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Thetiredmechanic
We'd like to believe justice is blind but the truth is wealthy straight white men just can't get a fair shake (paraphrased from Frasier) xD
HeProtecAndAttac
Honestly in everyday life as a guy I don't feel any kind of reason or right to "fight back" as I witness women have to deal with way more
CandiedCorn
So did she speak up and call the teacher out on her bullshit?
berlinson
But, I’m a male who was raised by a feminist mum, and I never felt the need to apologise for my existence.
khm01
Assumption that men are violent is wrong. The assumption that all men are cowed and afraid to stand up for themselves is also wrong.
SunAnvil
"Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent" - Isaac Asimov. When Mr. Asimov wrote this he referenced "men" but it works for anyone.
alecdshope
Life isn't a zero-sum endeavor. Small minds never really grasp that.
onewallpaperaweek
AZRAELSBLADE
Well not that shocked
Sunmonster
sevendragonsandababy
Real feminism is an upheaval of restrictive patriarchy, uplifting both men and women, rather than just flipping the script
sickburn
It’s like everyone alive now forgot about how we go through this “feminism doesn’t mean hating men” realization every ten fucking years.
Ozarck
Education is a lifelong process. There are new people born every day, and all ideas are new to someone.
zwinzCookieTerror
Whaaaaaaat
Allworknoplay82
somethingsomethingmcbob
The system of patriarchy fucks over men and women by confining them to narrow roles. And both women & men have been to blame for status quo.
confanity
That's cool and all, but let's "fight back" by dismantling sexism on our terms, instead of defending rapists by sending death threats.
I'm sure Ms Lessing would agree with that sentiment.
Shiny. :)
ScrapMechanicKid
Something I'm quite annoyed by is people who say they follow this mentality but they think a minority in a video game is "white genocide".
BangusDangus
I mean, lets be real tho, angry feminists truly are a very small minority, just a loud one.
If you say something often enough, people believe it. That's why television, radio, and the internet are such powerful ideological drivers.
GreatScatt
That's true. I saw a meme about it.
There are a lot of angry anti-feminists too. Dont really hear imgurians ranting about them tho.
Imgur likes its little anti-feminism circle jerk. "BuT wHaT aBoUt ThE mEn?" Men dont get groped at their jobs as often as women, sorry
Jusmar
And have enough sway to make companies think there is a market for their corrupted version of feminism.
Normalface
Some people think it's necessary to diminish others to elevate themselves rather than understanding elevation is mostly personal.
TongueTiedLabourerfromtheLandoftheLittlePeople
To diminish Hipsters, Emos, Fedoras, Karens, Bimbos, Incels, Nerds, Vegans, Stoners, Sluts, Creeps, Baby boomers, Conservatives, /
/Liberals, Furries, Bronies, Weebs, SJW’s, Fedora’s.
SidneyHarbor
Because people are told to fight for what's right, not to partner for what's right. You win a fight by destroying your enemy.
catsandmuffins
So well said.
GoldFrieza
I heard stuff like that as a kid. Usually made the boys smile & laugh. "Yeah we're warriors, hahaha."
PrinceOfSpace
Treat someone like a monster, they become one. Treat them as undesirable, they will act the same towards society.
Doolally
I'm not a hot chick and therefore I don't get the treatment of a desirable person but at least I might be less likely to be raped so yay
haveyouheardabouttheseinternetmemes
um... wat?
BoredCreep
That's basically the plot of the Joker movie.
ohthatwordbumsmeout
These kinda posts on here just crack me up. Men: why is everyone so mean to us?! Next post: hot girls with big boobs. http://i.imgur.com/4lE
Way to shame men for their sexuality, and demonstrate the point.
This is great
butwhyisthenamegone
Apparently a legit quote https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2001/aug/14/edinburghfestival2001.edinburghbookfestival2001
Thank you random internet citizen, I was just about to research it.
SteampunkMage
Thanks for looking it up so I don't have to!
cyno01
Isnt going to keep the incel types from twisting the fuck out of it.
or the anti-incels from bitching about incels before they say anything.
thehumanoidsarecoming
People that react to feminism now fail to realize how radical things were through the 70's-90's, she was reacting in 2001 to sentiments like
"women shouldn't choose to be stay at home mothers" and small movements that tried to get pantyhose and other sexy leg coverings banned
so that only sensible cotton socks would be legal, which is about the same level that most of the complaints you see online about feminism
come from now. Weirdo fringe groups that in previous decades we would have recognized as fringe and moved on. Feminism on the whole is
far less radical now, the thing thats changed is that every moron is free to make themselves in to a public figure, and other morons listen.
1Kodey1
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BoyFromOklahoma
Now, imagine the teacher. Reading this quote and slowly coming to the realization that she done fucked up.
teakasaurus
It seems unlikely to me that she will read it, & even less likely that she will realize it was about her. People poor in thought rarely do.
noobletron
Typically extremists of any sort are extremists because they are incapable of doing just that
exlurker42
numonster
In my class t'was taught the glass ceiling didn't exist: women are incapable of those jobs. Sucks all round. Teach kids better on all sides.
snarflex
Now we're taught that there are no differences in preferences, behavior or anything else between men and women, and never suggest otherwise.
Well, since men and women are a composite of individuals with individual preferences, seems like suggesting otherwise would be inaccurate.
ArchAzazel
Well we can look at patterns. And men have a lower chance of cervical cancer. Men are typically more violent. Women have better color vision
2/3 You can explain away some differences with culture, but have you ever had too much or too little testosterone or estrogen?
Notathreatforhumanityy
The fact that a group might not have a single behavioral trait thats common ammongst all members, doesnt mean that on average they 1/2
Arent more likely to behave in a particular way in comparation to another group. Biological and sociological dispositions exist.
Right proper feminism battles sexism on all sides. Limiting one class to elevate the other is wrong.
Imayhavebeenhacked
I cant stand newer kids tv shows. The boys/men/fathers are always complete idiots and the girls are always smart problem solvers.
It's a reverse from pre-80's where women were daft but pretty. Hopefully we'll level out in the future and write good shit for everyone.
onlyhalfghost
Haven't seen a sitcom in the past thirty years, then?
i only watched cosby knightrider and animaniacs as a kid. my kids watch this newer disney crap and it infuriates me.
The pattern you describe matches almost every live action sitcom (and hell, Family Guy, American Dad, and The Simpsons too) since the 90s.
SugarRay59
When inversion of a trope goes wrong. It's all homer's fault.
stratus41298
And it's a respected source! Well done! Have a meme!
Grim1337
HedonistBeard
That is truly the perfect meme for a post about difficult issues surrounding sexism, culture, and societal backlash.
Theirandbackagain
Y'all NONE BUT THE FRINGE ELEMENTS OF FEMINIST IDEOLOGY ARE PREACHING ANYTHING ELSE.
komododave
Be moderate and be forgotten
dreammer243
Thank you. I don't doubt this happens and it shouldn't -- but often these incidents are brought to light to discredit the entire movement.
smoakit
And the "fringe" just happen to be all in politics and getting a lot of support from the "moderates", is that right?
Examples?
You can see every time a white man does something bad its blame all white and/or all men. But a muslim? A black man? A woman? "We can't let>
< the actions of a few define the rest of the group" despite the fact that white men per capita commit the least amount of violent crime of>
< all groups, so much so that they have to define Hispanics as "Hispanic whites" at the DoJ to make the graph even close. But no, please, >
If her point is schooling, we have absolutely failed. Men used to be 2/3 of college students. By 2000, 4 girls in college for 3 boys. 1/2
Totally agreed, this was the content of my master's thesis. Me, a feminist man in the Psychology department.
iDrinkDrano
Is that more women or less men though? Legitimately interested in seeing the stats.
Boys are being told they are worthless, so they believe it and don't go to college anywhere near as much as girls now. 2/2
daftthoughts
Sources?
https://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d18/tables/dt18_322.20.asp?current=yes for degree counts by gender.
For the "why" of it happening, there's been a few decades of research and of course - it's highly politicized. Numbers don't lie though.
DrSparken
This is number of conferred degrees. Most universities still report equality or majority men entering, however men have a much higher >
ALSO DORIS LESSING IS DEBATABLY FEMINIST BY MANY INTERPRETATIONS AND IMPLYING THERE IS SOME MONOLITHIC FEMINIST APPROVAL OF IDEAS IS ABSURD
nevoreJunkie
Nice gatekeeping
Literally the opposite of gatekeeping. Individuals denouncing the bad agents is how a group keeps them out.
Not gatekeeping, clarifying that 1. Feminism is a broad umbrella of ideas and that 2. claiming "feminism's favorite authors" is a misleading
Septcanmat
You don’t get to simultaneously claim that feminism is a broad umbrella and that there are fringe elements. One claim validates the
extremes, they other denounces them. So which is it?
thatssnotmyname
Sorry, just talked to feminism yesterday, they agree that they are indeed a single monlithic being with the goal of transforming men to fuel
Fuck, you were on that call? Ran a little long and I had to jump to another conference about how they gay agenda is moving along
Did they get to how trans people plan to improve their scheme to be fooling people?
That particular line item got pushed to next week's meeting :/
ARandomFinch
It's not the 'innate violent nature of men' it's the 'innate greed of politicians and the corporations who sponsor them'.
disabledwerewolf
Aren't those typically run by men? Not saying I agree with the premise, but this doesn't seem to work as a counter point imo.
KingKolunikus
You can't blame all men for what a small subset of men does. If all A are B, it doesn't necessarily follow that all B are A.
PowwerOrb13
It works because it's shifting the blame from 50% of human population to a handful of corrupt officials
Ilasiak
Typically run by men because there are more men willing to give up pretty much everything for a job/position. Even women who have become >
> CEOs and other high positions have stated that many of their female peers wouldn't put in the weekend, overtime, and extra effort that >
> many people look at for promotions. For most people in high positions, it wasn't easy to get there.
Women in those positions are as corrupt as the men. It's like the saying, 'all squares are rectangles, but not all rectangles are squares'.
minibois
We should be empowering each other, instead of trying to make the other seem worse.
Fr1edToast
Typical woman. Making the issue seem like both sexes are at equal fault.
Gooberiffic
This right here
Hereagain
This is true of all things. Disagreeing doesn't mean the other person is evil. Well, about most things.
WyldStallynsRule
Absolutely, but we need to break down systems. We must differentiate between personal attacks and critiques of entrenched power.
BeNNyBooZe
Well, it's much easier to lower someone else than it is to improve yourself.
PigsWeGetWhatPigsDeserve
But that’s the US way: everything is thought to be a zero sum game.
Mairoa
Also, that inherent violence crap is used as an excuse for violent behavior from the shittiest few. Show them the problems, not shame
cepacolusmaximus
mmartin762
It's team sports.
RadicalLeftist
When was the last time you saw a radical feminist on this site? When was the last time you saw something anti feminist on this site?
I don't remember either.. But I am still curious as to what you mean by this comment?
That there arent many radical feminists and they arent actually causing a problem but imgur and reddit like to bring them up constantly.
I understand what you mean - but I wanted to make my point in a broader discrimination sense.
It wasnt meant as accusatory to you, more op
AnotherReplyToIgnore
'Empowering' is the wrong word, it implies someone is already less powerful or needs to be more powerful. People need to learn compassion.
That was definitely not the implication I was going for. I meant 'empowering' more in a 'people can feel self-conscience about their >
< ability to do certain things and encouraging other will empower them in these endeavors'. Kind of in that way.
But that's haaaard
HomicidalDirtMuppet
Exactly! Feminism is about equality and respect not superiority
Zokalwe
It is about whatever the most people who call themselves feminist make it. Both hateful feminazis and ppl who understand this quote are 1/
2 the extremes, with most others falling somewhere in between. Not hateful of men, but not having given much thought to this. Hell, the
3 interpretation "when you've been privileged, equality feels like oppression" is still common whenever it is raised. saw it here just
4/4 yesterday, upvoted of course. People just can't seem to handle a view of privilege other than a pure binary.
fredh67
Not just feminism, either; lifting up one demographic doesn't mean putting down another, but people often think it's one and the same.
zaphas86
Feminism *should be* about equality and respect, but is often (very often) bastardized into being about superiority.
Doshegotabooty
No, that’s what lots of men think it is. It literally IS about sexes being different, but equally important humans.
testtickles
Cooperation versus competition. But Americans LOOOOOOVE their competition...
kaztas
They love underdogs overcoming and persevering. Sometimes inflating the "under" in "underdog"...
They used to, but now they mostly love to be outraged.
ShyBasilisk
And offended
The fearful and small minded have always been this way. They're just noisy.
VitaminJay
"Don't be a dick." --Literally every faith.
LatumWay
lol you're fucking with us right
PietroAretino
Literally any human being born with a moral compass, which is at least 95% of us.
mypasswordwascorrectasshole
Literally just mine, don’t really think there’s a higher power I guess. I feel good just by being nice, that’s all I go by
*proceeds to act dickishly* - Followers of literally every faith
Alas, dicks gonna dick, regardless of faith.
Atheists too! Dick behavior is pretty universal.
ElectricSpacePotatoes
Dont be a dick, Except to THOSE PEOPLE -- literally every faith
Maybe yours but not mine.
Sure buddy what ever you say.
Theres one that doesn't really have that...
DamnedAustin
You're right. Christianity has a long history of being dicks to just about everyone else, including other, slightly different Christians.
Although I agree with the sentiment entirely, I'd be willing to bet my entire life savings that the majority of all wars were due to men.
rouxmorgue13
most likely gods or religon
I agree, but it was the males calling the shots. Also all predominant religions are patriarchal as fuck.
I have a dick by the way, I am a guy.
Why did men start those wars?
Anger, hate, aggression, power, money, wealth, land, women, religion.
Power should be first, but also, how do you get a large mass of people to follow you? create an enemy and fight it.
TheLesserOfTwoWeevils
The idea men aren't fighting back against feminism? Every other front page post is about it.
datphone777365
So your saying its 50/50...seems balanced/s
You do realize making stupid memes on stupid social media websites isn't a "fight" or a way to "stick it to the man" right? It does nothing.
Much like feminist tumblr quotes aren't in any way oppression of men? They do nothing. And they do prove men are hardly ashamed and too /1
/2 scared to speak out.
Yeah, sure to all of that I guess.
Yah, unfortunately feminism, even extreme feminism, is institutionalized and wields real power which in some circumstances is oppressive.
Feminists do not hate men. Men are just threatened by the idea that women are just as important as men.
[citation needed]
Ever had to specify your sex and/or race on a job application? How about attend ‘sensitivity’ training?
NB: There are undoubted situations where things are biased against men but I doubt you could prove that feminism was to blame. Since /1
A good example is look at what happened to Cassie Jaye a feminist film maker who wanted to make a documentary about the Mens Rights Movement
KeyLimeGreen
Moral of the story is don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. If your victory is at the expense of someone who should be 1/2
Gameking116
As long as the bath water doesn’t belong to a gamer girl..... or everyone will lose their minds! /s
MrHashSlingingSlasher
Gamas rise up
RottedOnion
It's part of the reason trump was elected and will be reelected. His base has been called shit in media for so long they just said fuck it
Your partner, it isn't a true victory. 2/2
Problem here is that this actually has calmed down, you have to go extremely far down the ladder and in to social media to find what
people rant about as being "feminism" now. It's ridiculous.
Coyce
could be applied to the current debate blizzard banning players for hurting blizz image and violating their contracts
Lucritas
Like all wars
jimmyhowlett
That's why I hate the punching-up defence. Why not try to build a society where no one is punched instead?
secretdpp
It's easier to tear someone else down lower than you are, makes it seem like you're better
Yeah so discourage punching down but dont encourage punching up
NauticalRimJob
Only punches in the form of those half-hearted arm punches your friend gives you when you roast him. Those "oh, you" kinda punches.
ParaBellumOutfitters
But, but - that's non-intersectional wrongthink, comrade!
realargonwolf
Plz no, the word "wrongthink" gives me a nervous tic. I think I'm allergic to buzzwords.
ODSTsRule
To hell with that BS, anyone who believes in it should be put into Science Camps where they LEARN until they realize how stupid they were
And im only half sarcastic about that idea. To many people think "internet" is more credible than actual experts/doctors etc.!
CoughcoughTheKurdsCoughcough
USD1
Yes let us continue to fund one militant group against another militant group we are also funding.
WorkerLurker
The Kurdish are an ethnic group is the largest difference here, and it’s often not recognized
I am willing to support the group offering asylum to religious minorities left to die by every other faction.
BaronVonJoeJoe
Sorry. Very pissed off with recent events.
Oh and they actually have some sort of equal rights? Have been our allies for years. Imprison our actual enemies like ISIS.
HellaFishsticks
Would you like to buy some bathwater?
LrrrRulerofThePlanetOmicronPerseiVIII
Those particular men we can safely rubbish, I’d say
God that was so ridiculous.
And profitable.
And apparently toxic to that guy who drank it.
Dreadhawk
Only if I will get sick from drinking it. Otherwise, what's the point?
Ihatecornbeef
I heard of these so called celebs selling bath water ( twitch streamers etc ) so at this point I'm too afraid to ask if your kidding ...
dizzyturtle
Is that you Belle?
ShaneEngland
Turns out it was just tap water
CheshirePhoenix
Dude who bought it got sick when he drank it, so it must've come from Flint.
CaptainClarification
Does it still have the baby in it?
ReasonablySorryButNotTooMuch
Well, I am a thirsty gamer...
CloseupCaptionReaction
All of imgur is thirsty. Gamers and non-gamers alike
ArandomDane
Isn't Imgur a game? have i been playing it wrong all this time? If is it not a game why is there a point counter? Help! my existence!
In the words of playstation :"life's a game. Enjoy the ride"
Rovolloth
i lost the game
murphyland
Fun fact! The saying come from the medieval time when they use to take communal baths a few times a year (the only baths they took) 1/2
Men would go first followed by woman and children. The water was so murky by the time that the woman and children would go that people 1/3
Would lose their babies in the water and drown. The water was later dumped put hence the "throwing the baby out with the bath water"
Is that ye olde equivalent to leaving your baby in a turned off, windows up car in august for an hour while you look at magazines?
RezaQin
Never apologize for being a man or white.
doitthehemingway
That's racist.
vIRLWarlock
Virtue of character
Kbantar
Neither pride nor shame for what you are, only what you do.
OphelianAshe
But if you're thinking 'bout my baby, it don't matter if you're man or white
glitterdemon
With the corollary: but don’t be a dick about it.
turomar
i'm sorry for apologizing for that.
tempestfoxthree
Never apologise for things outside your control period.
copperdomebodhi
Middle-aged white man. Never been asked to apologize. Realities about discrimination are realities - no reason for me to feel insecure.
SophieClockwise
I don't feel a need to apologize for anything I've done, including being white, straight, and male. But I *would* like to distance myself 1
from some of the other dudes in my cohort. 2/2
purdhapley
...but....but.... i thought I was the devil?...
Did you see in our patriarchy handbook? We're the bad guys, all of us. They went over this at the last shadow cabal meeting.
twoblackhands
Sorry I was asleep
Right. It’s in the minutes, newsletter, and the recruitment ads.
Jdonkay
The downvotes are insane
keraos
I'm a man, but I can change, if I have to. I guess.
UnpopularOpinionPuffinPersonified
Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati
Red Green was a fantastic role model.
ForgivingCat
Sorry.
pizzapartyhard
What about for being Canadian?
madinspace
You have to apologize for that until trudeau gets voted out, then you can stop. Source: I'm Canadian
hugozaanen101
Good night, white pride.
Voltair
What about being Indian? Imgur seems to have a problem with that.
BojackTheHorsemanDontActLikeYouDontKnow
Me & my cis white bro coders are allies with Indian dudes. We do tend to KLPD ourselves a but though...
The dots or the wawas?
Skizzlesnap
Casino or tech support?
Oooo that’s way better, I’m keepin that! I say “dots or wawas” because a friends mom said it whn I was little & I’m still amused 20yrs later
I’ve always heard dot or feather but not wawa. I like the twist.
tenaciousOther
I dont think its Indian so much as a specific kind of thirsty observed in Indian men on Facebook
That's the starting point, but it usually descends into racism from there.
Seems like an easy step, I'm sorry to here it
Lickycat
Really? I've never seen actual racism on Imgur except against white people. Could you tell me you experience?
Perfectlynormalhumanbieng
Youve never seen racisim on imgur?! Where can i buy those rose colored glasses you wear?
I quantified it by saying "actual racism". I don't count racist jokes. I mean specifically hate for another race.
The whole thing with Indian men being painfully obnoxious online generally spirals into being racist.
I've seen the joke, I've never seen it spiral into racism.
But if you have then I'm sorry to hear that.
TwoThumbsInABum
Sad you can’t be accepted because of things outside of your control. Isn’t that the same point of view the other side holds?
Revadarius
We're at a catch 22 that equality is being weaponized against the oppressors (white guys). So we're being taught the sins of our peers...
... and fathers to shame us. And the law, society, politics, education are overcompensating and demonising that particular demographic...
...for existing, because of shit they didn't do. Like rubbing a dog's nose in piss, except there's no piss. And it happens for every...
... little infraction.
lewdandlascivious
Isn't that some shit? We fight on the common ground that should bring people closer.
AllThePups
Agreed, you shouldn’t have to apologize for what race or gender you were born with.
MrBoopleSnootFluffkins
Or for criticising my new fur jacket. There's a prize for the person who gets that reference.
ilikehornets
maybe nazis shouldn't use "white pride" as a dog whistle
DanielMurphyIsGod
So you're a Nazi if you're proud to be white? If you're proud to be African African are you also a Nazi? Sounds like a double standard
I don't see an issue in anyone being proud of their heritage, it just happens that a person screaming "white pride" means something else
So why is it okay to scream "black pride" that's all I'm saying. You're missing my point, I'm not advocating for white supremacists
Because the word "black pride" hasn't been taken over by racial supremacists AFAIK, it doesn't carry the negative connotations
BionicBeach
WE TAKIN OUR WORD BACK
Literally no sane human being says that. Have you ever actually encountered a white supremacist? Not over the internet, in real life
Catitapillar
Yes, buuuut, use your power for good; don't abuse your unmerited clout to keep the status quo.
Predicto
And also never pretend you are "being forced to apologize" when in reality you are just being asked to not to be a raging sexist or racist
Shhh. You're interrupting the "Straight white men have it worse than anyone else in the history of ever" circle-jerk.
shytkatapult
Yeah, it is Wednesday. I forgot.
drdopehat
Nobody ever said that
rmgurfrommars
You get that that's what the quote from the systemically oppressed old white lady says, right?
But that isn't what she says...
LOL you clearly haven't been reading the comments on this post. "i CaN't bE sTraIgHt wHiTe mAn oR eLsE i'M EVIL!!! WAHHHHH!"
Yes I have, nobody says that. There really are people who say straight white men are bad people..its what the Gillette commercial was about
xKaraKx
"Its okay to be white"
ViolentPanda
Calm down. Its not larping time nazi
Calm down. Im Black. Idiot.
Thats what a nazi would say
Reported for hate speech you NAZI
I laughed
arachnoides
I fear this has not been taken as a joke...
I get the joke don’t worry
storebrandproductmascot
Pretty much nobody says otherwise. They just object to racism, and racists disingenuously take that as an objection to their very whiteness.
tlbohon
Not all racists are white. Not all whites are racist.
The controversy over some papers with that exact quote would disagree
cading
Never apologize for being you regardless of race,sex, or sexual orientation.
wjdzm
Nah. You don’t need to generalize it like that. Man. White. Straight. These are the labels. You don’t see people apologizing for being trans
I like this much better.
You already have the whole month of July to make this point. nothing but sheepish rhetoric at this point.
boatymcboatfaceplant
Never apologize. (Sorry)
iguanodont
This
gypsyspot
Some people should apologize
WoeToHice
Here's a perfect example of taking a good idea too far. "Never apologize for being a white or man" and "never apologize for being you" (1/2)
both sound reasonable, but you can apply only one of those to, say, Brock Turner. (2/2)
I honestly don't understand what point you're trying to make here.
iwanttoeatlols
There's a difference between apologising for being you, and being apologetic about crimes you commited
Dondarian
Your point is the most correct.
Wirefish
Raised by a Canadian. Apology is a form of group recognition, not a display of remorse.
RoombaTheAssaultVacuum
Anyone who downvotes your comment has a problem. They can come find me waiting in Kodiak Alaska to settle it if they want.
Gayforbae
Areyouin44
What if I just always wanted to go to Alaska?
What if the fite was just a ploy to get you to accept your inner self and take the trip you've always wanted?
AvgWhiteShark
On my way. Please send coordinates to bear cave.
After you get off the plane, fourth igloo on the right.
Have the salmon ready.
I mean...I wouldn’t mind getting into a fight with a vacuum..
I will suck your shit up bro.
This bear can type
I'm a roombas vacuum cleaner, dumbass.
you suck
CaptainBigButt
Did you attend pitbull's concert?
Nah.
Unless you're straight, white, and a man in American politics.
*Looks at Congress* Hmm, over 75 percent men, over 75 percent white, over 98 percent straight. *wonders what point is being made here*
ExtraExtraExtraUpvote
You know the world has gone too far when i can't tell if this satire or not
drainbamage1011
We've been in a post-satire society for a while now.
fjjyrd
Sadly he's serious. I kind of see his point, I can't remember a single straight white male president off the top of my head.
Arbitrarynamehere
Unironically whining that white men are oppressed.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/suicidesintheunitedkingdom/2018registrations
cyborganism
Heterosexual cis-gendered white man has become synonymous with evil itself.
Torquemada10110
Only if you let it..
This is what happens to people's brains after several years of subjecting themselves to anti-feminist memes.
No it hasn't. That's just what you wannabe victims keep telling yourselves. Maybe get off Twitter for a day or two.
Solid advice for everyone tbh :)
It's what they tell themselves while simultaneously basking in the privilege they don't even know they have.
It's the most wide-spread straw-man there is: "Privilege means everyone has it easy. I don't have it easy, therefore there's no privilege!"
BunkerJohn
proxster9
Thats bs and u know it
Of course I do.
GeorgePotompkin
Whiteness is used a perjorative increasingly and there's patriarchy, male gaze, and toxic masculinity. Swap male for another descriptor.
Dude you have spent too much time on tumblr. In the real world people have a problem with toxic masculinity
Is that a typo, or are you agreeing with what I said about toxic masculinity?
Applewhite5
The patriarchy hurts men, too.
https://imgur.com/account/favorites/zFwAcdB
Toxic gendered expectations is a better way of saying what you mean. For good or for ill, the word patriarchy is tied to misandry now
It shouldn't be. But you're right.
Vaanhalen
Gigantic eyeroll
Was it with a hair flick or a deep exhale? Or just a really sassy gigantic eyeroll that didnt need anything else?
scroty
Not sure if sarcastic or not but you do realize no one's advocating for a patriarchy, just that pendulum has swung way to far to other side.
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
If it had gone to the other side we'd be in a matriarchy. We're not even close.
That's wildly incorrect. Women have yet to reach the social control that men have had for centuries, let alone surpass it.
Won't stop some from trying.
Hahahaha! Love the word you used. "Control". That's exactly what this movement is about. It's not equality, thisocement wants control.
You've VASTLY misunderstood my comment... I never said that women were trying to take control, just that men have had it... Lern two reed.
Again, the comedy keeps raging. You also end sentence with "let alone surpass it". Clearly that is your goal. Lrn 2 write.
The pendulum hasn’t even reached the middle yet lol
RogerTheCactus
In 1st world countries it has. There will always be some sexist people out there but that doesn't mean we still live in dark age.
Oh? Are there more women than men in leadership positions now?
Not sure why you're getting downvoted. Men are clearly still in a position of privilege. Comment above says the same thing & is +8 currently
....I suspect you don't know what oppression truly is.
NiskanensBureaucrats
The jerk circle is raging
Except this isn't the patriarchy hurting men.
drmuelr
But it *is* direct blowback from countless generations of patriarchy, so kinda depends how you look at it...
MovedToast
Well yeah, but you can blame everything on anything if you wind the clock back far enough.
If the patriarchy gets the blame for everything bad in the past few centuries then it should also get credit for all the good. And frankly,
the past has a hell of a lot more good than bad, in which case I’d say ‘patriarchy, fuck yeah!’ Alternatively we could ignore ‘patriarchy’
and anyone who uses that silly word to put forth silly ideas which can only survive when hiding behind silly words.
Opportunist
You're soooo right. How about you go back in time as a black female slave?
Except it kind of is. The idea that men are the ones who go to war is categorically true, in no small part because men have been in control.
Rheios
I wrote something longer at first but to sum it back up - that issue is way more complex than who has control, and I wonder if that matters
Broadly-speaking, you'd be correct. However if we're talking about certain facets, then who is in control of those facets absolutely (1)
matters. Nothing in society exists in a vacuum. Cause and Effect might be unpleasant, but it's reality. (2/2)
Shaming children for the actions of their ancestors isn't the Patriarchy. You're going off on a tangent.
Eh. I don't see this quote as shaming those kids. Lessing mentions how they look, but that seems like some slight embellishment to me.
I don't know that I really see a 9-10 year old "apologizing for their existence" unless they also misunderstood the concept that men, (1)
especially in the modern context, are responsible for wars. (2/2)
Thetiredmechanic
We'd like to believe justice is blind but the truth is wealthy straight white men just can't get a fair shake (paraphrased from Frasier) xD
HeProtecAndAttac
Honestly in everyday life as a guy I don't feel any kind of reason or right to "fight back" as I witness women have to deal with way more
CandiedCorn
So did she speak up and call the teacher out on her bullshit?
berlinson
But, I’m a male who was raised by a feminist mum, and I never felt the need to apologise for my existence.
khm01
Assumption that men are violent is wrong. The assumption that all men are cowed and afraid to stand up for themselves is also wrong.
SunAnvil
"Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent" - Isaac Asimov. When Mr. Asimov wrote this he referenced "men" but it works for anyone.
alecdshope
Life isn't a zero-sum endeavor. Small minds never really grasp that.
onewallpaperaweek
AZRAELSBLADE
Well not that shocked
Sunmonster
sevendragonsandababy
Real feminism is an upheaval of restrictive patriarchy, uplifting both men and women, rather than just flipping the script
sickburn
It’s like everyone alive now forgot about how we go through this “feminism doesn’t mean hating men” realization every ten fucking years.
Ozarck
Education is a lifelong process. There are new people born every day, and all ideas are new to someone.
zwinzCookieTerror
Whaaaaaaat
Allworknoplay82
somethingsomethingmcbob
The system of patriarchy fucks over men and women by confining them to narrow roles. And both women & men have been to blame for status quo.
confanity
That's cool and all, but let's "fight back" by dismantling sexism on our terms, instead of defending rapists by sending death threats.
Ozarck
I'm sure Ms Lessing would agree with that sentiment.
confanity
Shiny. :)
ScrapMechanicKid
Something I'm quite annoyed by is people who say they follow this mentality but they think a minority in a video game is "white genocide".
BangusDangus
I mean, lets be real tho, angry feminists truly are a very small minority, just a loud one.
Ozarck
If you say something often enough, people believe it. That's why television, radio, and the internet are such powerful ideological drivers.
GreatScatt
That's true. I saw a meme about it.
GreatScatt
There are a lot of angry anti-feminists too. Dont really hear imgurians ranting about them tho.
BangusDangus
Imgur likes its little anti-feminism circle jerk. "BuT wHaT aBoUt ThE mEn?" Men dont get groped at their jobs as often as women, sorry
Jusmar
And have enough sway to make companies think there is a market for their corrupted version of feminism.
Normalface
Some people think it's necessary to diminish others to elevate themselves rather than understanding elevation is mostly personal.
TongueTiedLabourerfromtheLandoftheLittlePeople
To diminish Hipsters, Emos, Fedoras, Karens, Bimbos, Incels, Nerds, Vegans, Stoners, Sluts, Creeps, Baby boomers, Conservatives, /
TongueTiedLabourerfromtheLandoftheLittlePeople
/Liberals, Furries, Bronies, Weebs, SJW’s, Fedora’s.
SidneyHarbor
Because people are told to fight for what's right, not to partner for what's right. You win a fight by destroying your enemy.
catsandmuffins
So well said.
GoldFrieza
I heard stuff like that as a kid. Usually made the boys smile & laugh. "Yeah we're warriors, hahaha."
PrinceOfSpace
Treat someone like a monster, they become one. Treat them as undesirable, they will act the same towards society.
Doolally
I'm not a hot chick and therefore I don't get the treatment of a desirable person but at least I might be less likely to be raped so yay
haveyouheardabouttheseinternetmemes
um... wat?
BoredCreep
That's basically the plot of the Joker movie.
ohthatwordbumsmeout
These kinda posts on here just crack me up. Men: why is everyone so mean to us?! Next post: hot girls with big boobs. http://i.imgur.com/4lE
Ozarck
Way to shame men for their sexuality, and demonstrate the point.
zwinzCookieTerror
This is great
butwhyisthenamegone
Apparently a legit quote https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2001/aug/14/edinburghfestival2001.edinburghbookfestival2001
onewallpaperaweek
Thank you random internet citizen, I was just about to research it.
SteampunkMage
Thanks for looking it up so I don't have to!
cyno01
Isnt going to keep the incel types from twisting the fuck out of it.
Ozarck
or the anti-incels from bitching about incels before they say anything.
thehumanoidsarecoming
People that react to feminism now fail to realize how radical things were through the 70's-90's, she was reacting in 2001 to sentiments like
thehumanoidsarecoming
"women shouldn't choose to be stay at home mothers" and small movements that tried to get pantyhose and other sexy leg coverings banned
thehumanoidsarecoming
so that only sensible cotton socks would be legal, which is about the same level that most of the complaints you see online about feminism
thehumanoidsarecoming
come from now. Weirdo fringe groups that in previous decades we would have recognized as fringe and moved on. Feminism on the whole is
thehumanoidsarecoming
far less radical now, the thing thats changed is that every moron is free to make themselves in to a public figure, and other morons listen.
1Kodey1
BoyFromOklahoma
Now, imagine the teacher. Reading this quote and slowly coming to the realization that she done fucked up.
teakasaurus
It seems unlikely to me that she will read it, & even less likely that she will realize it was about her. People poor in thought rarely do.
noobletron
Typically extremists of any sort are extremists because they are incapable of doing just that
exlurker42
numonster
In my class t'was taught the glass ceiling didn't exist: women are incapable of those jobs. Sucks all round. Teach kids better on all sides.
snarflex
Now we're taught that there are no differences in preferences, behavior or anything else between men and women, and never suggest otherwise.
GreatScatt
Well, since men and women are a composite of individuals with individual preferences, seems like suggesting otherwise would be inaccurate.
ArchAzazel
Well we can look at patterns. And men have a lower chance of cervical cancer. Men are typically more violent. Women have better color vision
ArchAzazel
2/3 You can explain away some differences with culture, but have you ever had too much or too little testosterone or estrogen?
Notathreatforhumanityy
The fact that a group might not have a single behavioral trait thats common ammongst all members, doesnt mean that on average they 1/2
Notathreatforhumanityy
Arent more likely to behave in a particular way in comparation to another group. Biological and sociological dispositions exist.
GreatScatt
Right proper feminism battles sexism on all sides. Limiting one class to elevate the other is wrong.
Imayhavebeenhacked
I cant stand newer kids tv shows. The boys/men/fathers are always complete idiots and the girls are always smart problem solvers.
GreatScatt
It's a reverse from pre-80's where women were daft but pretty. Hopefully we'll level out in the future and write good shit for everyone.
onlyhalfghost
Haven't seen a sitcom in the past thirty years, then?
Imayhavebeenhacked
i only watched cosby knightrider and animaniacs as a kid. my kids watch this newer disney crap and it infuriates me.
onlyhalfghost
The pattern you describe matches almost every live action sitcom (and hell, Family Guy, American Dad, and The Simpsons too) since the 90s.
SugarRay59
When inversion of a trope goes wrong. It's all homer's fault.
stratus41298
And it's a respected source! Well done! Have a meme!
Grim1337
HedonistBeard
That is truly the perfect meme for a post about difficult issues surrounding sexism, culture, and societal backlash.
Theirandbackagain
Y'all NONE BUT THE FRINGE ELEMENTS OF FEMINIST IDEOLOGY ARE PREACHING ANYTHING ELSE.
komododave
Be moderate and be forgotten
dreammer243
Thank you. I don't doubt this happens and it shouldn't -- but often these incidents are brought to light to discredit the entire movement.
smoakit
And the "fringe" just happen to be all in politics and getting a lot of support from the "moderates", is that right?
haveyouheardabouttheseinternetmemes
Examples?
smoakit
You can see every time a white man does something bad its blame all white and/or all men. But a muslim? A black man? A woman? "We can't let>
smoakit
< the actions of a few define the rest of the group" despite the fact that white men per capita commit the least amount of violent crime of>
smoakit
< all groups, so much so that they have to define Hispanics as "Hispanic whites" at the DoJ to make the graph even close. But no, please, >
SidneyHarbor
If her point is schooling, we have absolutely failed. Men used to be 2/3 of college students. By 2000, 4 girls in college for 3 boys. 1/2
Theirandbackagain
Totally agreed, this was the content of my master's thesis. Me, a feminist man in the Psychology department.
iDrinkDrano
Is that more women or less men though? Legitimately interested in seeing the stats.
SidneyHarbor
Boys are being told they are worthless, so they believe it and don't go to college anywhere near as much as girls now. 2/2
daftthoughts
Sources?
SidneyHarbor
https://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d18/tables/dt18_322.20.asp?current=yes for degree counts by gender.
SidneyHarbor
For the "why" of it happening, there's been a few decades of research and of course - it's highly politicized. Numbers don't lie though.
DrSparken
This is number of conferred degrees. Most universities still report equality or majority men entering, however men have a much higher >
Theirandbackagain
ALSO DORIS LESSING IS DEBATABLY FEMINIST BY MANY INTERPRETATIONS AND IMPLYING THERE IS SOME MONOLITHIC FEMINIST APPROVAL OF IDEAS IS ABSURD
nevoreJunkie
Nice gatekeeping
iDrinkDrano
Literally the opposite of gatekeeping. Individuals denouncing the bad agents is how a group keeps them out.
Theirandbackagain
Not gatekeeping, clarifying that 1. Feminism is a broad umbrella of ideas and that 2. claiming "feminism's favorite authors" is a misleading
Septcanmat
You don’t get to simultaneously claim that feminism is a broad umbrella and that there are fringe elements. One claim validates the
Septcanmat
extremes, they other denounces them. So which is it?
thatssnotmyname
Sorry, just talked to feminism yesterday, they agree that they are indeed a single monlithic being with the goal of transforming men to fuel
Theirandbackagain
Fuck, you were on that call? Ran a little long and I had to jump to another conference about how they gay agenda is moving along
dreammer243
Did they get to how trans people plan to improve their scheme to be fooling people?
Theirandbackagain
That particular line item got pushed to next week's meeting :/
ARandomFinch
It's not the 'innate violent nature of men' it's the 'innate greed of politicians and the corporations who sponsor them'.
disabledwerewolf
Aren't those typically run by men? Not saying I agree with the premise, but this doesn't seem to work as a counter point imo.
KingKolunikus
You can't blame all men for what a small subset of men does. If all A are B, it doesn't necessarily follow that all B are A.
PowwerOrb13
It works because it's shifting the blame from 50% of human population to a handful of corrupt officials
Ilasiak
Typically run by men because there are more men willing to give up pretty much everything for a job/position. Even women who have become >
Ilasiak
> CEOs and other high positions have stated that many of their female peers wouldn't put in the weekend, overtime, and extra effort that >
Ilasiak
> many people look at for promotions. For most people in high positions, it wasn't easy to get there.
ARandomFinch
Women in those positions are as corrupt as the men. It's like the saying, 'all squares are rectangles, but not all rectangles are squares'.
minibois
We should be empowering each other, instead of trying to make the other seem worse.
Fr1edToast
Typical woman. Making the issue seem like both sexes are at equal fault.
Gooberiffic
This right here
Hereagain
This is true of all things. Disagreeing doesn't mean the other person is evil. Well, about most things.
WyldStallynsRule
Absolutely, but we need to break down systems. We must differentiate between personal attacks and critiques of entrenched power.
BeNNyBooZe
Well, it's much easier to lower someone else than it is to improve yourself.
PigsWeGetWhatPigsDeserve
But that’s the US way: everything is thought to be a zero sum game.
Mairoa
Also, that inherent violence crap is used as an excuse for violent behavior from the shittiest few. Show them the problems, not shame
cepacolusmaximus
mmartin762
It's team sports.
RadicalLeftist
When was the last time you saw a radical feminist on this site? When was the last time you saw something anti feminist on this site?
minibois
I don't remember either.. But I am still curious as to what you mean by this comment?
RadicalLeftist
That there arent many radical feminists and they arent actually causing a problem but imgur and reddit like to bring them up constantly.
minibois
I understand what you mean - but I wanted to make my point in a broader discrimination sense.
RadicalLeftist
It wasnt meant as accusatory to you, more op
AnotherReplyToIgnore
'Empowering' is the wrong word, it implies someone is already less powerful or needs to be more powerful. People need to learn compassion.
minibois
That was definitely not the implication I was going for. I meant 'empowering' more in a 'people can feel self-conscience about their >
minibois
< ability to do certain things and encouraging other will empower them in these endeavors'. Kind of in that way.
cepacolusmaximus
But that's haaaard
HomicidalDirtMuppet
Exactly! Feminism is about equality and respect not superiority
Zokalwe
It is about whatever the most people who call themselves feminist make it. Both hateful feminazis and ppl who understand this quote are 1/
Zokalwe
2 the extremes, with most others falling somewhere in between. Not hateful of men, but not having given much thought to this. Hell, the
Zokalwe
3 interpretation "when you've been privileged, equality feels like oppression" is still common whenever it is raised. saw it here just
Zokalwe
4/4 yesterday, upvoted of course. People just can't seem to handle a view of privilege other than a pure binary.
fredh67
Not just feminism, either; lifting up one demographic doesn't mean putting down another, but people often think it's one and the same.
zaphas86
Feminism *should be* about equality and respect, but is often (very often) bastardized into being about superiority.
Doshegotabooty
No, that’s what lots of men think it is. It literally IS about sexes being different, but equally important humans.
testtickles
Cooperation versus competition. But Americans LOOOOOOVE their competition...
kaztas
They love underdogs overcoming and persevering. Sometimes inflating the "under" in "underdog"...
fredh67
They used to, but now they mostly love to be outraged.
ShyBasilisk
And offended
cepacolusmaximus
The fearful and small minded have always been this way. They're just noisy.
VitaminJay
"Don't be a dick." --Literally every faith.
LatumWay
lol you're fucking with us right
PietroAretino
Literally any human being born with a moral compass, which is at least 95% of us.
mypasswordwascorrectasshole
Literally just mine, don’t really think there’s a higher power I guess. I feel good just by being nice, that’s all I go by
haveyouheardabouttheseinternetmemes
*proceeds to act dickishly* - Followers of literally every faith
Septcanmat
Alas, dicks gonna dick, regardless of faith.
haveyouheardabouttheseinternetmemes
Atheists too! Dick behavior is pretty universal.
ElectricSpacePotatoes
Dont be a dick, Except to THOSE PEOPLE -- literally every faith
Septcanmat
Maybe yours but not mine.
ElectricSpacePotatoes
Sure buddy what ever you say.
smoakit
Theres one that doesn't really have that...
DamnedAustin
You're right. Christianity has a long history of being dicks to just about everyone else, including other, slightly different Christians.
PietroAretino
Although I agree with the sentiment entirely, I'd be willing to bet my entire life savings that the majority of all wars were due to men.
rouxmorgue13
most likely gods or religon
PietroAretino
I agree, but it was the males calling the shots. Also all predominant religions are patriarchal as fuck.
PietroAretino
I have a dick by the way, I am a guy.
Jusmar
Why did men start those wars?
PietroAretino
Anger, hate, aggression, power, money, wealth, land, women, religion.
GreatScatt
Power should be first, but also, how do you get a large mass of people to follow you? create an enemy and fight it.
TheLesserOfTwoWeevils
The idea men aren't fighting back against feminism? Every other front page post is about it.
datphone777365
So your saying its 50/50...seems balanced/s
PietroAretino
You do realize making stupid memes on stupid social media websites isn't a "fight" or a way to "stick it to the man" right? It does nothing.
TheLesserOfTwoWeevils
Much like feminist tumblr quotes aren't in any way oppression of men? They do nothing. And they do prove men are hardly ashamed and too /1
TheLesserOfTwoWeevils
/2 scared to speak out.
PietroAretino
Yeah, sure to all of that I guess.
Septcanmat
Yah, unfortunately feminism, even extreme feminism, is institutionalized and wields real power which in some circumstances is oppressive.
Doshegotabooty
Feminists do not hate men. Men are just threatened by the idea that women are just as important as men.
TheLesserOfTwoWeevils
[citation needed]
Septcanmat
Ever had to specify your sex and/or race on a job application? How about attend ‘sensitivity’ training?
TheLesserOfTwoWeevils
NB: There are undoubted situations where things are biased against men but I doubt you could prove that feminism was to blame. Since /1
Septcanmat
A good example is look at what happened to Cassie Jaye a feminist film maker who wanted to make a documentary about the Mens Rights Movement
KeyLimeGreen
Moral of the story is don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. If your victory is at the expense of someone who should be 1/2
Gameking116
As long as the bath water doesn’t belong to a gamer girl..... or everyone will lose their minds! /s
MrHashSlingingSlasher
Gamas rise up
RottedOnion
It's part of the reason trump was elected and will be reelected. His base has been called shit in media for so long they just said fuck it
KeyLimeGreen
Your partner, it isn't a true victory. 2/2
thehumanoidsarecoming
Problem here is that this actually has calmed down, you have to go extremely far down the ladder and in to social media to find what
thehumanoidsarecoming
people rant about as being "feminism" now. It's ridiculous.
Coyce
could be applied to the current debate blizzard banning players for hurting blizz image and violating their contracts
Lucritas
Like all wars
jimmyhowlett
That's why I hate the punching-up defence. Why not try to build a society where no one is punched instead?
secretdpp
It's easier to tear someone else down lower than you are, makes it seem like you're better
jimmyhowlett
Yeah so discourage punching down but dont encourage punching up
NauticalRimJob
Only punches in the form of those half-hearted arm punches your friend gives you when you roast him. Those "oh, you" kinda punches.
ParaBellumOutfitters
But, but - that's non-intersectional wrongthink, comrade!
realargonwolf
Plz no, the word "wrongthink" gives me a nervous tic. I think I'm allergic to buzzwords.
ODSTsRule
To hell with that BS, anyone who believes in it should be put into Science Camps where they LEARN until they realize how stupid they were
ODSTsRule
And im only half sarcastic about that idea. To many people think "internet" is more credible than actual experts/doctors etc.!
AZRAELSBLADE
CoughcoughTheKurdsCoughcough
USD1
Yes let us continue to fund one militant group against another militant group we are also funding.
WorkerLurker
The Kurdish are an ethnic group is the largest difference here, and it’s often not recognized
SugarRay59
I am willing to support the group offering asylum to religious minorities left to die by every other faction.
BaronVonJoeJoe
Sorry. Very pissed off with recent events.
BaronVonJoeJoe
Oh and they actually have some sort of equal rights? Have been our allies for years. Imprison our actual enemies like ISIS.
HellaFishsticks
Would you like to buy some bathwater?
LrrrRulerofThePlanetOmicronPerseiVIII
Those particular men we can safely rubbish, I’d say
stratus41298
God that was so ridiculous.
HedonistBeard
And profitable.
stratus41298
And apparently toxic to that guy who drank it.
Dreadhawk
Only if I will get sick from drinking it. Otherwise, what's the point?
Ihatecornbeef
I heard of these so called celebs selling bath water ( twitch streamers etc ) so at this point I'm too afraid to ask if your kidding ...
dizzyturtle
Is that you Belle?
ShaneEngland
Turns out it was just tap water
CheshirePhoenix
Dude who bought it got sick when he drank it, so it must've come from Flint.
CaptainClarification
Does it still have the baby in it?
ReasonablySorryButNotTooMuch
Well, I am a thirsty gamer...
CloseupCaptionReaction
All of imgur is thirsty. Gamers and non-gamers alike
ArandomDane
Isn't Imgur a game? have i been playing it wrong all this time? If is it not a game why is there a point counter? Help! my existence!
CloseupCaptionReaction
In the words of playstation :"life's a game. Enjoy the ride"
Rovolloth
i lost the game
murphyland
Fun fact! The saying come from the medieval time when they use to take communal baths a few times a year (the only baths they took) 1/2
murphyland
Men would go first followed by woman and children. The water was so murky by the time that the woman and children would go that people 1/3
murphyland
Would lose their babies in the water and drown. The water was later dumped put hence the "throwing the baby out with the bath water"
ShyBasilisk
Is that ye olde equivalent to leaving your baby in a turned off, windows up car in august for an hour while you look at magazines?
RezaQin
Never apologize for being a man or white.
doitthehemingway
That's racist.
vIRLWarlock
Virtue of character
Kbantar
Neither pride nor shame for what you are, only what you do.
OphelianAshe
But if you're thinking 'bout my baby, it don't matter if you're man or white
glitterdemon
With the corollary: but don’t be a dick about it.
turomar
i'm sorry for apologizing for that.
tempestfoxthree
Never apologise for things outside your control period.
copperdomebodhi
Middle-aged white man. Never been asked to apologize. Realities about discrimination are realities - no reason for me to feel insecure.
SophieClockwise
haveyouheardabouttheseinternetmemes
I don't feel a need to apologize for anything I've done, including being white, straight, and male. But I *would* like to distance myself 1
haveyouheardabouttheseinternetmemes
from some of the other dudes in my cohort. 2/2
purdhapley
...but....but.... i thought I was the devil?...
smoakit
Did you see in our patriarchy handbook? We're the bad guys, all of us. They went over this at the last shadow cabal meeting.
twoblackhands
Sorry I was asleep
Gooberiffic
Right. It’s in the minutes, newsletter, and the recruitment ads.
Jdonkay
The downvotes are insane
keraos
I'm a man, but I can change, if I have to. I guess.
UnpopularOpinionPuffinPersonified
Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati
Septcanmat
Red Green was a fantastic role model.
ForgivingCat
Sorry.
pizzapartyhard
What about for being Canadian?
madinspace
You have to apologize for that until trudeau gets voted out, then you can stop. Source: I'm Canadian
hugozaanen101
Good night, white pride.
Voltair
What about being Indian? Imgur seems to have a problem with that.
BojackTheHorsemanDontActLikeYouDontKnow
Me & my cis white bro coders are allies with Indian dudes. We do tend to KLPD ourselves a but though...
teakasaurus
The dots or the wawas?
Skizzlesnap
Casino or tech support?
teakasaurus
Oooo that’s way better, I’m keepin that! I say “dots or wawas” because a friends mom said it whn I was little & I’m still amused 20yrs later
Skizzlesnap
I’ve always heard dot or feather but not wawa. I like the twist.
tenaciousOther
I dont think its Indian so much as a specific kind of thirsty observed in Indian men on Facebook
Voltair
That's the starting point, but it usually descends into racism from there.
tenaciousOther
Seems like an easy step, I'm sorry to here it
Lickycat
Really? I've never seen actual racism on Imgur except against white people. Could you tell me you experience?
Perfectlynormalhumanbieng
Youve never seen racisim on imgur?! Where can i buy those rose colored glasses you wear?
Lickycat
I quantified it by saying "actual racism". I don't count racist jokes. I mean specifically hate for another race.
Voltair
The whole thing with Indian men being painfully obnoxious online generally spirals into being racist.
Lickycat
I've seen the joke, I've never seen it spiral into racism.
Lickycat
But if you have then I'm sorry to hear that.
TwoThumbsInABum
Sad you can’t be accepted because of things outside of your control. Isn’t that the same point of view the other side holds?
Revadarius
We're at a catch 22 that equality is being weaponized against the oppressors (white guys). So we're being taught the sins of our peers...
Revadarius
... and fathers to shame us. And the law, society, politics, education are overcompensating and demonising that particular demographic...
Revadarius
...for existing, because of shit they didn't do. Like rubbing a dog's nose in piss, except there's no piss. And it happens for every...
Revadarius
... little infraction.
lewdandlascivious
Isn't that some shit? We fight on the common ground that should bring people closer.
AllThePups
Agreed, you shouldn’t have to apologize for what race or gender you were born with.
MrBoopleSnootFluffkins
Or for criticising my new fur jacket. There's a prize for the person who gets that reference.
ilikehornets
maybe nazis shouldn't use "white pride" as a dog whistle
DanielMurphyIsGod
So you're a Nazi if you're proud to be white? If you're proud to be African African are you also a Nazi? Sounds like a double standard
ilikehornets
I don't see an issue in anyone being proud of their heritage, it just happens that a person screaming "white pride" means something else
DanielMurphyIsGod
So why is it okay to scream "black pride" that's all I'm saying. You're missing my point, I'm not advocating for white supremacists
ilikehornets
Because the word "black pride" hasn't been taken over by racial supremacists AFAIK, it doesn't carry the negative connotations
BionicBeach
WE TAKIN OUR WORD BACK
DanielMurphyIsGod
Literally no sane human being says that. Have you ever actually encountered a white supremacist? Not over the internet, in real life
Catitapillar
Yes, buuuut, use your power for good; don't abuse your unmerited clout to keep the status quo.
Predicto
And also never pretend you are "being forced to apologize" when in reality you are just being asked to not to be a raging sexist or racist
DamnedAustin
Shhh. You're interrupting the "Straight white men have it worse than anyone else in the history of ever" circle-jerk.
shytkatapult
Predicto
Yeah, it is Wednesday. I forgot.
drdopehat
Nobody ever said that
rmgurfrommars
You get that that's what the quote from the systemically oppressed old white lady says, right?
drdopehat
But that isn't what she says...
DamnedAustin
LOL you clearly haven't been reading the comments on this post. "i CaN't bE sTraIgHt wHiTe mAn oR eLsE i'M EVIL!!! WAHHHHH!"
drdopehat
Yes I have, nobody says that. There really are people who say straight white men are bad people..its what the Gillette commercial was about
xKaraKx
"Its okay to be white"
ViolentPanda
xKaraKx
Calm down. Its not larping time nazi
ViolentPanda
Calm down. Im Black. Idiot.
xKaraKx
Thats what a nazi would say
smoakit
Reported for hate speech you NAZI
Lickycat
I laughed
arachnoides
I fear this has not been taken as a joke...
mypasswordwascorrectasshole
I get the joke don’t worry
storebrandproductmascot
Pretty much nobody says otherwise. They just object to racism, and racists disingenuously take that as an objection to their very whiteness.
tlbohon
Not all racists are white. Not all whites are racist.
xKaraKx
The controversy over some papers with that exact quote would disagree
cading
Never apologize for being you regardless of race,sex, or sexual orientation.
wjdzm
Nah. You don’t need to generalize it like that. Man. White. Straight. These are the labels. You don’t see people apologizing for being trans
haveyouheardabouttheseinternetmemes
I like this much better.
Fr1edToast
You already have the whole month of July to make this point. nothing but sheepish rhetoric at this point.
boatymcboatfaceplant
Never apologize. (Sorry)
iguanodont
This
gypsyspot
Some people should apologize
WoeToHice
Here's a perfect example of taking a good idea too far. "Never apologize for being a white or man" and "never apologize for being you" (1/2)
WoeToHice
both sound reasonable, but you can apply only one of those to, say, Brock Turner. (2/2)
haveyouheardabouttheseinternetmemes
I honestly don't understand what point you're trying to make here.
iwanttoeatlols
PowwerOrb13
There's a difference between apologising for being you, and being apologetic about crimes you commited
Dondarian
Your point is the most correct.
Wirefish
Raised by a Canadian. Apology is a form of group recognition, not a display of remorse.
RoombaTheAssaultVacuum
Anyone who downvotes your comment has a problem. They can come find me waiting in Kodiak Alaska to settle it if they want.
Gayforbae
Areyouin44
What if I just always wanted to go to Alaska?
RoombaTheAssaultVacuum
What if the fite was just a ploy to get you to accept your inner self and take the trip you've always wanted?
AvgWhiteShark
On my way. Please send coordinates to bear cave.
RoombaTheAssaultVacuum
After you get off the plane, fourth igloo on the right.
AvgWhiteShark
Have the salmon ready.
teakasaurus
I mean...I wouldn’t mind getting into a fight with a vacuum..
RoombaTheAssaultVacuum
I will suck your shit up bro.
iguanodont
Gayforbae
iguanodont
This bear can type
RoombaTheAssaultVacuum
I'm a roombas vacuum cleaner, dumbass.
iguanodont
you suck
CaptainBigButt
Did you attend pitbull's concert?
RoombaTheAssaultVacuum
Nah.
smoakit
Unless you're straight, white, and a man in American politics.
Predicto
*Looks at Congress* Hmm, over 75 percent men, over 75 percent white, over 98 percent straight. *wonders what point is being made here*
ExtraExtraExtraUpvote
You know the world has gone too far when i can't tell if this satire or not
drainbamage1011
We've been in a post-satire society for a while now.
fjjyrd
Sadly he's serious. I kind of see his point, I can't remember a single straight white male president off the top of my head.
Arbitrarynamehere
Unironically whining that white men are oppressed.
ExtraExtraExtraUpvote
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/suicidesintheunitedkingdom/2018registrations
cyborganism
Heterosexual cis-gendered white man has become synonymous with evil itself.
Torquemada10110
Only if you let it..
storebrandproductmascot
This is what happens to people's brains after several years of subjecting themselves to anti-feminist memes.
DamnedAustin
No it hasn't. That's just what you wannabe victims keep telling yourselves. Maybe get off Twitter for a day or two.
teakasaurus
Solid advice for everyone tbh :)
rmgurfrommars
It's what they tell themselves while simultaneously basking in the privilege they don't even know they have.
DamnedAustin
It's the most wide-spread straw-man there is: "Privilege means everyone has it easy. I don't have it easy, therefore there's no privilege!"
BunkerJohn
proxster9
Thats bs and u know it
cyborganism
Of course I do.
GeorgePotompkin
Whiteness is used a perjorative increasingly and there's patriarchy, male gaze, and toxic masculinity. Swap male for another descriptor.
proxster9
Dude you have spent too much time on tumblr. In the real world people have a problem with toxic masculinity
GeorgePotompkin
Is that a typo, or are you agreeing with what I said about toxic masculinity?
Applewhite5
The patriarchy hurts men, too.
haveyouheardabouttheseinternetmemes
https://imgur.com/account/favorites/zFwAcdB
nevoreJunkie
Toxic gendered expectations is a better way of saying what you mean. For good or for ill, the word patriarchy is tied to misandry now
haveyouheardabouttheseinternetmemes
It shouldn't be. But you're right.
Vaanhalen
Gigantic eyeroll
datphone777365
Was it with a hair flick or a deep exhale? Or just a really sassy gigantic eyeroll that didnt need anything else?
scroty
Not sure if sarcastic or not but you do realize no one's advocating for a patriarchy, just that pendulum has swung way to far to other side.
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
If it had gone to the other side we'd be in a matriarchy. We're not even close.
DamnedAustin
That's wildly incorrect. Women have yet to reach the social control that men have had for centuries, let alone surpass it.
Jusmar
Won't stop some from trying.
scroty
Hahahaha! Love the word you used. "Control". That's exactly what this movement is about. It's not equality, thisocement wants control.
DamnedAustin
You've VASTLY misunderstood my comment... I never said that women were trying to take control, just that men have had it... Lern two reed.
scroty
Again, the comedy keeps raging. You also end sentence with "let alone surpass it". Clearly that is your goal. Lrn 2 write.
Applewhite5
The pendulum hasn’t even reached the middle yet lol
RogerTheCactus
In 1st world countries it has. There will always be some sexist people out there but that doesn't mean we still live in dark age.
Applewhite5
Oh? Are there more women than men in leadership positions now?
haveyouheardabouttheseinternetmemes
Not sure why you're getting downvoted. Men are clearly still in a position of privilege. Comment above says the same thing & is +8 currently
BoredCreep
....I suspect you don't know what oppression truly is.
NiskanensBureaucrats
zwinzCookieTerror
The jerk circle is raging
BoredCreep
Except this isn't the patriarchy hurting men.
drmuelr
But it *is* direct blowback from countless generations of patriarchy, so kinda depends how you look at it...
MovedToast
Well yeah, but you can blame everything on anything if you wind the clock back far enough.
Septcanmat
If the patriarchy gets the blame for everything bad in the past few centuries then it should also get credit for all the good. And frankly,
Septcanmat
the past has a hell of a lot more good than bad, in which case I’d say ‘patriarchy, fuck yeah!’ Alternatively we could ignore ‘patriarchy’
Septcanmat
and anyone who uses that silly word to put forth silly ideas which can only survive when hiding behind silly words.
Opportunist
You're soooo right. How about you go back in time as a black female slave?
DamnedAustin
Except it kind of is. The idea that men are the ones who go to war is categorically true, in no small part because men have been in control.
Rheios
I wrote something longer at first but to sum it back up - that issue is way more complex than who has control, and I wonder if that matters
DamnedAustin
Broadly-speaking, you'd be correct. However if we're talking about certain facets, then who is in control of those facets absolutely (1)
DamnedAustin
matters. Nothing in society exists in a vacuum. Cause and Effect might be unpleasant, but it's reality. (2/2)
BoredCreep
Shaming children for the actions of their ancestors isn't the Patriarchy. You're going off on a tangent.
DamnedAustin
Eh. I don't see this quote as shaming those kids. Lessing mentions how they look, but that seems like some slight embellishment to me.
DamnedAustin
I don't know that I really see a 9-10 year old "apologizing for their existence" unless they also misunderstood the concept that men, (1)
DamnedAustin
especially in the modern context, are responsible for wars. (2/2)