact that a very intolerant person won is very intolerant of them. Dude. Come on.
zeethenomad
Dont bother. He wont get it.
Gorillabumrush
True, they were loading guns, joining militias, and spreading hate online bc they're cowardly, closeted bigots. Dems can be proud in public.
Zippla
Really? Now I'm just sad I missed out.. thanks for the invite to the militias.
Gorillabumrush
Hope you don't try and start a race war, beat your s.o., or kills white cops in Iowa. Enjoy those guns!
Zippla
10-4! Both sides get triggered. Right just buys more triggers, left goes on Reddit and lights businesses on fire.
The2ndman
You're right, people acting dumb 4 years ago justifies people acting dumb now! Let's never change :)
Johnny5dicks
Yes we can't
Rifree
8 years ago Love
Vezwyx
Try again. Specifically said 2012
Nyoibo83
From what I gather it's the system rather than anything else that let Trump win
BigJaseNZ
It is the same system in which Clinton had to work as well though.
LouisArmstrongsLeftFoot
Yeah, winner take all elections.
AllTheUsernamesILikeAreTaken
Trump won because he ran against Hillary. And Hillary got elected because the DNC rigged the democratic elections. So you're kinda correct.
TGWeaver
Hillary won the Democratic primary because she received more votes than Bernie Sanders. Do you believe the vote itself was rigged?
jayu
Check the e-mails on wikileaks. You can clearly sew Hillary made sure Bernie does not get proper support, effectively screwing him over.
TGWeaver
He also didn't get votes.
RubyPorto
In the primary, the candidate with more votes won. In the general it was the opposite. You're saying that the 2nd case is "fair and square?"
AllTheUsernamesILikeAreTaken
Dude the primaries selected who competes and the general elections select the president. Trump won more states where as Hillary won deeper
AllTheUsernamesILikeAreTaken
In the states that she won (Trump won his states by small margins), hence why this difference in popular vote. So yes, he did win fair and
AllTheUsernamesILikeAreTaken
Square because there were no irregularities.
micotyro
I think there are ALOT of reason why Trump won, but I get your point
Moghul
Hillary technically still had more votes but the entire voting system in the US, from the ground up is essentially the 'imperial units of 1/
Moghul
measure' of voting systems. You just make shit up. 2/2
Nyoibo83
I meant more of how voting works in general in the US, where someone could have more votes but still lose
chuck1243
Trump still could technially lose https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faithless_elector
chuck1243
not hoping for this at all. Could you imagine the protests?
SaharaB
You mean widespread armed rebellion?
Ssssssssssss
I've been complaining about the electoral college every year since I knew what it was.
AllTheUsernamesILikeAreTaken
Well USA is made put of states so the votes of the people in each state count. The population size of the state counts as well. So
IronicUsername
Except it does literally the opposite. Because it's a winner-take-all system and my dumbass state voted for Trump, I might as well [1]
IronicUsername
have not bothered voting (for the president, anyway. Instead of going toward a larger pool of votes, my vote is essentially thrown away [2]
IronicUsername
clearly disproportionate influence over the election while disregarding the collective will of voters. [4]
IronicUsername
because it goes against what my state chose. It's a ridiculously asinine system that gives a small number of swing states a [3]
AllTheUsernamesILikeAreTaken
Overall in my opinion, the founding fathers have found a pretty decent way to keep things level.
UngratefulNoob
Hey I'mma send you a message, got a question for you that you seem like you could answer. (Just commenting in case you're on mobile.)
ChronologicalMyopia
Actually it was set up in an admittedly flawed way and didn't want most of us to have the right to vote (land owning white male only).
JeffGodofBiscuits
A class action suit against the DNC could be fun
hippee
The first lawyer who sued was mysteriously killed.
dunadunadonut
Sauce?
CaptainKingfisher
He wasn't killed it was suicide. Two shots in the back of the head
Ssssssssssss
Fruitless, but it would be a grand middle finger on top of the 'fuck you for looking so crooked and losing this' cake.
TotallyNormalPlantNothingToSeeHere
Sue a private organization for doing nothing illegal and conducting its tasks the way it wants to?
BiscuitJesus
He never said anything would come from it just that it would be fun as a big "fuck you"
Chronicle
If you take donations saying you're going to work towards one thing and then do another is that grounds for a class action suit?
catchmorehoneysbeingfly
Well actually they're under investigation for what happened in Arizona as far as voter suppression goes
hwatL4bloopy
What If some people started a new party and called it the domocratic party and just ignored the other group like they didn't exist
SuckAnElf
I wonder if the name is copyrighted like a business name would be?
hwatL4bloopy
Well it's domocratic so not quite the same
SuckAnElf
SuckAnElf
Or trademarked, I never can remember which is for what
BatmanReference
Trademark. The way it's described is that if it's something that indicates the source of the product or service, it's TM. Like a brand.
Japery
No one claiming there was fraud. It was DNC hubris that backfired. Election process was totally fair.
Gorillabumrush
Nope. I think it was rigged bc I say it was. Trump would have said the same thing had he lost. The truth comes from my worldview only.
preaction
There are a lot of new voter ID laws that made it much more difficult for eligible voters to vote. These corresponded to Republican states
hitshappens
Oh yea, and Debbie Wasserman Schultz resigned because she felt like it.
Japery
Oh yes, there were shenanigans! But have you heard widespread reports of voter fraud? I thought that's what OP was implying.
ErrantPursuits
Through a large variety of manipulative measures, like gerrymandering which is ubiquitous, the voting process hasn't been fair for some time
AllTheUsernamesILikeAreTaken
By rigging I meant what DNC did with the superdelegates. Election process was totally fair so it's ridiculous to protest its results.
Ericd612
Hillary got more votes. She got more super delegates as a result. Pledged super delegates would have switched if Bernie won.
Ericd612
A circular firing squad does nothing to beat Trump next time. Focus on the real opponent. Every second Dems spend attacking each other is
Ericd612
A second the GOP moves forward on their insane agenda. Heads out of asses and in the game people. The fight goes on.