Why the Stormcloaks rebellion hurts Skyrim

Nov 25, 2016 4:08 AM

TheLordCommander

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So I saw a post about how the Empire is corrupt and I would just like to make my counter argument.

Now I'm not saying the Empire is without fault, there is a lot of stagnation and bureaucracy in the Cyrodilic Government, but that still doesn't justify an violent, childish movement, fuelled by racism and let by a power hungry fool.

Well to get to the heart of the story, you have to go back to the beginning.

4E 168, Titus Mede II rises to the throne of a crippled empire, as Cyrodil recovers from the Oblivion crisis the Thalmor take Valenwood and Elsweyr. Black Marsh had left the empire with the events of the Oblivion Crisis and Morrowind had never truly recovered from its conflict. Titus Mede barely had time to get comfortable when the Thalmor came knocking, when the emperor refuse their ultimatum they gifted him a cart filled with the head of every Blades agent from Summerset and Valenwood.

The Great War

And so began The Great War, a massive clash between the might of The Empire and the Aldmeri Dominion. Try as they may The Empire was no match, the Dominion quickly took they southern coast line of Hammerfell as the rest of their forces attacked Cyrodil. The Empire won a number of victories, and for every defeat they made the Dominion bleed, so the Thalmor called for a treaty.

Some call Titus Mede II a coward, who surrendered to the Thalmor, a man who gave in when the Empire needed him. But when that ambassador sent that ultimatum he defied, and when he was presented the heads of countless Blades agents he prepared for war. The battles that raged for the next four years were bloody, and both sides saw countless casualties. Eventually the Aldmeri Dominion brokered peace from a position of power, allowing them to ban Talos Worship and insert themselves into imperial politics.

The Markarth Incident

During the conflict of the Great War the Reachmen took Markarth. In exchange for being able to worship Talos, Ulfric was asked to remove the invaders from the city. With Ulfric at it's head the militia took the city, staging a number of executions, and torturing the civilians for information when they went underground. The imperials knew that the Thalmor would not overlook the breach of the treaty but they let Ulfric worship his god. When the Thalmor pressed them, they imprisoned him.

The rise of a Rebel

During the war Ulfric fought along side soldiers such as Galmar Stone-fist and Legate Rikke, he was captured during the conflict and tortured. After Elenwen learned he was the son of a jarl he was fed information that he was crucial to the capture of the imperial city before 'escaping'. After the Markarth incident and his father's death during his incarceration he took the seat of jarl. Fanned the flame of hatred toward the Empire and the Thalmor, creating what came to be known as the Stormcloak Rebellion.

The Death of a King

In order to prove that the Empire was weak Ulfric challenged the high king to single combat, if he refused Ulfric point was proven, if he accepted the high king would have to fight a tested veteran with training in the Thu'um that was his senior by many years.

What I hate most isn't the rebellion itself but Ulfric, he was selfish putting his own desires above the Empire and calling the traitors when the disagreed. If he had faith in the Empire instead of trying to cut his own path in blood then the Empire could have regained strength to fight back. Searching around the Blue Palace you learn that Torygg looked up to him, he would have joined Ulfric if he had only asked. The Thalmor knew that Ulfric would cause strife, they knew that as long as the conflict continued that the empire was weakened. Sneaking into the Thalmor embassy, you'll find that the Thalmor refer to the war as "First War with the Empire". They are already planning their next attack and the only thing that the rebellion does is make it easier for them.

FP edit: Just hoping to beat that Stormcloak supporter on FP, remember attack the argument not the person arguing.

Sky's rim belongs to the nords!

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

>played high elf >heavy armour and Warhammer >join stormcloaks >murder thalmor >kek

9 years ago | Likes 14 Dislikes 2

Fus the Stormcloaks, Ro the Imperials and Dah the Thalmor

9 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 1

Thalmor lies all of it. Skyrim belongs to the Nords

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

SKYRIM BELONGS TO THE NORDS!

9 years ago | Likes 14 Dislikes 5

I side with the imperials because their emblem is on the cover of the game and it looks cool

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Ulfric definitely could have used a different approach to instead rally Skyrim to help the empire recover, and tell the Thalmor to f off.

9 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

There is EVIDENCE that the Thalmor, a foreign agency, tried to interfere in Skyrims affairs and they consider Ulfric Stormcloak an asset!

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Every game I beat up those silly Roman Empire wannabes

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Skyrim is for the Nords.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Titus Mede is hardly a weak man... just tired, so very tired. He faced death Honourably. That is, if you side with the Brotherhood. I didn't

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Side with? Doesn't it just mean you didn't do the quest? It is canon for the DB to kill the emperor, right?

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Not if you kill the Dark Brotherhood.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Stormcloaks are here so the elves can weaken the empire even more on the good side there will be at least 1 country free from elves

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

TBH I'm the boss vampire in all of Skyrim with my own freaking castle. I'm the head of the DB and TG. What soldiers do to amuse themselves..

9 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 2

Doesn't really rate a mention. Theyre all cattle or contracts.

9 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 1

Honestly, one of the coolest things (to me) about the Elder Scrolls games is that they don't shy away from a complex narrative.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Hell, in Morrowind, Dagoth Ur was even a complex guy, and not clearly "more evil" than the Tribunal. Just kinda gone off the deep end.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

There is usually some larger "evil", but the different in-game factions almost always have their own arguments and beliefs.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

i dont think the stormcloaks or the empire are the good guys, but i do think the dominion are the bad guys

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

The Thalmor are egotistical scum, and my vast, burning hatred for them forces me to side against anyone that submits to them.

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 2

But if Skyrim united with the Empire and strengthened them, they could kill Thalmor more efficiently.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Because fuck the Thalmor... Assholes

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Ulfric was a man of honor, the... Nord version of honor, which involves a lot more bloodshed than our notion of honor. The fact that he 1/2

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

was told, by law what he could and could not worship was a personal insult to the VERY individualistic Nords, and as such deserves to 1½/2

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

be challenged, to not do so, is cowardly. He followed his path (whether it lead to him as highking or dead, is up to the player.) 2/2

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

His cause may have been true but he wasn't, he took the violent option when he could have done thing peacefully. He only weakened Skyrim.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Again, the honorable option by his culture and time.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

There is no honor in killing Torygg, especially when he was ready and willing to join his cause.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I just thought that the main point of the rebels was that they wanted to worship Talos, who founded the Empire and all that.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Yeah but given time, the Empire could have thrown of the yoke place on them by the Dominion and brought back Talos Worship.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Meh, when you hear some of them talk about the battles in Skyrim, sounds like the Empire was surrendering to their use of magic.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

The Thalmor had been planning the war for years in secret and the Empire was still crippled by the Oblivion Crisis. 1/2

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Titus Mede's advisors told him to sign the original contract because the never stood a chance but he would rather fight than just give up 2/

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

the rights of his citizens. He only signed the Concordat because it meant the safety of the Empire, he was going to attack as soon he could.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

THANK YOU!!!!!!!!! Motherfucking Storm cloak scum can't see that they're being fools

9 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 5

Remember you argue an idea, never insult the person.

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Skyrim belongs to the Nords, imperial dog.

9 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 6

My Sword arm is getting flabby, been a while since l've killed a storm cloak.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Where do you think the Enpire come from?

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

Typical Nordist supremecist, doesn't even know the history of his own land.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Ulfric is a prick but the stormcloacks are at least willing to fight against the thalmor which is inevitable as they seek to end the empire.

9 years ago | Likes 26 Dislikes 6

Spoiler alert for the dark brotherhood quests ahead. Replying here so it is seen before said spoiler.

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

You must be that person who tries to kill everyone on the other team by yourself right?

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I don't try I succeed.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 3

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9 years ago (deleted Nov 26, 2016 12:17 AM) | Likes 0 Dislikes 0

Oh boy political debate about a fictional universe? ?noredirect

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 2

Even when you're about to kill Titus Mede he's not afraid. He only ever cared about the safety of the empire, including skyrim.

9 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

The Empire was on the verge of destruction, if they hadn't signed the treaty then the Thalmor would have taken all of Tamriel.

9 years ago | Likes 15 Dislikes 0

They weren't planning on just lying down, they need time to regroup and make battle plan.

9 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 0

Strategy, look it up

9 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

You'd rather them and their families be slaughtered over pride rather than wait to regain strength for the inevitable next war?

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

The white-gold concordat wasn't signed merely out of self preservation, they wanted to use the time to regain strength for the next war.

9 years ago | Likes 17 Dislikes 0

It doesnt matter if you side with the Stormcloaks or Empire, The lore will circumvent the civil war in the next game anyways (1/2)

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

(2/2) Personally i side with the Stormcloaks, Because i refuse to bow to the thalmor or any law they pass.

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

Honestly, what pissed me off about Skyrim is- why did we play AFTER Tamriel's version of a world war instead of IN it?

9 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 2

Because, even if you side with the Stormcloaks, there's a chance the empire could reunify. As such, future games could have the same intact

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

history, regardless of individual playthroughs.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Because the engine sucks for mass battles. Even the 'civil war' felt like dealing with a few bandits, not an actual... war.

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

I'm inclined to disagree, whilst a big war would bave been fun the civil war has more depth. There aren't bad guys just opposite ideology.

9 years ago | Likes 18 Dislikes 0

and the only thing resolving it did was change a few NPCs in charge of about half the cities. 2/2

9 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 3

And throw them all in the pit of the Blue Palace! Imperial dogs.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

"More Depth?" It was a barely fleshed out sideline. The closest you got to any major battle or any major effect was about 12 on 12, 1/2

9 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 4

Well that was more likely due to geaphical limitations but there is depth if you look. TES games have always have depth if you just look.

9 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Eh. We were given the depth of a kiddie pool, when we were hoping for a swimming pool. There was -so- much more they could've done.

9 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 5

i felt the same during my first 2 play through's until i stopped to smell the roses and immersed myself in the game, however i agree the

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Doesn't tulius rant at Ulfric about how they were going to unite to fight the AD, but Ulfric was just like nuh uh your dumb, Nords r to cool

9 years ago | Likes 115 Dislikes 1

Yeah, Ulfric may have started out alright but he got blinded by his own ego and political goals.

9 years ago | Likes 45 Dislikes 1

Torygg didn't even seem that bad; he reaches Sovngarde, and when there, dialogue suggests he knew he'd die to Ulfric, but did so as a Nord.

9 years ago | Likes 18 Dislikes 0

Torygg was honorable, so was Ulfric, he too goes to Sovngarde if/when he dies.

9 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 1

I notice that, but Ulfric was also misguided; he was doing exactly what the Thalmor wanted.

9 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 0

Yeah, reading the Thalmor dossier you learn that the Thalmor basically predicted this would happen after his release.

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Plus Ulfric attacks my lovely Whiterun and disposes the Jarl there, who only wants the best for his people, and helps fight the dragons

9 years ago | Likes 14 Dislikes 0

You don't think Balgruff is kind of a wuss? He talks game but then bows and shuffles around the empire

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 14

He literally allows a dragon to attack his home and helps you capture it personally. He's far from it.

9 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 0

There's also some heavy implication he was in it more for money, but it's honestly a bit shaky.

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 2

When the steward mentions the 'chest of gold'? I'm pretty sure that desicion was made without his input?

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

But the chest of gold didn't hurt

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

I think he sees there is no reason to cause a fight if it is not needed, and he sees the merit. Plus Alduin was the bigger picture

9 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

No I mean literally in his dialogue he whimpers around the legion if you let them protect the city

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 5

I think it was more reluctance than acquiescence.

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

i hate that motherfucker. the scene where you have a peace thingy in high hrothgar made me hate ulfric so much. what a prick.

9 years ago | Likes 29 Dislikes 2

The best thing to do at the peace conference is transform into vampire lord form. Shit goes down in comical fashion .

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

Ever since I figured out I could, I have always fought the civil war and lopped his head off.

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Right? Like nevermind that extinct race of dragons came back to life, let's argue over who gets what sawmill. And how big Nordic dicks are.

9 years ago | Likes 15 Dislikes 0

Besides, I'm Biased for Tullius because of Fallout: New Vegas and Battlestar Galactica.

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Mass effect 2&3

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Was he a badass in them?

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

First game was Stormcloak. This is why I'm an imperial every time since.

9 years ago | Likes 46 Dislikes 3

The Empire is the lesser of two evils.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 3

I'm the same. I was pissed at that bitch who wants to behead me just to "save time," with no evidence I was a criminal. I still kill her

9 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 1

first every game.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

so you basically fucking murderer and fucking complain about injustice. too bad there is no imperial justice in skyrim.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

It's always important to see things from all perspectives, that way you don't get blinded by your own ideologies.

9 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 1

Well, honestly, it's not important at all ;)

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 12

Man... I mean it's a video game so it's not important... geez. sensitive neck beards ;)

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 3

This

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 10

I couldn't play a Stormcloak run beyond the point where it's clear that you can't sway Balgruuf and have to betray him to gain Whiterun.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Not betrayal. That's war. The dude finally opposed Ulfric and he showed up at his gates with an army. It's wasn't like you back stabbed him

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 2

Not betrayal. That's war. The dude finally opposed Ulfric and he showed up at his gates with an army. It's wasn't like you back stabbed him

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 2

Not betrayal. That's war. The dude finally opposed Ulfric and he showed up at his gates with an army. It's wasn't like you back stabbed him

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

Not betrayal. That's war. The dude finally opposed Ulfric and he showed up at his gates with an army. It's wasn't like you back stabbed him

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 2

Not betrayal. That's war. The dude finally opposed Ulfric and he showed up at his gates with an army. It's wasn't like you back stabbed him

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 2

Dude. Take it easy on the post button.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

It bugged out. Fuck whoever downvoted each one.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

Not betrayal. That's war. The dude finally opposed Ulfric and he showed up at his gates with an army. It's wasn't like you back stabbed him

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 2

ave, true to Caesar, wait...

9 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 1

Et tu Brutus?

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

*Brute, it's in the vocative you philistine

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Et Tumor, Brute?

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

That quest was poorly placed. The wasteland already hates you by this point, so why bother killing him?

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

So they would know about the effort you went thru just to kill him in his most vulnerable moment

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I've killed him strategically, but not on purpose. Does everyone forgive you?

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Mostly my beef with the imperials when playing Skyrim is they tried to behead me. As first impressions go... not a great one.

9 years ago | Likes 26 Dislikes 1

For me it was "Meh, the Empire is always at least imprisoning me in the beginning of an ES game. We have a spat, we make amends."

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

It's hard to get over that

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

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9 years ago (deleted Dec 21, 2017 8:50 PM) | Likes 0 Dislikes 0

Yup. The question of your fate that was presented to her means execution was not regular policy, and every other imperial probably didn't(1)

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

know who was and was not supposed to be on that list: They trusted their comrades or their subordinates were doing their job. (2/2)

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

#notallimperials?

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I'm upvoting you to make up for your downvotes on attempted OC.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I mean if you got caught trying to cross the Syrian border by a group of people trying to kill the head of ISIS or something, well...

9 years ago | Likes 15 Dislikes 1

That doesn't mean that they should summarily execute someone though! WTF?!

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

I still wouldn't be fond of the folks that captured me.

9 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 0

Yeah, that the Empire is not short on faults but when yoh span half a continent sometimes you make hard choices.

9 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

This is why I always kill the bitch, then join the imperials.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Say I am Ulfric. Why would I want my region to remain inside the empire when it has banned my religion? I would be furious.

9 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 1

Because the alternative is to be enslaved and/or murdered by a force several times more powerful and organized than your own. That is worse.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 2

It does not matter that the Empire was forced to do it, they are still to blame. I'd rather emerge as my own state and keep my fate.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 2

Because you aren't shortsighted and you see the strength a unified empire can amass to fight the Thalmor later, thus protecting your... 1/2

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

...home and beliefs for a much longer period of time. 2/2

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Never has there been a better time to gain independence. You think the empire will just hand it over once the Thalmor are gone?

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I think the Thalmor are looking to divide and conquer. Do you think an independent Skyrim stands a better chance than Hammerfell? Elsweyr?

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Hammerfell barely won, the empire was backed into a corner despite being bigger than the Dominion. What hope does Skyrim have?

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 3

So they should submit to the lesser of two tyrants? Nah mate, Skyrim belongs to the Nords!

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 2

It's not like the Empire is planning to enslave all humankind for the Nords forever for the elves. If Skyrim helps the Empire they can fight

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

A Skyrim that's just been wrecked by a civil war, no less.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Well, the dragonborn. At least, my dragonborn could be this hope.

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

The dragonborn can be surrounded by a 100 dudes and die. He isn't an immortal invincible warrior. Just a guy who can learn the shouts.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

Even actual dragons can be outnumbered.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

This is why I don't side with either faction, but I never leave a Thalmor outside of a city, alive.

9 years ago | Likes 329 Dislikes 0

Literally stated in the Thalmor Embassy that that's exactly want they want, rather side winning would be bad for them (cuz Skyrim = United)

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

Literally stated in the Thalmor Embassy that that's exactly want they want, rather side winning would be bad for them (cuz Skyrim = United)

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Best option is to have the peace council on high hrothgar, for both factions sake.

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

That option only lasts until Alduin is defeated

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Fun fact, you can kill them in front of city guards and the Jarl in a keep and the game doesn't count it as murder.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Death to the THALMOR!!!

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

I'm a crazy uber murderer outside of every city lol

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I only kill contracts and bad guys :)

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

I loved the dark brotherhood quest line, felt so cool. The vampires and the wedding murder were my personal favourites

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Raiding the "ship" was fun too.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

Yes the wedding murder was lots of fun, even though I did the vanilla stealth archery snipe. I didn't even get a bounty on that one.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

It's too bad you miss out on a lot of quests and story if you stay neutral. Would be cool if they had a third questline for neutral players.

9 years ago | Likes 29 Dislikes 1

Or if "high king of Skyrim" made its way into the actual game.

9 years ago | Likes 16 Dislikes 1

Smoke enough weed....

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 2

Unfortunately....

9 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 1

Yeah, the real enemy is the Thalmor no matter what side you're on.

9 years ago | Likes 161 Dislikes 0

GLORY TO THE DOMINION

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

@OP do you have a link to the other post about the stormcloaks?

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

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9 years ago (deleted Oct 21, 2024 11:33 PM) | Likes 0 Dislikes 0

Thank you!

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Hell, even the Adlmeri Dominion is really just an army for the Thalmor; they're the real political heads of state.

9 years ago | Likes 39 Dislikes 0

I think it's more like the Thalmor are a politicap party of the Aldmeri Dominion. Like the Nazi party for Germany.

9 years ago | Likes 29 Dislikes 0

Historically their foreign policy is isolationism. If it weren't for the Thalmor they'd likely gain their independence after the oblivion

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

crisis and then keep to themselves

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Mmm. What's worse, there's implications in the Lore that should they dominate Tamriel, they'll end up destroying Nirn.

9 years ago | Likes 18 Dislikes 0

but y can't you take the fight to the thalmor instead?

9 years ago | Likes 13 Dislikes 1

Maybe in the next game.

9 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

Because that would have been much cooler than a civil war.

9 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 0

This. So much this. I would love to take the charge of the Empire leader, unite with stormcloaks and march to kill every last one em

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Is there a mod for it ?

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

There's one for xbox, it rebuilds helgen and lets you work your way up to leader of helgen. In it's description it says you can become 1?

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

I dont think so... But would be really nice

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