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Happy International Men's Day!
Nov 19, 2017 8:21 AM
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Placentaur
As a woman, Happy Men's Day! I hope more attention could be brought to the gender specific issues of the other side as well. :3
saturndevouringchild
As a man, I don't cry when I'm sad. Not because of gender norms, but because I have an ugly cry face :<
Boopadasnoot
:<
breezybriv
Any sane woman recognizes the woes of men. I worked at a half way house for a long time and it struck me how little people cared for them.
breezybriv
Your gender should never define your worth in a society. Men’s prisons are devastating in comparison to women’s.
lama00
I hate stats without sources.
Astro4545
https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/7dw3jq/comment/dq0q7gp?st=JA75RMOD&sh=d00ca9e6
lama00
Thank you
AtheistNotAntiTheist
Biggest killer of men is depression and heart disease. But we can help majorly with depression. We men just need to take the first step.
treadwords
Why? What gives you any reason to think that if a man did express himself he wouldn't be treated as if his feelings were beside the point?
AtheistNotAntiTheist
because there are facilities in place to help people suffering from major depression. They just need to take the first step like I did.
ProxyPhox
The YMCA was a good thing ruined by a few, every time i pay attention to the lyrics i always think, "wish something like that was around."
YoWhatUpGlasgow
I think the song ruined it, it made it a "gay" place at a time when being gay was still seen as a bad thing.
AnnieBahde
I know! I sometimes have to find people shelter and the YWCA has beds for women but the YMCA is a workout place. When did that change?
lyfeizdeath
I work for the Y and love the place for growth and development it has become for all, but I wish it had perhaps grown out of a different
lyfeizdeath
Organization and left the men's haven intact. Wish they could coexist
Mymumsaysno
Predictable comments are predictable
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SirBrendan
I like when Men's advocacy groups actually advocate for Men's needs. The idea that this and feminism are opposed is ignorant and destructive
EricEss
https://imgur.com/OhmfDzi
OGsatan
LoTRFanatic42
theguywiththeaccount
Amen, Brother
raggamuffin132
People tend to skim over men's issues because historically, they haven't been oppressed. They're looked at thru a different lense.
whitewater0034
People have been oppressed for thousands of years, men and women.
TheThunderbirdRising
Yes, but men have never been oppressed because they are men
Strasburg6592
They've been treated as disposable assets. And not just humans, either. Males of just about every species are considered disposable.
TheThunderbirdRising
Are you seriously trying to argue that nature itself is fucking misandrist?
technitium
Thnk god I'm neither man nor woman but reptilian.
RTBackup
*grabs some popcorn and heads for the negative comments*
bekind2joeblake
As a feminist, happy men’s day! These issues are important and need to be addressed. Yay for supporting each other!
DaBearGuy
This comment section is the kind that makes me want to quit visiting imgur to be honest.
majoraz
But most of the comments i'm seeing are supportive and positive, and the few that are negative are pointing out real issues?
OrionRed
Spend some time in user sub...it's more diverse.
CuratorOfTheMemeseum
Have you got sources for those? This data would be interesting to look at
Astro4545
https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/7dw3jq/comment/dq0q7gp?st=JA75RMOD&sh=d00ca9e6
Gettingmygrade10
You forgot rape. Men have problems with that too. Especially in prison.
eadanke
I remember seeing articles in 2005 or so that pushed the men's rate higher than women's if prison stats were used. It's crazy.
deadbeat44x
Men's mental health is equally important as women's mental health. Often different problems, but equally important.
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rinoz225
Men also have a higher rate of getting mental disorders due to genetics.
1x1y
Just not to society.
TzarCowski
women's mental health rarely kills them.
b1ohazard777
"Women too, though" -top voted comment on men's day
mgtow101
Lots of feminists downvoting you I see.
nethusucud
Anything that gets people talking about mental health in my book is a good thing. Young men in particular seem to find it hard because 1/2
nethusucud
of the association with emotion being a sign of weakness. It isn't. I say this as a training psychotherapist I promise you getting help 2/3
nethusucud
will be the best damn thing you will ever do for yourself! I myself go to therapy and it has changed my life! You deserve to live your 3/4
nethusucud
best life without sadness, fear or anxiety. You would be so surprised how much you can change your situation just by talking about it! 4/4
theBannedBandit
Not really different problems though.. Most if not all mental health diagnoses are not gender specific.
cupcakesandviolence
Theres a new book out called The Mask of Masculinity that really delves into this stuff. Highly recommend for both men and women.
deadbeat44x
There is a good Netflix documentary of the same name
cupcakesandviolence
It's similar. It's called The Mask You Live In. Identical topic
goatfkersdidnothingwrong
Let's face it: nobody gives a fuck about men.
just4favs
We're the disposable gender. Like bees, we're biologically wired to protect the female. But that's our privilege or something, I'm told.
theresgarlicinthatnebula
As a gay guy, I give many fucks about and to men.
theBannedBandit
Well... except hiring managers and those who select business and political leaders, but yeah! nobody.
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theBannedBandit
Both. Film the process. Sell to NBC. $$$
BronzeLeaguePro
I they're equally important, why are one funded more than the other?
theBannedBandit
What? Which mental health issues are funded more on a gender basis?
1x1y
Most of them.
theBannedBandit
https://i0.wp.com/gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Confused-Jacksonville-Jaguars-fan-in-stands.gif
bobthebobbobulater
nobody ever said it wasnt
tzap
Shh.. It's very import for Imgur's self-esteem to maintain the perception that there'd be a major group of people that hated men.
ProxyPhox
Because they would be told they're wrong and to check their privilege.
TRIAraragi
This is simply not true. There's a scary amount of people who say male problems either don't matter, or are a good thing.
TRIAraragi
https://twitter.com/UltraHotTakes/status/932217299188117505 here is someone, for example saying that male suicide is used to maintain power.
nichfra
There are but they are few and far between. Even the one in your example has 1 retweet and 4 likes. That's worse than spambots.
Allrighty
That's not what she says, she says male suicide rates are a collateral of male violence.
bobthebobbobulater
i meant in real life, not the internet.
TRIAraragi
How much do you want to bet that if I instead had posted a personal anecdote, you'd somehow find a way to disregard that too?
Loki85
Very true. Women attempt suicide more than men, but men are more successful in their attempt due to how it is carried out 1
TzarCowski
women are failures at everything
Loki85
Example: suicide by gun or asphyxiation (hanging) vs intentional overdose or wrist cutting. Men often choose more fatal means 2
Loki85
Mental illness is very serious and pervasive. it is oftentimes stigmatized, any signs of suicidal ideation should be taken seriously.
Vallanth
Men are also 96% of homicide perpetrators. So naturally more men will be victims of homicide.
METAAAAAAAAAL
"Men getting killed doesn't matter cause men kill a lot of men." "blacks getting killed doesn't matter cause blacks kill a lot of blacks.""
METAAAAAAAAAL
See the similarities?
Vallanth
Sure I do. Do you see where I stated your first quote? Because I don't.
elb98rm
"If you were a man, you were probably asking to be killed, by being male" <- Welcome to victim blaming 101.
Wuz314159
hoom88
Everytime I hear this type of stuff, this is immediately what I think of.
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TheTruestRepairman
Hey, man. When the working day is done, guys just wanna have fun. Yeah, guys just wanna have fun
Lulumegan
They JUST WANNA! They just WAAANNAAAAAA!!!
BaggedMolk
well you aren't wrong
Astro4545
You've got me there
Zenzui
But at the same time there are safety standards that most men follow, and women aren't really in those industries.
SciencePersonGuy
They are obviously doing very important induatrial stuff and things
wooliebooger
Amateurs. This is why you angle the forks up. That way when he flies off he’ll get more distance.
BESTtaylorINAUSTRALIA
*Tilt back
swidsama
Holy moly its no surprise
2fligh2high
LuffyFett
What is the source of the graphic?
Meddafizziks
I also would like to know
SpiderDetective
That one makes sense.
howdoeyeballsdo
Idk about you bit every once in while I need a bit of fun.... maybe not safe fun but fun nonetheless
MileHighLivin
Which was his point. our search for unsafe fun, can lead to our unacceptably early demise. Not really society's fault.
Toderdj
Where's the rest of that neat infograph
Kabers
Sauce as requested https://imgur.com/YnNWgnl
Toderdj
The homicide one is skewed, either the numbers are coincidently the same as suicide or the graph proportions are wrong
HerrBisch
This is probably the best gif/image pairing of all time. Well done.
SparkleSalsa
I honestly laughed out loud. Hopefully I didn't wake anyone.
OatsThePantless
I dont see what the argument here is. Men die more at work, women get kids more. How is this an argument against OP?
Meddafizziks
It isn't, it's just additional information.
rhombusrightangle
Keeping the body strong and durable against the un-calculated seems a good idea to me. Practice makes perfect
DownvotesAreFun
Only in the US.
Irradiatedchipmunk
Seriously hate this child custody BS. Sometimes I wonder if half the reason I got back with my wife is because I feared losing my son.
annibe11e
If you ask for 50/50, there's really no good reason for it not to be granted. I think this stat is more about men not seeking custody.
steponabich
Most of the time child custody is decided between the parents out of court
YamatoIouko
Then you're part of the problem. It's WAY too common to assume men don't want custody, and that's why the "don't seek".
szepasszony
It is certainly wrong to assume that someone doesn't want custody just b/c they're male.But statistically, men seek full custody less often.
YamatoIouko
Okay. But that doesn't mean it's because they don't want it. If they think they're not going to get it, it's going to affect the attempts.
acmcasWatcher
In my country, stats say if a man asks full time or 50/50 it gets it But mostly, men are afraid to ask or don't care.
AngryHobo69
Yay, unrelated fact cherry picking!
BESTtaylorINAUSTRALIA
Forklifting actually :)
HermausMora
What like feminism
ItsReallyNot
Don't disturb the circlejerk!
NeatoVeto
I found my lunch table
Deathstrik3
I hope you're ready for the rustled jimmies that will be heading your way @OP
JustTheTipPlz
They can eat a bag of dicks
ABoiledEggIsHardToBeat
I hate to think that people would take offense to this... but you're right.
AnnieBahde
On imgur?
LiveSoMuchEveryDay
This is so stupid that somebody could be offended by this.
12rt2345g342563
It's 2017. Being offended is the default setting for many people.
OoWah
Vicachu
This is how it's supposed to be done. Bring to light the injustices men face, instead of harassing women.
FunWithDickAndDick
Rustled jimmies?
wisky4488
Old 4chan thing, basically being pissed off
vkmi
Old? It feels like yesterday when I started seeing it popping out. Oh, 2010. Fuck
wisky4488
Hahaha yeah man I feel the same sentiment
robinwheelyums
Rustled jimmies was a thing waayyyyyy before "4chan" lil dude
clutchthepearls
Yeah, but it was uncommon venacular since, only recently becoming relevant through memes. And it's obvious those memes were the reference.
robinwheelyums
False
Deathstrik3
4chan was not at all my reference, I heard the saying growing up in the 90s.
egbertmoxie
Why do you think people will be upset at this?
SwedishRationalist
Maybe not upset, but saying salty and dismissive things like "we already have 364 other men's days, why do we need another one, myeeh".
gunter
Same reason why people got upset for opening a men shelter in canada.
HPCmonkey
This is what the Red Pill documentary ended up being all about.
IswearIthoughtshewas18
good documnetary. funny how the feminists ignored facts and didnt give any good answers at all.
HPCmonkey
Consistently, but it is also just a glimpse at mostly the leadership. Same sorts of problems you see in any political leadership.
Carefuler
HOW is it that women manage to Not become homeless so much better than men?
KalYahna
Veterans are ~8% of the homeless pop, 96% of that 8% is men. Women are prob more likely to have SOME kind of support network, maybe more 1/
KalYahna
likely to be prioritized for housing if they also have kids - there are an alarming # of kids who are homeless as well. /2
TheThingsTheyCarried
People are more willing to accept a woman into their homes than a man
Carefuler
Seems very possible, but do you have any source for that?
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Carefuler
Well, that's pretty much the way it was for most of human existence. 199,900 years or so.
TheThingsTheyCarried
Anecdotes from people who run shelters. That being said, there are over 100x more shelters for women than theire are for men.
TheThingsTheyCarried
Source on pt 2: https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2013/may/07/men-gender-divide-feminism
Carefuler
Thanks!
WigglyCherry
"Men serve on average 64% more time in prison" does that me we are treated differently or that men commit more crimes? What it sounds like
Beezlebubble
If a woman commits the same crime as a man, the man will serve a longer sentence statistically.
elb98rm
Exact same crime. Like for like, men vs women get treated worse than black vs white, (in the context of sentencing).
JackYouMagnificentSoB
At first I thought you were saying "in the context of writing a sentence"
elb98rm
Ha. :)
12rt2345g342563
You conveniently left out the "for the same crime" part.
WigglyCherry
Just to be more clear, I thought that's what it sounded like and thanks to @Ivebeencalledacommiemywholelifebutnowimanaziapparently for 1/2
WigglyCherry
Proving what it actually was. That's what I wanted to know
674e031f7dbd1f14bdc9160468379d78e6fcb32c97b2e40fe00e35376336373
I believe it is in comparison to women that commit similar crimes. Kinda like black Americans spend more time in jail for similar crimes1/2
674e031f7dbd1f14bdc9160468379d78e6fcb32c97b2e40fe00e35376336373
As white Americans 2/2
RedDwarfIV
Unless the point its making is that men are driven to commit more crime? In which case it should also clarify that.
RedDwarfIV
The problem is that it didn't make it clear. It certainly sounds like it could be "men commit more crimes".
674e031f7dbd1f14bdc9160468379d78e6fcb32c97b2e40fe00e35376336373
I made the clarification for you, that is a hat this statistic is saying. It's not controversial at all to make the observation that men 1/2
RedDwarfIV
My point is that you shouldn't have to clarify, it should have been made clear in the infographic.
674e031f7dbd1f14bdc9160468379d78e6fcb32c97b2e40fe00e35376336373
Receive longer prison sentences as women for similar crimes on average, the question is why. And that is what we should be interested in.
DrSparken
It's from a particular study that attempts in very strange ways to control for earlier aspects of sentencing than the actual sentence, 1/
DrSparken
that are affected by things like criminal history. Which absolutely should lead to longer sentences, so it's a nonsense statistic; find 2/
DrSparken
others that claim a lesser sentencing gap, if any, for accurate numbers. 3/3
teacloud1
1) What, *this* is nonsense, the paper https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2144002 both explicitly states it's taking into
ManiacOnTheFloor
There are studies that show that for the same crime, men are more likely to go to prison & women are more likely to be sent to mental 1/
ManiacOnTheFloor
health institutions/ psychiatric units. But also men are more likely to commit more violent crime. Dont forget those who already offend 2/
ManiacOnTheFloor
are more likely to commit the same crime, so it's possible the person already had history which could skew the results
xKaraKx
Dont forget to actually do something about the problem. Look up your nearest mens shelter and donate
linewyorkguy
Everyone needs safe spaces!
BaconOctopus
Also adopt from a shelter before you buy!
flavivsaetivs
Rofl I came here to say that.
Quipman
well I did grow a mustache so I would like to think im helping
RepostStat1sdicks
Donate to their bestfriend's house. They can use that for beer and pizza
ChrisGibbons
I will do tha... Oh forgot, I can't because NOW campaigned to have the lot rezoned and now it is a Wendy's.
ImHereToPissPeopleOff
There are men’s shelters? Since when? The only one I ever heard of is the guy that hit ran out of business a few years back
Bandit1157
Local men's shelter?? Hahaha good one
clutchthepearls
Lol. I'm in a red state in the midwest. There aren't men's shelters.
noimthebatman
I grew up in a red Midwest state. If you want to see change, you have to raise awareness and contact your reps. Show them it’s a necessity
TheMightyJoe
the pub ?
timuthee
What’s baffles me is I always heard about women’s shelters but never really considered there being a men’s shelter
ForlornFennec
Pfft. Our women's shelter program has had its government funding cut, I doubt we even have any men's shelters.
PeterBk
So... basically a bar?
nevergoingtogiveyouupnevergoingtoletyoudown
Mens shelters exist?
TongueTiedLabourerfromtheLandoftheLittlePeople
The most important place to focus on is the kids. Education is the great equalizer. Activities such as substance abuse education and /
TongueTiedLabourerfromtheLandoftheLittlePeople
/treatment, family counseling, youth mentoring, parenting education, educational support, and youth sheltering.
Timeandrelativedimensionsinspaghetti
Someone correct me if this has changed but I think there is only one in the nation that takes men exclusively
Winterous
The first one in my country (Australia) has just been founded. One.
YoWhatUpGlasgow
Men's shelters tend to be for homeless and drunks, rare to find one for male domestic violence victims with the appropriate support
sention
RIP Earl Silverman. Bullied to death by feminism.
TritonPontus
Isn’t that what modern feminism is?
Sharangir
You should really stop spreading these false narratives and abusing his death for your flight against feminism, it's pretty disrespectful.
EatTacos
/a/Tyjdg
CarlSaganRulez
....a....bar? You mean a bar, right?
MOTHERFUCKING
What men's shelters?
BESTtaylorINAUSTRALIA
Pubs
MOTHERFUCKING
Not even fuckin' legal to drink in my country yet.
BESTtaylorINAUSTRALIA
Alcohol is illegal there?
MOTHERFUCKING
No, sorry, I meant I wasn't legal to drink yet.
aap71
isn't 'men's shelter' just a euphemism for county jail?
ThrowMamaFromTheTrain
Its 700 miles away.
LastThoughtsOnWoodyGuthrie
Isn't that just the pub.
12rt2345g342563
What shelter? I see like 5 women's shelters.
loltard
lol @ mens shelter
elb98rm
One of the disturbing facts is that there basically isn't any. Over 90% are women's, and men are banned from them.
xKaraKx
That was the point of my comment. Nearest mena shelter to me is about 4 hours away by highway
metachromatism
Not true in all places. I live in a city where about 70% of shelter beds are for men (I work in a men's shelter)
BigBurkhart
Unfortunately, places like yours are few and far in between. Keep up the good work, friend. The world needs it.
DeltaBird
Holy shit I thought he was joking! It is a good thing those exist tho
elb98rm
They exist, and it's good you're helping... but on total there aren't many. Many times less than for women.
metachromatism
In all the major cities in Canada that I'm aware of the shelter beds for men outnumber the ones for women because we know from stats that1/2
metachromatism
Men experience homelessness at a higher rate than women, however that's single men, whereas more women with children over non single men 2/2
Hardalor
Don't forget that most rape support groups turn away men, and often will even say "Men can't be raped"
wastedbartender
Source?
Hardalor
Some post on here a while back for a guy who was raped. But that is actually something people believe...
spicepoet
Visitors in general are kept out. I'm male, volunteering my time as a counselor at shelter. Very important to show not all males are evil.
SmallRedAssBaboon
Canadas first mens shelter will be opening next year i believe
TownClowne
If I remember correctly, there was a guy who ran a shelter out of his home up there. He committed suicide when he couldn't keep it open.
mrthroatwarblermangrove
Men are banned from them because the women who go to them are escaping a man.
ChrisGibbons
If the husband were a dentist, would she refuse to shelter with other victims who were dentists? That would be kinda stupid.
istealthepixelsfromreposts
And women should have a place to go! But men do too!
flytronix
Right, but the fact remains that men still have no alternative 90% of the time. Your comment doesn't justify them not having a place to go.
Sharangir
Then we need to stop the narrative that finding help makes men weak, what we definitely shouldn't do is be negative about women's shelters.
lnpieroni
That comment was stating a fact, not being negative about women's shelters. And check out Earl Silverman for why men's shelters don't exist.
Vedar
So really they should be shelters people can go to escape bad people. Why does it matter what's between your legs?
metachromatism
Not true, there are shelters for men and women, many are trans and nonbinary friendly as well
elb98rm
Them existing is not the same as them meeting demand or offering fairness of support. It's important to point that out.
KingORedLions
In the UK Men's shelters are almost non-existent.
12rt2345g342563
Maybe it's different where you live. Mens shelters are a rarity here. Men go to prison.
Leithoa
-A- man, not all men. Don't punish abused men because of abusive men.
mrthroatwarblermangrove
do you think a man who has been abused by his wife is going to want to get help at a women's shelter?
KingORedLions
Probably not, because it is a woman's shelter. However, the fact that there may be women there is irrelevant; those women are not his wife.
ChrisGibbons
Why? He would have to be really really sexist to associate all women with his wife's abuse.
Leithoa
If it's to the point that he's going to a shelter, he'll probably just be glad anyone is helping.
elb98rm
So, given that there aren't any mixed ones, and there are almost no male shelters... could you consider that a sexist problem? I do.
SomeGeographer
We had two in San Diego close because not enough men utilized them. Part of that is a societal problem because of toxic masculinity.
SomeGeographer
I should also add that they were fully funded. They just didn't have enough men visit them to warrant the cost of keeping them open.
SweetieTodd
A sexist problem and the men I serve also have trouble finding a bed if they aren't developmentally disabled or raging drug addicts. 1/2
SweetieTodd
No in between door for guys who are just homeless and need a hand up in a tough time when they fall off the fence they've been teetering on.
ManiacOnTheFloor
Well they really can't be mixed but there definitely should be men's
PigMarshBetweenTwoSaltWaters
Women are escaping abusive shelters, not escaping men. And vice-versa. There's no need for them to be segregated.
Sharangir
There's insufficient men's shelters because the narrative created by past generations of men is that real men don't need help.
elb98rm
Don't be sexist. It's not "men" who made that, it was society, including women. Society says men should be tough, not just "men"
Xplode441
Because societally, it's expected of men to protect women, it's expected by women too. If a woman is physically abusing a man, it's usually
GGCrono
If any of y'all want to have some frank discussion of mens' issues without the toxic antifeminist bullshit, check out r/MensLib on Reddit.
firelightcat
Nice, thank you for mentioning it!
ajax111
Holy shit such a place exists? Reddit of all places?! I'd like to address men's issues but it's always supplemented by trashing women.
GGCrono
That was my exact reaction when I discovered it. It's a good place. :)
GODDAMNlT
right? I was going on random and landed on mens rights once. holy shit that place is filled with horrible, horrible people.
KrystenRitterEyeRoll
If only there was some ideology that fought for men's role in society to be redefined so that most of these issues would be reduced.
GnarredGnarly
Imgur just LOVES no true scotsman for some reason doesn't it.
Gowinda
It's called feminism. The real one fights for equality. A lot of these problems are caused by the imposed role of men in society.
Strasburg6592
Roles imposed by nature itself on males of virtually every animal species - NOT "toxic masculinity". These roles literally far predate TM.
qwarfmup
Yup, e.g. some of these problems are caused by the assumption that women are inherently weak and gentle. Feminism wants to change that.
12rt2345g342563
Awesome. Let's have gender quotas for the shitty dangerous jobs along with the prestigious ones too then.
12rt2345g342563
I want to read a news headline about a septic tank pumping company not hiring enough women.
theworstthing
Absolutely true, but let's be real here: no one takes up the feminist cause with the intention of improving conditions for men.
partyof1ne
Yeah, no. You're thinking of egalitarianism.
elb98rm
Feminism isn't that ideology, despite what it thinks and claims to do. Also, MRA's are some of the most hated and vilified organisations.
Promethianfire
Probably because MRAs are indisinguishible from Feminazis if you swap the genders they REEEEEEEEEE about.
YanderePrincess
Feminism is that ideology. You're confusing Feminism with asshats who try to use the word feminism to justify their own asinine bullshit.
Promethianfire
It would be helpful if feminists called out that bullshit rather than interpreting criticism of it as a criticism of feminism at large.
elb98rm
You're confusing words and your intentions. Feminism includes both, and some people have issue with feminism in all forms.
elb98rm
(and FYI, I am talking about people who WANT to increase equality)
IllegalBiceps
Feminism is exactly that ideology
elb98rm
Feminists, in practice, campaign for equality ONLY in areas where women lack. Not for where men lack. That's just true. Equality matters.
SaintsRoDah
Not quite. Egalitarianism is exactly that ideology. Feminism is defined by the advocating of women equal to men
IllegalBiceps
Egalitarians are feminists who are scared of the association. Aka pussies.
elb98rm
That's just an intellectually lazy comment. It's not true.
DrSparken
Women == men is the same as men == women. Egalitatianism is something that claims to be that ideology but I've NEVER seen anything 1/
DrSparken
achieved by a group claiming to stand for egalitarianism, only feminism - it's a cop-out to claim a good stance without doing anything. 2/2
BadgerSims
I’m all for facts and stats but as a dude, why are all men’s issues posts here tainted with the stank of trying to discredit women’s issues?
talos2
Point it out to me, where does this ever happen?
Loser37
It's just the demographic of this community. It's turning into a red pill, MRA-type site.
METAAAAAAAAAL
Because that's what you want to see.
Yuri087
Some posts definitely have a argumentative tone but its only people's inherit bias that brings this out in this post as its not taking sides
CleverViking
Didn't feel anything like that from this, it's just ******* people (from both sides) who think we can/should only help one group at a time
CleverViking
Which in turn makes it all into a contest and then every group becomes a loser. The point of this post as I see it is to create awareness
CleverViking
that men suffer from some problems which for many would be quite surprising (while most "knows" women suffer in a lot of areas)
Promethianfire
Because a lot of men behave the same way as the "feminazis" they complain about.
treadwords
Because feminists are the only group of people who actively go out of their way to preclude discussion or awareness of men's issues.
DespiseEveryone
Because meninists are even better at being crazy then the craziest feminist.
TimBurr2
yeah
JoelJoestar
This is literally just statistics. Next are you going to tell me facts are sexist?
DudePlayinADudeDisguisedAsAnotherDude
Realize all days can be interpreted and presented in a biased way. Just sayin’.
ShiaSupplies
Selected statistics paint partial pictures so you have to zoom out and say "why these" or "what's missing."
Littlewinglet
I don't see that on this one. It just states statistics without that butthurt neckbeard bs.
FiftyShadesOfCauliflower
Unsourced statistics that don't apply internationally (e.g., only 18% of German domestic violence victims are men). OP doesn't even ....
FiftyShadesOfCauliflower
from which country they are, or year for that matter. The suggestion is that since it's International Men's Day, all this applies globally.
ShoCal003
You're my hero today, Fifty.
oddmog
But that 18% is what is logged and reported. I've heard many a tale of abused guys being told to forget about making a report.
FiftyShadesOfCauliflower
Or they never even attempt to make a report out of shame. Domestic violence against both genders is vastly underreported though.
Rifneno
Probably because SJWs started screaming "male privilege" all the time, like we have life on ez mode.
DudePlayinADudeDisguisedAsAnotherDude
Except that isn’t what the concept of male privilege (or White privilege) suggests.
theirarefourlights
What’s your interpretation of white male privilege?
DudePlayinADudeDisguisedAsAnotherDude
That while it doesn’t mean everything is easy or handed to White males, they have advantages in this society over those not like them. 1/
DudePlayinADudeDisguisedAsAnotherDude
Which is the dominant meaning/understanding of the term. 2/2
mardukkur
It's a perfect analogy. Sorry if it makes you butthurt https://kotaku.com/5910857/straight-white-male-the-lowest-difficulty-setting-there-is
Rifneno
LOL @ using kuntaku as a source.
mardukkur
It's an editorial, simpleton. It's not a source of fact.
Rifneno
It's Gawker, you fool.
You might as well source gun facts from the NRA.
noimthebatman
Better than people citing The Red Pill as a legit documentary
RoyFuckingMustang
Honestly if you can't figure out why living as a male is just straight up easier than living as a female I don't have much hope for you.
edibleasses
you're an ignorant twat
WarlockSniper
It isn't, but good job.
12rt2345g342563
And this sentiment is exactly why feminism is not for men. It starts with the assumption that life is always worse for women.
DudePlayinADudeDisguisedAsAnotherDude
Feminism is for men. The idea is not that life for women is always worse than for men, it is just more likely to be so. The idea of 1/
DudePlayinADudeDisguisedAsAnotherDude
feminism is that the feminine (more associated with women) should be as valued as the masculine (typically associated with men). 2/2
sistermaryclarenceIII
looks like a lot of male on male crime
PolitelyViolent
Bingo.
Waaahmbulance
Lmao
arcticWildlife
How is that relevant? Are you implying every man is responsible for every crime done by a man?
Yuri087
Looks like someone missed the point in a desperate attempt to make this problem seem unimportant.
mardukkur
Wow did that post go over your head.
X23LauraKinney
Yeah probably but that doesn't account for all of it
yifin
It's the great majority.
yifin
Just remember the three types of lies. Lies , damned lies and statistics. You can cherry pick stats to make them say whatever you want.
DudePlayinADudeDisguisedAsAnotherDude
Which can be done with all evidence. The idea is that a person needs to be critical and discerning when it comes to data interpretation.
noReallyIamPrincessBob
This!!!!
StamBroker
The fact that both victim and offender may have the same sex doesn't make it any less of a tragedy. Murderers murder, victims die.
FiftyShadesOfCauliflower
It's important when you consider that many homicides start out with mutual acts of violence. E.g., a bar fight. 2 guys duke it out, one dies
FiftyShadesOfCauliflower
Differently put, we men are generally more likely to die thanks to our higher propensity for risk-taking and physically violent behaviors.
FiftyShadesOfCauliflower
Of course it shouldn't go unmentioned that our increased risk taking includes dangerous jobs, which are mostly performed by men.
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Mdp2525
Stats on the full picture https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/1635092/
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YoWhatUpGlasgow
Mostly, there are some anomalies like the highest proportional rate of domestic violence occurring in lesbian relationships.
12rt2345g342563
And here we see another example of toxic feminism. Everything is men's fault!.
shortcakechuckles
Agreed. The same reasoning applies for race based murder stats. We need solutions.
Portmantoe
I'm pretty sure that was OP's point, because "black on black crime" especially is thrown out all the time as an excuse to do nothing.
theshinobi23
Was thinking men commit a majority of crimes, especially violent ones, so it makes sense if we're also the majority of victims.
DudePlayinADudeDisguisedAsAnotherDude
That doesn’t “make sense” anymore than if the victims were women.
FiftyShadesOfCauliflower
On top of that, some homicides start out as a mutual fight between men. E.g., bar fight, 1 guy hits a little too hard. Our higher risk- ...
FiftyShadesOfCauliflower
taking propensity and increased potential for physical aggression skews both the violent crime and the homicide statistic quite a bit.
vauhtihirmu
I was also thinking about the lengthy sentences, they might be because of violent crime. But the factors leading someone to violent crime(1)
vauhtihirmu
are worth attention too, no doubt. (2/2)
TheThingsTheyCarried
Did you not see where it said they receive longer sentences FOR THE SAME CRIMES?
DrKriegersClone
Binning data properly can be difficult. No two crimes, much like no two jobs, are really identical. I bet those crimes are about as 1/
DrKriegersClone
2/ "same" as the supposedly identical jobs women make 76 cents to a man's dollar at.
DudePlayinADudeDisguisedAsAnotherDude
There is also the issue of context and repeat offenses, however, that is neglected by the statistic.
TheThingsTheyCarried
"After controlling for the arrest offense, criminal history, and other prior characteristics, "men receive 63% longer sentences on average"
YoWhatUpGlasgow
In my own court experience (not as the accused) the difference here was judges gave women more "Last chances" before considering prison
DrSparken
No, it says are more likely to be sentenced at all. Longer sentences was independent of crime. The sentencing at all also falls apart 1/
DrSparken
somewhat when you learn that these are UK stats, where anyone who is a first-offender and appears to be showing remorse/unlikely to 2/
teambrick
1/2 What many people don't understand, is these are all problems that feminism can help. People think feminists hate men, it's not true! ♥️
WigglyCherry
Not all* but there are, unfortunately, some that call themselves "Femenists" and hate men
teambrick
I know. They are the worst agh.
PardusXY
Feminists come from a POV that women automatically have it worse, therefore they offer little to no help when it comes to men’s issues.
bewarethebearr
Read the definition of feminism please
PardusXY
Argumentum ad dictionarium
theirarefourlights
There’s a pretty wide spectrum in feminism and a million issues. Not everybody comes at it in exactly the same way.
PardusXY
TBH I have believed for the longest time they need to start identifying their sects openly and clearly.
theirarefourlights
You’re a very silly person, aren’t you?
PardusXY
I just think that everything good can be claimed by all feminism, but the bad stuff is just those crazies over there. You know like everyone
teambrick
I believe that feminism means making women equal to men. Therefore if it's equally a woman's responsibility to provide for the family 1/2
teambrick
Then maybe there would be less pressure on the man. Less stress for the man? Men have it hard, but that's from the patriarchy.
PardusXY
You lost me at patriarchy.
teambrick
https://www.bustle.com/articles/124983-6-ways-the-patriarchy-is-harmful-to-men-because-feminism-isnt-just-for-women
teambrick
The patriarchy claims men to be emotionally stronger, therefore so many men don't seek help for their depression because they feel weak
teambrick
The patriarchy dictates that it's a woman's job to raise the children... therefore father's rights today aren't what they should be.
teambrick
2/2 There is too much pressure on men to be the provider... leads to depression and violence. We need gender equality!
Maraak
Agreed. And sadly the state of some of feminism nowadays is hostile to this. Instead, it's blamed on "patriarchy & toxic masculinity" BS :|
teambrick
The problems listen above that men suffer, are a direct cause of a society which is based on the patriarchy created in the bible. 1/2
teambrick
How anybody can blame men today is beyond me.. men suffer too! patriarchy dates back thousands of years!! Let's strive for gender equality.
PardusXY
The term patriarchy is about blaming men.
partyof1ne
Then why do so many feminists scream "kill all men"?
bewarethebearr
Where are these people?
bewarethebearr
Show me "so many feminists screaming to kill all men"
teambrick
I honestly don't know. But in my opinion they aren't feminists, they are butt-hurt man haters.
partyof1ne
Sounds like the no true scotsman fallacy to me.
teambrick
It does. But feminism means making women equal to men, so I really struggle to see how that can be interpreted as 'men suck', therefore 1/2
Hamsterwitherectiledysfunction
We do need gender equality yes, but Feminism isn't the only answer. Please don't be the type that screams "be feminist or you're sexist"
getridofTheSeaword
Yes, not wanting equality for women doesn’t scream sexism at all.
Hamsterwitherectiledysfunction
So an egalitarian doesn't want equality for women? Feminism doesn't have 'monopoly' on equality..
getridofTheSeaword
? They have the same purpose... Egalitarians believe in equality for everyone including women, so that would also be feminism. U confused?
bewarethebearr
So tired of these ignorant boys who don't know what feminism is but know they hate it. EDUCATE YOURSELF!
teambrick
1/2 Nope all I'm saying is feminism literally means gender equality. Men and women both benefit from feminism. The common misconception...
teambrick
2/2 is that feminists hate men. It's completely not true (apart from those crazy fake feminists aka SJW)
Hamsterwitherectiledysfunction
No true scotsman fallacy right there. Feminisms biggest opponent is feminism itself since the vocal majority in media 1/x
DaveTheMurderingHippo
But that's not what it means, that's just what people say it means when they push it. Egalitarianism is actual gender equality. (1)
MOTHERFUCKING
Feminism is by its own history and nature a movement about women, mens issues are always going to take the back seat to women's issues.
Hamsterwitherectiledysfunction
3/3 but in short what definition a movement says it has compared to what the members of said movement do is extremely different things
Hamsterwitherectiledysfunction
2/x is the crazies that blow up absolutely non-issues and then in turn use it to hate on all men
bewarethebearr
Read up on the definition of feminism. Literally if you are not feminist, you are sexist. Feminism means the equality of genders.
Hamsterwitherectiledysfunction
And if you wonder why people don't like feminism as much anymore, it's because of people like you. So take a look in the mirror if anything
bewarethebearr
Why do you not like me? I was just trying to help you better understand the words we are using
Hamsterwitherectiledysfunction
And you're an idiot. And before you cry "sexist" I have to remind you that idiot isn't a gender, it's just something you are.
RoyFuckingMustang
Feminism IS gender equality. The only reason one wouldn't embrace it is sexism or ignorance. A lot of people are misinformed about feminism.
partyof1ne
You're kidding me, right? Modern feminism is about entitled bitches whining about stupid crap.
bewarethebearr
Most of the women you know have been raped. I have to work with the guy who did it to me. We are not whining. Our society treats women bad
12rt2345g342563
Or. They often encounter the version of feminism that is more about revenge and emasculation than equality.
RoyFuckingMustang
That's not a 'version' of feminism. That is people who are using feminism as an excuse to be assholes.
cowpiefatty
76% of successful suicides are men women try almost 4X more.
CrossFire49
The US stats don't distinguish between intentional self-harm and suicide attempts of you're referring to those.
kurosunanomei
Shit. They can't even do *that* right!
12rt2345g342563
Men want to actually die. Women want attention. Most female suicide attempts are not serious.
TheoreticalPhysEd
This view is part of the problem of the sigma around mental health. Women do not just want attention. Every year thousands of women DIE.
AgamemnonsMemes
Just one more thing men are better at than women..
blaiverunner
They just can’t get anything right.
Maraak
Self-harm =\= suicide attempt
cowpiefatty
I wasn't talking about self harm that is completely different than an attempt.
Maraak
I know, no worries. What I'm saying is that the distinction between the two can be rather unclear, for making statistical analysis.
cowpiefatty
True.
JakeEnglishx2Pistol
I was gonna comment that lol
FiremanMac
If 2 women commit suicide and in the same time period, 8 men do, that's 4 times more. It's also 80%. That's pretty close to 76%.
theschmah
and they say we can't commit...
WhiteknightsenOfSnusBrotherhood
lightningbeforethunder
wantednokes
Men mean it, women want attention
TheoreticalPhysEd
Way to dismiss women's mental health. My friend who survived but was on ventilator/ death watch for 4 days sure just wanted attention.
aumniverse
Working closely with depression for a number of years, a lot of it has to do with perception. People expect men to not show weakness so 1/2
aumniverse
they want to make sure there is no chance, because the perception of them after drives their depression further if they survive. 2/2
DrKriegersClone
They don't want to be this guy?
llGreenll
You can't try again if your dead
AVeryTinyGyrados
Because women don't make up their damn mind! They can't even decide if they want to die. (I feel like i should apologize for this joke)
SaraWithoutAnH
That's because they count women that scratch their wrists as a suicide attempt
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SaraWithoutAnH
Lol wat?
Djurze
I mean it's sad to say but people that cut their wrists aren't really attempting suicide, or at least it's a horrible attempt...
Djurze
I still think they should get help because something is bothering them, but I don't think they actually have any intetion in dying
Arnlaugur
Depends on how deep you mean by "cut" I've seen some valid attempts
Djurze
Yeah, but the fact is just that going over your arm is a really difficult way of killing yourself. Trust me, I've tried.
talos2
That's because they want attention... if someone really wants to kill himself he doesn't leave it to chance.
newimgurscreenname
Women are more concerned with looks or upsetting those left behind, so they try methods that will preserve their beauty.
12rt2345g342563
Horseshit. They don't want to die.
Loser37
"Attention" makes it sound superficial or vain. Suicide attempts (for both genders) can sometimes be the only way to guarantee their
Loser37
mental health issues will be taken seriously
crcinau
Downvoted, but fucking true. Ask any paramedic, ER nurse, etc. Its a last resort attempt to get help by women. Guys are just over it, so bye
GTR16
Not sure that's fair.. men just often times do things that are more violent with a higher success rate. Taking pills is generally slower 1/
cowpiefatty
all the people who survive jumping from something gives em time to regret and they always do. All the jumpers who live regretted it.
GTR16
And leaves more time to be discovered and saved.. driving your car into a wall going 80 will be a high success rate.
FoeOfFauxPho
"try"
Squidwardsnose
I'm interesting in seeing the stats for "tried" since this would fall under a much less concrete statistical analysis. For example 1/2
Squidwardsnose
if some researchers went out and thought it would be unbiased to simply ask people if they tried to kill themselves or not.
GODDAMNlT
I mean a large majority of people who go through with an attempt end up in a hospital so...there's records of it
IswearIthoughtshewas18
Also a difference between actually trying to kill yourself and doing it for attention. emos - real depression
Squidwardsnose
Yes that is very true. It is just that that won't be 100% of the attempts. So it's just really hard to get a firm grasp on all the stats
LayceKayse
[1]That, in fact makes it worse because that just means men are more capable of succeeding in doing it and the fact that nobody is looking
LayceKayse
[2]out for the men who are having that bad of mental health to where they are willing to off themselves but, people are always looking out..
LayceKayse
[3]for women and watching to see the signs and everybody's there for women as emotional support to make sure they don't end up attempting it
VesuvianPrime
Women have networks of support like friends and shelters. I would argue that men can be far lonelier than women.
PolitelyViolent
Not wrong. Even if they do have friends, men are discouraged from emoting/talking about feelings, less likely to seek out mental help.
Promethianfire
Some psychs. think male lonliness / isolation is a primary factor in mass shootings.
AnnieBahde
I’m literally cooking while listening to a really interesting lecture about that very phenomenon. Also how men used to get meaning and feel
AnnieBahde
Value through work and then at home as the provider and since the 80’s that has diminished, add in loneliness and isolation and a gun
AnnieBahde
Culture that equates guns with power and control and thus the American phenomenon of mass shooting.
kachoooooow
Men are better at everything
cowpiefatty
I was going to say this but felt it might not have ended well.
talos2
Because it's objectively false...? Men are better at certain things and women are better at certain things...
ForReasonsOfScience
Ignoring the joke, this is true.Men have better directional awareness and depth perception. Women are better at differentiating color shades
ForReasonsOfScience
This is because if humans' evolutionary tract. Men typically went on hunts so they needed to know distance from an animal and how to bring
FiftyShadesOfCauliflower
Well, we are better at acts of violence. E.g., 90.3% of murderers in the US are men. Since suicide is a violent act,we're "better" at it too
MaverickGoose2020
Because we actually put effort into things.
VesuvianPrime
Is it mens fault that society cultivates them into murderers, or are they also victims in a different way?
FiftyShadesOfCauliflower
We also can't discuss excessive violence in the media (movies, video games etc.) without being shouted down. Can't have it both ways.
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FiftyShadesOfCauliflower
I agree that societal conditioning has a lot to do with it. But when s.one points this out, every1 shouts "Toxic masculinity? How dare you!"
VesuvianPrime
"Toxic masculinity" is such a cruel term.
FiftyShadesOfCauliflower
Bullying is another example. "Don't be a sissy, stand up to your bully" etc. Point out that this is damaging and you're mollycoddling kids.
FiftyShadesOfCauliflower
Or the old "boys will be boys" canard. Complain that violent behavior by boys is more readily excused, and you're a feminazi who hates men.
DrSparken
As the individual who commits the act? No. However, it is also largely men pushing things like the "Don't be a sissy, stand up for 1/
DrSparken
yourself" narratives. As a whole, "men" are at fault, yes, but not as individuals. 2/2
szepasszony
I woudn't put all the blame on society, but it is problematic that violence is seen as 'manly' and men are taught to hide their emotions.
szepasszony
*wouldn't
janeCosmosdog
Seriously though, why don’t we just agree to make life better for all people, regardless of gender. No need for this pissing contest
shootypowpow
That's literally what feminism is. People have just twisted it to shit.
Heliogabalus227
There's definitely no need for a pissing contest-- but if we're having one, men would win it. Penises rule!
Nanoline
Because conflict inflames tempers more than peace, and angry people are easier to direct or distract.
teacloud1
We can agree that we should make life better for all people and still recognize that one gender gets a disproportionate amount of advocacy.
causality
Black Lives Matter vs All Lives Matter. Saying "Save the whales" doesn't mean you don't care about honeybees and polar bears too.
Tunaccat
Because we can't talk about unique issues facing a specific group of people because of these "BUT WHAT ABOUT THESE OTHER PEOPLE!?" types.
12rt2345g342563
All of these things are interconnected. The unwillingness of people like you to talk about anyone but yourselves is part of the problem.
Tunaccat
Yes, because as a white man in American, I have it so hard. Life is so tough! I'm so oppressed ;_; stoopid women want a women's day.
SaraWithoutAnH
This is bullshit. So you go against BLM saying All Lives Matter, right? And do you tell feminists that they should be humanists?
picklesandshit
Because feminism has made it that way. I agree though, let's make life better for everyone regardless of gender.
thisguy79
You are being part of the problem. When having women's groups are fine but mens groups for the same reason are considered a pissing contest
CyriousLordofDerp
Because fuck you thats why. (We are so boned as a species)
FawxVix
While I agree, the fact is for a long time women’s day has been a thing and there has been no men’s day.
VestingNormal9
That's the point dumbass. Did you see a "fuck women" in the graphic anywhere?
HerrBisch
I agree that pissing contest = bad, but it is important to recognise the issues that disproportionately affect one group of people.
WaltherWater
If we wanna do that, we have to know and acknowledge the specific problems. Men's problems are often ignored
StormageddonDarkLordOfAllAKAAlfie
Celebrating specific genders, ethnicities, creeds, etc. is good, but it shouldn't be about making your case against everyone else.
crockmonster
Because most people are shitty and their life is just one long piss contest
SorryIamnotsorry
But my piss game is ????
ellesandre
True feminism IS about about equality for BOTH genders; unfortunately some ruin that and turn it into an "anti-men" campaign and tarnish it.
IKnowYouHateMeYes
No, it isn't. What you are describing is egalitarianism, which is a movement for equality for all. Feminism, at its core, is a 1/2
IKnowYouHateMeYes
2/2 female rights improvement movement that is specifically related to benefiting women.
ellesandre
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/feminism "the sexes"
IKnowYouHateMeYes
The primary definition is incorrect. The second definition is correct. Feminism is not egalitarianism, which is what the 1/2
ghsdkgb
Both genders' problems stem from the same toxic views of masculinity that society has. Different problems, same solution!
Itsalrighttobeconservative
Is it really a pissing contest when it’s that uneven...
2fligh2high
RobertNAdams
Well, men & women have unique problems. For example, women don't really get prostate cancer. :V
noimthebatman
And men don’t get ovarian cancer. But cancer of the reproductive organs exist in both. We are more alike than different
RobertNAdams
Yet somehow, I feel the study of prostate and breast cancer, respectively, would involve different methodology.
LipSlideMyRail
If this were a feminism advocacy post, this comment would be downvoted to Oblivion.
calcifear
It's not a pissing contest! Humans solve problems better when we can focus. Asking people to focus on men's problems for a month helps 1/2
calcifear
Just like asking people to focus on breast cancer for a month helps. Doesn't diminish anyone else's issues. 2/2
FungusForge
Fucking yes. Especially the stupid petty bullshit that needs to stop. Only makes it worse for everyone.
roadkillnecromancer
What pissing contest? It's dumb logic like this that ensures problems for both genders don't get as much attention as they should. Do better
CrestKnight
because big fancy corporations reject change, investment, and future technologies. do you know why? run by old people.
commentsectiontrafficcop
Because mankind is inherently flawed and broken. Irreparably so. Just be good to everyone all the time. Its all you can do.
BronzeLeaguePro
Because identity politics: Women have interest groups that get X funding, while "For all" groups that get Y. Women then get X+Y, Men Y.
roorooter
Women can do anything! Except stand up to pee.
Vedar
I've seen videos that suggest you are wrong
nanyatenyaa
It's not a pissing contest, it's spreading awareness that different groups face different problems.
nanyatenyaa
You cannot fix the problems unless you know what they are and who is impacted. Simply spreading awareness can help fix the issue.
YamatoIouko
Men and women need different things. You wouldn't advocate treating all diseases the same way, would you?
wowbaggerthethird
that's agreed on. Problems arise when two better makings clash, or when one better making slightly decreases other better making.
BadgerSims
Yep, the wording of this graphic is unnecessarily designed to be a snarky comparison
KUURTLURNN
BUT we need to see how gender problems are different, we want equality but have to be realistic about the difference in issues
DefenderOfDog
feminism is about women and people like being feminist
idontwanttosignin
Are you active in anything yourself?
CardboardStomach
Because some people don't want equality. They want to be vindictive and think others should suffer to make up for the past inequality.
anddylanrew
The problem is we can’t think about everything at once. So sometimes people have to say me too in order to have their problems looked after.
jojiluis
What's bad is that people automatically say it's an attack when you say 1 over the other
12rt2345g342563
And it's automatically assumed that "me too" is some kind of subversive attack rather than an actual cry for a seat at the discussion.
AcidOPhilus
The only problem I have with images like this is the usually attached message of "fuck off we're suffering too". Why not say "this is a (1/2
AcidOPhilus
systematic issue that affects all of us, let's join forces and actually work together." (2/2)
arcticWildlife
What's wrong with saying something affects men or women more? When it's fact?
YamatoIouko
Because humans are hardwired to care for women's needs over men's. It's a very had program to even crack.
Winterous
Because when you say that in support of men, most government figures and like the entire established system surrounding the issue says 1/2
Winterous
"Fuck off, the overwhelming majority of victims are women, we won't do a goddamn thing to help the minority.". That's literally the 2/3
Winterous
kind of discourse that goes on surrounding domestic violence in Australia. Complete lies, and refusal to assist the minority. 3/3
idownvoteyourcat
Isn't that the "All lives matter" argument? Drawing attention to male issues does not detract from female issues.
Butane9000
This statement while true doesn't change the fact that society is currently driven to care more about the female gender in most situations.
OohPee
Is this pissing contest sitting or standing?
whatevernamewhat
Sitting, no need to disturb the peace.
thepandasbum
*piss
whatevernamewhat
Chill
LennyBoii
talos2
RonaldMcDonaldTrump
A relevant username, too. Well done.
Dapro1
That sums it up so well.
aboxacaraflatafan
https://media1.tenor.com/images/c5d3ec499eb5df678c6fa1fcf3fc8d54/tenor.gif?itemid=3551520
AussieNotNamedBruce
They have a device for females that allows them to piss when standing.
JustABitCrzy
I mean, technically they could always piss standing. It's just messier.
OohPee
Performance enhancing modifications are not allowed....
smoothoprater
I agree with you in theory. However there is a reason why this pissing contest started in the first place: feminism considers men issues a
smoothoprater
side effect of the patriarchy and posits that these issues will be solved when the patriarchy is down. Until then men can "suck it up".
smoothoprater
Mind you, a lot of men are ready to wait that long (and I don't really believe in the patriarchy anyway, sounds like a conspiracy theory)
smoothoprater
I meant not ready of course. Af for "patriarchy", why not call it "traditional gender roles"? It's much more accurate and less inflammatory.
mardukkur
There is no "suck it up" in feminism.
12rt2345g342563
There absolutely is. Feminism is not a monolithic ideology. Downvote away.
ShouldersDeepInAHorse
Because people can be awful, and alot of government exploit that to focus the hate they deserve onto someone/something else.
malikcarr
Wedge politics win elections, and there's basically no consequences for the politicians until your country goes full Yugoslavia.
notoriousbov
This statement is roughly equivalent to "all lives matter"
holdmyfingerandpullmybeer
post gave some stats, you are the one trying to turn it into a pissing comp.
SuperSecretScientistStuff
Money
Rifneno
Everyone hears about blacks getting harsher sentences than whites, but the gender thing is almost unknown. It needs attention.
StephenDaniels
Committing the same crime isn't enough to say that each deserves the same sentence. There's other factors at play, such as previous crimes.
msmouth6911
Well its a bit confusing right now apparently its wrong to assume a person with a dick is a man
kiathedead
I agree that both should be equal, but the intent of this is to prmote more awareness that *both* sides are suffering.
TrolleyDolly
Agree. Couldn't have said it better.
OptimusPantry
Came to make the same point, upvoted urs instead!
tzap
No it isn't. The intent of this is to one-up feminists. It's just sugar-coated anti-feminism. The author of this image is a Redditor 1/?
sadnessforhire
You keep defending yourself in this post saying this response, about intent, gives you Carter Blanche to straw man the whole discussion 1/?
tzap
lol, believe what you want.
sadnessforhire
A strong defense.
sadnessforhire
Are issues that need to be addressed, not the “intent” of the random reddit user who created the image, or what his feelings are. 3/3
nethusucud
Okay there's an international day for both so how is acknowledging and addressing men's issues downplaying women's issues?
IKnowYouHateMeYes
Anti-feminism and pro-egalitarianism is amazing. We need equality, not movements only focused on getting benefits for one gender.
juxtaposedwanderer
So.... his personal agenda makes these things less bad in what way?
tzap
Read the comment I answered to. This was about intent.
JustADumbRename
No. There is a SHITTON of that on imgur, but this isn't that.
tzap
.. trashtalks feminism whenever he can etc. Honestly people like them are not in this for their sincere will to improve the human 3/?
tzap
.. u/LedZeppelin1602, a r/MensRights etc activist who belittles rape in his comments, thinks SJWs are the real threat to the world, 2/?
sadnessforhire
The “intent” mentioned in the comment you replied to is speaking to the INTENT of this post informing people that men, and men’s health, 2/?
BlackIC
So discussion of issues that disproportionately affect women are trying to one-up meninists? Or something? Somehow?
tzap
Read that image's author's comments, sort by controversial. They're defending rape and constantly trashtalking feminism etc.
BlackIC
So, if someone says things you don't like, it invalidates factual statements that they make?
Dapro1
It's sooo funny that your writing of meninist was the first time I've ever heard, read, or thought that word.
tzap
.. condition. They are in it because they're afraid and hateful of dragons but marginally smart enough to not say it out loud directly. 4/4
AcidOPhilus
Why the fuck are you in the downvoted section, you're the only one who actually delivered some background their opinion. Thank you.
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kerms
I feel like that describes a lot about modern feminism too. Most people advocating a gender are in it for selfish reasons, not sincere ones.
Mdp2525
You’re correct. Stats also show men are killed by other men by a greater percentage than killed by women. But more women are killed by men >
Mdp2525
Here are the stats: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/1635092/ >
zzzb
Idk why people are downvoting this, the issue of anti-feminism is at least as equally a problem as "feminazism", so to speak
shaggywasastoner
Your logic is not logic
tzap
His comments have lots of belittlement of rape and harassment and lots of strawmanning about feminists and women's rights.
tzap
Well, this is from the author: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/7d4p7j/what_fictional_character_should_not_have_gotten/dpvftq9/
Dranton12
Well we all know whose win a pudding contest ;)
TheGalacticLeprechaunwithtinynipples
You. You would win a pudding contest
Dranton12
Pissing. But yes I’d win a pudding contest too.
TheGalacticLeprechaunwithtinynipples
Is this a challenge to duel? If yes, I accept.
AknottheMangalore
Concur, Human Day is everyday we shouldnt need a day to help a and or be a human.
InsideWinner187
Ur being racist, what about the other animals on this earth
Yuken
We shouldn't, but we do.
HerrBisch
That's very noble, but in practise it helps to have set days to remind people of issues that disproportionately affect particular groups.
AknottheMangalore
Then everyday could be earmarked for something. If everyone just practiced "humanity" we wouldnt need this. Noble and wishful thinkg....yeah
HerrBisch
Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
nickysjords
Though when people aren't acting like humans we need reminding we're not, socially speaking, animals.
AknottheMangalore
I might of seen what you did there.
nickysjords
I don't
AknottheMangalore
We are animals...
laideron
As a feminist, I disagree. We can't combat inequality unless we know HOW we are inequal.
holdmyfingerandpullmybeer
Thank you.
creamyt
Basically this. Different things affect us disproportionately, and knowing what does and why helps us address it.
imawreck
Like for instance, males have a razor sharp spike hidden beneath a skin fold under their arms. The females have an ink sack for defense.
cancerriddenlung
LOL
BronzeLeaguePro
Feminists? Like the ones that sent bomb threats to the woman who opened her domestic abuse shelters for men?
Discoduck
No. Moving on....
annibe11e
No, like the normal ones that support equality.
IKnowYouHateMeYes
That would be an egalitarian.
annibe11e
Eagle rights!
Discoduck
If you google the definition of feminism it's right there in plain English. It's about equality of the sexes in a [patriarchal] society.
kiathedead
Generalizing a group gets you know where in an open discussion and often causes a further divide.
IKnowYouHateMeYes
However, belonging to a group that is focused only on benefiting a single gender isn't exactly great either.
BeaverCleaver10k
Because men are totally ignored in our society when it comes to depression.
mardukkur
This simply isn't true.
DudePlayinADudeDisguisedAsAnotherDude
Do tell.
mardukkur
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2FG4GfRSHQ
creamyt
As a man with depression, I disagree we're ignored, but we are expected to "just deal with it" more often. And, from a personal perspective
creamyt
, other men are little more at fault for that behavior than women. Mental health attitudes need to improve.
Sumpte
How? Explain.
BeaverCleaver10k
Don't get me wrong I believe those programs help countless women and I am happy we as a society try to take care of each other, it's just as
BeaverCleaver10k
Well all one has to do is look at all the assistance/social programs for women. Our society does not provide anything like that for men.
BeaverCleaver10k
Here in the US men have been raised to just suck it up and deal with it. Maybe it is different for men under 25.
Sumpte
Don't know about the US, but in the UK< there are no major depression assistance programs that are gender-specific. They're all generic.
LizardEnterprises
1/2 If we were starting from nothing I'd agree. But we're not. Feminism has done a wonderful job advocating for when in cases where they're
LizardEnterprises
2/2 disadvantaged - and that is, and has always been the *majority* of cases. It has not done a good job advocating for men in other cases.
mardukkur
The role of cultural conditioning on male depression and suicide was discovered and promoted by feminists before MRAs were even a thing.
LizardEnterprises
1/2 I'm pretty sure it was discovered by psychologists, actually, but you're right that feminists have pointed it out. They have not acted
LizardEnterprises
2/2 to address it though, beyond using it as an example of why gender roles are bad. They're not wrong, they're just not helping.
mardukkur
Feminists act through advocacy, which is exactly what they've done. You set an impossible bar. How many divisions does the pope have?
DudePlayinADudeDisguisedAsAnotherDude
You realize that many psychologists are feminists, right?
CyanideSprite
I disagree. Years ago when I was homeless and had an infection, a local feminist group got me inexpensive medical care. Most feminists I've
LizardEnterprises
1/3 I'm glad that worked for you - but just because that worked for you on an individual level does not mean it's true on a societal one.
LizardEnterprises
3/3 experience domestic violence. That is a failing of the feminist movement, and a reason why it needs a male response.
CyanideSprite
I think it's pretty true if you look at what feminists groups fight for instead of just the strawman stuff.
LizardEnterprises
2/3 Feminist groups worked very hard to establish domestic violence shelters for women. Most of those shelters do not admit men. Men still
CyanideSprite
Met fully fight for men's rights and that same group even attended city hall to talk about getting shelters for homeless men since there
CyanideSprite
Are some for women and children but virtually none for men in this area. I feel like many men bring it up as a mere retort to feminism or