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OfficialBenderRodriguez
The difference is, these men did not file charges, or even get upset. Quit getting offended on behalf of people who aren't offended
ProbablyCorgis
at least her role model is the president
Piornet
And if you're a male you can get elected president and get a news anchor fired for *you* sexually assaulting women.
djangojazz
Psst: "People don't really know what they are doing mostly. Organizations of how people should be are bound for irony at some point."
rubbarz
https://imgur.com/jg53c
IamRagnarLodbrok
GQBound
I can say, with confidence, that this is the first white woman I've heard about named "Ebony".
gad885
Equality is equal opportunity not equal outcomes
Fenrax
Judging by how often this shows up, the fact that she was not executed for her behavior was more important than 9/11 and WW2 combined.
awesomepants
Frank is right
cleverbeans
Frank is wrong because she was in fact charged and convicted. She was also a minor which made her essentially immune to being sued.
MyDadAteMyFuckingPepperoniAgain
+1 for title
BaltimorePolice
Yes
FiftyShadesOfCauliflower
Sorry to burst your "men are so oppressed!" bubble, but we all agree that this is sexual harassment. File charges and she'll be prosecuted
cleverbeans
She was charged and convicted. They didn't sue her because she's a minor and and that essentially gives her immunity
chasingradio
IronKittySlayer
Just an FYI, feminism is entirely about equality. Although not everyone uses it that way.
CellPrincess
Tina Belcher in real life
helenfrankannekeller
Actually the female athletes would whooped him
KawaiiInari
Yeah but, they were asking for it. Can't you see how they are dressed?!
AllYourBaconAndEggs
I feel like it's fair to downvote after the 50th time you've seen it.
keyblader1985
There are new people on Imgur every day who haven't already seen most of what makes the rounds. Seeing so many reposts says more about us.
deamonsatwar
On that note this is actually the first time I've seen this.
residentolive
If I had a dollar for every time this was reposted, I'd have $11,367 (at least, probably)
AllYourBaconAndEggs
I know I've seen this approximately once a week since I discovered Imgur and that was.... 2012. So....
EnthusiasticPickle
A true feminist would also see this is unfair...
DapperBlook
Ah yes, and she isn't a true Scotsman either!
cleverbeans
Or would simply point out that she was charged and convicted.
bellisgellis
Frank seems a little salty about feminism, but I agree that she shouldn't be allowed to do that, it shouldn't be brushed off.
cleverbeans
It wasn't. She was charged and convicted. They didn't sue because she was a minor and that basically gave her immunity.
bellisgellis
Oh. Well there you go. As it should be, more or less.
itscoldhere8monthsoftheyear
What does this have to do with feminism? Not every poor decision by a woman is political.
zombiebatman
No they are 100% related. That's why we put in the wage gap. It's only fair.
iScrambledHerEggs
But every poor decision by a man is
AgolfHiller
This
FiftyShadesOfCauliflower
OP thinks that it's a woman's world because she wasn't immediately arrested. In reality,a victim has to file charges. Nothing to do w.gender
questionableanswers
DAs can press charges without victims filing complaints.
Fyba
Actually she was arrested for trespassing.
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DapperBlook
That's a bigger straw man than this post. How did you pull that off?
IVerifyPeoplesUsernames
And what did it say?
DapperBlook
That all women must be perfect at all times or it is misandry, but if a man does something wrong, he is discounted as a bad apple.
DapperBlook
Basically, it was a large load of horse manure.
iusedtosleepnowiimgur
This is creating issues that aren't there
cleverbeans
Especially since she was charged and convicted for the incident.
Gibblesmish
So this post is feminism?
cleverbeans
Well it's a lie as she was in fact charged and convicted. I'd say lying to engender false sympathy for fabricated sexism is a dick move.
Gibblesmish
So I'm feminism?
ayehebutaweelad
Imgur whines a lot about SJWs being offended on other people's behalf when we're doing exactly that for the players who didn't press charges
Ninjafromnorway
*the internet complains about other people complaining about other ppl complaining on other people's behalf -fixed your typo
cleverbeans
What's even more baffling is that she was charged and convicted but people act like she wasn't even charged!
APackOfExcitedGingers
I think the point is, if it were female players getting groped by a guy, would they file charges? I'm guessing probably, but idk
questionableanswers
DAs can press charges without victims filing complaints. Your point isn't exactly relevant here.
RidiculousCube
Don't think he was making that point at all. Just showing how backwards it was.
assholehusband
Yes, women shouldn't get their panties in a bunch over a lil Ass grabbing. Us men don't
cleverbeans
Except she was charged and convicted. That detail seems to be lost on him.
LaytressOnTheMenjay
Hear me out (or don't): there is a power imbalance between men and women generally. In general men can overpower women physically and have
Vectorman2
So what you are getting at is they wont say no because of the 'implication'...
LaytressOnTheMenjay
No. I'm saying I think it's difficult to argue that a 185lb professional athlete felt physically intimidated by a 125lb woman.
LaytressOnTheMenjay
Done so since forever when they feel like they needed/wanted to. When a man is alone with a woman and grabs her ass without consent, she
LaytressOnTheMenjay
Often feels intimidated and fearful due to this physical power imbalance. So it's not just the action but the power structures in place that
LaytressOnTheMenjay
Create a sense of fear/intimidation/harassment. In the case where a woman grabs a mans ass it might be obnoxious and unwanted, but likely
LaytressOnTheMenjay
Those men do not have residual fears of being overpowered and taken sexually against their will (the thing woman have to think about all the
LaytressOnTheMenjay
Time). So it's not really an equal comparison at all, and I likely wasted my time writing all this but once I started I was like "fuck,
HPTradecraft
Bad behavior is bad behavior.
Rwhejek
yeah but the problem is that for women it is only seen as bad behavior, for men it is assault, harassment, stalking, etc for jail time.
wobbu
probably something to do with the fact that men and women are culturally different idk
LurkerOfDarkness
No they're not, but often percieved as such.
CaptainAsshat
Yeah, men and women are identical and there's no reason to have a distinction in any sense. /s
frogglesmash
Shouldn't laws be applied identically regardless of gender?
newworldtraveller
Mostly because men have raped and pillaged for 10k years. Not saying women aren't awful too, just that empirically... Better to err cautious
DapperBlook
Maybe because we are good at it. My mustache could knock you flat, missy. *flexes biceps which flex smaller muscles on top of themselves*
newworldtraveller
I'm all for egalitarianism and equality in sentencing, I'm just saying society chooses to be harder on men because of historical analysis.
Sabruka
newworldtraveller
Lol, I knew when I typed it that I probably! Shouldn't. Reminds me of the Louis c.k. joke on dating though. It's just kinda... Accurate.
Noddye
What haspened 10k yeats ago is very relevant...
newworldtraveller
No no, not just 10k years ago, but for the past 10k years and continuing. Do you see the difference?
Rwhejek
Yea and christians did the same during the crusades and muslims too, so we should preemptively lock them up? We live in the present not past
newworldtraveller
We do indeed, however, through your logic, we shouldn't look at historical patterns for the abatement of antisocial behavior?
Rwhejek
Studies show women are more likely to be unfaithful and make choices based on emotion so.. never trust one and dont give them power?
Dicho83
Yes, then we lock up the atheists & the conservatives. Then we go after the liberals & the blacks, Asians, mexicans, then the whites. 1/2
Dicho83
If we lock up everybody, then we will finally be safe. 2/2.
Chereazi
Ask the players why they didn't sue, that's pretty much up to them, not "feminism"...
lollercycle
found the vegan
bogbodyboogy420
Victim blamer!
ayehebutaweelad
Oh my god, you're ridiculous
bogbodyboogy420
Should I have thrown in a /s or /jk for those who don't get it?
BeringerRD
They don't have to sue the state can press charges on their behalf.
cleverbeans
They did press charges and she was convicted. Shows you how ignorant people will be to justify their own narrative.
JollyGreenAl
if it's a criminal act it's really up to the DA.
cleverbeans
And indeed they did press charges and she was convicted.
Barsalt
Well it is obviously as simple as that and has no other reasons within society ...
BronzeLeaguePro
It illustrates a central point, namely that men and women are different. This undermines a lot of feminist rhetoric.
Barsalt
from what is happening in society (2/2)
cleverbeans
It would undermine it except that she was indeed charged and convicted. It's easy to undermine a position if you just lie about the facts.
BronzeLeaguePro
The point was the difference in reaction from people though.
thisisprocrastination
Eh? It only illustrates that we treat men and women differently.
Barsalt
I don't see how it illustrates that point. I think it simply illustrates that what is seen as right and wrong developes over time (1/2)
BronzeLeaguePro
If a man had done that to a bunch of women, the reactions would have been different, because men and women are fundamentally different.
GrrrGiraffe
Or maybe they're different because as a society we treat men and women differently? We teach people different things.
BronzeLeaguePro
We do teach people different things. But that doesn't really matter if we are fundamentally different.
Barsalt
not biology 3/3
Barsalt
between men and woman that are fundamental, but I really have not seen any prove to that effect. They seem to originate from society 2/3
Barsalt
I agree with what would have happend, but I don't necessarily agree with your reasoning. It might be that there are differenes 1/2
BronzeLeaguePro
There are clear physical differences in musculature, hormone levels, etc. Why would you presume that the psychology of men and women (1/2)
BronzeLeaguePro
I don't see how that point is not being made. No point is being made to say that one gender is better than the other either.
Barsalt
The point that i am critizising is not what point has been made, but that the consequence that follows from the problem is stupid
Chereazi
It really just shows, that women pull shit like this so rarely, that it's seen as funny in some situations. For men it's an "ugh, again", I
dreadpiratekhan
Good point
Chereazi
fail to see anything in there that says "men and women are fundamentally different."
CckDaGod
So your saying if a man were to touch a women once and a wile without permission or and without even knowing her it would be ok... Uhh no 1/
Chereazi
It's not ok, no, and she's been thrown off the field by security. It's up to the players to complain. That they didn't just shows my point.
CckDaGod
GrrrGiraffe
It's not okay. Which is why we need to start teaching our boys that not only can they violate someone's personal space, but their (1)
Gibblesmish
*start teaching everyone.
GrrrGiraffe
personal space can be violated too, and that that is NOT okay. Consent works the same for men and women. (2)
GrrrGiraffe
Charges have to be filed for sexual harassment charges to be brought up. None of the men filed charges. It's not up to anyone else's wants.
Candyman216
You've watched too much television. That hasn't been true for twenty five years
NexiKuro
AFAIK she got slapped with trespass charges for rushing the field, so it's not like she didn't face any consequences at all.
GrrrGiraffe
I didn't say she didn't, just that if the men didn't file a sexual harassment report, there won't be a sexual harassment case against her.
NexiKuro
I wasn't disagreeing with you, just adding on to disperse the illusion that somehow she got away scot-free for being a women.
Notme68
The fact that any one of those men could beat her dead by hand could explain why they don't feel threatened.
GrrrGiraffe
They don't have to feel threatened to know that someone has violated their space and be aware that that is wrong.
Notme68
Offense is subjective. The playful nature of the incident could be enjoyed because they perceived no threat nor offense. 1
Notme68
I'm glad that it could happen and be an overall good time. It was their choice. I'm sure they could have sued for harassment if they wanted2
Notme68
And that's what equality is. The have the the same choices. The freedom to choose to be offended or not.3
Jewbacca21
I'm sure these athletes can beat almost any fan that jumps on the field. It's still dangerous. What if she had a weapon
AlabamaShakySnake
Actually. At work, you can be brought up on charges of sexual harrasment if someone other than the target sees it.
pugofstardock
For not being included?
AlabamaShakySnake
No. Many reasons tho. 1: Sex Harrasment firings via HR is about protecting the company. If the harraser keeps doing it can look like the
AlabamaShakySnake
Company did nothing to foster a safe work environment. Lawsuit city. 2, you have the right to have a safe work environment, you shouldn't
AlabamaShakySnake
Feel like if you go to work you might be assaulted. 3, seeing sexual harassment IS sexual harassment (weird but yeah). Even if the target is
GrrrGiraffe
Being fired from your job, and having a DA pursue a case are two different things though. DAs don't like to file charges without a victim.
TurtleOnTheRocks
But that's HR stuff, not jail time stuff. Huge difference, totally incomparable
BlackPhilipsPrince
WRONG!
GrrrGiraffe
DAs rarely bring to court sexual assault/harassment cases that have no victims. They're too hard to win.
BlackPhilipsPrince
WRONG! And you know it, i know it, everyone knows it!
GrrrGiraffe
Idk where the fuck you live, but where I'm from DAs won't file sexual assault charges without a victim. Hell, sometimes even when there (1)
BlackPhilipsPrince
WRONG! This is alternative commenting
GrrrGiraffe
to the prosecutor, but they were taking his wants into consideration a lot. He even had them reduce the charges. (4)
GrrrGiraffe
Hell, when my mother's husband was attacked by our neighbor, the prosecutor asked him the whole way how he wanted to proceed. It was up (3)
BlackPhilipsPrince
Your alternative father was attacked by your neighbor? Exactly why you need to build a wall in between your homes.
GrrrGiraffe
is a victim they don't file charges. (2)
JollyGreenAl
BS files are charged by the DA not by victims, anyone could bring it to DA to look into, they could press individual charges though.
GrrrGiraffe
I know, but a DA won't bring charges without a victim filing a report or making a complaint.
napoleonsghost
Yeah, like when a murder victim files a complaint. Oh wait
GrrrGiraffe
Different situation. Comparing murder to sexually related crime is different. Murder victims are considered vulnerable, they cannot (1)
GrrrGiraffe
so a lot of DAs choose not to pursue filing charges. They have to have damn good evidence without victim cooperation to do so. Have to be(5)
GrrrGiraffe
unfortunately, sexually related cases where the victim chooses not to file a report tend to not do as well in court (from what I've seen)(4)
GrrrGiraffe
it's easier to file charges when you have a cooperative victim. Especially in a sexually related offense. Lawsuits cost the state money, (3)
GrrrGiraffe
pursue filing a report or any other sort of legal action, so the DA solely decides whether or to file the charges. With living victims, (2)
GrrrGiraffe
able to convince a jury. (6)
bogbodyboogy420
Victim blamer! REEEEEE
GrrrGiraffe
No. What the girl did isn't right. But they have to report it to the police. You can't say it's not equal because the girl didn't get (1)
GrrrGiraffe
make his action right though. (4)
GrrrGiraffe
arrest her. It's the same when a man assaults a woman, or harasses a woman. If she doesn't file charges, he won't be arrested. Doesn't (3)
GrrrGiraffe
arrested and have files charged against her. Looks like they're working on detaining her. If the men don't file charges, they won't (2)
Coyote8
Can you imagine the backlash complaining a woman touched them? I mean, they made a dude who landed on an asteroid cry because of a shirt.
ITalkAboutGoats
A dude that lands on the moon should be Ave to take some criticism, especially when wearing half naked women on tv in a field
ITalkAboutGoats
Heavily criticized for making women unwelcome, perhaps because they wear half naked women on their shirts on national tv.
GrrrGiraffe
And that backlash is wrong, which is why we need to teach all of our children about consent in the same manner, regardless of gender.
zodiac585
In Texas the state can choose to file charges regardless of the victim.
CatsIsTheAnswer
Are rape and sexual harassment two different felonies? Would make sense to automatically prosecute the first, not the latter
Dontstressyoucanchangeitatanytime
It would actually be sexual assault. Harassment would be words assault would be touching. For a guy that would be a minimum of a year or two
CatsIsTheAnswer
Didn't know that. So "sexual assault" covers everything from unwanted touching to actual rape?
Dontstressyoucanchangeitatanytime
When certain areas of the body are touched or the touching is in a sexual way, yes
homoerection
Same in Utah.
BetterLuckyThanGood
This is not a benefit. It's just more overreach on the part of a government.
GrrrGiraffe
They don't though. Do you know how hard it is to make a case without victim cooperation? The DA usually decides to not deal with that shit.
Schex44
Not that hard if you have it all on video...
manslut
Who's to say it wasn't consensual? W/o a victim you can't prove a crime.
Jewbacca21
That makes zero sense in this case. They're on a baseball field playing baseball and a fan illegally jumps on it.... It's not consensual
Ricextank
So people who are being tried for murder without a body want to talk to whatever defense lawyer you're talking to
Schex44
Also they can be subpoenaed to testify even if they aren't the one pressing charges
AnyUsernameWillDoForMe
Also, the victims are notoriously uncooperative in murder cases.
GrrrGiraffe
Different situation. Dead victims are considered vulnerable, so the DA decides whether to prosecute the case/file charges without much (1)
GrrrGiraffe
related criminal investigations without victim cooperation. (5)
GrrrGiraffe
filing without a cooperative victim is likely to result in acquittal, because juries are finicky and evidence is hard to get in sexually (4)
GrrrGiraffe
will file without victim cooperation, like with children victims. But in a case like this, where the victim is not seen as vulnerable, (3)
GrrrGiraffe
consideration to the victim's families wants, or anyone elses. With live victims, things are different. But there are cases where DAs (2)
cleverbeans
She was charged and convicted so you've got something wrong here.
GrrrGiraffe
I don't know much about this case, just responding to the idea in the post, which is that she didn't face the same charges as a man.
GrrrGiraffe
Someone else said she was charged with trespassing however, which IS not a complaint filed by the men, and IS a complaint filed by the (2)
GrrrGiraffe
stadium, which is the victim in a trespassing incident. (3)
cleverbeans
Firstly, the DA decides on charges not the men or stadium. Secondly, sexual harassment is a civil claim, not criminal and minors are immune.
GrrrGiraffe
Yes. I know for the sake of 150 character comments I was cutting my word choice short. Stadium files a report, DA decides whether or not (1)
GrrrGiraffe
a DIR and let the victim pursue what they want by asking for an order of protection or not.) But these men will not be seen as victims (4)
GrrrGiraffe
or protect themselves - so sometimes in DV cases, but from what I've seen in my area, police officers are much more likely to just write (3)
GrrrGiraffe
civil. There are some instances in some states where sexual harassment falls under the penal code. For instance, in NYS forcibly touching(7)
GrrrGiraffe
incident to the police in hopes that the DA will pursue the case. As to whether sexual harassment is criminal or civil, it's usually (6)
GrrrGiraffe
P.S. I just realized I replied in a weird way/format, and I apologize if it does something weird to your notifications.
GrrrGiraffe
to file the charges. But if no report is filed, usually the DA doesn't pursue charges. (Unless the victim appears to be unable to help (2)
GrrrGiraffe
that are likely to be harmed again in this same way/that are vulnerable, so a DA probably won't press charges if none of them report the (5)
GrrrGiraffe
intimate areas, without legitimate cause, for the purpose of degrading another person falls under NYS Penal Code and can be criminal. (8)
cleverbeans
Butt slapping has been prosecuted as sexual assault before but I've only found cases of serial offenders or prior convictions for violence.