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ScotlandSaysFuckYouLongshanks
Ironically, the music for this video was pirated
Sirsir94
...yes i would. Free cars
WilliamKeith
But they make cars to sell. If everyone did this noone would make cars except as free hobbyist builds, for which you get your money's worth.
NOINOON
They both are good in flawed logic. They should get married.
Brickthedummydog
BUT I WOULD TOTALLY DOWNLOAD ONE IF I COULD
crazyatblay
https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/prometheus.png
dinosaurakadinosaur
That is so dumb, u dont steal a game vor movie but u steal the profit for being a not paying consument. Who is that dumb seriously
PCMASTERRACE6969
Some people who pirate wouldn't have purchased it if they couldn't pirate it, and some people who pirate are trying the product and 1/2
PCMASTERRACE6969
will later buy it if it's good, and wouldn't have ever bought it if they couldn't test it by pirating
JamesIsABitch
You wouldn't steal this comment.
GuW69
You wouldn't steal this comment.
JayPumpkinCat
COMMENT THEFT IS NOT A VICTIMLESS CRIME!
Justiceforbradswife
Yeah COMMENT THEFT IS NOT A VICTIMLESS CRIME!
TongueTiedLabourerfromtheLandoftheLittlePeople
Guys, someday making original content may be the only job people can get
Enohpoxas
An ironic thing about the original commercial, I'd that the music they used was illegally downloaded and used.
theyar
sauce
Enohpoxas
Here: http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2013/01/29/3678851.htm the guy is apparently suing for about $1.3 mil.
napgiver
https://torrentfreak.com/sorry-the-you-wouldnt-steal-a-car-anti-piracy-ad-wasnt-pirated-170625/
Zenzui
Sure, you devote your life to your craft for years and then everybody makes copies of your work while you live on potnoodles. Great system.
rocketturttle
can you name an example of this? a popular, frequently downloaded musician who is poor?
Greyganado
Is this a unix joke?
justahumanonline
reads, *you wouldn't steal this post* "Oh yea? WITNESS MEEEEEEEE!" - imgurians everywhere.
Sfinski
Keep theirs and get paid for the car you got?
Theinternetwasinventedforveryimportantscience
You wouldn't download the opensource schematics of a car and then print one at home on your metal 3D printer would you? Oh you would?
Kreia
actually the owner of the individual car has shared it for anyone to copy so that we all can benefit from safer and smoother travel
Kreia
but some ass who claims to own the idea of the car puts the owner in jail even though the cars engineer has been dead for 50 years
BustedTuna
And then all the people who design and make cars lose their jobs. Brilliant.
Kreia
but research shows that people that copy cars also buys more cars and that companies that gets copied alot sell more. the math doesnt add up
BustedTuna
Popular cars are likely to be stolen more and bought more. Doesn't mean they aren't losing out on sales.
WilliamHuskerAdama
Except studies show they aren't actually losing out on sales
NotWelcomehere
Well at the point that we can literally COPY CARS, we're a post scarcity post money situation would be my guess..since we can all have w/e.
PigMarshBetweenTwoSaltWaters
Not to mention that the majority of people who copy cars would not have bought the car anyway, so they aren't actually losing out on money.
BustedTuna
You say that, but you can't prove it. At the end of the day, people are benefiting from the work of others without paying.
thenewteddy
I'd do it even if the owner lost it. If I could just click a button and steal a car, I'd fuckin do it and so would you.
insaneillegalzombie
Didn't this anti piracy ad use pirated music?
drewcrosby
Dingus2
Janeway - thug life - in space
colombocock
imgur.com/4awZR3n.jpg
GifIsPronouncedJif
JumpedtheGun
I assume they aren't, but the parts look like they're made of wood. Would be shitty to wreck a wooden car. Splinters...splinters everywhere.
ctennessen
It's called a mold. To mold he shape of the body on.
WilsonWatchedMeMasturbate
Used to be a car/ car company named Morgan that had wooden frames
incumbustable
The hamster's favorite car company.
SpoonLoeffel
What you mean used to? They are still in business as far as I am aware.
WilsonWatchedMeMasturbate
Oh I didn't know they were still around my bad
kkneo234
This is one of those powers id pick if I had the choice. I've literally thought about it for years
HalTheMisinterpretivePornStar
You wouldn't download a bear!
darastryx
Bitch I might.
GuW69
Hell yes I would!
rocketturttle
rezpawner
We should make one for Hollywood. "You wouldn't scam the government out of money with 'creative' acounting!"
computerphile
That same creative accounting screws the actors out of their royalties too.. Who honestly believe that Return of Jedi still haven't made $?
TheTastiestTampon
I mean, isn't that exactly one of the reasons GTA has been popular for 20 years?
Fuzzygumdrop
I used GTA to practice my parallel, down hill and uphill parks since I didn't have someone to help me practice before my test..i passed lol
Unbentsuperpyro
Yeah. Till the Devs change the code.
Randomman96
Well, it was popular until the publisher decided to fuck up and say "no modding allowed anymore".
CirclejerqueDuSoleil
I thought Rockstar said they like modders (as long as they're not cheating in Online)
IcarusWithALaserBeam
Rockstar might've said that, Take 2 didn't though.
5D85DA
Just saying... https://imgur.com/4FmoVy9.png
Goronhead
Wow, that is... that doesn't look good.
kaboosh5353
Pretty sure its still going to sell
penguin002
not for the singleplayer it won't!
kaboosh5353
Honestly, the amount of people who mod is a small percentage of all the people who buy it. Millions of console players dont even touch mods
penguin002
and those who don't mod it will generally already have it, mods are the number 1 cause of later sales of games, adding life to dead games.
Supernerdje
There's a reason console players don't usually mod.
BigFag
Have you been on pic recently. They had a crackdown on modders after the new update. 2 days later, I met 4 modders in 3 sessions
Randomman96
There is a difference between Modding and Cheating. Recommend you learn it before commenting.
BillyMaysHereWithOxiClean
I'm someone who knows the difference, but there's still modders on PC after the update.
HowtoDavid
The cheaters in gta online are often called modders
PrincessDonaldTrumpBANNED
My daughter used to watch me play. She forced me to be a law abiding citizen. No car stealing, no speeding, couldn't even carry guns
CarlosOfNightvale
There's a series on Polygon's YouTube channel called "Law Abiding Citizen" just like that
IusedtobeapervertIstillambutIusedtobetoo
My niece is a 9 year old car-stealing psychopath in GTA V.
ReLuisthebeast
*laughs in american*
kah929
My gf tried playing it. It concerned me at how much fun she was having killing people
somenerandom
I've actually tried that once or twice for kicks, but there was always some idiot AI driver that bumped into me, so I had to kill him.
Korruptio
In GTA V, trying to drive normally just gets you the same angry "fuck you"s from the AI drivers as driving max speed on their lane
Enoan
The AI can't drive. Also, there's an intersection with like a 8 minute light cycle. They will lose patience and run it.
Ioffersex
Lmao yea sounds about right
ThatGuyWhoThinksEveryoneIsAPineapple
Did you stop at the traffic lights too? :P
PrincessDonaldTrumpBANNED
Yup. It was actually kind of fun.
WorkerLurker
Reminds me of the king of the hill episode with Pro-pain!
Eragonder
Play sa-mp roleplay. Police will put you in jail if u do something against thr law
lLikeTurtles
How many missions did you do?
PrincessDonaldTrumpBANNED
None. Not with her watching
SentientRaisen
I convinced my roommate that there were turn signals and he spent the next thirty minutes trying different combinations to get them to work.
FrozenFoodGuy
I... i spend 30 minutes trying to figure that out too... i saw other cars use them, so i figured i should be able to do so too...
shortstop23
There are (were now I guess) mods that add turn signals, seat belts and door locks. MoreControl is one.
PrincessDonaldTrumpBANNED
Exactly how bad is the mod nerf?
shortstop23
To be determined. The issue is OpenIV got a cease and desist, and most mods rely on it to function.
wyatt8740
I've never played GTA5; there's a mod nerf!?
rocketturttle
I'll stop violating copyright law when Hollywood stops bribing congressmen to keep extending copyrights.
jimmyriba
That's Disney, not Hollywood. US copyright length is pretty much [current year - age of Mickey Mouse].
rocketturttle
you don't consider disney part of hollywood? Weird. I thought their headquarters were in burbank.
jimmyriba
The copyright problem is specifically because of Disney, not the rest of Hollywood (and crazy that one company gets to hold the law hostage)
Stratego89
This fucking post is my exact point. THIS is why it is still theft. Just because it is EASY doesn't mean it's not fucking theft. You're just
Stratego89
not stealing a physical, traceable item that you have to risk yourself for. You are stealing the profit from the creator. If a person makes
Stratego89
ANYTHING physical you'll pay for it but if it's digital it's suddenly not theft? It's a load of absolute BS. Someone made that just the same
Stratego89
as someone makes any other physical good.
Millillion
I think it needs to be separated from theft, but also do agree that it's wrong.
Stratego89
It already is separated from theft. It's not "theft" under the law/in courts. It's "piracy". Because there are technical differences in it.
tablecat
Yeah, basically that. I pirate a lot, but I don't try to justify it in bullshit ways like OP does. I'm just cheap and it's easy.
Stratego89
And the thing is- with some things I really don't think it's pirating. EG if an image is posted online by someone on an account, they should
anomalyraven
There wouldn't be any car in the first place if that worked. Who'd wanna work and produce if you can just steal whatever you want?
LOLOLOOLOL
If your statement was logical there would be no musicians/artists.
Dispari
The music industry has been saying that exact thing for 40 years, and it's never been true.
fairybug
People who want a better car than the shitty clone everyone's been driving around for years, maybe?
7562d1b7c8
Isn't this the same argument people made about Wikipedia? Who would invest the time and effort if they didn't get paid?...
Chols
Because I can enjoy a live show featuring my favorite car
Azerai
But if you copy cars easy as, would they need to be made? Besides, infinite metal!
mineisanevillaugh
The metaphor's not strong enough, Captain! She's falling apart!
anomalyraven
There would still be someone making the original and I doubt they'd be willingly miss the opportunity to make money of it.
anomalyraven
But who am I to preach? I download music and movies on a regular basis!
Sfinski
yes, how'd you copy something that wouldn't exist?
TheWaziir
Such a crap argument. The people making the stuff that gets pirated make it because they expect payment so they can feed themselves.
ItWasCool
A better analogy is if a car dealer shit was selling cars and you took a copy of their car instead of paying for it, but they still had it.
theyar
Sure but depriving someone of their expectation still isn't the same as depriving them of their property.
TheWaziir
So, making an exact copy of their property, and undermining their chance of making a living off of their work is not bad?
theyar
I'm pretty sure that's not what I said.
TheWaziir
That's exactly what you said. Take someone's IP, and you've opened the door for everyone else. An unavoidable consequence.
theyar
I said "not the same thing." It's not. I never said it was ok.
FalcorTheUrinator
I know it doesn't make it right, but I only pirate from big companies who make fuckloads anyways. I pay when it's someone who needs it.
rocketturttle
that whole "copyrights last 70 years after the death of the author" kinda flies in the face of feeding creators
JumpedtheGun
What's the point of that, exactly? For businesses? Dead guy doesn't exactly need a copyright. Passed down to family, maybe?
DarkUranium
Or the fact that creating backups is also piracy(at least in the US), all the while draconian DRM which wrecks your PC is totally legal(1/?)
DarkUranium
...and don't forget stupid shit like "1 copy=1 lost sale" fallacy. Apparently, Limewire caused more damage than the *world* GDP at the time.
OmgOptimized
I'm just waiting for spotify to start reporting revenue in "avoided loss of sale"
Cotcan
There's also companies like Disney that keep lobbing to extend their copyright claim on their stuff.
ArtArchive
That was designed to protect the family of the author, who might be relying on the copyright for income.
Qumefox
No. Copyright extensions are almost exclusively due to Disney. Look it up if you don't believe me. It's nothing but corporate greed.
ArtArchive
Certainly that has influenced it, but it was definitely originally intended to help widows and their families.
leodavinci1
You are talking about the "original" extension to the copyright act... which did that. All the subsequent extensions have been solely 1 of ?
ItsUncleSam
Because Disney is still a company making products. It's different when an author dies and someone makes a new book based on their characters
newyorknyc
We would not want to live in a country without IP laws.
kiwiflavored
Besides, there are worlds of possibility between no IP rights at all & current IP law that sends children to jail and indebts people for...
kiwiflavored
life for the terrible crime of copying a song.To someone who grew up in a time when everyone recorded mixtapes from the radio,this is insane
kiwiflavored
Industries with little to no legal IP protection, such as the fashion industry, make decent revenues too even tho their designs are "stolen"
TheWaziir
Piracy is theft, and if you bear with me I can explain why. The point is that creators are trying to make a living off of this
TheWaziir
So, someone writes a book. They release that book electronically hoping that people will buy, not pirate. Only, people pirate.
TheWaziir
Every pirated copy means that the creators have no control over how their work is distributed. Worse, they receive no compensation
TheWaziir
No compensation for the 100s of hours of work they put into their projects. Everyone has it for free, and the creator's dream job is lost.
TheWaziir
No one can do or make anything for free. If you allow someone to take something meant for sale, instead of buying it, you condone theft.
YouCantHaveMyHouse
Ah the classic argument. Every time something is pirated, it is -1 copy sold.
ItsUncleSam
I'm a sense yes, the company is losing out on a sale.
YouCantHaveMyHouse
It is ridiculous to think that everything that gets pirated would be bought if there was no chance to pirate it.
PizzaSlutForever
But I would download something, but I wouldn't go out and buy it. I just wouldn't have it.
somenerandom
Yes, because talented people in the movie/music/entertainment industry are poor as fuck. There is still a HUGE profit to be made,especially>
rollercostarican
it affects more than just the lead actors. Animators, editors, extras, etc if a movie has less of a budget, then it will higher less people
rollercostarican
hire*. So for lets say the sequel instead of employing 50 animators for 2 years, they only employ 30.thats 20 middle class ppl not working.
nothingfancyhere
Not really the point at all.
somenerandom
Normally, no. But the comment made it sound like it's just about money, which is what I'm discussing. The moral principle of the matter is >
somenerandom
a whole other thing.
somenerandom
considering pirated content either isn't as high quality as the original, or takes a long time to come out, or both. A lot of people still>
somenerandom
purchase originals, and there are great benefits for doing so. And the profit margins are still numbers that a regular person doesn't see>
somenerandom
in most, if not all, of their lifetime.
KingPugTato
However they put their time and money into rendering a good or service, and therefore should be paid recompense for its use if the demand so
xVancha
But it isn't a response to the point you put forward. It's a response to equating piracy with physical theft. Your point is more of a- 1/2
xVancha
2/2 -statement of fact than an argument for or against piracy, unless you falsely assume pirates would otherwise pay for what they download.
ThatSoundPeopleMakeWhenTheyStandUp
That's like when the RIAA tried to sue for 72 trillion dollars based on what it would have cost had they bought it. The world's GDP.
kiwiflavored
I don't think art would cease to exist in a moneyless and egalitarian society. Artists create art because they feel driven to do so, not...
jimmyriba
Artists still have to eat, pay rent, and raise a family. We don't live in a moneyless society, so when you don't pay, artists suffer.
kiwiflavored
I suggest you read the rest of my argument, which addresses your point.
ArtArchive
Are you a moron? Money is a huge factor in productivity. You'd still get some, but you wouldn't get nearly the same quantity nor quality.
kiwiflavored
Do yourself a favor and learn to make a point without resorting to insults. It doesn't add to your argument, it only takes away from it.
ArtArchive
You're right about that. I just get touchy when people seem to think that artists don't need money to create.
kiwiflavored
I agree that they do need money under the current system. And the ones who are popular enough to be pirated earn quite well too.
zackzoinks
As someone who works in the music industry I can tell you it absolutely has an effect on not just the super wealthy. Mid-level bands used 1/
zackzoinks
To be able to make a decent living from record sales and touring, but record sales are non-existent and it's created a culture where 2/
zackzoinks
Music is not valued. Streaming services are definitely the way of the future, but for now they don't pay enough. I have worked on 3/
zackzoinks
Music that has millions of streams on Spotify and the artist is no where near paying their bills with that. If they even recouped the 4/
kiwiflavored
just for the prospect of fame and wealth. Besides, you're ignoring that under the current system, artists who are popular enough to ...
kiwiflavored
have their work illegally reproduced (not stolen) are also popular enough to earn quite a bit of wealth and social status. There is no ...
kiwiflavored
research to support the claim that so-called pirates pay for media they can't illegally access. On the contrary.Studies show that pirates...
kiwiflavored
tend to be media enthusiasts who spend more money on media than the average person.