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J0765
Today’s kids know this inherently. It’s the adults who believe everything on the Internet.
Adiath
Pretty sure most kids know not to trust the internet. No fact checks needed. Their parents and grandparents are the issue.
GenStrike
We called it "media studies" at my high school 20 YEARS AGO
dart223
We really need to step up school funding. Bring back shit like this. Classes on how to adult 101 too. Schools really have gotten crowded
barbarian818
They already do this in Canada. I've helped two of my boys with homework assignments related to that.
Captaintippie
As a child my dad constantly told me the importance of fact checking and research instead of blindly taking ppl at face value.
Captaintippie
Now as a parent I tell and show my kids why thats still important.
nosedive
National news owned by a few mega corps. News business makes money by selling adverting. Not about information or "Truth". Not their product
FiftyShadesOfCauliflower
That's why it's important to trace information back to the source. To news agencies like AP & Reuters, or to peer-reviewed research papers.
Lamplord
The teens I know vet their sources more than most adults I know. Honestly, they grew up seeing firsthand not everything on the Int is true.
lotyboy11
I teach media to high school students and part of my media ethics lessons is verification of sources before publishing.
krisTSquare
Illinois has a requirement of that in English classes Most states do. It’s whether or not people choose to care, do it, and continue
HoneyBadgersAreBadAsses
And also lots of science. It is unacceptable someone leaving school and thinking the fucking Earth is flat.
Smidge204
Crash Course Navigating Digital Information: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4aNmdL3Hr0&list=PL8dPuuaLjXtN07XYqqWSKpPrtNDiCHTzU
Gildy88
I was always taught the five Ws. Who? What? When? Where? Why? It's always served me well
Toodamagedtocare
We the parents are the first teachers... Manners, morals, life skills that is on us the parents 1st..when they start school they should1/
Toodamagedtocare
/2 know right from wrong and how to grow, learn, and love life ! Social skills..we have to teach by example ? We have to learn to love.
ArseneWengersZipper
Had a neighbor argue that this is teaching propaganda that we should trust mainstream media, bc they are compromised.
gwydd
This sounds like an utterly new problem and not a story as old as time.
MofongoBalls
You mean I spent all that time on a bibliography for those damn profs to not check it?
hunbjornspiserjordbaer
I’ve read books by PhDs that have shitty sourcing. You cross reference to verify an ambiguous statement - in a published book- & it’s wrong.
firefighter26
My son's teacher last year did this: Gave them articles and they had to find sources tamhat support their claims and articles with 1/2
firefighter26
2/2 misinformation or partial facts and they had to find the real information. They'd discuss ways to identify trusted sources, etc.
Kunitsu
ive been working on teaching my daughter to identify trusted sources, its good for them to learn to think for themselves and verify info
Kunitsu
too many facebook warriors and youtube conspiracy theorists for kids to get sucked into if they dont learn how to fact check early
deathpeppers
In my experience, more often than not, the older generations struggle with this. It's not usually the younger ones.
Applecrack
I blame Bush for No Child Left Behind. It created a bunch of idiots that got pushed along even though they failed.
CallMeIshmael1MoreTimeNPowInTheKisser
Why don't we just bring back the media Fairness Doctrine? Make the news channels report both sides of the story.
Jomini001
It’s called research, and it’s not only already taught but taught to be applied to far more than just social media.
dayneo
Thank you
CrypticalEnvelopement
I'm a 35 year old college student and all students had to take a 100 level class called information literacy that was exactly this
Ginoawesomesauce
My kids had to cite their sources last year. They're 8 and 10. It sucks some people can go thru that and still grow into idiot adults, but..
Ginoawesomesauce
I teach community College many of my students claim to not know stuff my 2nd grader knows
BloodGoddess
Ah yes, I recall Research class...
7StringAstronaut
More than just research. Valid sources. Discerning fact from falsehoods. I know many who “research” information all day on Fox News etc
LONELOBO
It was called “Compare and Contrast” essay!!
Jomini001
Lol yeah. And idk about you but my fifth grade teacher had us all do a presentation on a current event every week.
sqqqq2
And it’s taught too late. It needs to be taught to younger kids is the point.
Jomini001
How young? Kindergarten? Science fair projects and book reports started in 4th grade for me dude, idk where you went to school.
Ginoawesomesauce
My kids had to cite their sources last year. They're 8 and 10. It sucks some people can go thru that and still grow into idiot adults, but..
StarSpangeledAbroad
It’s taught in middle school.
sqqqq2
Yay for America.
Tarmaccian
Elementary school starts it with things like book reports.
leodavinci1
Start by teaching them social media is not their friend and the internet is not the place to seek the truth.
dudeinsha
Perhaps the most useful skill is to distinguish the NYT from Breitbart?
hobojones85
The internet is an amazing place to find useful info. Trying to convince others it isn't is the wrong move. Fact checking is needed tho.
NothingPrince
We do and we also teach fact checking.
FiftyShadesOfCauliflower
The internet is a treasure trove of peer-reviewed research, whereas lurid tabloids also still exist in print form. It's not the internet ...
FiftyShadesOfCauliflower
that is the problem. The internet is a great place to find facts if you know how to evaluate the credibility of information sources.
MercerSkye
Most all truth can be found on the Internet. How about instead of teaching our kids from becoming tech fearing Neanderthals, we point them >
MercerSkye
in the right direction, and give them the tools to properly find that truth in the vast space of the internet
anewshineything
Adults need to learn this. Kids know this. Adults don’t get that kids know this. Adults are the problem here.
nivE3066
Thats also the wrong option. Kinda like christians telling teens to not have sex. They wont listen so teach sexed and teach internet usage
CorneliusCornwall
I think my class got that speech every so often. That and pedophiles will trick you into relationships in chat rooms
effyyou
There is a ton of truth to be found on the internet. They need to learn about peer review & publishing.
Kunitsu
mined learned this lesson in a recent social studies lesson. Which was a more reliable source? A firsthand account from someone who was
Kunitsu
witness to the event? Or several dependable sources with evidence, photos or video? First hand accounts can vary as time passes, she picked
Kunitsu
the dependable sources because it sounded more believable
ColClone54
They need to know to research who owns which sites and services. And they need to learn history.
Mack1986
Teachers just tell kids to question everything and not trust anyone. But don't teach critical thinking or research skills
hunbjornspiserjordbaer
So they’ll find something they “trust” and not be smart about bias/perspective/phrasing/sourcing/etc. It’s truly infuriating.
DukeDarkwood
This is when they're not teaching them to accept the teaching as facts not to be questioned. Often, the same teachers in both cases.
ljw1004
My 2nd grade kid is covering this and other Internet safety/competence topics in her Thursday library tech class.
itsallaboutthecones
And would be labeled liberal propoganda by the same parents who fight the teaching of evolution. Actually it would be fought by more than
itsallaboutthecones
just those parents. The teachers can do their level best 8-3 but if the shit heads around the TV shove too much dumb assert down their kids
itsallaboutthecones
throats from the time they can talk, it's an uphill fucking climb to come back from that.
plasticsoul
Friend, how many American teachers in rural schools have you met? I had one that read every chain email she got to the class as fact.
TiredOfTheBS
Jesus fucking Christ that’s insane
Aslesen
Rural ND English teacher here, just went over writer bias/reader bias for our APA research paper sources!.
boognish115
Rural education all over the world is generally lesser than more populated areas. The problem is that in the US rural votes matter more 1/2
boognish115
due to the electoral college. 2/2
Heywhatcouldgowrong
They mentioned disclaimer of good schools.
bj52398
Their parents need that class, too.
MadeYouLookAgain
They're'ar* did you not go too school?
Shmeadicus
Grandparents especially
Vaziera
I am almost afraid that some can't be taught and we will have to wait for them to die off- most likely from something preventable even.
TheMcDevitt
Too late for some I'm afraid
BryanLaserEpee
Seriously I'm all for going after google, twitter, FB but they need to start calling out the talk hosts like Tucker for their control too
JPStroudIsMyName
Linda curious that Google Facebook got hammered over 2016, yet nobody asked Fox News to testify in front of congress.
chemicalBagel
My boomer parents need it more than the kids.
Howdoilife
Thats a big problem imo, that a LOT of older people still voting don't understand modern technology and many of them don't want to.
HeywouldJablowme
Their parents need that class far more than the kids. The kids already know how to do that
Kunitsu
yes fuck, my mother needs that
CouchCarrot
And their parent's parents.
SickGirl01
Take Grandma with!
CalvinisHobbes
The meme is about Information Literacy: over the last 5 years, many teachers teach it. Source: I am a teacher who specializes in info lit
NutellaElephant
The fact that kids have to teach that to their parents is the reason for resentment and depression from self-raised gen z
SociallyAwkwardCanadianMoose
I need this because I'm an idiot
RedWingedBlackbirds
Me 2
apeshigh
SHOW EVERYONE! also how to read between the lines. Or just how to learn for themselves instead of having to be given an opinion
TheCaptionGuy
Saw this the other day on the ol’ FB:
bj52398
Joe's wife has Phd. In education. I hope she bends his ear, too.
Vaziera
Yes. Design high school to ACTUALLY help you survive in the outside world. Finding teachers and paying them well to do so.
Vaziera
Because as the saying goes: you get what you pay for. Shitty pay =shitty education?
GetInLosersWereGonnaDoScience
My child is learning this right now in social studies. How to fact check, what sites/resources are reputable. Her teacher is amazing.
Kunitsu
im working on that with my kid! =)
TwoFlower68
Great, just what we need, kids being indoctrinated with realism. Stop the education!!1!!one!!
TheZommie
truths a bunch of liberal propaganda. education just gets in the way of supporting GOP values. poor people are taking your money...somehow?
HarryDresdenIsMySpiritAnimal
This must be the liberal agenda I keep hearing about in higher education. You should withdraw your kid and homeschool now! /s
NoBergine
Lets call supreme court to make an end to this!
NoodlesWthADHD
Boy Fox News would collapse fast
Zamm005
Like all religious followings, it’s always too late for the parents. Educate the kids and just accept the bullshit from parent until they’re
Zamm005
dead... trying to change a religious persons opinion only hardens it. Especially when there’s a Trump type making sure!
bj52398
As an atheist, it is kinda funny winding them up every now and then.
Zamm005
Yea. It’s funny because someone believing the earth is 6000 years old is harmless... less harmless with them believing in Trump tho...
Zamm005
(I say religion is harmless. Of course, it’s not a coincidence that the US is the most religious democracy, and suffering populism worst)
hoehandleharry20500
And their Trumptard grandparents that use two hands on a mouse
sparklebeastmonster
Oh, school librarians. They have largely been defunded in school libraries, and replaced with part-time untrained assistants.
sparklebeastmonster
We should fund schools better and get librarians with their MLIS in to school libraries
WhosCatIsItAnyway
Fund schools in general. It always boggled me that my teachers needed side hustles and summer jobs
Ilverus
The amount of real-time (mis)information supersedes what all the libraries in the world can hold. No amount of funding can help with that.
sparklebeastmonster
Giving up certainly doesn't help.
Ilverus
Knowing one's limits isn't giving up. Nor is redirecting one's efforts into what one can control.
sparklebeastmonster
Libraries are often looking for community partners. If you can, help support outreach, book collection updates, etc.
sparklebeastmonster
I'm working on a financial literacy project to support those who lost their homes in the fires. I'm seeking partnerships to make it useful.
likeumreal
Reading teacher here. A lot of this would not be a problem if kids simply read more. Not reading worksheets, reading for pleasure. It works.
Endonae
Not a viable solution, most people clearly do not like reading books. TV and video games are far more interesting.
Kunitsu
im glad my daughter takes after me with that one! She loves books! We used to stop at books-a-million after picking up dog and cat food
Kunitsu
mostly because they had this little coffee shop i loved in there... she'd always pick out a handful of books she wanted and beg for them
anewshineything
Kids aren’t the issue though. It’s their parents. Their parents need the class.
GhostofCain
Still, critical thinking is a "shield" we have to activate every time we read - and we're bombarded with information far beyond capacity...
BarbedWireCatheter
What’s wrong with our built-shield of “everything i agree with is true and everything else is false”?
PigleythePig
I always tell them to follow the money trail - who is paying for this to be out out there. Why? What do they gain or lose?
VAPOR85
Gotta start them on a lower rung may I suggest the just series by andy griffiths
ButterfaceTaintClown
in the UK, this is covered in the history curriculum. a good teacher will relate it to their pupils experience.
SuperHir0
Have they forced prageru on you yet? Bc kids Def won't learn those skills once consistently exposed to that shit. Some already are.
AssDewlap
As a former child bookworm, I am horrified that my step kids don't read. Their dad and I read in front of them so we're trying to model 1/
AssDewlap
The behavior, but they never even expressed interest in what we're reading. Both of them are way under grade level but think lower level 2/
AssDewlap
Books are too babyish. They're both in their teens so I fear it's already ingrained. Even manga and graphic novels barely get a glance.
AssDewlap
We used to frequently take them to libraries and used bookstores, and they would each pick something, but they never read it.
likeumreal
Reading teacher you're responding to - it takes a lot longer the older they are. A possible hook is if they have a movie that's based on a
wHatThEQuAk
Thats actually something u have to inspire them to. Most books are terrible and boring in school, just "work"&source checking needs learning
likeumreal
Same reading teacher you're responding to - a kid who reads whatever they like is always the more critical and better prepared student
RedClaws23
Kids read for pleasure all the time now. They read tweets, imgur posts, memes, reddit sobstories, youtube comments, they read more words eve
RedClaws23
ry day than any previous generation, all voluntarily.
likeumreal
They do. Volume is the single factor in literacy levels and hours on social media versus hours in front of a wall of words from an article,
likeumreal
book, or what have you is so much less. Regardless of mode of delivery
likeumreal
- reading teacher whose, you're responding to
RedClaws23
There has never been a time in human history when kids, on average, spent hours every night reading books. That's a comparison to something
Myrectumhousesasmallindonesianfamily
More kids need to be told that bools are not the only thing one can read for pleasure.
likeumreal
Rdg tchr you're responding to - as long as kids are putting words thru their eyes into their brain from whatever source, it's reading. The
likeumreal
"problem" with non-book sources is the amount of reading actually done. Volume is the deciding factor in literacy levels not content.
likeumreal
That said, hours & hours texting/surfing social media won't provide the varied word experience that reading an article or a story would,
likeumreal
regardless of quality, level, or mode of delivery
Imherefortheanimalpics
Books teach so much more than just to read.
MasterPrime
bools can only be read as true or false. You'll get an error if a bool returns pleasure.
mirrelle
Boolprop testingcheatsenabled true
anewshineything
As If there’s nothing of substance on the web. Thats what out of touch adults think. Who don’t respect the youth. Change your perspective.
raptorjesuswentextinct4ursinz
Tbf , the issue is that there is an excess of trite bullshit. Kids don’t get much out of the web if it’s unboxing videos& annoying orange
bentren
Tbf, there are lots of books i would consider useless also.
anewshineything
Kids now can discern, better than adults, because they’ve grown up with it. Same reason seniors are more often victims of email scams.
MrTay
Uhhhhh there is we do. All those times they ask you to source things and teach you how to source things.
KenjiHimura
it's not enough. kids these days don't even read books. they use SparkNotes. Wikipedia.
Jomini001
Unfortunately you can lead a horse to water but not make it drink. The problem isn’t that kids are coming out of school untrained, but
Jomini001
Unmotivated to apply their lessons. Assuming they bothered to learn them in the first place.
KenjiHimura
thats very true. but thats also because schools prioritize sports over academic achievement. yes, sports develops teamwork but so does +1
KenjiHimura
robotics and technical projects. clubs that emphasis learning a trade or computer language is what we need more of. in high school.
sqqqq2
Uhhhhhh for long form written work, not tweets and Facebook etc. n
Jomini001
The principles being applied are the same. It’s merely a matter of scale. Whether an investigative or critical thinking skills are
Jomini001
Applied is entirely the reader’s prerogative.
MrTay
The same applies. I source everything I see on this site before I show anyone or repeat it.
sqqqq2
How many others do?
MrTay
Not enough but that’s not because they were never trained how.
Burried
Oh they should've just magically realised it? If your enviroment discourages fact checking what then? Maybe school would be nice
morelikeconsham
You were expected to extend that thought process to every aspect of your life. If you did not, you have only yourself to blame - that's like
morelikeconsham
not realizing you could use arithmetic to help with your woodworking or like not realizing you could use your computers class to help format
morelikeconsham
your resume.
noxdracoria
I work at a H.School and we've had a program for a few years now that specifically looks at critical thinking and social media/the internet
noxdracoria
from how to tell if a picture is faked/stolen from a different source to how to compare different news sites and check for biases
noxdracoria
and educating them on the whole bubble effect from all the different sources tailoring news feeds and google searches on a per user basis
noxdracoria
I think the bigger issue is adults that don't understand how to do that stuff or why they need to fact check things themselves