Very cool shot, but same with mirror shots I always think of the fact that the camera sees it right, but the person actually there in the scene is way off to the side
I'm no expert filmmaker, but this seems like a great use case for a teleprompter so the actor can get it right while looking straight into the camera (mirror)
Heath Ledger in The Dark Knight was very very good --but tbf, 2019's Joker made over a billion dollars -and was the first R-rated movie to do so. Joaquin Phoenix won the Oscar for Best Actor for that film
They were both great in the same way approached from different directions. Ledger's Joker knew he was flawed but embraced it, and tried to bring the world to his level. Phoenix's Joker knew he was flawed, tried to get out of it, but the world kept him there.
i really liked this idea - and i'm stoned and thought about it way too long - but without CGI (which the filmmaker is unlikely to do) how would you erase the lipstick mark backwards. like - it goes right to left. see what i mean? i might be stoned. nvm me.
mmmm no not necessarily. He directs the whole thing but a good director knows how to delegate tasks, accept ideas from his staff. And a shot like that could have easily been from the director of photography, which is the guy more specifically tasked with stuff like that.
segway topic : This is what Zack Snyder should be in a production; director of photography. He can make cool looking shots but needs to be kept in check and to stay far away from anything related to script/story/narrative
Depends on the director, some are real hands on with the cinematography others let their camera operator run wild. It takes a team to make a movie but the director often gets a lot of the credit or blame.
It's a collaborative effort. I'm sure something to that effect is in the script, the director explained what he wanted, writers storyboarded it out, and camera, props, and the like
I'm not a huge fan of the joker movie. But the costume screen test was amazing. Really wish they went with the tone of that instead of what we ended up getting.
I want to be excited about this movie but from the start something has felt off. I've seen a few comments saying it's pulling a Home Alone 2 & that looks like a good description, but that's not it. Maybe the first one was lightning in a bottle but I feel like this is one of those times to go in with lowered expectations. I just can't figure out why.
100% agree! Great craftsmanship by Joaqin; no amount of tape/blocking could've pulled that naturally without looking like you're navigating your head into place.
I could see another way around it. Because the woman and the glass is at points either blurry and/or out of shot they could just have Joaquin do the movement and smile, shoot a separate shot of her putting the makeup on the glass, and then layering one shot over the other.
If they block out the position based on the first take they could even put a very small line on the glass for her to follow with the makeup.
I'm pretty sure they most likely just shot the scene and used CGI to add the lipstick to fit. Would seem less time consuming to do it that way vs filming till it matches
I’d really love to believe that this was all done practically, but my cynicism makes me inclined to believe that it’s actually some well-executed CGI - like, that hand and lipstick smear could be composited in from a separate plate, or they could even be 100% CGI. But if it was all done practically, then goddamn that is a well-made shot and kudos to them!
Compositor here - While I don't know for sure, this was likely a "split screen". Not CG, but a combination of 2 practical plates that may have some slight retiming and transform adjustments to get them to line up just right.
That’s what I figured, at least for the hand but I thought that the lipstick smear itself was probably a CG element - that way it could be drawn to fit Phoenix’s eventual position, and the plate with her hand could be tracked in to follow that line.
Very likely a combo of things, yeah. A high profile trailer shot like this has probably been nitpicked and tweaked to hell and back in post. But the results are fantastic, it's a beautiful shot.
NGL, this movie fucking annoyed me because I didn't think the climax gave us a proper pay off for the build up, also Arthur Fleck was just fucking pathetic the entire time. He doesn't become the classic DC Joker we all know and love. I KNOW that in real life, most serial killers, terrorist, murderers are just pathetic losers (see BTK) but I don't want 100% realism in my fictional work.
DC have had one off stories with radically different takes on characters for fifty years at least. The mainline comic book version has changed pretty radically over the almost one hundred years of his existence. There is no singular interpretation of the"Joker". Not liking it is fine but pretending there is one TRUE JOKER is just asinine.
That would make more sense if they hadn't then introduced Harley Quinn in the next one. Kind of fucks with their "not THE Joker" thing. Maybe there's a clever plot device, but this feels like a sequel that shouldn't be made being done to cash in on the originals success and removing what made it unique.
Yeah but the larger theme of the society was one that lacked empathy and was full of greed and selfishness. If he had gotten help for his mental illness he could have still gone on his spree with just as much “justification”.
EricPisch
oh Taxi 3
geoffreyfourmyle
nicknacksnackpack
The72ndRaven
MutantTurd
Is this from the trailer for the new Joker movie coming out?
tzahtman
Yes
ToasterDent
It might be from the trailer for the trailer for the new Joker movie
Kakeukh
The preview of the reveal of the teaser for the pre-trailer? Cool, gonna check it out.
WhatTheFuckNuggets
Very cool shot, but same with mirror shots I always think of the fact that the camera sees it right, but the person actually there in the scene is way off to the side
jaysjunkymail11
I'm no expert filmmaker, but this seems like a great use case for a teleprompter so the actor can get it right while looking straight into the camera (mirror)
TicoMachi
I think what they were referring to was how, in universe, there isn't a character in position to see the smiles line up.
mistermixelpix
Which makes it even crazier that Phoenix nailed it!
MarsIsAfire
They're referring to Phoenix's scene partner.
blevins113
I said the same thing when I saw the trailer. Masterful shot executed perfectly. Imagine take like 37 though…
enterusernamehere25
Is this really going to be a musical?
Starbug1306
Bumbleflarts
Is that the new joker movie?t
PaleBlueHammer
They made another one? Godammit I miss Heath Leger
tombeithemist
Heath Ledger in The Dark Knight was very very good --but tbf, 2019's Joker made over a billion dollars -and was the first R-rated movie to do so. Joaquin Phoenix won the Oscar for Best Actor for that film
freakdiablo
They were both great in the same way approached from different directions. Ledger's Joker knew he was flawed but embraced it, and tried to bring the world to his level. Phoenix's Joker knew he was flawed, tried to get out of it, but the world kept him there.
Jewdakris
I bet it was filmed in reverse
KDeeNZ
Or, the clip is played in reverse
meagainstthem
i really liked this idea - and i'm stoned and thought about it way too long - but without CGI (which the filmmaker is unlikely to do) how would you erase the lipstick mark backwards. like - it goes right to left. see what i mean? i might be stoned. nvm me.
ChePollino
I am not sure how the Musical thing will turn out, but I am intirgued.
certainlynotaserialkiller
first time i saw him in gladiator, but his joker is oscar win quality. lets just hope the studio wont fuck this up.
DrankTooMuchMead
They usually rehearse some scenes backwards to know where people will end up in the shot.
foxtooth
The director. That's who comes up with the shots.
JOKERZwild86
I think the camera man had some part in it
SeanSweat
Director of Photography must be some random person then
MisuseOfLiterally
mmmm no not necessarily. He directs the whole thing but a good director knows how to delegate tasks, accept ideas from his staff. And a shot like that could have easily been from the director of photography, which is the guy more specifically tasked with stuff like that.
segway topic : This is what Zack Snyder should be in a production; director of photography. He can make cool looking shots but needs to be kept in check and to stay far away from anything related to script/story/narrative
77thtimesthecharm
Incredibly bold of you to think Todd Phillips is that talented
Jackthemayor
Depends on the director, some are real hands on with the cinematography others let their camera operator run wild. It takes a team to make a movie but the director often gets a lot of the credit or blame.
rIOsK
This looks like something a screenwriter described in such details that the set crew just had to figure out how to make it real
JustUsLeagueUnlimited
It's a collaborative effort. I'm sure something to that effect is in the script, the director explained what he wanted, writers storyboarded it out, and camera, props, and the like
sorryusernameunavailable
And the grips did something, not sure what but they were definitely involved.
cearrach
Maybe they gripped things?
vnqx
It's actually the bartender
igglebotato
I thought the butler did it
DontTazeMeBrah
AceOfNines
The director describes the shot he wants. The DP actually makes it reality. (You see where I'm going. Carry it forward.)
powwerbottom
This is the correct answer
xmaneds
then the Key Grip sets the lighting that the DP asks for
ShiftingPattern
Why, is the gaffer out sick?
xmaneds
crap; you are right and I am wrong. I was hoping somebody would do Best Boy
SnazzyDad
Double penetration?
10001110101periodictablewithasantapieceofmind
Yes.
SnazzyDad
Noice
SouthAlexander
I'm not a huge fan of the joker movie. But the costume screen test was amazing. Really wish they went with the tone of that instead of what we ended up getting.
thereitis101
I saw the trailer and there were a few shots but yeah, this one stuck out.
MyOldUserNameMeantUndeadCocaineButNowItsThis
I cannot wait for this movie. It's either going to be good or epic.
nero4ty2
or utter trash like the first one
Slayage
Unfortunately it was the biggest disappointment of the year for me.
FireSolvesProblems
I want to be excited about this movie but from the start something has felt off. I've seen a few comments saying it's pulling a Home Alone 2 & that looks like a good description, but that's not it. Maybe the first one was lightning in a bottle but I feel like this is one of those times to go in with lowered expectations. I just can't figure out why.
amp99
If you haven't it before, you may appreciate this video essay: 'You Were Never Really the Joker' by Jesse Tribble: https://youtu.be/fET8JgOdT-M
Identifyingasachair
I may have to see this movie…
Slayage
Unfortunately it was the biggest disappointment of the year for me.
H0vencl00f
I want to inhalair you? Whaaa?
tzahtman
In case you are actually having trouble hearing it Harley says "I want to see the real you"
corpofilth
get new speakers or consult an audiologist
quade
The blocking and rehearsal for that must've been intense... but he fucking nailed it.
rbudrick
Done in post, perhaps?
cmdshift3
All he needed was a monitor facing him
thylm
Well they could just place a display behind her so he can exactly see how it is lining up in the camera.
cmdshift3
So many people just have no idea how the world around them works. They're trying to come up with magic excuses for something really simple.
HandoB4Javert
tazedconfused
Gangstatron
probably looking at a screen of the shot
GiddyKipper
Yep, this!? Why isnwveeyome reaching for time consuming theories !? Just watch the shot as you do it!?
johnnothing
https://youtu.be/UIfdjPDPM-I?si=Sy03ZWbfq9dD18fD
Iamnotacreativeman
100% agree! Great craftsmanship by Joaqin; no amount of tape/blocking could've pulled that naturally without looking like you're navigating your head into place.
Badprenup
I could see another way around it. Because the woman and the glass is at points either blurry and/or out of shot they could just have Joaquin do the movement and smile, shoot a separate shot of her putting the makeup on the glass, and then layering one shot over the other.
If they block out the position based on the first take they could even put a very small line on the glass for her to follow with the makeup.
WhyIsTherePooUnderTheToiletSeat
What if he's just looking at a live video from camera. Could even be placed in the same hight as the actor he's playing against.
selej
or the makeup itself added post shot.
MrRandom314159
That still requires a REALLY good editor to make it blend seamlessly, especially assuming a wide angle of movement.
LaughingMan2Gig
I'm pretty sure they most likely just shot the scene and used CGI to add the lipstick to fit. Would seem less time consuming to do it that way vs filming till it matches
xizar
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/joker-one-shot-needed-cgi-1254218/
Danack
That's an article from January 2020. The lipstick on glass scene posted is from the new film this year, right?
xizar
No clue. I saw someone recently say lady gaga is going to be harley, and thought it was a gag. given WB, I was surprised this got greenlit.
Septcanmat
I’d really love to believe that this was all done practically, but my cynicism makes me inclined to believe that it’s actually some well-executed CGI - like, that hand and lipstick smear could be composited in from a separate plate, or they could even be 100% CGI. But if it was all done practically, then goddamn that is a well-made shot and kudos to them!
Clayman8
It could actually be if they simply use a mirror on Gaga's side, which is what he looks at and more or less knows where to position himself.
DiskettesAndGravy
Compositor here - While I don't know for sure, this was likely a "split screen". Not CG, but a combination of 2 practical plates that may have some slight retiming and transform adjustments to get them to line up just right.
Scruffy2
That was actually my first guess!
Septcanmat
That’s what I figured, at least for the hand but I thought that the lipstick smear itself was probably a CG element - that way it could be drawn to fit Phoenix’s eventual position, and the plate with her hand could be tracked in to follow that line.
DiskettesAndGravy
Very likely a combo of things, yeah. A high profile trailer shot like this has probably been nitpicked and tweaked to hell and back in post. But the results are fantastic, it's a beautiful shot.
TheArtistFormerlyKnownAsTheBabyAteMyDingo
That scene gave me goose bumps
umbabrahattasil
That scene from the movie that hasn't come out yet?
TheArtistFormerlyKnownAsTheBabyAteMyDingo
The scene that literally was in the trailer.
BellsTheorem
Was this from the director's cut or something? I don't remember this scene in the movie.
varesya
It's from the teaser trailer for the sequel.
Eomund521
Was that..... Steve Coogan?
LANAAAAAAAAAA
I'm SO excited for the soundtrack. Anyone know if Gaga will be involved?
v
BellsTheorem
Sequel? Holy shit. Didn't expect that.
tzahtman
It just dropped a day ago.
ifPokemonWereReal
Lady Gaga is playing Harley Quinn
smashpro1
https://youtu.be/6hzUHE-yEhs?si=cSJ_g4eERrHjl5OH
wylkyn
It's Lady gaGAH!
faultysage
It's a musical.
Drmantislovesegg
It's not a full musical. Already been stated.
GrilledCharlies
Why were you down voted. It isn’t a musical just music is a part of the storyline.
jefw1f
duhqueenmoki
i think it will be a fascinating take, and I trust the director. Of course, I'm not setting my expectations too high, but my curiosity is peaked
varesya
https://arstechnica.com/culture/2024/04/joaquin-phoenix-meets-his-perfect-match-in-joker-folie-a-deux-teaser/
Salpinus
Thought Phoenix never did sequels? Or was that Crowe? Someone who's stone hard on not doing them, but now I got Co fused
NCPilot
NGL, this movie fucking annoyed me because I didn't think the climax gave us a proper pay off for the build up, also Arthur Fleck was just fucking pathetic the entire time. He doesn't become the classic DC Joker we all know and love. I KNOW that in real life, most serial killers, terrorist, murderers are just pathetic losers (see BTK) but I don't want 100% realism in my fictional work.
tzahtman
DC have had one off stories with radically different takes on characters for fifty years at least. The mainline comic book version has changed pretty radically over the almost one hundred years of his existence. There is no singular interpretation of the"Joker". Not liking it is fine but pretending there is one TRUE JOKER is just asinine.
ShanyBoy
Disney's got a good collection of superhero movies you might enjoy then, a few series as well.
BellsTheorem
That's because it wasn't a film about the classic DC Joker.
0xBADA55
TheRealArclight
agreed
umbabrahattasil
This is from the trailer for the second one, though.
JustaLawAbidingCitizen
I mean they were making a movie about "a" joker. Not "the" joker. They were quite clear about that in the run up
TheRealArclight
lol what..
camtin
they should have just called it something else, but yeah I know, money
thesmelge
That would make more sense if they hadn't then introduced Harley Quinn in the next one. Kind of fucks with their "not THE Joker" thing. Maybe there's a clever plot device, but this feels like a sequel that shouldn't be made being done to cash in on the originals success and removing what made it unique.
deathsausage
I also think they trying for believable villians in the d.c....
deathsausage
I mean the batmans....
Hurro
I think it was more of a movie about social and governmental failures leading to a man's degradation into madness.
realizedagain
It was basically about lack of empathy, and greed.
Hurro
It's been a while but I feel he was trying to get meds but denied, needed them to hold down his job, trying to get aid for his mom, etc
Miyamotofan
IIRC he was on meds but they got cut off early on.
realizedagain
Yeah but the larger theme of the society was one that lacked empathy and was full of greed and selfishness. If he had gotten help for his mental illness he could have still gone on his spree with just as much “justification”.