VashTehStampede
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That's it.
Every vote put elsewhere jeopardizes the slim chance for US democracy to survive and rebound, plain fact.
Jun 28, 2024 7:38 PM
VashTehStampede
12457
821
66
That's it.
Every vote put elsewhere jeopardizes the slim chance for US democracy to survive and rebound, plain fact.
BillHubbard
And if you doubt it, check how Hitler gained control over Germany back in 1933. Then check Trump's 2025 playbook.
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VashTehStampede
Vote, I don't care. Get others out and push hard and tell me if it was actually worthless afterwards.
freshthrowaway1138
So what I'm hearing is, "Boohoo, I'm too lazy to understand work to operate in our electoral system! boohoo I can't organize to win an election. boohoo, won't someone else come and save me?"
Democracies (even our broken one) fails because citizens get lazy and won't do the work of organizing their districts to win elections. When was the last time you did any organizing for an election? When was the last time you got 1000 people to vote with you?
psmith00
Now, now, now. if the GOP get in you might have another election but it will be in a one party system with only Republicans running as they'd make any other party illegal.
FrogBotherer
Vote for the old geezer that's had a long and successful political career; or vote for the old geezer that's a dangerous lunatic, convicted felon, and Russian asset (whether he knows it or not). Geez the choice is hard!
SavageDrums
He knows it. He's proud of it.
IDontKnowWhatToDoAnymoreAndImTired
You forgot 'rapist'.
DukeDarkwood
500 characters is insufficient to list all the terms that we can apply to that man.
Chakra5
I feel strongly that 'liar' should be in there, near the top. But it is indeed a crowded proposition.
warzoneToefungus
Soooo, you guys really believe if you don't vote Biden you're not going to get to vote again?
Jaitch
I'm not American but yes. America is showing all the signs of being under attack from within. The right to freedoms Americans champion are being stripped all over the states. Attacks on women and their rights to be equal. Attacks on anyone that doesn't fit the Christian right image. Just a barrage and the average person cannot comprehend how quickly those rights can disappear.
Chakra5
Ask him, because he's saying as much right out in the open. "He says, 'You're not going to be a dictator, are you?' I said: 'No, no, no, other than day one. We're closing the border, and we're drilling, drilling, drilling. After that, I'm not a dictator." ....yeah, after that he'll stop [eyeroll]
JabesMcJabesface
Yes
somerandomusernamething
It's unlikely but possible. Autocracies tend to be short lived, especially after the initial leader dies. In our current form of government, the wealthy still get to control most decisions, and they don't have to rely on trumps health to keep it going. They collectively spent a lot of money to get to the point where they can freely bribe politicians. I don't see them relinquishing that at the whims of trump and the GOP.
somerandomusernamething
The only reason I don't outright say no is that an autocracy would funnel large amounts of capital to the wealthy so those that are shortsighted or have an easy out to avoid the pending collapse might try for it.
UprootedGrunt
Do I think it is guaranteed? No. Do I think if Trump and the MAGAts in congress can find a way to do it, backed by a supreme court that they've packed to back them up no matter what, they will? Absolutely. Just look at what they've done in the states. When a state can have upwards of 70% of voters saying they want a Dem for their rep, and 60% of the reps chosen are Repubs, something is wrong. And that's what they want it to be. So maybe not last election...but last one that matters.
1eudaemonia
the fours years we got with him already has damaged our democracy for decades to come. another 4 will make the first four seem like the good ole days.
IDontKnowWhatToDoAnymoreAndImTired
Honestly? Yes.
Etlac
"There will be no more elections" is BS crafted to make idiots look hysterical.
A more likely outcome is a Hungary scenario: you can vote, and there won't be blatant cheating, but the Overton window has shifted so that voting for anyone other than the big party feels pointless or insane. Trump wants a fourth term, but the Dems are child murdering satanists who want to legalize pedophilia and drag the US into the war the EU globo-homos started by attacking Russia, so obviously you vote Trump.
SavageDrums
That is the stated goal of the republican party, yes.
DukeDarkwood
We have definite concerns about it, yes. Most of it from their own stated plans. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025
Reading even just a FEW of those proposals should be enough to chill the blood. The topic of future elections is not specifically addressed (at least in this Wiki article), but the sweeping expansion of executive power would make it very easy to do so.
wthamidoinghere
So you actually believe if you vote Joe the country will not survive?
VashTehStampede
No, vote Biden or accept that the US will become a theocracy.
Zyrixion
I mean, this is literally detailed in the Project 2025 plan. On top of this, simply, Trump can become a dictator "legally" by just ruling via executive order and having his wholly corrupt supreme court greenlight the legitimacy of doing so, because the court has assumed complete and total authority over the actions of every other branch of government, and no one can really stop them or check or challenge their power.
ThePickles
It’s a real and frightening possibility, yes.
warzoneToefungus
Well I guess that sounds scary.
ThePickles
Well I guess you are a gorilla voter?
VashTehStampede
It IS scary, it doesn't just sound scary.
If Trump wins, Russia now has defacto control over the largest, highest-cost military in the world.
QMcKennic
Nah. I live in a very blue state. I’ll be voting for a socialist I’m so very tired of picking from two different capitalist enablers. If I didn’t live in a blue state, I’d hold my nose and vote for the blue team, but I’d like to reiterate that ***I’m sick of voting for people who sell me out to their corporate masters***
VashTehStampede
As long as your state stays blue, you didn't help the Christofascists.
We're only going to see after the election if your vote (and of others like you) split the vote enough for Trump to achieve victory.
If that happens, then your mentality will be responsible for the victory of fascism in the US.
Malak224
dontrike
Congrats on voting for Trump
tallyhoho
I feel bad because you probably don't have the money to flee this country if Biden loses
QMcKennic
Of course I don’t have the money to flee; if I did, I’d have left years ago. Those of us at the bottom never have the money to leave. That’s a huge part of why I’m a socialist!
VashTehStampede
So vote Biden, fool.
tallyhoho
But that's why you should vote in your own interest. You may not get rich during bidens presidency but you will absolutely lose money, freedoms and the ability to vote during a trump dictatorship. This is one selfish choice you can make with a good conscience
JustUsLeagueUnlimited
Vote how you like, especially as you recognize your vote wont impact the election in the broken electoral college. But, we cant act like this is the standard red bullshit vs blue bullshit. This is end game. This is Surviving Evil. 2025 rolls around, Biden will either be president and we can both call him out on his bullshit or Trump is elected and I'll wave at you in the Patriot internment camp in a couple years
QMcKennic
1.) It’s still the lesser of two evils thing we do every election. The lesser of two evils is still evil. I’m just happy that I have the privilege of voting my conscience instead
2.) The impact of (very debatably) Good v Evil is really lessened when it comes up every. single. election. It was the same song last election, and I voted for a socialist then too.
In conclusion, to hades with billionaires and all the democrats they’ve purchased.
VashTehStampede
Yeah, your privilege is what allows you to risk democracy. Fuck you, personally, for your choice.
JustUsLeagueUnlimited
I wonder how many elections you've voted in. There's pre-Trump where it wasnt good vs evil. And the Trump elections. Trump is not representative of how any politician has operated in my lifetime. Post-Trump SC rulings have been devastating for socialism? If you're looking for a socialist leader I wonder who you look to. Sanders? AOC? Because they are supporting Biden. Do you value them as a leaders but are refusing to follow their lead? That does not bode well for a socialist president
Zyrixion
You have the privilege of making a horribly, extremely, evilly selfish decision. If enough people thought like you, we would lose everything in this most critical moment. In the classic folly of privilege of all sorts, you think you can just do what you want, and damn everyone else, and damn your civic responsibility to everyone else to be a part of not fucking this up. Because this is exactly the kind of misguided selfishness we are begging people to not choose this moment for.
Zyrixion
This kind of shit is how trump won the first time, because the democrats shot themselves in the foot by putting forth a candidate no one wanted, and people didn't understand how bad the alternative would be for the country. We all have a civic duty to make the choices that align with not fucking this up. And don't get me wrong, I hear you, I'm a radical ancap socialist/communist, but we *cannot* fuck this up. If we fuck this up we get genocide and more concentration camps.
onlymypoorwhisker
The fact that Biden is the better option shows just how bad Trump is.
VashTehStampede
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tallyhoho
Biden has done truly amazing things during his presidency. Why do people have to keep saying this
onlymypoorwhisker
Such a low bar.
tallyhoho
Compared to every Untied States president in the history of the nation? You cannot be this obtuse
onlymypoorwhisker
All nations, there is a world outside of the US, I'm sorry your choices are so shit, mine are too but pretending they are not won't improve anything.
tallyhoho
No the United States nation, not worldwide nations. And you should take 5 minutes and actually read about his accomplishments as president.
onlymypoorwhisker
The policies haven't come from him.
tallyhoho
Ok cool you have not read anything and are just choosing to stay ignorant. What a waste
onlymypoorwhisker
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/06/08/politics/bernie-sanders-gloria-borger-interview-cnntv/index.html 2 seconds on google, yes I have read plenty.
tallyhoho
https://ballotpedia.org/Joe_Biden%27s_executive_orders_and_actions
tallyhoho
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_executive_actions_by_Joe_Biden
dontrike
Yes, Trump is bad, but the fact you think Biden is nearly as bad shows you're ignorant to a fault
onlymypoorwhisker
I didn't even imply that, if Trump is a 0/10 president Biden is a 4/10
dontrike
You absolutely did, you implied Biden is bad, but Trump is worse. In reality Biden has done quite a lot of good, he ain't perfect, but he's nowhere near Trump, as you initially implied and then outright typed it.
onlymypoorwhisker
I didn't say nearly as bad, but still bad yes. I even put some numbers to it to prevent any further misunderstandings. I agree good things have happened during his presidency but that doesn't mean they are his policies. If he loses this election it will be because he unintentionally talks jibberish and is on the wrong side of history in regards to Israel.
dontrike
"I put numbers" arbitrary ones that proves nothing because it's your "opinion" that ranked them. Biden is not below average, try again, and please read a book.
Chakra5
Do the fuckin work and educate yourself.... https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2024-opinion-biden-accomplishment-data/
onlymypoorwhisker
It's the Democratic party's acheivements under Biden, Biden is half brain dead, he is not the best the Democrats have to offer.
Chakra5
Uh, you know 'the party' does not inhabit the whitehouse, nor staff, right?