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JamesProton
Doesn't help that they post a mug shot for the old guy and a yearbook photo for the rapist.
Theforgottenartoffuckey
What a great country we live in
TsengMao
Not sure if anyone realizes this. He did end up getting only 3 months for "good behavior". He's been out since last September.
orangedoorhinge
money talks and poor people go to jail
BarrackHusseinIslamabama
I'm going to guess the veteran got fucked by the three strike law, which means he has commited 2 prior felonies. Ridiculous nonetheless
forcella
Horrible!! I hope one day people can revisit Lee's case and see the injustice
SirBrendan
Mandatory minimums are awful, arbitrary, and damaging; how the fuck did he only get 6 months, we need a mandatory minimum.
Sendmefoxes
http://imgur.com/tRislJ0
Curadh
I just want to punch that fucker right in his smarmy, swimming face.
letstalknews
Top guy really got it bad because they didnt believe it was him who did it and put pressure on him to give up his son. He didnt.
cheesefish
That old guy kinda looks like Stanford Pines
Durff123
I hope that kid sees the error of his ways and changes after all this. It's a same about Brooker, especially with the marijuana laws now.
tattoolady1986
3001100113
So you're saying I can violate and destroy a person, but I can't just chill and smoke a bowl? I'm so confused...
Textuality
There was a case a little while ago of a woman who got into an argument with her boyfriend, punched him, then stabbed him in the leg. She
Textuality
was let off with nothing more than a warning, because "she's really smart, and it would hurt her prospects in the medical field".
dumpsterjedi1
Well his real crime was being poor. Filthy peasants.
thdudedude
It shouldn't just say rape. It should also include any psychological and physical affects that woman is going to live with for the rest of
thdudedude
her life.
NotaClipaMagazine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JN7_pqgK8V0
VoltageXL1
Thats already implied when using the word 'rape'.
thdudedude
Evidently not if a judge only thinks a rapist should get a few months of jail time
VoltageXL1
Class privilege
ImNotRacistBut
The class privilege of the judge following both the recommendations of the probation department and California sentencing guidelines?
kibbypie
Not if he shouldn't serve jail time over "20 minutes of action".
pinhead881
Slightly disappointed that the tag wasn't "cock turner".
mdperes4
Fuck Brock turner.
shalmdi
This is a bad comparison. Turner is a monster, but when you have two felonies on your record, maybe you just give up growing pot yeah?
shalmdi
Smoking marijuana should NOT be illegal, but if it is illegal in your state, I would recommend you avoid it.
lawideas
Somewhat deceptive. Brooker was sentenced under Alabama's 3-strikes law because he had two prior convictions for armed robbery. (1)
thepopeofchilitown
There's so many legit cases of excessive punishment for drug offenses and they chose a guy with violent crimes as their example.
lawideas
(2) You can argue it's an example of 3-strikes laws being too Draconian.
MacroManJr
Meh, I don't know. If you rob folks twice with a gun, I'm gonna hope you're not stupid enough to do something else wrong. Just me, though.
SirBrendan
3-strike rules is literally taking away the context and understanding of a justice system so you can have a fucking baseball analogy-madness
Rasmoh
The context is there though. You were given multiple chances to clean up your act and refused to do so. Actions have consequences.
SirBrendan
The action was recreational marijuana use. The consequence was life abused in a box without hope of release. Not exactly equal and opposite.
BarryGeibel
The action was growing and distributing marijuana on a large scale, not recreactional. I love pot too, but he fucked up.
Rasmoh
36 plants isn't recreational and he should have been in prison already for robbery, but was given one more chance. He chose his fate.
SaitamasFist
Hi, I'm Jon. A girl I knew claimed I raped her & I got sent to prison for 7 years. Hi, I'm Liz. I lied about the rape and will get 2 months.
SaitamasFist
My point? Sentencing is fucked up in this country. Insanely fucked up.
beatlegs
oh, i thought your point was don't believe rape victims
criticallyacclaimedfuckwad
This is true and I agree, however that is why us regulars do what we can to continue the awareness of the severity of the 1/2
NotaClipaMagazine
I don't think you should use the Turner example. It was far from clear cut. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JN7_pqgK8V0
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criticallyacclaimedfuckwad
2/2 crime, since our justice system can't seem to get it right with $dollar signs$ surrounding the perpetrator.
colbyku3
He wasn't convicted of rape. He has no priors, was young, and character witnesses help tremendously. POS? Yep. Freed rapist? No.
Orion1189
You can still be a rapist, even if you aren't a convicted rapist. Kinda like OJ isn't a convicted murderer... but is probably a murderer.
Orion1189
Not that I disagree with your sentiment here, btw.
colbyku3
Read the whole case. He's a garbage human but I don't understand the obfuscation of facts and obsession with this kid.
theyar
I read the whole case. There was virtually no reliable evidence, and none of the evidence refuted his version of events.
KingKoopasErectPenis
This isn't a great example, but when you see minor drug offenders being given longer sentences than murderers and rapists,something is wrong
itsybitsyspider
Except this man had two priors for armed robbery. That's pretty big.
omgrektfaggotop
So rich people are getting special treatment while us regular folk get the shaft?
MindlessJellyfish
More like a felon getting caught is tried differently than a first offence who wasn't proven beyond a reasonable doubt to be guilty.
omgrektfaggotop
from what I remember it was a plea deal for brock the rapist. he pleads guilty and gets a reduced sentence.
omgrektfaggotop
nope not a plea deal he was actually found guilty in trial. is that beyond a reasonable doubt enough for ya?
cepheidvariable
Didn't you know? Drugs are more dangerous than rapists. In all seriously, fuck that kid. Preferably up his ass.
SuperIncoherentRantingMan
Don't underestimate a little aural sex. I'd be just fine trying my damnedest to shove it through his ear just to stir his gray matter.
TheBlackVan
fourkingbaker
Migotchi
Rape is bad, so let's have him be raped? Don't get me wrong, he's total scum, but that seems a tad hypocritical
Some1OnceToldMe
Oh thank god this comment is hear - didn't want to type it out myself! VERY TRUE THOUGH. Also victims of sexual assault often find...
SPAGHETTIMYMEATBALLS
To be fair tho wouldn't that definitely deter you? If you rape someone you in turn will get raped... Sounds fair (to an extent)
Barnstokkr
That's kinda the point of going to prison, it's meant to deter you from committing crimes...
SPAGHETTIMYMEATBALLS
Doesn't seem to work to well tho which is a shame
Some1OnceToldMe
...it stressful when people talk about beating/raping/hurting his or her attacker b/c it just adds more violence to the idea.
SatansBossDeath
Didn't think of that i wont vocalize what I'll do to him.
Some1OnceToldMe
*here
phe0n1x
Nah. Fuck him up the urethra
squirrelfury
Some people are into that.
phe0n1x
This is true.
ThatChecksOut
Yikes. Til.
HD226868
With a chainsaw.
Silverpython10
MyUserHeroes
WildBronyRob
Made of wasps.
criticallyacclaimedfuckwad
this... this made me giggle.
MasticatingMastodon
I'd like a picture of a wasp chainsaw please.
PaulyParker
3 dozen plants is a bit excessive. Can't claim that's for your own use. OK a life sentence is over the top but
wwodbb10
I'm guessing you don't know anything about cannabis. 3 plants is nothing, especially if he was using it medically.
PaulyParker
I'm guessing you know nothing about maths then? As the other bloke said 3 dozen is 36 you don't need that many. Clearly I know more than you
PaulyParker
But 6 months for rape? That's fucking terrible. Law doesn't make sense sometimes but you can't grow 36 plants & say it's all for you ahah
MindlessJellyfish
Though I have no evidence that something fishy happened between the judge and Turner, it seems that something happened between them. (1/?)
MindlessJellyfish
The judge said in his own words that Turner was remorseful, was not previously convicted of any crimes, was young, (2/?)
MindlessJellyfish
was not armed during the crime, that he would comply with the terms of probation, and he would not be a danger to others if not imprisoned
MindlessJellyfish
Also he wasn't convicted of rape, Turner was convicted in March on three felony counts for sexually assaulting an unconscious woman
fowlersleftfoot
While I whole heartedly agree with the sentiment of this post I'm dubious about that being all the old dude did to warrant that sentence
NephCohen
I think you mean... doobie-ous. ...I'll show myself out
poopstabber
If I had prior felonies and knew one more crime would cost me life in prison, I wouldnt grow weed. But let's sympathize the bad choice
Orion1189
You're focusing on the wrong thing here. No one's saying he didn't fuck up. Just that the punishments are bs, whether he was aware or not.
Booyah719
If Brock Turner rapes again he should definitely go to jail for at least like, 7 months.
Dandolo
How could you be so heartless? Seven months with all of those criminals for two simple unique once-in-a-lifetime "mistakes"?
criticallyacclaimedfuckwad
Actually it was. He had been convicted of prior felonies in FL 20 yrs prior and served his sentence, clean record since then. 1/2
PangolinBan
Then, without saying this isn't a travesty of justice anyway because it is, it's not all he did. Having served your time doesn't make 1/2
PangolinBan
2/2 the priors disappear. Your post implies he's convicted solely on the basis of that single case of drug trafficking, which is untrue.
DrewBerg
Oh fuck off dude. Priors, shmiors. It's a travesty either way. Weed should be legal and any prison time because of it is bull.
PangolinBan
Not saying it's not a travesty, but the principle applies outside drug convictions too. It's not about just weed. Petty theft has lead 1/2
criticallyacclaimedfuckwad
2/3 However in AL it is a mandatory Life sentence if you are caught in possession of more than a certain amount of weed and have priors. >
criticallyacclaimedfuckwad
Link to story: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/14/opinion/outrageous-sentences-for-marijuana.html?_r=0
Dagordae
Alabama has a horrendously broken and idiotic justice system? Who could have guessed.
Zerogates
He knew what would happen, broke the law twice before, broke the law again. Felonies mind you, not misdemeanors.
VoltageXL1
Weed laws so fucked up in the us. Feels good to be Canadian
Theforgottenartoffuckey
Florida? ..... yup
ImKimJongUnAndEverythingIsFine
Maybe then, just maybe, he shouldn't have...ya know...BROKEN THE LAW?
ProfessorTenebrae
That's not the point. The point us the punishment should fit the crime and it doesn't. Both did crimes. Yet rape has a lesser sentence.
godofboredum
Let's just make every crime a life sentence.
ImKimJongUnAndEverythingIsFine
That's some flawed logic there, mate. But if a law is currently in place you're a dumbass to break it.
fowlersleftfoot
Wow, I mean most western judicial systems have their flaws but, as with most of these things, America takes the cake
rubmymanclit
For being "the most free country" we have the highest incarceration rate
daveydwb
Gotta love the war on drugs...
criticallyacclaimedfuckwad
Agreed. Each of our states might as well be their own country since each has their own laws. Confusing and ridiculous.
CookingBaconDrunkAndNaked
That's kinda the point of America, each state is supposed to be able to function independently but chose to be a part of the United States.
IronicUsername
Also this https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/03/public-records-activist-violated-copyright-by-publishing-georgia-legal-code-online/
id12368
Turner's sentence is a joke! Brooker is a victim of unjust sentencing rules, but his past felony conviction can't be ignored. Both cases...
Kodaxmax
Imprisonment is meant to be temporary, stop them from hurting anyone while they are rehabilitated.
id12368
are the sad example of citizens voting on sentencing rules. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Carroll_Brooker_case
wheresthetoaster
I know that past records should be looked at when handing down a sentence, but a conviction from 30 yrs ago without any other incident?
Drougals
"Agree sentencing was excessive" then Rejected sentence review. Wtf
LordNoodles
Turner was based off the definitions of the state for rape. Digital sexual assault (finger banging) isn't rape PER that definition
Vertisce
Brooker is a victim of government overreach.
id12368
Incorrect. The sentencing law that has him locked up forever was passed on a ballot measure. The people passed the law...
daveydwb
And is enforced by the government.
IAlwaysUpvoteSexy
This is an incredibly baseless dumb argument.
TheGrumpyViking
This is an incredibly dumb argument
thedevil
This is a dumb argument.
daveydwb
Saying "well it was passed by the people so clearly it's what they want" is a dumb argument. They could have been mislead, lied to, etc.
id12368
so the sentencing judge had no choice as to the sentence. This is the whole problem with mandatory sentencing rules. It binds the judge.
lcplspanky
Ironic part is Brock's case is similar, because of California's laws saying he didn't rape, the sentencing was much lower than he deserved
lcplspanky
As much as we need to never forget what he did, the way the law is needs to not be forgotten till it's changed as well
daveydwb
And politicians love those laws, because it keeps the prisons full and their pockets lined with cash.
id12368
Boy this is the nail on the head! These fucked up politicians run on "tougher sentences" and this is what happens.
BirdDoctor
Idk why this was downvoted, american prisons are for profit... so are hospitals.
ErinFromTheOffice
Mandatory minimum cuz he was a felon: He was convicted of armed robbery for holding up multiple liquor stores (30 years before, but still)
droppedmic
Prison is a rehabilitation not a punishment, but it just ends up ruining lives. Lighter sentences for misdemeanors, death for the rest :D
BetterDemosthenes
If he served his time 30 years ago he payed his debt to society and this shouldn't bear on his sentencing, IMHO.
Memes4Cheap
would be nice if rape had a mandatory minimum other than "we know your rich daddy so you get off with a warning"
Bystandr
But its still a ridiculous sentence? Yes, I agree.
JuniperJupiter
And different jurisdictions/area, different judges, etc...
VeryFastWithACucumberNiceAndSlowWithAZucchini
Still...as a Canadian I find this extremely harsh.
Olyvver
Correct me if im wrong but is that not breaking the statute of limitations?
ErinFromTheOffice
He wasn't being charged with old crimes which is what statute of limitations is. Criminal record follows you forever.
Ninjainslippers
Are you suggesting that this is a just punishment or just pointing out the facts?
bushpotato
I was not aware there was a mandatory minimum for felons. Thank you for posting this, just one more thing I understand.
MrFnortner
The absurdity is that he was punished for the crime of committing a crime. How is that even allowed?
AbuseTheElderly
Yay Trump for doubling down on mandatory minimum sentencing! /Sarcasm
ErinFromTheOffice
Well, Sessions is.
AbuseTheElderly
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/policy-and-politics/2017/5/12/15597632/trump-sessions-war-on-drugs
ErinFromTheOffice
Read the article. Or even just the sub-headline. It's all about Sessions.
AbuseTheElderly
"In 2015, Trump outright told MSNBC that he’s “tough on crime.” He praised Vice President Mike Pence for increasing..."
AbuseTheElderly
" mandatory minimum sentences for drug crimes as governor of Indiana." I did read it. Who do you think is guiding the decision?
DrHouseSynch
Mandatory minimums are shitty though. Reduces thought or nuance. If he was really rehabilitated he didn't need life.
diamonddogftw
Ironic the contrast with of the 'evils' of mandatory sentencing are show by giving an example of why people want mandatory sentencing
Felchbelcher
It wasn't a minimum mandatory - it was his third strike as a felon.
DrHouseSynch
Prisons are packed as it is. But hey, maybe he'll go to a private prison and be cheap labor!
Isaypoopythingsbecausemostofyouannoyme
Also used the term "3 dozen" instead of 36 because it doesn't sound like as much. Where 36 plants is quite a few.
kittybuttwiggle
36 feels more substantial to me. "three dozen" feels like "not even enough to make it a bad idea to say it with words instead of numbers"
Tanishh
36 marijuana plants is a lot, sure, but it's still marijuana, man. You can get caught jaywalking 36 times too, doesn't make it terrible.
Isaypoopythingsbecausemostofyouannoyme
Oh I agree. I think marijuana charges are ridiculous either way. I was only pointing out their wording to make it feel less
JustSayingYouHaventSeenMeAndBatmanInTheSameRoomBefore
I also find the random mention of the fact he's a veteran when it has nothing to do with the story really annoying.
TyrannusEquus
All the time
HowAreWeAliveIfWeAreMadeOutOfThingsThatAreDead
A veteran you say? Well, gosh golly me, somebody help that man!
arachnoides
Someone here will say 'thankyou for your service' XD
EvilEkips
In America, ex-soldiers are considered special because of some reason. Someone once told me it had to do with how militaristic they are.
Hawkner
Bonus points for the hyper-radical comparison to over-exaggerate the pont
SundaysOnthePhonetoMonday
May as well mention Brock's swim record
Counterfit
That's what got him off
iarmit
EXACTLY! This bs is infuriating
ZacMuerte
Honestly, I think being a vet means jack shit for how good of a person you are. It's just a job that you chose. My enlisted friends agree.
QWTFODDBALL
I can't agree. It's not like some office job.
ScrooblyDoobles
Sympathy points. I'm a vet myself, and I hate that shit.
Skelletalmellons
I am annoyed by it because being a vet doesn't automatically make one a good person. Craplords can be in the military too.
JustSayingYouHaventSeenMeAndBatmanInTheSameRoomBefore
I served with a good mix of both, good and bad.
accidentalfritata
Kind of ironic isnt it?
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JustSayingYouHaventSeenMeAndBatmanInTheSameRoomBefore
Wow I feel so much better now
ScrooblyDoobles
https://media2.giphy.com/media/9K2nFglCAQClO/giphy.gif
cuzitsthere
Thank you for servicing me
dandelionbomb
Ha! Im using this next time I thank a military person.
ErinFromTheOffice
That's fuckin good.
ScrooblyDoobles
I hope it was as good for you as it was for me.
ErinFromTheOffice
You are a cunning linguist.
QWTFODDBALL
It matters. People who serve this country should be the last people to be smacked with a life wrecking unfair sentence.
Bodog01
Varies case to case. Some vets have seen some shit .Would that man commit crimes if he wasn't in the military? That's the question.
Kalboyo
(Not saying his sentence is fair) Whether you're a vet or not doesn't matter in court. And it shouldnt. Justice is blind. All that jargen.
KeeleonOhms
Why? If they break the law they should face the same punishment.
QWTFODDBALL
The point was that this punishment shouldn't have happened and its even worse since he served this country.
poopstabber
But still? He knew the consequences. I dont commit crimes because I know the consequences
ErinFromTheOffice
Not sure he knew that an out of state felony 30 years prior would trigger the minimum. Also it was based weight of full plants, not just bud
orangecicle
If I did something now and paid my time I shouldn't re-punished 30 years from now because America needs to 'fight drugs'
Jusmar
2nd offence stipulations apply to a variety of federal offences, not just drug charges.
orangecicle
Fine. Substitute drug charges for anything at all. Sheesh
poopstabber
How about stop breaking the law? Is that not an option?
orangecicle
Ans what if the law I break is having pot on my person when I'm not bothering anyone? Maybe the law is bullshit sometimes.
poopstabber
But it exists and as long as its there, we are all subject to the consequences
fowlersleftfoot
At no point did anybody say that he didn't deserve punishment, the original context was the disproportionate nature of the two sentences
IMadeThisAccountToFindANeatGif
You speak too much sense for this community
djk4m4kaz3
i fucking am the point is he was growing a fucking plant it should not be illegal to grow a god damned plant
pdxenburg
But the point was made in false pretense. He was just sentenced for growing pot
FartedWhileMakingUpName
If there are previous punishments that relate to the crime, they'll likely get additional time. Excluding those is misleading.
JustInLiberty
Ok then I'll say it. He didn't deserve punishment for this!
kittybuttwiggle
The comment you're replying to says that marijuana man's judgment is not as insane as it first seems because there is more to it
kittybuttwiggle
Turner is still pure scum though
ErinFromTheOffice
Okay, well, let's reframe both: Convicted felon found with kilo of marijuana gets life sentence. First time offender gets light sentence.
mrhobbybob
Ok good point
BirdDoctor
First time offender, thats it? Not rapist? Hes a cunt who expects to get everything he wants. I hope he gets raped in prison,
BirdDoctor
But its cali so he just paid for a better prison cell...
BarryGeibel
I don't know what you think goes on in california, but I guarantee it's wrong.
InTheRearWithTheGear
First time rapist gets light sentence... let's not sugar coat this
KeeleonOhms
Man previously convicted of violent felony convicted of drug trafficking.
LaronX
Out of context info. All that marijuana is still not enough to kill a person that weighs as little as 50kg. The mental damage for rape can.
ErinFromTheOffice
It was 2.8lb, but that was undried weight and included the full weight of the plants, roots and all. That part of it is bullshit.
LaronX
LD50 orally for the plant not THC is about 150 mg/kg. 20% of the female plant weight is THC => ~400mg. Do the math.
DJasperProbincruxtheThird
BarryGeibel
Good golly that is a low quality gif. Worst I've seen, actually. I'm not even mad, I'm kind of impressed!
Tanishh
That shouldn't make anyone less angry. Armed robbery is shitty, but it was 30 years ago. I think if you're clean for 30 years and all you do
pdxenburg
Or if you get a second chance you should be smart to know your limitations
GradiustheFox
Also why the fuck is LIFE the minimum sentence for growing a plant? I'm still plenty furious.
CalebKills
It's not it's the fact that he is already a felon that makes it such a harsh sentence. Remember opium is a plant too and that makes heroine
GradiustheFox
Corn is a plant too and you can kill someone with that stuff.
Tanishh
is grow pot, you're pretty fucking rehabilitated.
ErinFromTheOffice
He was growing so he could distribute, not personal use. His son was later convicted of trafficking.
TheLastSithposter
Even better! He was a small businessman producing valuable goods and creating jobs. Big gov types can't stand the free market as usual.
KeeleonOhms
Who was actually hurt from this 75 year old man selling a little weed?
Spamamdorf
It's still illegal drugs man even if you feel like it's not dangerous
ErinFromTheOffice
Should drunk drivers not face charges unless they crash into someone?
futureman3000
Quit injecting context into our lynch mob party!
mohammadbinsalmon
its stupid fucking context. mandatory minimums are garbage
lcplspanky
For more context, in California (ONLY state mind you) what he did isn't rape, the big problem is the law there
MidnightRising
Right, because he only fingered her. Didn't get a chance for anything else. California law doesn't classify that as rape iirc
lcplspanky
Exactly, and from what's been posted a a little research of my own, to my knowledge, California is the only state like that, needs fixing
tiarali
All it does is show that there is a major problem with the sentencing procedure.
QwertyBam
Thatcontext doesn't really change the absurdity of the whole thing: it simply tell us it's a systematic problem, instead of a random fluke.
VulcanP90
It's still ludicrous WITH context.
BigBlueBurd
It's even -more- ludicrous with context if you ask me.
HamsterOnAGoat
...a convicted felon serving more time for being a convicted felon is ludicrous? the fuck?
Orion1189
A convicted felon serving LIFE ultimately for growing pot is most definitely ridiculous, yes. Even if it was his own doing.
Eldibs
The amount of time is what's ridiculous, not that he got extra time for being a felon.
HamsterOnAGoat
Brock should go to jail for a long time. Lee should also get extra time for committing a crime as an ex-felon. that's not ridiculous.