I remember being stationed in Korea when they impeached President Park. I'm sure it was really bad, but I remember like 90+% of their government impeaching her, for what sounded like the kind of corruption Trump would do on a Tuesday (this was 10yrs ago, so tame). -- At the same time Trump was complaining about Obama spying on him in the White House... Much <3 to the Koreans.
I would put my Captain America uniform on, and my shield, and I would march into the Whitehouse and bash Trump in the face with said shield and evict him and every one of the people he put into power, if I could do it unobstructed. But you all know exactly what would happen if I tried to get in front of Trump, let alone to put a hand on him and change the regime. Korea is different.
Do you think it's just as simple for Russia, China, or North Korea? Because that's closer to what we're looking at here.
There's no easy way to get rid of the guy or it would have been done already. His MAGA followers are a small percentage of the population and he's historically unpopular. But our system isn't built to hold people accountable and he has access to the most bloated military the world has every known.
In a perfect world, four things... 1) Get money out of politics. 2) Pass legislation to make news organizations not for profit and ban political opinions from setting the narrative. 3) ban news on social media platforms (Regulate the algorithms through 3rd party politically independent means). 4) Most importantly, FUND PUBLIC EDUCATION. The damage that social media and partisan propaganda channels posing as news outlets has done will take at least a couple generations to repair.
Unfortunately this is like comparing apples to oranges. Let me explain... South Korea have different LAWS that made this possible. Also it helps that many of the lawmakers and politicians are highly EDUCATED!! And thus the government was swiftly halted and the guilty parties were removed. Unlike the US where a majority of the lawmakers and politicians are complete imbeciles and a president who looks at laws like suggestions.
It's an internet instinct now, like typing "unironically" when you could just leave it out and people would have assumed anyway you meant what you said.
#1 The issue with the IS tho is that the kind of people that run the state police and military are the same power hungry pieces of shit that support trump. And the ones that don't are being relieved of duty. The rot is so deep in the foundations of this country that the people that want to fight back are woefully outmatched in terms of political power and fire power
Everything in this is great except the tag line for the stock market. The common people do not give a fucking fuck about the stock market. That's gambling shit for rich assholes. Fuck that.
These magic wand posts are konda annoying. What this commenter doesnt say or conviently ignores. The whole system is set up to thwart swift and system damaging attempts.
Am I just jaded or is it normal to think that 38% of presidents being corrupt isn't even much? Like, is your point that South Korea weaponizes corruption accusations, or that they have too much corruption, or that they corruption there has consequences?
no, it's just 38% of them didn't get away with corruption lol. Keep in mind, Korea already rebelled against authoritarians like 2-3 times, and it was only this last time that they've been able to keep it under control.
Just how many presidents does 38% mean? 'President of South Korea since 1948' is hardly a populous demographic, it's an interesting choice to use the percentile as metric.
How many south koreans backed their president? in the US it was about a third of the voting population and another third counting registered voters who didn't turn out.
According to my quick searching, numbers vary from a quarter to a third of South Koreans opposing him being even impeached, nevermind facing criminal charges.
Looks like the opposition party has been in control of korean legislature since before the insurrection tho, so guessing he didn't have the support of the voting body like trump does.
Thanks for posting that. I've been saying that the US became a stagnant or nonprogressive (3rd world) country for decades and often got similar reactions. People disagreed or didn't understand. Which I found shocking. To learn that so many Americans are brainwashed into believing we're a superpower. Something we haven't been since the 1970s.
I think it's a little more complex than that. The US is stagnating, even declining, both domestically and abroad, but it still projects power (for now), not just militarily but a lot of soft power (economic, diplomatic and cultural). The Trump admin is gutting that soft power at a feverish pace, but the US is still too relevant internationally to be considered a "3rd world" country (in the non-cold-war sense of the term). I'll come back to my comment in a decade to see how badly it has aged.
There is some hard truth in this. And people tend to close their eyes on all the crimes comited by the US, like the organization of the genocide of 3 millions indonesian communists between 1955 and 1965 for the sole reason it was a threat to the mighty capitalism that was so favorable to US economic dominance. US thanks their military people for their service like it's a religious thing, thruth is this is how you hide the truth under the carpet. Patriotism is a great tool to brainwash ppl too.
"Third world" is considered an outdated irrelevant phrase today. Mostly because the US, that runs the media, has become a third world country itself. And finds the terminology offensive now.
kinda seems like MAGA is trying to return us to those old time white supremacist values that the country was founded on. the rest of us kinda think we should do better.
Language changes over time and is descriptive not prescriptive. For at least 20 years "3rd world country" means "shitty country with bad government and backward ideas that treats its people badly" or some other such "this place sucks" vibe.
Only to the uneducated. The educated and experienced who lived most of their lives in the Cold War know what it means, even if many think it means Unindustrialised.
mitchypoo is a big reason we're having trouble with trump now as well. his plan to remake the judiciary by delaying appointments (and the dems' unwillingness to fight him on it) had massive consequences even beyond the current 6-3 conservative majority on SCOTUS
The fact that a singular individual can impede governmental oversight to the point of impotence only proves that the system is flawed and was bound for failure.
If you look at the way his children and those that were close to him are speaking of him in his passing you'd understand why people refer to him as such. Political issues aside, it's important to recognize that being a good human being is more than just who you support in the polls. The only way forward is mutual understanding. Your comments ooze hatred from every angle, so I'm sure that comment is lost on you now. Maybe in the future you'll understand that perspective. - A progressive democrat.
We do. It is functioning as intended. Congress does not have the votes to do any of this because the people aren't voting for members who will do something. People are angry at democrats in congress for not doing anything, but don't seem to realize that there's really nothing they can do beyond speak out. If you're genuinely upset, go vote. vote in every election. local, state, federal. everything. Until a majority of people do that, and in the way you think it should be, nothing will change.
I wouldn’t say it’s working as intended. That implies the founders wanted our current state. It was corrupted over decades of watering down powers and barriers.
It’s working how the current government wants it to work, but that’s not “working as intended”
The problem is the founders expected that the three branches would stand strong against each other and not give up their power. The President isn’t supposed to be above Congress or SCOTUS, they are equals. They chose to ignore that.
if you steal an ambulance, then rip out the medical guts and add a turret gun and start killing the poor, it is working as intended. Not as intended by the original builder, or as intended by the people you stole it from, but as intended by the person who took control and violated it.
And recognizing that they were imperfect and that the will of the people would change over time, they built in methods for the constitution to change with those times.
The fact that they had faults doesn’t change their intent to design a system that resists tyranny
ablamboo2
Uneducated, uninformed populace elect stupid, corrupt leaders and expect things to just work out
ImNotActuallyEvilAfterAll
their stock market has been blown into a huge bubble that popped so that random 10% move you picked does not mean anything.
iPez
its amazing how many assholes immitated trump on insurrection.
Kc0125
You can't compare south Koreans to Americans, huge huge huge difference in type of human.
SavageDrums
Yeah, but America sucks
ZantetsukenX
Well yes, but that's because their super rich controlling class didn't like them. The same would happen in the US if the billionaires didn't like it.
cbomb707
I remember being stationed in Korea when they impeached President Park. I'm sure it was really bad, but I remember like 90+% of their government impeaching her, for what sounded like the kind of corruption Trump would do on a Tuesday (this was 10yrs ago, so tame). -- At the same time Trump was complaining about Obama spying on him in the White House... Much <3 to the Koreans.
MrNobodyLivesHere
The Great Democracy is corrupt as fuck.
RayManPhilly
It would also help if half this country wasn't a bunch of freakin racist cult idiots!
DinkyDoinky
Personally, i wouldnt use korea as an example of anything good in human society, but this is a nice turn of events.
stevelepastis
Is their DOW over 50,000?!
klean9
Not gonna happen. Congress, our military and the judiciary don’t have the courage to do what needs to be done.
Bowtie8bit
I would put my Captain America uniform on, and my shield, and I would march into the Whitehouse and bash Trump in the face with said shield and evict him and every one of the people he put into power, if I could do it unobstructed. But you all know exactly what would happen if I tried to get in front of Trump, let alone to put a hand on him and change the regime. Korea is different.
Prom7766
Do you think it's just as simple for Russia, China, or North Korea?
Because that's closer to what we're looking at here.
There's no easy way to get rid of the guy or it would have been done already. His MAGA followers are a small percentage of the population and he's historically unpopular. But our system isn't built to hold people accountable and he has access to the most bloated military the world has every known.
nothingtolurkhere
In a perfect world, four things... 1) Get money out of politics. 2) Pass legislation to make news organizations not for profit and ban political opinions from setting the narrative. 3) ban news on social media platforms (Regulate the algorithms through 3rd party politically independent means). 4) Most importantly, FUND PUBLIC EDUCATION. The damage that social media and partisan propaganda channels posing as news outlets has done will take at least a couple generations to repair.
GentleTex73
Unfortunately this is like comparing apples to oranges. Let me explain... South Korea have different LAWS that made this possible. Also it helps that many of the lawmakers and politicians are highly EDUCATED!! And thus the government was swiftly halted and the guilty parties were removed. Unlike the US where a majority of the lawmakers and politicians are complete imbeciles and a president who looks at laws like suggestions.
JokerFrown
nazis control all parts of government right now.
jaakkopaakkonen
Not with your current voter base it isn't
Cranbananarama
"I don't know who needs to hear this.." immediately followed up by "So you see America..." feels like they did know.
gamer2k4
It's an internet instinct now, like typing "unironically" when you could just leave it out and people would have assumed anyway you meant what you said.
FailureFactory
POV: no one: TFW
jalcantara88127001
They are pretty strict in every regard. Even if you smoked a joint in the United States, you would go to jail when you get back.
pinkclouds94
#1 The issue with the IS tho is that the kind of people that run the state police and military are the same power hungry pieces of shit that support trump. And the ones that don't are being relieved of duty. The rot is so deep in the foundations of this country that the people that want to fight back are woefully outmatched in terms of political power and fire power
BellsTheorem
Really sell that stock market increase. It's the only way of convincing those in power.
AnonsAndMinions
Everything in this is great except the tag line for the stock market. The common people do not give a fucking fuck about the stock market. That's gambling shit for rich assholes. Fuck that.
gamer2k4
"I don't have a retirement plan, so no one else does either."
NoUserNameIsTaken
"60% of U.S. adults report having money invested in a retirement savings plan such as a 401(k), 403(b), or IRA"
katashimon13
that's how they got us to bust unions
metroid2
These magic wand posts are konda annoying. What this commenter doesnt say or conviently ignores. The whole system is set up to thwart swift and system damaging attempts.
eetsumkaus
probably good to point out that this comes after half a century of Koreans dealing with authoritarianism.
CrimsonPermanentAssurance
Doesn't say or conveniently ignores? Seriously? Im pissed off the whole system is set up to avoid accountability hence the post.
redtruck
Good use of ‘hence’.
Also, agree that accountability is voluntary or at least subject to amendments that ignore the point.
draconicus
yes we can
jlist
South Korea has put 38% of its presidents (since 1948) in jail for corruption, and hounded one to suicide. Just for reference.
NorthsideNation
https://media2.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1ajRkdW4wYnE1NGs0YzNpeWx3NDNydHJlMTN5YTFvNG1pMWQzd2pxdyZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/J8FZIm9VoBU6Q/200w.webp
Filanwizard
*looks at the gif* Sadly we did not have a group of absolutely only pop stars to slay the MAGA Boys before they could start burning the world down.
FailureFactory
Am I just jaded or is it normal to think that 38% of presidents being corrupt isn't even much? Like, is your point that South Korea weaponizes corruption accusations, or that they have too much corruption, or that they corruption there has consequences?
Filanwizard
If I had to guess, probably parts of all three.
eetsumkaus
no, it's just 38% of them didn't get away with corruption lol. Keep in mind, Korea already rebelled against authoritarians like 2-3 times, and it was only this last time that they've been able to keep it under control.
Margrave9000
Just how many presidents does 38% mean? 'President of South Korea since 1948' is hardly a populous demographic, it's an interesting choice to use the percentile as metric.
Avarice4020
5 or 6. Applied to the US it'd be about 17 presidents from the start and about the same if you start from 1948 with Harry S.
Cranbananarama
Hm. On the one hand, that's a dangerous pattern of corruption but, on the other, at least they actively tend to it..?
eetsumkaus
it's because the people who put them in jail are also corrupt lol
Tengenstein
Corruption exists everywhere.
TheInternetHasDestroyedUs
Surely you're not suggesting that America's patterns of corruption are not also dangerous, and currently, extremely.
sundaymondayhippyday
God no-
SinStar87
How many south koreans backed their president? in the US it was about a third of the voting population and another third counting registered voters who didn't turn out.
Daliena06
According to my quick searching, numbers vary from a quarter to a third of South Koreans opposing him being even impeached, nevermind facing criminal charges.
SinStar87
Looks like the opposition party has been in control of korean legislature since before the insurrection tho, so guessing he didn't have the support of the voting body like trump does.
TheMellowPeril
You can't really compare a modern, industrialised country with a third-world failed state
MrsHowVeryDareYou
Wow that’s really racist to say that about Ko… OHHHHHHH.
AidanPrydeCork
kontroversialkarma
Thanks for posting that. I've been saying that the US became a stagnant or nonprogressive (3rd world) country for decades and often got similar reactions. People disagreed or didn't understand. Which I found shocking. To learn that so many Americans are brainwashed into believing we're a superpower. Something we haven't been since the 1970s.
HardTimeKillinFoulNews
I think it's a little more complex than that. The US is stagnating, even declining, both domestically and abroad, but it still projects power (for now), not just militarily but a lot of soft power (economic, diplomatic and cultural). The Trump admin is gutting that soft power at a feverish pace, but the US is still too relevant internationally to be considered a "3rd world" country (in the non-cold-war sense of the term). I'll come back to my comment in a decade to see how badly it has aged.
KarmaciouS
There is some hard truth in this. And people tend to close their eyes on all the crimes comited by the US, like the organization of the genocide of 3 millions indonesian communists between 1955 and 1965 for the sole reason it was a threat to the mighty capitalism that was so favorable to US economic dominance.
US thanks their military people for their service like it's a religious thing, thruth is this is how you hide the truth under the carpet. Patriotism is a great tool to brainwash ppl too.
CrimsonPermanentAssurance
3rd world means a country not aligned with the United States or the Soviet Union
kontroversialkarma
"Third world" is considered an outdated irrelevant phrase today. Mostly because the US, that runs the media, has become a third world country itself. And finds the terminology offensive now.
TacoPoweredHelicopter
And the modern USA is no longer aligned with the values and goals of the USA when the term was coined.
samanthadlcruz
kinda seems like MAGA is trying to return us to those old time white supremacist values that the country was founded on. the rest of us kinda think we should do better.
LicensedAdHominem
There are several "three world" models and you've expertly picked the worst and least popular one.
billstranger
Language changes over time and is descriptive not prescriptive. For at least 20 years "3rd world country" means "shitty country with bad government and backward ideas that treats its people badly" or some other such "this place sucks" vibe.
Fentex
Only to the uneducated. The educated and experienced who lived most of their lives in the Cold War know what it means, even if many think it means Unindustrialised.
Akaszkronos
Unless you're not American, then it has had the meaning of underdeveloped countries for a very long time.
Fentex
Surprise, lot's of people on the Internet aren't from the U.S.A
AngelBolen91
Then rules as written, the MAGA USA is not aligned with the United States of America. -the Constitution
Gruesslibaer
But it is aligned with Soviet Russia. Just ask Putin.
friendsofsandwiches
well...we COULD have impeached Trump, the 2nd time,
But Mitch McConnel...*shrug*
KingdomsCrown
Fucking Bitch McConnell ruining things again
ShadyEsperanto
mitchypoo is a big reason we're having trouble with trump now as well. his plan to remake the judiciary by delaying appointments (and the dems' unwillingness to fight him on it) had massive consequences even beyond the current 6-3 conservative majority on SCOTUS
1stDrunkJoe
It's been a long process dismantling the guardrails to push us into an authoritarian oligarchy. It's a long listen but worth it. https://www.c-span.org/program/book-tv/antidemocratic-inside-the-far-rights-50-year-plot-to-control-american-elections/647419
ShadyEsperanto
great recommendation. the book is an incredible piece of journalism
shorey66
I believe he is know as Bitch McConnell these days
RyanSilver612
He was impeached but not convicted tue to McConnell
OnyxTurret
Sooo much corruption all over the place.
Cthulhuonabike
The fact that a singular individual can impede governmental oversight to the point of impotence only proves that the system is flawed and was bound for failure.
Dracology
Mitch wants to complain about Trump but hes the one that set up the entire foundation for this regimes ability to do all the shit its doing.
TomBrokaw
I do get a morbid chuckle out of the fact that Mitch's plan ended up getting him Trump instead of Newsom
WholeWheatBunnyHugger
His term expires and he will leave office in
January 2027.
When's the election to fill his spot?
supervillin
RatsLiveOnNoEvilStar
This November.
JustDriftingAboutTheInterWebs
notmuchthoughtoreffort
Missed opportunity to use the audio from Dead Skin Mask
Dapperworth
Oh yeah he's somehow still alive
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Dogman1227
Dude, Chuck was a MAGA cuck and supported trump.
Daliena06
.. Legend?
ElephantJackKang
If you look at the way his children and those that were close to him are speaking of him in his passing you'd understand why people refer to him as such. Political issues aside, it's important to recognize that being a good human being is more than just who you support in the polls. The only way forward is mutual understanding. Your comments ooze hatred from every angle, so I'm sure that comment is lost on you now. Maybe in the future you'll understand that perspective. - A progressive democrat.
conjuratio
It would be so nice if we had a properly functioning government
WholeWheatBunnyHugger
We still do. But the bullies have overtaken the schoolyard.
RoninTactican
I've been watching the NYC mayor's progress and its like watching a piece of fiction, how quickly he's solving problems.
veedubfreak
It's functioning just fine, if you're a billionaire child rapist. He makes money every time he screws with the markets
HFlashman
It would be so nice if you‘d actually use the stuff allowed by the second amendment for its intended purpose.
PunnyTiger
it functions exactly as intended, to keep power out of the hands of the people and under the control of those providing the most bribes
Hooooooo
We do. It is functioning as intended. Congress does not have the votes to do any of this because the people aren't voting for members who will do something. People are angry at democrats in congress for not doing anything, but don't seem to realize that there's really nothing they can do beyond speak out. If you're genuinely upset, go vote. vote in every election. local, state, federal. everything. Until a majority of people do that, and in the way you think it should be, nothing will change.
Isthe4thtimethecharm
At this point I would take partially functioning
JustinArnold
I would take 'not actively dismantling itself' as a consolation prize....
sundaymondayhippyday
US Was Bought And Paid For.
Unfortunately Propaganda Won and New-Bro-Technology-Oligarchs Control The Narrative….
BeatriceAine
Or if the dumbest people in the country weren't armed and completely fine with pedophiles if it means they can attack minorities.
Magnar1183
And if us Americans as a whole weren't so damn cowardly!
calenti
That would require a properly functioning citizenry. We get the government we insist on.
TheDoctorCrankenstein
RatsLiveOnNoEvilStar
I wouldn’t say it’s working as intended. That implies the founders wanted our current state. It was corrupted over decades of watering down powers and barriers.
It’s working how the current government wants it to work, but that’s not “working as intended”
The problem is the founders expected that the three branches would stand strong against each other and not give up their power. The President isn’t supposed to be above Congress or SCOTUS, they are equals. They chose to ignore that.
NeoMonish
Maybe not working as intended, but certainly working as designed.
PunnyTiger
if you steal an ambulance, then rip out the medical guts and add a turret gun and start killing the poor, it is working as intended. Not as intended by the original builder, or as intended by the people you stole it from, but as intended by the person who took control and violated it.
Lutki
Well the founders specifically thought that only white, male land owners should be allowed to participate in politics.
RatsLiveOnNoEvilStar
And recognizing that they were imperfect and that the will of the people would change over time, they built in methods for the constitution to change with those times.
The fact that they had faults doesn’t change their intent to design a system that resists tyranny