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Laylah77
Good
dcnavan
Did I see that flag at a League of Ireland match.......Bohs or Rovers maybe?
PicassoCT
Its dead property for dead capitalists, run by dead servers to keep the value up, till we all are dead. Whorship the pit, one must own all
DangerToManifold
People are allowed to own multiple properties, this is just blatant crime
originalhuman
Their symbol is a plough?
Boredashell
Don't dead, open inside
sileeds
Seems like a good idea until they become drug dens and this charity cannot afford to help.
GlebReawer
That's going to be small number compared to those who will do their best to re-enter cociety after getting a house to live in.
sileeds
I truly hope it works. Can't imagine how awful it must be to be homeless
erbiumyttriumytterbium
+1 for the goggles.
dagnorbert
So when owner does come do they just boot them out or are they saying that’s theirs now??
WellAckchually
Ireland has a long, long history of problems with landlords that have never and will never set foot in the country
BautaStein
Squatters right , look up yours. Best way getting an affordable apartment in my area right now
MAN9000
This is a good idea.
Kennleth
I wonder if they’ve opened into a meth lab or grow op yet.
Apelike
Yeah yeah great idea. The chavez regime still doing that in Venezuela. Not totalitarian at all....
SyntheticReindeer
Yes and no, I worry about the occasional time that the building is empty and sealed for a reason, like poor structure, mold, chem spill etc.
flarflarf
itd have to be really bad before it's worse than sleeping outside in Ireland in September
maktao
In my city, homeless were put into a city-paid motel when their tent city was crushed by heavy snowfall. The motel was trashed... >>>
maktao
Repair bill for the place was, I think nearly a million dollars? They even had significant support from social services.
DdCno1
The lesson from this is not that you shouldn't provide housing for homeless, but that it should come with the appropriate amount of support.
Briarosethorn6fifteen
Agreed. also that change doesn’t happen overnight.
WuProgress
Corporations should not be allowed to own residential houses. Period. Personal on the other hand, to an extent.
DorkJedi
bad idea. Or rather, clarify single family homes. Apartment buildings would be extremely rare if corps could not own them.
ButtAmbassador
There’s a difference though between the company that constructs and manages the properties and the bank.
TheGriffin
Wait so if corps can't own buildings, they just poof out of existence? Just blip out with a flash of smoke? Amazing
DorkJedi
Want to try a different dishonest take? this one clearly fizzled.
TheGriffin
This was an over exaggerated sarcastic reaction based on how suck ups claim that housing will disappear if landlords do
ElbowDeepInYou
Ah yes, theft.
eslachance
Love how they're just grinding away at a hinge instead of finding an ingress point that's nondestructive to a door... #draftysquatting
Rainbowdaesh
Gildy88
These "homes" are often owned by culture funds who use high waiting lists and homelessness to drive up the prices of their properties
Gildy88
As if you couldn't have already guessed, the Catholic Church are up to their ears in it. Look up how many people live in hotels
MamaRosie
Landlords HATE this man for hai one simple trick to getting around rent!! (Seriously, go this guy and his group. Awesome to see.)
HomerSimpsonsEvilTwin
That's one way to do it
theAught
Won't anyone think of the Robber Barons?
azzabat
It’s an admirable aim, but often properties are boarded up for a reason (unsafe, electrical or structural issues, or fire regulations.)
LordPaimon
The people who are against this don’t understand what’s happening here. These aren’t your typical private owned homes. It’s not someone’s…
LordPaimon
Home whose away for a couple of weeks and comes back and has homeless living there. These are buildings that are usually property of big…
LordPaimon
Companies or investors that keep them in their portfolios to inflate their assets. They will also not rent or sell them. This is happening…
LordPaimon
While there are literall people dying in the streets. Again this is not the home or holiday house of some private individual.
DangerToManifold
It's still wrong.
LordPaimon
Houses that are basically just investment pieces of big companies vs. people freezing in the streets and you’re rooting for the streets?
DocWino
Who monitors the occupants after this is done? Who is paying the electric, gas and water bills? Who maintains the appliances and property?
MrE158
In all likelyhood that place they're breaking into is an unusable deathtrap, who's liable when the occupant gets hurt?
TossABabyYodaToYourWitcher
I love how whenever someone brings up this point they just get ignored. Just giving them a house doesn't really fix anything long term
TossABabyYodaToYourWitcher
"you made the frosting without baking the cake"
DocWino
And, you may have created a larger problem. I know homeless guys that would rip the copper and fixtures out to sell for meth and leave.
cbale2000
And I'm sure the the homeless people that will live in them will do all the required maintenance for the buildings too, right?
ADeerDanceInvitationToPeace
I'm sorry, but are you implying that landlords DO...? Because, with all due respect, and I mean ALL due respect.... Lmao.
Trollingstoned
Lol since when is that remotely a concern? You think every landlord and paying tenant do that? Funny how we always ask more of the poor.
Merky600
Hahaha. There have been regular reports of giving homeless hotel rooms. Insta-meth labs. Shooting up dens.
LordPaimon
Yeah because there’s more needed than just rooms. But if someone is freezing tonight rooms are a little higher in the list.
Briarosethorn6fifteen
Thats why only adressing one issue while ignoring others helps no-one.
Jamesincandenza
homelessness is a cruel joke. in the US there are 17 million empty homes and fewer than 1 million homeless people
ThePakistallion
Stats? Sauce?
Jamesincandenza
https://checkyourfact.com/2019/12/24/fact-check-633000-homeless-million-vacant-homes/
ThePakistallion
Thanks for sauce. Respect.
Jamesincandenza
NYT says 16 mil+ https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/10/realestate/vacancy-rate-by-state.html
ThePakistallion
Word. Respect.
Jamesincandenza
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homelessness_in_the_United_States#Improved_data
ThePakistallion
Word. Respect.
cyborganism
So what happens if you just happen to be away on vacation for a few weeks and they happen to knock on your door during that period?
bbogs
abandoned apartment blocks arent owned by nice folks on vacations, you disingenuous fool.
cyborganism
Hey, no need for insults. I didn't know they were abandoned. Title says "empty homes". Empty how exactly?
cyborganism
Do you suddenly become homeless due to squatters' rights? I mean, I understand there is a housing crisis and many are exploiting housing /
cyborganism
/ as investments, but they better be sure these houses aren't home to anyone.
beyondtheutmostboundsofhumanthought
As someone who lives somewhere where giant houses stand habitually empty for more than half the year - you can tell the difference.
6unn4r
i guess the organisation did some sort of info search doing this stuff. Is it legal? Maybe not. Is it morally right? depends who you ask
JamesAHarrod
Not knowing any information about the property, look like breaking and entering with intention of squatting, nothing legal looking
circlebreaker
You might find yourself disinclined to follow the law if you were at risk of perishing from exposure to the elements without shelter.
terminalcool
gee whiz maybe you should get the context on what would perverse housing laws would motivate people to such extreme lengths
TossABabyYodaToYourWitcher
I wonder how many have been closed up because they're just straight up dangerous to live in. Gas leaks, rotting supports, etc are all
TossABabyYodaToYourWitcher
Good reasons to close up a house
candar
Squatting isnt illegal either. It becomes trespassing if contested by an owner, if not the squatter becomes the owner after a defined period
TheGriffin
Illegal? Probably. Ethically correct? Absolutely
nili4ever
The best Kind of correct?
puffyjacket69
Sometimes breaking the law is the point.
68people
You don't say
morelikeconsham
Are you under the impression that someone here or there thought this was legal? It's called a "revolution." those are never legal.
LordPaimon
Right you don’t have information on any of this. So maybe shut up then? Google irelands problem with empty houses and come back.
ME2BNS12
Great if just homeless and not mentally ill, otherwise that place is now a crack den
sskyrimjob
I, too, agree that mentally ill people don’t deserve housing. They have their crack to keep them warm.
ME2BNS12
Just because I didn't address the issue right away doesn't mean I think that. They need a place with attentive care. Otherwise, this 1/2
ME2BNS12
place might get trashed because they won't be able to maintain it or they just won't clean up. That's just the hard reality.
Goryofa
Yes, their universal crack use should be more than enough. Without fail, all mentally ill people would do best out in the cold.
OnePostCloserToAHappierLIfe
Ireland is known to have one or two people that have a certain dispreference for following the law.
ScarletEmerald
I think it's up to 3 or 4 now.
Columbus43219
lol, "dispreference."
Corrodias
Knowing nothing, you decided to write an inflammatory comment? Good job, Random Internet Person. You met the lowest common denominator.
LandiniusMaximus
Is it homes no one own??
IGotLordVoldemortsNose
Negative equity in 2009. Lots of houses empty, owners walked away. Bank has to go to court to get possession but haven't. No one owns them
Wolfdens
Prolly banks that took keys.
SilentHowling
So some homes that won't sell are sealed up and left to decay to be declared as a loss and not to inflate the supply of homes. 1/2
SilentHowling
It's pretty simple. House the homeless and figure out what help they need and give it too them. It's cheaper than letting be homeless 2/2
CubwardOHulihan
The amount of empty houses laying throughout Ireland is unreal and the cities are unaffordable. There should be grants for first time buyers
CubwardOHulihan
To renovate older properties but many won't even be put on the market.
MysteriousAsTheDarksideOfTHEMOOOOOOOOOOON
We’re waaaay past that, people need roofs over their heads.
squishybaker
I'm guessing empty council houses, or houses taken under eminent domain where the owner died with no family.
PicassoCT
Investors and romantic rich tourists who never drop by? Same as in every town with tourists?
unluckyandbored
If vacant because greedy landlord, go for it. If vacant because unsafe..best not.
HavelTh3Rock
They'll open yours too. Careful, don't piss them off.
Merky600
Owner returns: “I just went out for groceries!!”
bottledham
Ireland has a bitter history with absentee landlords.
Omicron416
That's putting it mildly.
Puppydonk
You know you can just call them "The English" now, they don't hang you for mentioning it anymore.
distraingotnobrakes
But aren’t the English just the French that hate France since the Norman Conquest of England? & Germans on the throne since Queen Victoria?
Puppydonk
/s
iamthugnasty
Even if someone owns them, clearly nobody is using them if they are sealed with solid steel doors and hinges that big. Often properties
iamthugnasty
That can't or won't rent/sell aren't maintained or kept up with and can cause problems for the neighborhood. The only benefit they serve at
iamthugnasty
That point is to help raise the net worth of a person or company as an asset.
circlebreaker
Can confirm. Some realtor in my city was letting a house downtown go to seed instead of selling/renting it. People got in and started to 1/
circlebreaker
squat there, sprucing it up by painting and planting a garden, etc. Long story short, the cops were called and eviction papers drawn up. 2/
redpandabanana
Which really needs a law against this sort of shit. Companies buying houses to make slums or property grabs
iamthugnasty
Right. But almost anyone with money is benefiting from it so that will never happen.
Applewhite5
Every house is owned by someone, most if not many by someone who doesn't live there. That's the problem.
LandiniusMaximus
Not around here, bankruptcy left a bunch of houses without owners so they are just waiting for new owners to buy them.
TacoPoweredHelicopter
Someone still ownes them.
ZackWester
a bank most likley that have no interest in selling it (artificial scarcity) or selling it for a insane amount.
whydoesitmatteranywayman
Someone still owns them, just not the people who lived in them.
SofaH3ro
i.e. the bank repossessed them so the bank owns them, but doesn't live in them, so it's wasted housing that someone could live in.
WolfQueenSelene
Exactly. Bank hoarding homes cause they can't sell them at a profit.
CypherNil
But this is happening because the government won't enforce its own laws on empty housing, the bank should be paying tax for leaving it empty
kingnoth
That means a bank owns it
PicassoCT
And now they owned a bank. Gitgoods !
ThicclikePaulBunyan
Not exactly, many foreign entities are buying home to use it as asset to save on taxation or to keep their money out of banks.
ThicclikePaulBunyan
Ex. A Chinese company keep their money in foreign assets so their government can't seize it to pay their taxes.
Gray365
No, just temporarily empty.
abruptlycontriveddingo
Imagine going to work at the Guinness factory for the day and coming home to a bunch of new room mates and no hinges on your door. Wild.
Gray365
You upset the comrades! Down votes for you!
LandiniusMaximus
Ahhhh so instead of getting their goverment to buy homes for the homeless, they steal from other civilians..
Gray365
Don't upset the comrades of imgur!
TsubakiJaeger
Civilians who own multiple properties are much lower on my priorities than people who are literally without shelter.
LandiniusMaximus
So it's okay if we steal from them? Or should the goverment buy these empty homes and rent them out at a low cost??
ProgeriaProstitutes
It's not okay that they have them in the first place
GnomeDeGuerre
Steal what? The use of a home?
iamthugnasty
Often times they won't sell/rent them and there is a reason. It's about net worth and perceived value. If they own a property and say
LordPaimon
You don’t know anything about this…
Masterleftspud
The Irish government couldn't build a sandcastle on a fucking beach
TsubakiJaeger
I've got no clue how the government works there. I do believe that people shouldn't be denied shelter while there are vacant units.
Mooseman1991
And how was it you convinced your government to give free housing to the homeless?
LandiniusMaximus
Through our local politicians, we did a form of fundraiser and got the wealthy locals to buy homes for them.
Zhagtin
(X) DOUBT
JoshiAkuma
I'm sure those (I'm assuming) handful of people are very happy. And for other millions of people? A couple of hand outs sound good but 1/2
Hurro
Trickle down economics in action!
Mooseman1991
That’s very admirable. I’m glad that worked out
Applewhite5
Landlords are parasites and any blow against their tyranny is a benefit to the human race.
mutednight
Oversimplification at best, but damn. Some ridiculous shit. Landlords equated to tyranny? Nah. Are there shit ones? Sure. But decent folktoo
Applewhite5
Exploiting the need for housing is not a decent thing to do.
mutednight
Not everyone is exploiting. That's just it.
Applewhite5
Siphoning money from the people who earned it is exploitation.
mutednight
You could say the same for everything that anyone does. It is a hollow argument. Again, there are good and bad.. but not all inherently evil
pyr0chaos
The literal name "landlord" is from medieval feudalism. The lord who owned the land and allowed the peasants to stay on it if they farmed it
pyr0chaos
We weren't even trying to be subtle with that one. We live in Feudalism with pretty sparkles.
Dannoboyo
Someone who offers you decent housing at a reasonable price is doing you a service.
HolyCringeLordBatman
"Decent housing" Fucking lol.
pyr0chaos
Sure, the nice old couple who bought a second house to rent it out and gain equity. No problem. The slumlord who owns 20 houses and cuts
pyr0chaos
Every health and safety corner while squeezing as much money as he can out of people desperate for affordable shelter? The guillotine.
nailpounder
I do hate working for slum lords...everything breaks because nothing ever serviced at better than minimum and all lowest quality materials.
Applewhite5
Yeah in the same way mobsters are doing me a service by protecting my business from "accidents" sure.
Applewhite5
Or scalpers are doing me a "service" by selling me tickets to a sold-out event.
ProgeriaProstitutes
Reasonable would be just covering expenses. But most landlords can live off of you living there .
nailpounder
maybe, maybe not. Place I'm working on was trashed $10-20,000 in damage, $1,200/month no rent last 2 years you do the math.
nailpounder
and yes, the meth addict former tenants are now homeless. hard for her to kick out a friend's children, but she can't afford to live w/o $
Bystandr
We need land lords as good ones make more housing available at reasonable prices. The issue is that greed makes a lot of them harmful.
Bystandr
Proper regulation to prevent hedge fund ownership and rules for decent practice are what is needed.
Applewhite5
"We need scalpers because good ones make sold out event tickets available at reasonable prices!"
Bystandr
The scalpers arent putting on the show. Thats the artist. The issue with helping is that the help has to come from somewhere. At a point,
Applewhite5
And the landlords aren't building the houses. So what's your point?
Bystandr
Read it - I just typed it to you
Bystandr
there are only so many vacant houses. Then you have to BUILD more and those cost money. I am an advocate for vacancy laws and laws against
Applewhite5
There are more vacant homes than homeless people. Landlords are literally gatekeeping us from a post-scarcity society.
Bystandr
multiple property ownership beyond the second, and also limiting groups and hedge funds. Would I advocate taking away some persons house
ThePakistallion
Overly simplistic generalization that’s pretty immature. Grow up. Or learn.
TheGriffin
It's on the same level as ACAB. It's obviously not ALL, but might as well be since there's nearly none who don't fit the mold
ThePakistallion
If you think someone with a second home is the problem, and not multibillion dollar corps and offshore dark accounts … you may be wrong.
TheGriffin
In this case, it's both. And a matter of degrees. A person with a second home they rent out is a home nobody else can own. But yes, 1/>
TheGriffin
2/> corps are very much the larger problem
Applewhite5
You're right. I recommend everyone read Das Kapital, the Communist Manifesto, and visit IWW.org for more nuanced and mature info.
ThePakistallion
I’ll read it, but theory is very different from application. We have to remember how the last few communist experiments ended. Many deaths.
CrashInfinite
I assume you mean stalinism and Maoism? Dictatorships are not communism, friend. that was just clever branding.
HolyCringeLordBatman
Can I ask you how capitalism is doing for the world currently? You know, corporations knowing their practices are destroying the worl
HolyCringeLordBatman
but intentionally keeping quiet and/or using their wealth to obfuscate and protect themselves.
Applewhite5
I suggest we learn the lessons from their mistakes. TBF while there were many communist revolutions, those societies never actually
Applewhite5
made it to implementing communist policy. The USSR and China were by their own admission, state capitalist.
ThePakistallion
How many first world nations are operating under communist rule currently?
Applewhite5
How many empires were democracies in 1776?
ThePakistallion
None. But one could clearly and definitively state quality of life, education, poverty rates , and safety are better in 2022 Than 1776.
Mokelzwerg
old Lady who put all savings into an apartment, to rent out and help her during her retirement is a tyrant?
nailpounder
I literally just spent thousands of her dollars rebuilding the place after the meth addicts finally were evicted...no rent for more than 1yr
HansVerhaegen
Yes. She does not contribute in any way shape or form to society, merely draining from it. She is a leech and should be treated as such.
morelikeconsham
anyone who profits off of renting is a parasite at best. Also, a note to all the weird landlord simps - if you're putting all your savings
morelikeconsham
into a property so that it can help you during retirement, you are stupid. End of discussion. You could have just used your savings.
TacoPoweredHelicopter
Yes. Landlords provide very little and extract so much. She is parasiting off of her tenants, so now they can't afford to retire.
quzar
If it's being rented out, it's not being reclaimed like this. If it's not being rented out for a long period of time the old lady would >
quzar
>rather see people on the street than lose out on higher profit. If that's the case, to hell with her.
Applewhite5
lol so weird how landlord simps always try to play on sympathy by using an old lady as an example.
Applewhite5
Almost as if they only have emotional arguments to rely upon.
fissionchips
Honestly it’s like you’re trying to start a fight between pedestrians and car owners. It’s the same people.
Applewhite5
In order for your analogy to be correct, every single person would have to own a car.
Gray365
You are using common sense on imgur? The comrades wont like that!
Mokelzwerg
The comrades are here now :)
Gray365
They are always here
Applewhite5
Funny, portraying landlords as sweet old ladies sounds more like arguing from emotion than common sense.
Mokelzwerg
Common sense has long left you comrade
Applewhite5
Oh so a sweet old lady who believes in communism has no common sense? How dare you!
OvertheEevolution
Where? Like are there thousands nah millions of old ladies doing this? Or is this hyperbole meeting "Well not every single 1"
Applewhite5
"Exploitation of the homeless is okay as long as you're old" -landlord simps.
OvertheEevolution
"We need to wait for this single old lady to die before we even talk about regulating landlords, can't inconvenience her, but can bring hurt
OvertheEevolution
the millions currently renting and struggling to survive. Those people can wait, unless they die. But still. the old lady!"
drbrisket
24% of single-family housing purchased in 2021 was by investors, at least in the states, and they’re driving up rent.
Mokelzwerg
Yeah but we weren’t talking about them.
drbrisket
Right, you were talking about a strawman old lady who rents out a house when 1 in 3 elderly are financially insecure, women more likely.
Mokelzwerg
You people are too liberal with the word strawman
Applewhite5
She's a parasite.
mutednight
Duuuuuumb.
Applewhite5
Don't sign your posts.
mutednight
Lmao touche
Mokelzwerg
More probably you‘re a parasite
Applewhite5
Sorry, I earn all my income I don't siphon it off of working people to pay the mortgage on properties I don't live in.
Mokelzwerg
Maybe you should? What’s wrong with investing money?
Thelrishlnquistion
“No you!”
Mokelzwerg
:)
iamthugnasty
Clearly she isn't renting this house/apartment out if it has solid steel doors with hinges that strong on it. Those doors are to keep
iamthugnasty
Everyone out. I've been in 1 of the most dangerous neighborhoods in the US. The only time they put those doors up was to keep out homeless
iamthugnasty
Often the squatters inside were cleaner and nicer than the people who were supposed to be there. And it was all government funded housing.
iamthugnasty
They couldn't get the funds to fix/update the units, so they just sealed them off. Because God forbid a homeless person use it instead of
jjmfdl
Some of them are.
Mokelzwerg
It’s like some people are good and some are shit. No need to throw them all in the same bucket for the sole reason they rent out apartments
jjmfdl
Only Sith deal in absolutes, they are easy, simple, binary things, easily sorted and answered, but completely unrepresentative of reality.
ElbowDeepInTheElbowDeepBandwagon
"Only the Sith deal in absolutes" is itself an absolute, therefore everyone deals in absolutes.