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[KH3] The Last Jedi
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#25 .......................
thedroidyourelookinfor
Res892
"You come from nothing. You're nothing. But not to me."
jolietjane
He's a creep. https://xkcd.com/1027 But the sad part is that Kylo genuinely felt love for her, but doesn't understand that love ≠ dominion.
xenocrisis0153
“THE MASK YOU FUCK” has a different meaning without the comma.
DefinitelyAFurry
for real though, the dust he puts his helmet on is ashes of people he's killed
votress
is it actually? cos i was wondering why there was a random tub of dust on the pristine star base
andyskeels
Holy fucking fuck, this is the best Star Wars post ever.
jolietjane
:3
andyskeels
Thank you, jane. :)
leiperscreek
I usually look at the first maybe five then go to the next post but I stuck through this one all the way through
bomboy23
I should aquire this movie through legal means and watch it finally
jondakota139000
Wait for it to be streamed in HQ for free. Not worth spending the money on it imo.
bomboy23
Oh sorry. I meant "leeeeegal"
AnonAnonson
Hux blushing at shirtless Ren? writing a h-doujin now
WellThatsJustMorePineapplePizzaForMe
#18
Tellcerseiitwasme
ratsnoM
jolietjane
Dalumbr
I enjoyed Kylo in some manner but loved ONLY the visuals and quality of acting. You'd think with Disney's money they'd have decent writers
notarepublican
Movie should have focused entirely on Ren and Rei and their various actions. Rose, Po, Finn, all the other stuff felt pointless.
gorillaClutch
When the big bad in your movie franchise basically resorts to "negging"
jolietjane
If we could pin comments, I'd pin this. I'm enamored with Kylo, but I can still see his immature, abusive nature. Some Reylo fans can't.
iDrawStuff
Am I the only one who wanted Rey to say yes when Kylo asked her to rule the galaxy with him?
DeusExSpockina
Would have been the most interesting plot point in the entire fucking movie. And then then ruined it.
myusernamebringsalltheboystotheyardandtheyrelikeitstoodamnlong
That would have been legitimately interesting.
ArkoneAxon
Maybe if he'd added, "oh, wait a second first. Let me order my fleet to stop murdering your friends."
littlemirrorsatourfeet
I wanted them to join forces and run off together. They hinted at this idea of a grey area, I wanted them to explore that idea further
Grudgebearingmidget
TBH, "Grey Jedi" WERE a thing, and many of the most notable/powerful force users I can think of off hand fit the category in some way.
HalloIamherenow
Qui-Gon Jinn and Mace Windu being the most notable.
jolietjane
Politically it was a great idea considering that the rebels are losing the war badly by then. But Luke refused the same offer.
bobbobbson
It's like poetry. They rhyme.
IamCommanderShepardAndThisIsMyFavouriteStoreOnTheCitadel
Yeah but Luke didn't have romantic/sexual tension between him and his dad... I think
greatgoatman
I would have enjoyed the twist, but honestly, why does Kylo even WANT to rule? He does nothing but what he thinks a dark side disciple 1/2
greatgoatman
is SUPPOSED to do, trying so hard to follow in Vader's footsteps. And for what? Power isn't an end, it's a means. What is he aiming for?
Coolbacca
Wait a minute, are you actually expecting plot, character development, and answers out of the new trilogy? Got some bad news for you...
Phenome
I think he wants to rule to stop following vaders footsteps. Vader was never more than a tool for the emp. Kylo wants to be more than that.
Mitchz95
I don't think even he knows the answer to that question. That's why he wants Rey to join him: so they can figure it out together.
extravagantexpression
I think that's the point: he probably doesn't even know. He seems to believe that power is its own end, but he's sorely mistaken.
thisuserenameisalreadyinuse
Solid Star Wars post. +1 and added to my Star Wars folder
MsAlderaan
Why haven't I thought of that?!
showmemetheway
phoenixht1
Shouldn't he have a scar from Chewbacca's bow caster shot?
jolietjane
You mean here?
He has a lil' scar there on his side if you look close
ilikethelastjedi
Pretty sure it’s covered by his waist high pants
LupinzPack
onlyonecookie
yessss OP is totally reylo trash
jolietjane
this
spacecatts
Seeing reylo trash on Imgur makes me so happy
frontroadgirls
Am I the only one who thinks Kylo Ren and Rey have like zero chemistry? The whole thing seemed forced imo and Rey deserves better.
TheOneTrueOpinion
yeah they are boring
jolietjane
"forced"
MsAlderaan
I approve.
ThatsMyHorse
Why does Rey need a love interest? Can't they just let her develop as a character w/o falling in love? Just seems like lazy writing to me
xrufus7x
She is totally going to get paired with Poe.
SeanSweat
I mean there has been a love arc in each trilogy, might as well one more.
houseofnifty
With these writers, having her develop like a character is like pulling teeth, so Ill take what I can get.
jolietjane
We'll see how it turns out. They might not end up together. Maybe she'll kill him. I'm eager to find out.
SinStar87
I'm hoping Ren kills the resistance and Rey and becomes the badass emperor for the next trilogy while the "jedi" start anew after finding>
SinStar87
TheNextPresident
If Kingdom Hearts 3 doesn't have a light saber keyblade I don't even know what we're doing anymore.
ILikeLarry
I WANT SO BAD
star1022
I ship it so fucking hard
MasterKatarn
You must be out of your mind, I'd rather ship Boba Fett and the Sarlacc
IProvideFakeContext
#TeamPoe
Sylphyyy
Poe is gay af for Finn, while I don’t ship it that just leaves Reylo. Siiigh.
januaryemberss
Me too. Can't help it.
extravagantexpression
1 I saw someone referring to Kylo as "messed up space Darcy" which sums up why I find this relationship equally twisted and alluring. As in
extravagantexpression
2 it's exactly the sort of delicious, fucked up, kinky melodrama I thoroughly enjoy in fiction even though I can perfectly see how wrong it
extravagantexpression
3 would be in an actual, real life relationship.
Pandamoniyum
Ugh, me too
Darksnider05
You ship a murderer with someone so hard?
catsdeservedownvotes
star1022
Underrated comment^
Dhuang
To be fair, they have both killed. Kylo just counts his kills in planets...and parents.
jolietjane
That's the weird thing about emotion and fantasy-- it hits you in the heart, not your head
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VictorMtts
Not to belittle Adam's acting (Juiliard alumnus after all), but this trilogy's finest writing is in Kylo Ren's character. Mfucker has DEPTH
jolietjane
That sounds like something Adam would say.
restos
I've shipped worse.
noodlesthedemonhunter
I'm still pretty positive Rey and Kylo are brother and sister.
SomeCrazyNerd
Or at least cousins or something.
unicornsdonotexist
There fact that they want to bang seals it, thats so Luke and Leia
InquisitorGoldeneye
https://youtu.be/gsC4kf6x_Q0
RavennaMagnus
Han's secret child
iamthisguy247
I don't think ages match up quite right but it could make sense that Snoke corrupts Ben, so Leia hides that she's pregnant, even from Han>
iamthisguy247
TheWetLustyArgonianMaid
Incest is Wincest.
xxxchocolatebearxxx
fulminatrix
Their UST in The Last Jedi makes me think they can't be. Too much build-up now, so audiences would be pissed at them doing that again.
numbertwo
Because SW doesn't recycle anything. Arms cut off, death stars, stealing plans.
jolietjane
reincarnation of Anakin and Padme is my theory
AreThoseMyPants
I believe (and hope) Rey and Anakin are the same "entity". An incarnation of the force, reborn.
RedCharlie
Eh nah Anakin wasn't this mood-...hm...
iamthisguy247
I thought she could be born like Anakin (no father), so she'd be like Anakin but not.
crazydragonlady
That's what I thought too. Like she's a nobody, comes from nowhere but somehow is really powerful with the force. And maybe she'll be 1/2
crazydragonlady
the one to finally balance the galaxy whereas anakin obviously didn't
BobKelsoMD
I don't think there's anything to support reincarnation being a thing in SW
jolietjane
True, but the EU has straight-up sith possession, which is arguably even weirder http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Transfer_essence
NotMyUsualOnlineName
Except Disney killed off the EU, now the only canon Star Wars stuff is what The Mouse says is canon.
jolietjane
It is, but they pick things out that they want to use.
samsonguy920
DeusExSpockina
I think you mean Star Trek II: Wrath of Khan.
samsonguy920
No, I did not mean that.
DeusExSpockina
Oh I think you did.
hartmonica
Does it have a romance plot or something?
MyFrontPorchInMississippi
God dammit finally someone on this site who like the last Jedi
Dick75
There are parts I like and parts I don't like.
MyFrontPorchInMississippi
I loved the whole thing.
Dick75
That's cool man. I can be a fickle bitch.
extravagantexpression
I loved it so much. The only movie I've ever gone to see in the cinema twice.
MyFrontPorchInMississippi
I have currently seen it four times
FCOAlex
I loved it. We can like it together! JOIN ME, REI.
jolietjane
I know that's not how her name is spelled but in my heart I like "Rei" better.
barzilla1911
I thoroughly enjoyed it. I just let the movie take me where it wanted to go. Much better that way.
MyFrontPorchInMississippi
Thank you! I feel like the people who hated it are hurt it smashed their fan theories
barzilla1911
Exactly! I was telling a friend of mine that I think most people had already written episode 8 in their head.
MyFrontPorchInMississippi
I had too but man I was so happy to see my ideas smashed to pieces
barzilla1911
It was refreshing to be surprised by a movie.
jolietjane
Ha ha ha... well, only the parts with Adam Driver.
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extravagantexpression
I've found my people.
Yourelateforthetea
Adam Driver is bae.
myusernamebringsalltheboystotheyardandtheyrelikeitstoodamnlong
Awful character? Kylo Ren is one of the greatest characters Star Wars has seen in years! Aided ofc by a wonderful performance from Driver
stupidhorseface
I enjoy the approach to the sith as impulsive and controlled by feelings, not necessary as "evil" per definition like in the other movies
Tylendal
Slow down there, Jacen.
QueenAmy
My friends tease me because I like his performance so much. I love this post
stupidhorseface
But why all the hate? I saw it yesterday. It was amazing.
DeusExSpockina
Plot holes, stupid plot decisions, a steep slide into classic Hollywood stereotyping, bad characterization, bad writing. And I’m a woman. :/
Slaveblade
It was 2.5 hours of mishandled plot points, filler scenes and conflicting writing all around. Not good for such a legendary series.
jolietjane
There are legit problems in the story, but some people are butthurt that the movie contains prominent women and minorities. Really. :(
stupidhorseface
What problems do you mean? I experienced it as quite fluent and logical.
extravagantexpression
No movie is flawless, and I think that even the biggest problems with TLJ were so minor that I can easily overlook them.
AnAsOfYetUnidentifiedIndividual
I think it messed with people’s expectations in a way that was uncomfortable for many people.
stupidhorseface
Well, yeah. But whats the alternative? Just another boring reboot thats the same stuff weve seen before? There would've been hate eitherways
AnAsOfYetUnidentifiedIndividual
Absolutely. I very much think it was great. But I can see why it threw people off.
extravagantexpression
I loved it precisely because it dared to be bold with its plot/character choices. I loved TFA, too, but it was so safe in comparison IMO.
EricFromAccounts
And then those same people would've complained that it was just a lame re-hash. Some people just like to complain and feel entitled.
Eclaircissement
I've seen all the movies, who/what was Snoke? How was there some old master dark side guy who played no role in the previous trilogy?
Begotten
That was supposed to be answers in TLJ but then Rian Johnson was like nah just kill him off
TheFriendliestGiant
Sidious had been plotting galactic domination for like forty years before A New Hope, Snoke was just letting him take his turn first.
Coolbacca
Based on what I have heard that didn't really work out for him, at least Sidious was successful for a while
Monkey1Overlord
You'll find out about it once they release the book "Snoke" in the months following Episode 9.
houseofnifty
Random plot device in 2 meter tall human/scrotum form, or its explained in some book you dont give a screaming shit about.
Wazzu
They, in an astoundingly stupid move, didn't write a trilogy- No overview. Just told 2 guys to write a films. Second guy didn't like Snoke.
Briandavi
Isn't it obvious?
TheKillingName
Best theory I've seen yet!
ssj3icecap
You win the internet today
RJCrane
Have you heard the tragedy of Darth Plaugeus the Wise?
TheArkhamAsylumAccountsPayableClerk
Smoke is an ancient being, older than Yoda who waited in the shadows while sidious took over and saw a power vacuum to exploit when he died
airdale153
Just because there is a rule of two. Does not mean there are not other dark side users in the universe, snoke just filled the void after Sid
nofeeblechrist
He's not a Sith. There are no Sith in the new trilogy.
airdale153
He was doing the rule of two with Kylo, literally called him his apprentice.
axelfive
It's Jar Jar.
CaptainMarkoRamius
In their defense, no one knew who the emperor was, or how the Jedi allowed him to take power when the original trilogy came out.
starsky416
I'm ok not knowing. I think it adds to the size of the Galaxy and the mystery of what's out there. Not everyone has to be significant.
IProvideFakeContext
Someone unimportant to the story. He represents the past of the Dark side, so he needed to die.
EricFromAccounts
It's hilarious how downvoted you're getting. It's so hard for some to wrap their heads around the fact that SOME CHARACTERS DON'T MATTER.
IProvideFakeContext
I think someone people just really didnt want the movie to be good. Would more Snoke be great? Sure, great, interesting character, and
IProvideFakeContext
portrayed by a phenomenal actor. But he's not really that important. He was there to establish why a Solo would turn, not much else.
Wazzu
Well, the first movie writers thought he mattered. Second movie's writers were like "fuck snoke!"
IProvideFakeContext
Nah, the more I look back, the more unimportant he seems.
Wazzu
Well, that's just narrative choices. He could have been important, but they chose for him not to be. Consider Breaking Bad 1)
Wazzu
Initially, Season 1 was going to end with Tuco beating Jesse to death. They changed that, but how different would the show have been? (2/2)
AceOfShovels
Well they killed him off pretty damn quick so we may never find out.
GrimdogX
From what I've heard they had a bit of a storyboard draft ready to explain that but Rian Johnson said no.
BadamWarlock
Well, Darth Plageuis was alive for almost the entirely of the Phantom Menace and didn't show up a single time in any of the movies, and 1/4
BadamWarlock
Dooku was around as well. A lot of these people just exist on the fringe until they're relevant to the story or expanded upon in books or2/4
BadamWarlock
comics. Snoke is confirmed to not be Sith so he presumably wouldn't have been able to work with the Empire amicably and/or had different 3/5
BadamWarlock
goals/didn't want to bother fighting them when it would be easier to take over afterwards. I suspect that he'll probably be built up in 4/5
BadamWarlock
a book because a lot of people seem interested, but I think the intent with him was always to have an Emperor stand-in to feel like the OT.
sorensiim
Dude, his origin story is in one of the very first scenes of A New Hope:
extravagantexpression
Honestly, I have zero interest in his backstory. He was there to be the big bad until Kylo was ready to take his place. I'm OK with that.
JustDontCare
He's a dark force user. As far as I have heard. That's pretty much it. Running theme: everyone and anyone can be an asshole.
Felderburg
If Snoke is right that Ben's dark caused Rey to be created in light to meet him, he's probably just a nobody dark guy to meet Luke's light.
Dracongield
Jar Jar after many bad things happened to him
RickHalcyon
The guy could have been off elsewhere doing something, or marooned or something. He doesn't HAVE to be willingly sidelined in the OT.
vampirehedgehog
He's three Porgs in a trenchcoat.
rabbiebabbie
Some weird theories out there about that
TheLannistersSendALovelyFruitBasket
By far my favorite part of the new trilogy is laughing at the idiocy coming from the Snoke theories
SephiRothIRA
My favorite part of the new trilogy is laughing at the new trilogy.
Shibbby
I heard he's a youngling that got away from Anakin...
ImmaStealYoReactionPics
Some people say it isn't important to know who Snoke is b/c we didn't know who the Emperor was before the prequels but (1)
ImmaStealYoReactionPics
I disagree with them because this new trilogy builds upon so much history that to ignore Snokes backstory seems sloppy. (2/2)
xrufus7x
His bacxkstory wasn't important to the new trilogy. That being said, he will get one either through another movie, the new series coming 1/2
myusernamebringsalltheboystotheyardandtheyrelikeitstoodamnlong
I get where you’re coming from, but I think introducing. Snoke in the first place was such a misstep that getting rid of him without a 1/-
myusernamebringsalltheboystotheyardandtheyrelikeitstoodamnlong
Fuss was the right move. Not giving him a backstory is weird, but he was just such a lame character to begin with. I’m glad they 2/-
myusernamebringsalltheboystotheyardandtheyrelikeitstoodamnlong
expedited his departure from the movies. He didn’t serve much purpose at all and pretty much failed at th role he was intended to fulfil 3/-
xrufus7x
2/2 out or comics and a book.
Loser100000
Thank you for finally proving that I'm not the only one who thought this!
HolyNightmare
Hopefully they’ll fix that with a movie or at least bandage it with some animated series (even though Palp was in movies and series)
Corrodias
Agreed. In the original trilogy, introducing an emperor expanded the universe, hinting at more history and politics. In the latest movies, »
Corrodias
it's a jarring shift because it's not something *new*, it's a replacement of something old with a lot of missing time and no info.
Corrodias
That said, considering how much older the characters are, I have to accept that there was a huge timeskip, but it feels... empty.
TouchMeInTheMoonlightAnus
This was addressed by the little lady with the glasses in the first new one. She's seen cunts come and go, and these are the new bad cunts.
watercoolerdictator
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TheLannistersSendALovelyFruitBasket
They actually hinted at Palpatine fearing him in the newest Thrawn book, IIRC
Ryebread91
Is thrawn new canon or old canon? And I fail to see how snoke would've compared to palpatine in power & cunning if I went just from the film
aleafonthewind
Both. The trilogy in which Thrawn originally appeared is no longer canon. He returned to canon in Rebels, and the new book, Thrawn.
Ryebread91
So snoke is hinted at in the newer then. Thanks
mann0311
that was more of a call back to EU then anything i thought.
ghepip
And they also have a talked in the original trilogy about a dark force hiding in the outer rim.
BobKelsoMD
Not in the original trilogy
ghepip
You are correct but he does mention it, you can read more here http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Unknown_Regions
BobKelsoMD
I think I understand what you're saying, but that's still early EU not anything found in the movies
MaddogExplosive
I haven't read the book in question, so I could be wrong, but isn't that the Yuuzhan Vong that they're foreshadowing?
ghepip
Mm not sure, I thought it was the outer rim but I was mistaken, see here http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Unknown_Regions
mann0311
thrawn was alluding to the yuzhang that resided there.
kookas19
When?
Demortra
Probably one of the new books added in after the movies.
ghepip
You can read more here http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Unknown_Regions
MaddogExplosive
You mean the book titled "Thrawn"? I read that book, loved it, and I don't recall any reference to Snoke at all.
TheLannistersSendALovelyFruitBasket
I haven't read it yet but I thought there was a reference to some "growing dark side power" in the outer rim or wild space
MaddogExplosive
I just Googled it. What you're talking about seems to be from Star Wars Aftermath: Empire's End. Interesting.
TheLannistersSendALovelyFruitBasket
Ah. Need to catch up with the new books. They sound killer so far
steviedrawsdinos
Ok stay with me. My dad thinks he may be Plagueis, and that Plagueis can possess Force users or something..
AustenHostetler
Everything I have read about plageuis is that he was the embodiment of "The One", when Plageuis died his soul or essence was transferred to-
AustenHostetler
Another host, but with none of his memories; this is Anakin, when Anakin dies "The One" is split into Rey and Kylo.
TheArkhamAsylumAccountsPayableClerk
He's not plagueis but there are strong hints that they knew each other.
illadelphin006
He has all the appropriate features and wounds Plagueis would have if he prolonged his life. He was my guess the second I saw snoke...
illadelphin006
But then Andy Serkis broke our theory by stating snoke was a completely original character.
jolietjane
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Transfer_essence Yep, it's a thing in the EU. A sith even tries this on Luke and Leia's baby, but fails!
Ealadon
Luke and Leia you say,
jolietjane
oh my fuck >_<
Ealadon
It might explain why Ren could kill Han, replacement daddy! And why Luke considered on him, he saw the result of the forbidden fruit!
jolietjane
that's a question that the next movie had better fucking answer
SnappleCactus
I hope it doesn't, would be completely random and silly to shoe horn in an explanation now, leave that to books and comics
WiqidBritt
Yup, I think people are spoiled now with how much lore there is about the old stuff. They forget no one knew anything the old movies didn't-
WiqidBritt
tell them outright until much later.
JonSnowsAbs
My guess is he was one of the Jedi thought to be killed in the mass genocide and barely survived but was probably jaded as fuck after.
landcfan
Wookiepedia says he was the leader of the Attendants http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Snoke#cite_note-Complete_Locations-9
Viper21
No one likes to look for info anymore... thanks man +1
Satherian
I feel like a major part was that Snoke didn't matter. He was just a stand-in figure cause they didn't want Kylo in charge right away
BadamWarlock
Yeah, he was just "the emperor until we're ready for Kylo to lead". There was nothing to him and I doubt there ever will be.
Demortra
It gets answered in the books released recently... Kinda sad they built him up only to have the big reveal in the unadvertised books.
Fivemachinesinjapanese
Not revealing Rey's parents or Snoke's past was a let-down. I can understand why, but it still sucks.
WiqidBritt
I think Rey's parents being unimportant was saying you don't have to be a member of a dynasty to be powerful. It's kind of a eugenics-
WiqidBritt
argument to say that her parents must have been strong if she is. The force is supposed to be mystical. Anakin didn't have a dad. The force-
WiqidBritt
was manipulated to create him. Who's to say that fate couldn't cause the Force to coalesce around someone else in the same way?
bobtheaxolotl
There's another film yet, and it's being directed by Abrams, who's the one who set up these questions. They might yet get answers.
WiqidBritt
Yeah cause Abrams is real great at answering those questions... his "mystery box" shit is stupid.
bobtheaxolotl
Well, it makes no sense for everyone to shit on another director (which is happening). If it doesn't get answered, it's Abrams' fault.
EmperorDurrell
1. controversial opinion, but when RotJ came out, no one knew who tf the Emperor was and Star Wars was a lot better for it. he's a big bad
Demortra
Except they were movies 4, 5, 6. 1, 2, 3, were supposed to have come out before then but according to lucas the tech was wrong.
RendarSpire
I do agree but the Emperor did get a slight backstory in IV, and then again when we see him as a hologram in V.
Tiinymonkey
I get your point but we know how everything else is connected, and he sticks out.
WiqidBritt
Exactly, one of the points TLJ makes is that the shit you learned in the prequels kinda doesn't matter. SW was great without knowing it.
abidikgubidik
Yeah, well we didn't have 7 movies prior to it, where they killed all the force users
WiqidBritt
The Empire didn't cover the entire galaxy, actually just a rather small sliver of it.
BhawbTheMagnificent
Except they didn't. The Sith killed all the Jedi (except for the ones they didn't), and then Luke killed 2 known Sith.
abidikgubidik
Who were supposed to be the only sith (since they are always a pair). Admit it, they created Snoke to fill palpatine's shoes and 1/2
EmperorDurrell
sith and that's all he needs to be. he's a red herring intended to strengthen Kylo's arc. sith Empire sympathizer with lots of money, done.
WiqidBritt
He's technically not Sith tho if I may be that kind of asshole nerd. The Force is bigger than Jedi or Sith.
Orangesoda17
zelgadiss44
Yes he is a giant red herring no he isn't a sith and i image they will explore his back story more in the books and comics
TalosValcoran
No, you can't hold the villain from the starting point to the same standard as a new villain introduced in the 7th fucking movie.
Spearse
It's like people forget that Snoke APPEARS IN THE 7th STAR WARS MOVIE AFTER A 6 EPISODE VILLAIN DIED. Nah needs no explanation at all.
WiqidBritt
It's a NEW trilogy, and the "Galactic Empire" didn't cover the entire galaxy. There was other shit going on outside the empire.
sulfuratus
Difference is that the whole Empire didn't get any introduction in the first Star Wars. However, we have a clear cut backstory for the 1/2
sulfuratus
First Order. If Snoke is some kind of dark side autodidact it would leave everyone unsatisfied and push the logical fringes. 2/2
PleaseDoNotThrowHandsAtMe
Just went and resaw it and had the exact same realization. They even got similar screen time if you think about it. People are just...
PleaseDoNotThrowHandsAtMe
...comparing it through the lens of all the eu and prequels we got. The name palpatine wasn’t even ever said in the OT.