Mar 16, 2021 11:14 PM
kingbudo101
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streetcatz
I thought this had to do with nice legs. I feel old
Ryanator50
So it's basically a fine for telling the truth or standing up for your fellow man.
soulman901
Virtual Pets...... You know normally I’m not a big union guy but I think Amazon employees need to unionize to stop this fuckery
Whatisthesecretofsoylentgreen
ThailandExpress
Amazon employee probably /s
choakid999
Gamification Galvan be a force for good. This is not that.
Fucjing autocorrect
Ulthirm
-- most of us have been asking for a resource like this in the warehouse and people are acting this way only because it's Amazon
ConformistWithACause
There's a guy at work who just says "money" anytime management tries to thank him for work
Gwaeron86
Management 'thank him for work' - what is this you speak of?
Xyzair
I respect that.
The guy is honestly kind of a piece of crap but I can appreciate that. We don't even get pizza parties, we get a pat on the back
NotAThrowAwayJustDontWantToUseMyRealName
I hate to say it, but gamification fucking works to get people to hit targets they wouldn't pay much attention to otherwise.
Tarmaccian
This. Games make granular targets, with easily-adjusted priorities over other tasks. Pay raises just aren't as precisely effective.
worldsbiggestnickelbackfan
So the worst thin, according to the CCP, is cheating on online games. Go figure.
Don't worry about it too much. The infographic actually describes a fantasy version of the credit systems, not how the real systems work.
Exnur
Looking at the chart, I don't think the offenses are listed in any particular order - seems that one is just written at the bottom.
Nah, the worst thing is getting caught.
Shaodyn
What the workers want: benefits, living wages, rights. What they get: bullshit "incentives" meant to distract them from the real problems.
GodFuckingDamnitVanEyck
A starting wage of $15/hour + day one benefits, what exactly are you bitching about?
IDK, how about the fact that Bezos literally hired spies to report anyone trying to unionize?
benjaNoodleLord
Amazon employee here, Many competitive games are already implemented in FCs, most of which have us competing for swag-bucks 1/2
Swag bucks are Amazon’s mom dollars, we can only use them to buy things like sweaters and water bottles
Sebastopol
Sorry to hear that. Corporate currency comes straight from Dystopia and 19th century worker exploitation
YouEatYellowSnow
One day closer to the Foxconn suicide nets.
Habitman
Union busting is disgusting!
Giveitasqueeze
Fulfillment centers sound dystopian as f.
boxwithgod
Replacing incentive based programs such as x amount of pieces per hour.
dledbetter94
Actual amazon employee here. FC games are actually pretty fun.... and a nice addition to an otherwise pretty boring job.
European perspective: you are out of your bloody mind. Cheers mate.
You don't like to have fun at work? YOU are out of your bloody mind.
Dickslover
It's not an exciting job but it's exactly what you expect when you sign up. I don't mind it at all.
Cozysockdrawer
Wasn't this a Black Mirror episode?
mrPoopieButt
50000 merits - or something like that
thedissident
Bingo.
shotsfayed
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nosedive_(Black_Mirror)
RyanHaynes
The way the article describes it sounds less like gamification and closer to the standard office "perks".
Askarus
This is the step in capitalism before they send all the low earners to an island and Jeff bezos hunts them for sport
MoschopsUK
Fuck yes. Make them compete against each other. So long as they see each other as the enemy they'll never look up.
Forscalebananas
Yup
samanthathecat
Welcome to American politics 101.
tarptastic
This sounds like a now version of the Hunger Games.
ElbowDeepInAPoliceState
Alternatively, you get them used to cooperating and then they start being a bit too... united
NZSheeps
"We need to lay off three staff. Here are some weapons, you decide."
LtKifKroker
That's way too close to what the Joker did in "Dark Knight" for comfort
BanCannon
And that's how the manager was fired.
mikeatike
Stabbed himself to death 36 times. How sad.
TheNewYellowZealot
That’s just the hello experiment with fewer steps
Belko
Also known in Japan as “salaryman battle royale”
L0rdinquisit0r
Rest of staff watch & bet on outcome "win an extra 5 minutes break!"
Jell2
I love how we're pretending that it's just amazon's doing, when we are using amazing for our own benefit. We're part of the problem.?
ChalkCoatedDonut
Bezos will see his employees dying the same as Sims being killed, what's new?
not his employees soon (at the beginning of April)
GnomeDeGuerre
Corporations can be hostile entities. They can be motivated to take your rights away.
Harryteeters
Paying me more, and not virtual pets, helps me work harder
Sheldonian
Next thing you'll be talking about unions and shit, bI think it's time to let you go
Left4dawn
I have been at Amazon since we payed 12.25 and now pay at 16.00, I haven’t seen people work harder as a whole performance wise
GroumphLePreux
We find your lack of trust here... disturbing. HR will call you to discuss the matter.
TevishSzat
Sadly research disagrees. Human motivation is fucked.
HistoryDogs
It’s almost like it’s really difficult to get people excited about being repetitive work for long shifts.
You don’t go to work for excitement
“Find a job you enjoy doing, and you will never have to work a day in your life.” - maybe Mark Twain, but attributed to others also.
IhopeyougetstageIIIcoloncancer
Spoken like someone who'd never cared for a tamagochi.
agonarch
Ever drop one and knock the battery loose for a split second, resetting it? D:
Nobody cared for their tamagotchi
Faultrsa
Yeah, I agree with your sentiment - unfortunately paying someone more doesn't actually motivate them.
Agisek
I love how we're pretending it's just Amazon and not every single fucking company in the world
RedLetterMediaReactionGifs
Who's pretending it's only amazon? They just happen to be the biggest cunt in the room, so they get special attention.
RowanUnderwood
The fact that Amazon is scared shitless gives me hope.
FrolickingFrolicking
“I love how we’re pretending it’s just nuclear weapons that are destructive, and not firecrackers and water balloons too.” Scale.
Aragorn91
Bigger picture. Its the system thats fucked, not the components. The current model of capitalism that's utilised by the world is responsible
itsthejacket
not for nothing but when i got covid i was told stay at home for a month with full pay and come back when up to it. I like my company
LunaLucia
But not every single company does it and by showing that it works Amazon is paving the way for others to do the same.
Like Facebook has normalized that stealing and selling peoples personal information is okay.
MeatPopsicleMultiPass
Mine gives $50 gift cards if you slave your ass off for the quarter. As an econ major, one person committed about $510 a week in (1/2)
Opportunity loss by working 15 extra hours a week (15x$34). Salary based, but hey... made $50 over 3 months!
AccountCreatedToUpvoteDogs
My bonus would be 1% higher if I exceeded expectations which translates to "does more than 40hrs a week". No thanks.
ValueBear12
It is but Amazon is just the transparent about it because they’re so huge and set to takes over the world.
I work for Amazon and even on the pack side we do the same stuff. We run pack competitions. Fastest packer for an hour gets an extra break
afatrollofmyown
Imagine if you unionized and everyone could have an extra break. Daily.
We do give people two 20 minute paid breaks and a 30 minute lunch.
I´m sorry.
MrTay
Ok I get why Amazon doing this is shitty but it also seems like it would be kind of fun in a non toxic company. Like an actual merit based1/
True, but reality is never like that, I can imagine the boss using the points you get in the game also to see if you care about the company
xXxSTEVOxXx
Here's a cool non-toxic merit based way to increase productivity. It's called a living wage and benefits.
wazeewa
Can't do that. Sounds like socialism!
I agree that’s what I mean when I say a non toxic company. You still get people doing the bulk of the work though and assholes. I also 1/
What about this. I come to work. I do work. Boss pays me. No money is spent on mind games.
Think it could be fun if done correctly. Gamefying something isn’t always a bad thing. It doesn’t have to be one or the other
All these people bashing Amazon without ever having worked there, and just being complete fuckups in their own lives. They don't want a
Oh look, someone without an actual shred of experience trying to talk shit, then when he gets called on it, resorts to posting meme pictures
"living wage" because Amazon already pays EVERYONE the so-called living wage at minimum, and you can make better money if you want. These
people want to be "rich" working a fucking warehouse job coming out of high school.
Reward system. So the people doing the bill of the work get compensated but it obviously have to have a meaningful reward structure.
MoskauHOHOHO
it would be a meaningful reward structure if it offered something of more value to the employees than virtual pets
Wubbalubbadubdubb101
Oh you mean like something they could use in exchange for goods and services to help improve their lives? If only there was such a thing...
yes exactly. keep your pizza parties, your luncheons, your raffles, just give me more money, if you "appreciate" my hard work
brakiachi
Except the end of it is always thst doing good in the game is its own reward and doing poorly is a firing
MrSaintNick
No, I gotta agree with MrTay here. Done properly, it likely would be rewards only, not punishments. Then let quarterlies determine 1/?
where staff needs improvement or if they should change positions if they are putting in effort but just lacking in results. Then if 2/?
they can't improve or fit anywhere, it should be time for the axe to drop.
It's like saying that if our world were perfect we could try this thing that would utterly fail in an our actual imperfect world.
No this is something that IS working reasonably well in actual world. I won't go into specifics, but the company I am working for is...
Bulk*
DontLookUpFairyflies
Don't mind me,
Espeer
Minus 100 points for him. Plus 100 for the tank drivers.
MightyZephyr
TheRimOfTheSky
Most of what look like bodies are actually bikes. I only count 4 or 5 bodies
sicsided
http://www.cnd.org/June4th/massacre.html well if you want more photos of Tiananmen Square massacre, here ya go
kevinallover
Oh shit /r/sino is leaking
Holy shit I was making an observation, not praising the chinese government.
No more pointing out things in pictures for me I guess.
Goddamn you people really have to make a problem out of nothing. I dare to point out something about the image and get downvoted.
Miyamotofan
Oh so they only murdered 4 or 5 people? You know that's still tyranny, right?
When the fuck did I claim it wasn't tyranny? I was literally just making an observation when I noticed most of them were bikes. Wtf?
Just seemed like you were trying to downplay what happened, which is usually taken as a defense of the actions.
Amazon: "lets make slave labor fun!"
Ahh yes, "slave labor" at $15/hour minimum...
vermillionpenguin
Amazon: "This is a game to help make work fun!" Later: "You rank in the bottom 5% in our 'game', we're going to have to let you go."
TheYellowOne
The only thing that makes slave labor fun is killing yo masters.
tevyethemad
Solidarity with Bessemer and tell your Senators to PASS THE PRO ACT.
LooseyGooseyBrett
How much is a fair wage for Amazon warehouse employees?
less about the wages and more about the lack of breaks and letting employees use the bathroom
I think it really varies by location. My warehouse gives us frequent breaks and I can use the bathroom whenever.
SiberianYettis
I have worked in an Amazon Warehouse during the holidays. It isnt slave labor. The conditions aren't bad. The pay is fine. Stop this.
dontrike
Oh shit, well if you were fine I guess all those fired for taking a piss should be forgiven. Thank you for curing it.
MadHakon
In addition to holding Amazon accountable, we ought to also call out the people who use their services excessively -- and I've noted (1)
that sometimes these people are the same who complain about how awful Amazon is. I've heard so many excuses about how Amazon (2)
has become such a necessity that people cannot live without, but let's be real here, that's an excuse made by these hypocrites. Amazon (3)
isn't so essential people will die on the streets without their services. The average American with some money to spend, regardless of (4)
political affiliation is the mindless consumer, another cog in the cruel machine of unceasing capitalism.
yeaaadude
It’s not a cot. It’s a temporary rest platform. Just think of it as you home away from us :)
It's not involuntary labor if you have to apply for the job even if you need to work to live.
njjb00612
"We just want decent wages and working hours and health insurance.." "...LETS PLAY A GAME"
Amazon does give health insurance and it’s pretty decent. Outside of “Peak” you should only need to work 40 hours
streetcatz
I thought this had to do with nice legs. I feel old
Ryanator50
So it's basically a fine for telling the truth or standing up for your fellow man.
soulman901
Virtual Pets...... You know normally I’m not a big union guy but I think Amazon employees need to unionize to stop this fuckery
Whatisthesecretofsoylentgreen
ThailandExpress
choakid999
Gamification Galvan be a force for good. This is not that.
choakid999
Fucjing autocorrect
Ulthirm
-- most of us have been asking for a resource like this in the warehouse and people are acting this way only because it's Amazon
ConformistWithACause
There's a guy at work who just says "money" anytime management tries to thank him for work
Gwaeron86
Management 'thank him for work' - what is this you speak of?
Xyzair
I respect that.
ConformistWithACause
The guy is honestly kind of a piece of crap but I can appreciate that. We don't even get pizza parties, we get a pat on the back
NotAThrowAwayJustDontWantToUseMyRealName
I hate to say it, but gamification fucking works to get people to hit targets they wouldn't pay much attention to otherwise.
Tarmaccian
This. Games make granular targets, with easily-adjusted priorities over other tasks. Pay raises just aren't as precisely effective.
worldsbiggestnickelbackfan
So the worst thin, according to the CCP, is cheating on online games. Go figure.
Tarmaccian
Don't worry about it too much. The infographic actually describes a fantasy version of the credit systems, not how the real systems work.
Exnur
Looking at the chart, I don't think the offenses are listed in any particular order - seems that one is just written at the bottom.
Xyzair
Nah, the worst thing is getting caught.
Shaodyn
What the workers want: benefits, living wages, rights. What they get: bullshit "incentives" meant to distract them from the real problems.
GodFuckingDamnitVanEyck
A starting wage of $15/hour + day one benefits, what exactly are you bitching about?
Shaodyn
IDK, how about the fact that Bezos literally hired spies to report anyone trying to unionize?
benjaNoodleLord
Amazon employee here, Many competitive games are already implemented in FCs, most of which have us competing for swag-bucks 1/2
benjaNoodleLord
Swag bucks are Amazon’s mom dollars, we can only use them to buy things like sweaters and water bottles
Sebastopol
Sorry to hear that. Corporate currency comes straight from Dystopia and 19th century worker exploitation
YouEatYellowSnow
One day closer to the Foxconn suicide nets.
Habitman
Union busting is disgusting!
Giveitasqueeze
Fulfillment centers sound dystopian as f.
boxwithgod
Replacing incentive based programs such as x amount of pieces per hour.
dledbetter94
Actual amazon employee here. FC games are actually pretty fun.... and a nice addition to an otherwise pretty boring job.
Sebastopol
European perspective: you are out of your bloody mind. Cheers mate.
GodFuckingDamnitVanEyck
You don't like to have fun at work? YOU are out of your bloody mind.
Dickslover
It's not an exciting job but it's exactly what you expect when you sign up. I don't mind it at all.
Cozysockdrawer
Wasn't this a Black Mirror episode?
mrPoopieButt
50000 merits - or something like that
thedissident
Bingo.
shotsfayed
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nosedive_(Black_Mirror)
RyanHaynes
The way the article describes it sounds less like gamification and closer to the standard office "perks".
Askarus
This is the step in capitalism before they send all the low earners to an island and Jeff bezos hunts them for sport
MoschopsUK
Fuck yes. Make them compete against each other. So long as they see each other as the enemy they'll never look up.
Forscalebananas
Yup
samanthathecat
Welcome to American politics 101.
tarptastic
This sounds like a now version of the Hunger Games.
ElbowDeepInAPoliceState
Alternatively, you get them used to cooperating and then they start being a bit too... united
NZSheeps
"We need to lay off three staff. Here are some weapons, you decide."
LtKifKroker
That's way too close to what the Joker did in "Dark Knight" for comfort
BanCannon
And that's how the manager was fired.
mikeatike
Stabbed himself to death 36 times. How sad.
TheNewYellowZealot
That’s just the hello experiment with fewer steps
TheNewYellowZealot
Belko
TheNewYellowZealot
Also known in Japan as “salaryman battle royale”
L0rdinquisit0r
Rest of staff watch & bet on outcome "win an extra 5 minutes break!"
Jell2
I love how we're pretending that it's just amazon's doing, when we are using amazing for our own benefit. We're part of the problem.?
ChalkCoatedDonut
Bezos will see his employees dying the same as Sims being killed, what's new?
kingbudo101
not his employees soon (at the beginning of April)
GnomeDeGuerre
Corporations can be hostile entities. They can be motivated to take your rights away.
Harryteeters
Paying me more, and not virtual pets, helps me work harder
Sheldonian
Next thing you'll be talking about unions and shit, bI think it's time to let you go
Left4dawn
I have been at Amazon since we payed 12.25 and now pay at 16.00, I haven’t seen people work harder as a whole performance wise
GroumphLePreux
We find your lack of trust here... disturbing. HR will call you to discuss the matter.
TevishSzat
Sadly research disagrees. Human motivation is fucked.
HistoryDogs
It’s almost like it’s really difficult to get people excited about being repetitive work for long shifts.
Left4dawn
You don’t go to work for excitement
HistoryDogs
“Find a job you enjoy doing, and you will never have to work a day in your life.” - maybe Mark Twain, but attributed to others also.
IhopeyougetstageIIIcoloncancer
Spoken like someone who'd never cared for a tamagochi.
agonarch
Ever drop one and knock the battery loose for a split second, resetting it? D:
HistoryDogs
Nobody cared for their tamagotchi
Faultrsa
Yeah, I agree with your sentiment - unfortunately paying someone more doesn't actually motivate them.
Agisek
I love how we're pretending it's just Amazon and not every single fucking company in the world
RedLetterMediaReactionGifs
Who's pretending it's only amazon? They just happen to be the biggest cunt in the room, so they get special attention.
RowanUnderwood
The fact that Amazon is scared shitless gives me hope.
FrolickingFrolicking
“I love how we’re pretending it’s just nuclear weapons that are destructive, and not firecrackers and water balloons too.” Scale.
Aragorn91
Bigger picture. Its the system thats fucked, not the components. The current model of capitalism that's utilised by the world is responsible
itsthejacket
not for nothing but when i got covid i was told stay at home for a month with full pay and come back when up to it. I like my company
LunaLucia
But not every single company does it and by showing that it works Amazon is paving the way for others to do the same.
LunaLucia
Like Facebook has normalized that stealing and selling peoples personal information is okay.
MeatPopsicleMultiPass
Mine gives $50 gift cards if you slave your ass off for the quarter. As an econ major, one person committed about $510 a week in (1/2)
MeatPopsicleMultiPass
Opportunity loss by working 15 extra hours a week (15x$34). Salary based, but hey... made $50 over 3 months!
AccountCreatedToUpvoteDogs
My bonus would be 1% higher if I exceeded expectations which translates to "does more than 40hrs a week". No thanks.
ValueBear12
It is but Amazon is just the transparent about it because they’re so huge and set to takes over the world.
Left4dawn
I work for Amazon and even on the pack side we do the same stuff. We run pack competitions. Fastest packer for an hour gets an extra break
afatrollofmyown
Imagine if you unionized and everyone could have an extra break. Daily.
Left4dawn
We do give people two 20 minute paid breaks and a 30 minute lunch.
Sebastopol
I´m sorry.
MrTay
Ok I get why Amazon doing this is shitty but it also seems like it would be kind of fun in a non toxic company. Like an actual merit based1/
Sheldonian
True, but reality is never like that, I can imagine the boss using the points you get in the game also to see if you care about the company
xXxSTEVOxXx
Here's a cool non-toxic merit based way to increase productivity. It's called a living wage and benefits.
wazeewa
Can't do that. Sounds like socialism!
MrTay
I agree that’s what I mean when I say a non toxic company. You still get people doing the bulk of the work though and assholes. I also 1/
xXxSTEVOxXx
What about this. I come to work. I do work. Boss pays me. No money is spent on mind games.
MrTay
Think it could be fun if done correctly. Gamefying something isn’t always a bad thing. It doesn’t have to be one or the other
GodFuckingDamnitVanEyck
All these people bashing Amazon without ever having worked there, and just being complete fuckups in their own lives. They don't want a
xXxSTEVOxXx
GodFuckingDamnitVanEyck
Oh look, someone without an actual shred of experience trying to talk shit, then when he gets called on it, resorts to posting meme pictures
xXxSTEVOxXx
GodFuckingDamnitVanEyck
"living wage" because Amazon already pays EVERYONE the so-called living wage at minimum, and you can make better money if you want. These
GodFuckingDamnitVanEyck
people want to be "rich" working a fucking warehouse job coming out of high school.
MrTay
Reward system. So the people doing the bill of the work get compensated but it obviously have to have a meaningful reward structure.
MoskauHOHOHO
it would be a meaningful reward structure if it offered something of more value to the employees than virtual pets
Wubbalubbadubdubb101
Oh you mean like something they could use in exchange for goods and services to help improve their lives? If only there was such a thing...
MoskauHOHOHO
yes exactly. keep your pizza parties, your luncheons, your raffles, just give me more money, if you "appreciate" my hard work
brakiachi
Except the end of it is always thst doing good in the game is its own reward and doing poorly is a firing
MrSaintNick
No, I gotta agree with MrTay here. Done properly, it likely would be rewards only, not punishments. Then let quarterlies determine 1/?
MrSaintNick
where staff needs improvement or if they should change positions if they are putting in effort but just lacking in results. Then if 2/?
MrSaintNick
they can't improve or fit anywhere, it should be time for the axe to drop.
RedLetterMediaReactionGifs
It's like saying that if our world were perfect we could try this thing that would utterly fail in an our actual imperfect world.
MrSaintNick
No this is something that IS working reasonably well in actual world. I won't go into specifics, but the company I am working for is...
MrTay
Bulk*
DontLookUpFairyflies
Don't mind me,
Espeer
Minus 100 points for him. Plus 100 for the tank drivers.
MightyZephyr
TheRimOfTheSky
Most of what look like bodies are actually bikes. I only count 4 or 5 bodies
sicsided
http://www.cnd.org/June4th/massacre.html well if you want more photos of Tiananmen Square massacre, here ya go
kevinallover
Oh shit /r/sino is leaking
TheRimOfTheSky
Holy shit I was making an observation, not praising the chinese government.
TheRimOfTheSky
No more pointing out things in pictures for me I guess.
TheRimOfTheSky
Goddamn you people really have to make a problem out of nothing. I dare to point out something about the image and get downvoted.
Miyamotofan
Oh so they only murdered 4 or 5 people? You know that's still tyranny, right?
TheRimOfTheSky
When the fuck did I claim it wasn't tyranny? I was literally just making an observation when I noticed most of them were bikes. Wtf?
Miyamotofan
Just seemed like you were trying to downplay what happened, which is usually taken as a defense of the actions.
kingbudo101
Amazon: "lets make slave labor fun!"
GodFuckingDamnitVanEyck
Ahh yes, "slave labor" at $15/hour minimum...
vermillionpenguin
Amazon: "This is a game to help make work fun!" Later: "You rank in the bottom 5% in our 'game', we're going to have to let you go."
TheYellowOne
The only thing that makes slave labor fun is killing yo masters.
tevyethemad
Solidarity with Bessemer and tell your Senators to PASS THE PRO ACT.
LooseyGooseyBrett
How much is a fair wage for Amazon warehouse employees?
kingbudo101
less about the wages and more about the lack of breaks and letting employees use the bathroom
Dickslover
I think it really varies by location. My warehouse gives us frequent breaks and I can use the bathroom whenever.
SiberianYettis
I have worked in an Amazon Warehouse during the holidays. It isnt slave labor. The conditions aren't bad. The pay is fine. Stop this.
dontrike
Oh shit, well if you were fine I guess all those fired for taking a piss should be forgiven. Thank you for curing it.
MadHakon
In addition to holding Amazon accountable, we ought to also call out the people who use their services excessively -- and I've noted (1)
MadHakon
that sometimes these people are the same who complain about how awful Amazon is. I've heard so many excuses about how Amazon (2)
MadHakon
has become such a necessity that people cannot live without, but let's be real here, that's an excuse made by these hypocrites. Amazon (3)
MadHakon
isn't so essential people will die on the streets without their services. The average American with some money to spend, regardless of (4)
MadHakon
political affiliation is the mindless consumer, another cog in the cruel machine of unceasing capitalism.
yeaaadude
It’s not a cot. It’s a temporary rest platform. Just think of it as you home away from us :)
xXxSTEVOxXx
It's not involuntary labor if you have to apply for the job even if you need to work to live.
njjb00612
"We just want decent wages and working hours and health insurance.." "...LETS PLAY A GAME"
Left4dawn
Amazon does give health insurance and it’s pretty decent. Outside of “Peak” you should only need to work 40 hours