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shaxaahunov123
"Traitor"
shaxaahunov123
Okay it was bad and incomprehensible joke
kurelx
Nah, it wasn't a bad joke. Imgurians saw traitor and immediately went for your throat without realizing it's a Star Wars reference.
MetalJesus
Is it time for the monthly Snowden circlejerk? It is? Okay, cool.
Drewscifer
Whenever I look at him I can't help but see the weaselly looking dude in a lot of the Faye Reagan vids.
drkpaladin
Oh look, a scumbag who sold his country out to China and Russia.
tr3buchet
Oh look, an uneducated person!
cousteau
Oh look, a penny! https://stuartreviewsstuff.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/penny-black-dress-kaley-cuoco.jpg
tr3buchet
Something about picking it up and it'll be good luck
Novaxine
such an overrated cunt tbh.
wellju
Such an uneducated cunt, frankly.
spacerocks
dude needs to be pardoned.
Hybris51129
Why do the masses continue to see this man as a hero when he reveled nothing new that wasn't already available?
MonserrSans
In my opinion, I believe he does need to be punished for going to the Russians...just a very unpopular opinion.
JohnBoy922
*Exhales* Dude...Heavy...*unzips*
binkythe900ftcarrot
follow his twitter - very up-to-date on spy stuff, international relations and geopolitics. a very cool head in all this confusion
Earthgrubb
"Being called a traitor by Dick Cheney is the highest honor you can give an American" - Snowden
JesusMowsMyLawn
The only thing keeping me going is the belief that the poor fkr that has to watch me is even more bored than I am with my life.
DangerMeme
I'm starting to like this guy.
ThingsiDo
Imgur is just scared to have people see their search history tbh
WilwoWaggins
And they will reserve the info to punish their enemies. Who has not exceeded a speed limit or viewed pornography?
jadespider
That man is a national HERO. I don't have much, but he can stay at my place and eat free bad cooking, anytime, for as long as he wants.
JaredKidd
You should all see the interview he did with John Oliver. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XEVlyP4_11M
ScruffyLookingNerfingHerder
This man is a traitor to America and ultimately did more harm than good.
ourari
Nope, he's not been charged with treason: http://uspolitics.about.com/od/antiterrorism/a/The-Criminal-Case-Against-Edward-Snowden.htm
ScruffyLookingNerfingHerder
Right, I'm sure he's not sitting in Russia babbling his mouth off. Also, I never said he had been charged with treason; I just said he was a
ScruffyLookingNerfingHerder
traitor.
helloalice
Imgur glitched and showed this to me titled "Edward Snowden" & I searched desperately for satire, subtext, anything. But it's just a recipe.
Kaysmira
Strange things happen to me in the mobile app when I dig too deep in the comments and "load more" nested comments.
helloalice
aaaand I'm actually on the wrong post entirely
TheEmporer
It does that from time to time. Specially with comments
vdangit
Laughed at the thought of you searching a recipe for subtext +1
nullbr
The NSA did that
INeverThoughtIdMakeThisAccount
This made me laugh so hard, thanks for your confusion, poor, unsuspecting imgurian.
helloalice
cousteau
This is hilarious.
mediumsizedtittycommittee
I don't know what that is but it actually sounds as if it would be delicious if cooked properly. Anyone got a recipe name?
GodApollo
Well im doomed. The amount of times ive made terrorism jokes and screamed allahu akbar is... well... too damn high.
mypasswordispancake
#2 Except the difference is that having something illegal that your are hiding is different than being able to speak your mind
mypasswordispancake
Not that I disagree with his motivations, I just don't fully agree with the comparison
EnigmaRequiem
Yeah, it's just not a very good comparison.
lifeisaburrito
source?
mypasswordispancake
source for what?
lifeisaburrito
Huh, imgur glitch posted my comment under the wrong one.
omegapulsar
Just remember he is saying all of this from Russia, which means what he is saying is approved first by Russia.
FlyingHawks
That isn't what it means at all
Quarantinous
At least one of these quotes comes from the video he made exposing the NSA/CIA, this was before he was in Russia...
Schmedes
"But he blew the whistle and then fled the country, he's a hero to all!" - Internet
Quarantinous
He would have been put in prison for life, he offered to come back if they would give him a fair and open trial, the DOJ sent him 1/2
Quarantinous
2/2 a letter that said 'we promise not to torture you', but ignored his request for a real trial
Schmedes
Source?
Quarantinous
I was present at a live conference with him over skype and he told this story
WabbitCZEN
That makes him wrong?
draco91
What exactly makes him right though? And no, it just means Russia is likely using him as a mouthpiece for propaganda purposes.
WabbitCZEN
Our Presidential candidates are Trump and Clinton. How much worse could Russian propaganda be?
Britich
What makes you think that we are the good guys and that were right? The west has done some horrible things since ww2.
draco91
And the Russians haven't before or since? Everyone has done horrible things, but Russia is still shit place to live compared to virtually
draco91
any place in the West.
WabbitCZEN
We're still doing horrible things. Our government doesn't even try to hide it anymore.
Britich
I laugh that we both got downvoted for pointing out the truth.
BooksandBiceps
Snowden lost all credibility when he decided to gift US foreign intelligence methods to our enemies. "Domestic" my ass. Napoleon complex.
PikachusThug
Your very idea of "enemy" has been skewed by the same people who spy on you. Our real enemy is here at home. Not abroad, other Americans
PikachusThug
Want to take your freedoms and way of life. Not the Russians, not the Chinese.
Glumerlink
The fact that he ran after whistleblowing basically reveals he wanted to be a Martyr, it wasn't good enough for him to "save" things
driftinginspace
I just assumed that show "person of interest" was not entirely fiction. Great show by the way.
cousteau
Except there's a whole hierarchy of people behind that system, not just a godlike machine... or is there?
TakWriterOfWorlds
This reminds I need to go finish the last season. I kinda forgot about that show.
buffalosnowcrash
2% of what he released had to do with NSA domestic spying. The other 98%? Foreign spying. AKA THE MISSION OF THE NSA! Fuck the traitor.
shadowbanmeagain
LOL we only 2% broke the law and violated the Constitution and our citizens.
MrBayernMunchen
I have nothing but respect for this man, gave up his life in order to help others
BooksandBiceps
"Gave up his life" for a cushy stay in Russia and worldwide celebrity status by people who forget everything else he gave away.
BooksandBiceps
Including foreign intelligence gathering methods and current operations. He's an asshole with a savior complex.
TemporaryUzername
HE'S A TORORRISS
WhyTheFkkisntchickfilAOPENSUNDAYSITDOESNTMAKESENSENSEINEEDCHKN
Inncocent people died because of him
withoutahead
Genuinely interested, who?
Relicanth
He helped nobody, he told us nothing we didn't already know, he betrayed the trust placed in him a jeopardized national relations. Traitor.
montemanm1
"I only regret that I have but one life to lose for my country." THAT level of hero!
BooksandBiceps
Except he didn't. He know lives in a cushy apartment with celebrity status worldwide. Such a martyr.
Bbbrrr000ccckkk1
I don't, he's kind of an idiot. He basically broke the law to confirm the Patriot Act is not bullshiting us. All we had to do was read it.
lickwidghost
And did you?
Bbbrrr000ccckkk1
I read enough of it in 2004ish to know the government can hear/read any of my electronic communication when ever they want.
lickwidghost
Sure the information is openly available, and good on you for making the effort to learn. But no one reads that. Most probably dont even 1)
lickwidghost
Know where to find that info. Because of this guy, more people know. Not just 'enemies' but the people now know something they never 2)
spaceystacey
I am torn on this subject. Mad respect but maybe he went too far? Idk all the details, but he released a lot of info.
AeroEngineer
That's the problem. Revealing the snooping program was good, but he released so much more than just that, which did real damage.
thetonestarr
That's why I can't call him a hero. He directly put untold lives at risk, all for the sake of privacy. Great intentions. Fucked up approach.
aFadingMemory
Serious question. What real damage was done?
EnigmaRequiem
IIRC he released military orders that could have put US troop lives at risk, but it's been years since I last heard about him.
thetonestarr
Former Military Intel professional here: ANYBODY that's fighting against US (like ISIS) now knows exactly how to avoid being collected on
SaintMaceToTheFace
Mainly our field agents and the processes they use to remain undetected
blackbirdlore
He outed a lot of methods, procedures, and orders that tell our enemies how we conduct ourselves meaning they can circumvent or counter them
FeelMoreLikeIdoRightNowThanIdidAwhileAgo
Especially when those "enemies" are US Domestic Citizens being spyed upon by their own govt.
TheEarthIsFlat
What we learned about how our government operates was important but the lives of American servicemen were put in danger.
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Parenthephobia
You got a source for that?
JPre35
there is a lot of shit the government does the general public does not need to know..what he released is on the border, but i think
JPre35
if everyone with a high level clearance released everything they knew, there would be mass panic or hysteria..
yepthatsmyusername
Found Hillary's imgur account.
JPre35
huh? i mean she prolly does have a bigger dick than me..but clueless to your reference
tr3buchet
Contrarywise the public should know everything the government does. Otherwise it can do whatever it wants and call it "classified".
Glumerlink
but the problem with that is simply if our public knows the methods we use to go after terrorist groups, so do the terrorist groups
tr3buchet
And not enough of us are affected by terrorism for that to matter. More people die from lightning strikes.
JPre35
isnt it contrariwise? but you really think average joe with average intelligence should know everything the government does?
JPre35
but ill still give +1 for the word..never hear it used
horrocj1
John Oliver does an amazing segment on Snowden. But I'm too lazy to post the YouTube link.
OptimusToaster
so am i
SirFuckStick
They can see my dick pics........
Greekgeek1980
John Oliver is a treasure to the world!
FatBoobsDontCount
you are too
GuardsmanMiku
eh, he's really funny but he can be pretty bias sometimes. His anti-Brexit video was atrocious, and I voted in!
TheCamelCreep
seriously, its awesome https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEVlyP4_11M
SugarOrbs
Thank you for the link--that was funny and horrifying.
TheCamelCreep
I recommend watching Citizen Four, also. Its on HBO
javer80
Maybe just me, but I feel like he could have done more with the interview, you know? Yes, you're a comedian, but that's a momentous chance!
ObamasBigBlackCaucus
He could have. But Last Week Tonight isn't Frontline. If he can point out the humor and get people talking he's done his job.
derkderk2010
In the middle of the interview it does get pretty intense and John does ask the hard questions
berrrrrry
He got him to admit for the first time (I think?) that he never actually reviewed a good portion of what he released.
Glumerlink
kinda
Iamnotacreativeman
un pop puffin: IMHO Snowden is at the wrong when he whistle blowed . He was under contract w/ the NSA which includes keeping secrets, etc.
shadowbanmeagain
The NSA was under contract with the American people to follow the Constitution.
Mithi
Bullshit reasoning. There is no moral obligation to keep secrets for immoral people. And without such a law is void.
Iamnotacreativeman
Everyone can keep reposting his quotes all you want. But he executed this shit poorly.
tr3buchet
I bet he was scared out of his mind. Try making well thought out decisions in such gun to your head circumstances.
Iamnotacreativeman
What i'm getting at, is that the gov. have the right to prosecute him for whistleblowing, moral aside. No amount of soc. media can save him
tr3buchet
Government has the right to do whatever it wants. That's the whole point.
ourari
Snowden agrees that he should be tried. He just wants to be able to mount a public interest defense which isn't possible under Espionage Act
Iamnotacreativeman
Not disputing if he was morally right. However he could've executed it a little bit better. Eg; seed it to a reliable journalist.
billn727
Edward Snowden is a loser and a coward
perry147
This is Edward Snowden not Donald Trump. You might need glasses.
MNDchairman
Freaking does
Chernoshka
On one hand, he did blow the whistle on NSA, but on the other hand, he revealed a lot more than necessary...
Pullout69
That's gotta be the most dumb thing I've read all month.
o11c
I have yet to see a *single* thing that he revealed that actually caused harm, without using the word "maybe" or "might" or "possibly".
Drenlin
He took a lot more than what has been released so far. They're not going to disclose classified info to the public just to prove a point.
DukeOfChutney608
the public deserves to fucking know this shit. gov works for us. not the other way around.
Acornlad
Ehhhhhhhhhhh. I work in government, stuff is secret for a reason. If things are released to the public, its released to our enemies.
Relicanth
really? because Europe is pissed at the level of spying the NSA did that they found out. The relationships are damaged/strained between us.
o11c
Touché, but that's not what I meant, I meant *actual* harm, not political embarassment. That said, much of Europe's outrage is faked.
Relicanth
Fair. I don't think anybody died as a result (no spy names leaked), but just the domestic stuff would have been better to leak if he had to.
BlueLungs
I have a friend who claims, "ISIS now knows how we spy on them." Even if they did, I doubt they constructed ways to avoid it on a cyber (1/2
Glumerlink
http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702304347904579310813434692676 a short write-up you'll never see the exact details of the damage
o11c
All I see is "could", "likely", etc. (and the "damaged relations" exception mentioned by @Relicanth earlier)
Glumerlink
they can't actually release details about it because it would verify that what was released actually was their real strategies
tr3buchet
The us military kills way more people than is necessary. Why the double standard? Smart bombs don't only kill the bad guys..
BooksandBiceps
Welcome to war. Real life isn't a video game.
tr3buchet
Yep!
EmileLewis
It shouldn't be okay if ANYONE does it
tr3buchet
Agree! But if you do something all the time and later someone comes along and does it to you, you can't get all bent out of shape about it
EmileLewis
Given that I'm both anti-war and a Snowden critic, I tend to not think that the 'tu qouque' argument holds any water here
tr3buchet
That's definitely true. Two wrongs don't make a right.
tr3buchet
I guess my point was it should be held against both, or neither, not to say it was ok since they do it (tu quoque)
snet328
I do not support what he did. Terrorist emails were being monitored before they found out about it and fell off the radar thanks to him.
snet328
I think his intention was noble, but being able to pin anything you want on anybody is pretty paranoid and not very realistic if practiced.
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snet328
PhiLOLsophical
wellju
Erm, no.
derkderk2010
He had good intent but also did not review everything he was releasing. It's good that he revealed the domestic spying program though
Relicanth
Did you not know about it before? What did you think the patriot act was doing?
snet328
I think that was probably his chief aim, but it's very likely a dramatization that some nerd is watching your wife undress on webcam.
derkderk2010
I completely agree. I seriously doubt the NSA gives a flying fuck about the day to day of an average joe
ourari
The reviewing part is the responsibility of the journalists he gave it to (Poitras, Greenwald, Gellman, a.o.). They verify before publishing
derkderk2010
Yeah but let's be honest, the media/journalists/news agencies leak about as much as the Titanic
ourari
In general, sure. But these people've taken extreme measures to keep the cache private. Bruce Schneier, Micah Lee, etc. helped them w/ tech.
ourari
And yes, they do consult intelligence agencies, etc. to see what information is too damaging to publish unredacted.