Bernie is not a Democratic Party member, he's an Independent. It's more that the DNC successfully crowned its members in 2016 and 2020. And the fact is the majority of Democratic voters didn't want him over Hillary either, though. He didn't just lose the superdelegates, he lost the popular vote. As great as he is, the Democratic Party is unfortunately mainly liberals who do not want a leftist as president.
Look, if Bernie ever expected to be part of the Democratic party he shouldn't be sitting as an independent. Of course the DNC "failed" him, he isn't a full time Democrat
The democrats and the media united to take him down in 2016 and 2020. There are many examples of it. It's also hard to get bills passed when most of the democrats would rather do some means tested, watered down bill that barely helps anyone than to actually offer something meaningful.
This is why we are where we are and why the democrats are in shambles.
What’s worse is that he is to this day used as a symbol of DNC corruption. This post is an excellent example of how the far-right loves using him to attack the DNC instead of placing the onus on voters to elect people we want.
As in, he is genuine, and the DNC/moderate dems are not? Because that's accurate. Hakeem Jeffries is closer to most republicans than most democrats are to Bernie. Republicans are selfish and evil, but they're not hiding their greed and virtue signaling like a lot of dems do.
We can't primary all the moderates out unless passionate progressives get involved, and it's a very long game to play in a period where we're already out of time to fix this.
And instead Hillary got the Money Nod and was so unlikeable she lost to the world's biggest lose, Trump. Bernie would have mopped the damn floor with him and we'd be okay instead of fucked over.
This not reflective of my desires, because I *want* Bernie to have been President, but he was never going to be President. Neither was Hillary, to be fair. Even a standard white Christian male would've been hard pressed. Trump was and still is a punishment for Obama, the outrage of racism lashing out. A socialist Jew, no matter how worthy of the position, could never become President even in much more generous circumstances, let alone with the impotent rage of an entire generation against him.
I disagree, Bernie knows how to run a populist campaign and that is what won Trump his second turn because it's damn effective at pulling in no/low info voters. The people were tired of establishment politicians in '16 (and still are) and Trump and Bernie were anything but (Hillary being an archetypal establishment poli)
The only thing stopping Bernie from winning in '16 was the thing that actually stopped him, the DNC and their mega-donors.
As I said, it doesn't matter. He could be JFK and MLK Jr and Jesus Christ all rolled into one and it wouldn't matter.
He's Jewish. He is openly socialist. He would have been coming off a two term Democrat. We just had our first black President. None of Gen Z could vote yet. Trump was still seen, even by the left, as merely another Republican, to be endured but surely would not actively try to destroy the country.
Hillary only lost by a small margin and people fucking *hate* her because of how boringly establishment she is. Imagine if someone who is actually likeable and could run a campaign that wasn't just 'vote for me or you're sexist' (hyperbole, relax) and you'd easily have seen another Dem win. All you're doing is trying to find excuses why Bernie would lose rather than weighing him vs Trump.
As for my age? My first election I could vote in would've been for Obama's first term if I was a yank.
I think you're deeply unaware of American culture and politics and want to imagine a fairy tale where The Perfect Candidate would have totally won and made the world awesome and then gave wedgies to all the bad guys.
I already said I wish Bernie had won, but I also wish for millions of dollars and for my missing teeth to grow back. Wishing don't mean nothing compared to reality, and the idea of Bernie winning is pure fantasy.
A country where the people mean more than the corporations, a country where doing business honestly would be enforced, a country where hate would be condemned and finally a country where women’s medical rights would be respected.
We didn't have a choice. DNC didn't want an Independent who was anti-corp running on their ticket so they fucked him and gave it to Shillary. Then she lost. Because of course she was going to. Sure, Russian interference and cheating aplenty, but holy fuck guys.
The DNC didn’t do that. Voters did. It wasn’t even close - and Biden’s margin was even bigger.
Bernie can’t even get his own legislation passed, but you think he would have won a national election on what basis, exactly? Polling? Yeah, that was NOTORIOUSLY accurate.
Fuck dude. When will you folk learn that wishes don’t change reality?
It’s a QAnon conspiracy theory that was extremely popular with Russian bot farms. They knew they could count on people like you to attack the DNC instead of the GOP, and behold. You’re still doing it even as concentration camps are being discussed. You’re nothing if not reliable.
You admitted you're not familiar, then called me stupid. But I am a communications specialist and know better than most that what you did there was infinitely more stupid. Especially considering nothing I said was even refutable, you didn't even try. That was so incredibly stupid, I bet you support Trump
THE PEOPLE chose Hillary and Biden over Bernie. Bernie has done good things to boost progressive awareness in this country, but he lost legitimately. If you keep pushing this bullshit about the primaries being rigged, you're no better than Trump supporters who are simply sore losers who cant accept reality when it doesn't go your way.
This is a bit misguided. We know that air time and visibility granted to a candidate has a large impact on their success. See trump in 2016 as an example. The DNC intentionally shorted Bernie on air and mass audience speaking time. The votes may not have been rigged, but just like voter suppression, the scales are for sure tilted.
DNC does not determine airtime for candidates, ffs. Y'all keep pushing this DNC bogeyman garbage and shows how utterly clueless you guys are about how any of this actually works. It's all just sore loser shit because you didn't get your way and cant accept reality. No different from Trump supporters. It's embarrassing, and worse, damaging because you guys keep trashing Democrats with false and bullshit claims, which just helps Republicans.
You guys are nearly as delusional as Trump supporters if y'all still really believe this. And nothing about the DNC prevented Bernie from winning any of his primaries. He simply isn't as popular as y'all seem to think. Being popular on social media is not representative of real life, ffs.
I’m so tired of hearing this bullshit from Bernie bros. He’s a good dude, but basically worthless as a leader. Who gives a shit what polls showed? We know polling is worthless. Voters didn’t back him.
yea they did.... the DNC refused to support him because he's to left leaning.... you do know the DNC and RNC are backed by the same rich little wankers right?
The DNC chose her. Superdelegates chose her. It was all about shoving the progressives down, and it's been that way (in the spotlight, at least) since 2015.
Oh, and voters chose Biden by an even bigger margin after the DNC scrapped their superdelegate system.
Conspiracy theories are cute but maybe leave them for the MAGA folk. Bernie can’t even get a bill passed, but he’s supposed to lead the country? Jesus.
He was also willing to deal with red state voters and not just write them off as 'deplorables'. We've also learned that there's a sizable population that doesn't turn up for polling. Who need to be energized by someone willing to fight for them (yes, even if they're obvious liars like Trump).
Yes, votes are what matters in the end, but let's not pretend the DNC was impartial in that election. They did everything in their power to push a much less popular candidate in the media, who then lost to Trump.
A “much less popular candidate” who, once again, won substantially more votes.
Your argument is akin to claiming you won the lottery because your ticket has the numbers that have come up the most in the past, even though they don’t match what was needed to win this time.
No. I stand on the side of science. How come polling accurately predicted the result of the last election?
I held up the evidence again and again here. Trump was ahead in every swing state. The danger was real. I was told again and again that evidence meant nothing. And what happened? It turns out science was right. The fact denialist are still so popular just because of Hillary losing a decade ago breaks my heart.
yeah how about those rape fantasy essays he wrote in college. the reason he polled decently is because the GOP was treating him with kid gloves so they could use him as a weapon against hillary
Many people voted trump because he was an "outsider" while Clinton represented the status quo. That logic doesn't work for Bernie who has always fought against the status quo. I do believe he had a better chance than Clinton, because he would have skyrocketed voter turnout.
I think people dont realize how incredibly, deeply hated clinton was, for whatever stupid reasons. Bernie polled 10, 15% higher than trump where clintons highest was I think 8%, and mostly idled around 3-5.
She was literally the most popular American politician for years and literally the most admired woman in America FOR DECADES before she ran for president.
On top of being a Disney princess, Bernie is a fucking hero. A man of the people for the People. But the Americans prefer deranged rapist fascists who fantasise about their own daughter, evidently. We don't see the Americans rising up to oust the one they elected twice.
said it many a time in the past, probably the best president you'll never have. at least he has a back up career as a disney princess or roles as an extra playing judgemental audience member.
Maybe you didn’t notice but everybody involved in Bernie’s 2016 was a grifting clown and some of them are currently serving in the Trump administration. Bernie is a terrible judge of people and terrible at management and that’s what the job of being president IS.
Would've been if progressives and independents had bothered to turn up at the primary vote.
But the DNC primary turnout was lower in 2016 than in 2008. Less than 30% of eligible registered Democratic voters actually showed up.
The result was, regardless of other shenanigans at play, Hillary won by over 4 million votes in the primary popular vote. That's 12% of the total vote. A landslide.
The DNC has never elected a candidate that didn't win the primary popular vote. Not in modern history.
Maybe stupid question but how do you have registered democratic voters? Aren't votes hidden? And wouldn't the votes have had been cast to know only 30% showed up? I'm not from the US and feel like I'm missing something
When you register to vote, you can register as Democrat, Republican, or one of the several Independent parties. Your voter registration form will reflect that choice. The parties are able to see what you're registered as when you go to cast your ballot in their primary.
Open primaries allow anyone to vote. Closed primaries only allow voters registered as that party to vote.
The turnout numbers are a very simple calculation of total votes divided by total registered voters.
“Bernie hasn’t passed anything in decades, but somehow he would have won a national election after proving that a leftist couldn’t even win a primary in a mainstream party.”
That would be nice. I’m sick of having to deal with Nazis trying to strip personhood from LGBTQ+ folk while also having to deal with circular firing squad bullshit conspiracy theories like this post
okay but the president doesn't make laws, congress does. at no point in recent history has the restriction point for passing good laws ever been a democratic president; it has always been some conservative asshole from a red state who was only a democrat for like weird ancestral pre-southern strategy reasons but who was also somehow still our critical 50th vote in the senate
okay go ahead and name a president that you think was a good president, but who also did not have signifcant margins in congress that helped pass actual legislation
No, he almost certainly would not have. It's incredibly how insanely ignorant people here are about politics. Bernie is not a coalition builder and that's something a President NEEDS to be. Bernie's history of getting his agenda pushed in Congress is fucking abysmal. Bernie is good at talking and spreading awareness, but he's not the kind of guy you want leading the country, ffs.
Of course Bernie would have been better than Trump. A burnt piece of toast would have been a better President than Trump. But there's no reason to think Bernie would have been some amazing President. So many people seem to have NO CLUE how government works and that Presidents aren't kings. But clearly the 'suggestion' being made here was that Bernie would have been way better than Hillary or Biden. And there's absolutely no real reason to believe that other than ignorant delusions.
He would have only gotten two picks at most, but likely just one. And I agree it's one area where Bernie's picks likely would have been favorable, but it's not like Hillary/Biden wouldn't have had good picks, either. Either way, there's a lot more to the Presidency than just that. Also, those picks would still have needed to pass Senate confirmation, and with Republicans likely in the way. Again another area where Dems likely could have found passable picks, while Bernie might not have.
I'm like 10x more informed about politics than basically 99% of people here. What I'm saying isn't some fringe belief, it's just anything any half intelligent person paying actual attention to politics would understand. But you guys are all reactionary idiots who get all of your 'understanding' of politics from social media, and are wildly uninformed as a result. You guys prove this shit over and over and over. It's embarrassing how bad most all of you are at understanding politics.
thisistheusernamethatneverendss
Agreed, but he should’ve fully committed to the Democratic Party before seeking to be their nominee.
laserfork
Bernie is not a Democratic Party member, he's an Independent. It's more that the DNC successfully crowned its members in 2016 and 2020. And the fact is the majority of Democratic voters didn't want him over Hillary either, though. He didn't just lose the superdelegates, he lost the popular vote. As great as he is, the Democratic Party is unfortunately mainly liberals who do not want a leftist as president.
baldewok
A hero among men wasted his life with DNC
Edgarflaps
That smile is genuine.
duktayp
Birb wanted some water
ashtom
OlyWa510
I miss the days where there was hope...
jakedafish
DNC failed all of us.
epicjim
He would have beat Trump in 2016.
AwwWrecker
When a bird, a delicate creature of nature endorses Bernie it's not a sign from God. When a tornado hits, it's cos God was mad at gays.
SkinnerTBD
All the other candidates ever get is flies crawling on them.
UncleRat
S, just as I thought, Bernie is a Disney character.
Sebastopol140
Disney princess.
PrincessPuffyPants
To be fair, the DNC failed the entire Democratic party, and all the people within it!
Audasity
i didnt know Bernie was also a disney princess
lunarobverse
I WAS THERE WHEN THIS HAPPENED
oregone
Me too! Later I got drunk at the Basement Pub and stole two chairs.
Spiffytown
Failed us all, they did. This should be paired with Pence’s fly.
daianaaaa
back when we still had a shred of hope.
proracing53
God, what this world could have been if he had won.
blowmywhistler
Look, if Bernie ever expected to be part of the Democratic party he shouldn't be sitting as an independent. Of course the DNC "failed" him, he isn't a full time Democrat
wadatahmydamie
The voters failed Bernie, and the country.
Bernie is a good dude, but fuck, he’s never been a leader. He can’t get bills passed and he can’t get himself elected on a national stage.
Quelex
The democrats and the media united to take him down in 2016 and 2020. There are many examples of it. It's also hard to get bills passed when most of the democrats would rather do some means tested, watered down bill that barely helps anyone than to actually offer something meaningful.
This is why we are where we are and why the democrats are in shambles.
georgejimmydoodle
If people had voted for him, he would have been the nominee. But they didn't.
mardukkur
The media fucking loved Bernie in both campaigns. Because the media will promote anyone and anything that will help get Republicans elected.
AbsolutelyNotBacon
Hey that guy in the background is how you actually do a "my heart goes out to you" gesture.
honkahonka82
He also knows Arsenio Hall’s signature move. ✊
Fanner50
Not if you’re a Nazi
ThomasTheWankEnglne
sucks, all i can see when i look at this guy is pity, fought his whole life and its worse as its ever been. really disheartening.
wadatahmydamie
What’s worse is that he is to this day used as a symbol of DNC corruption. This post is an excellent example of how the far-right loves using him to attack the DNC instead of placing the onus on voters to elect people we want.
Quelex
As in, he is genuine, and the DNC/moderate dems are not? Because that's accurate. Hakeem Jeffries is closer to most republicans than most democrats are to Bernie. Republicans are selfish and evil, but they're not hiding their greed and virtue signaling like a lot of dems do.
We can't primary all the moderates out unless passionate progressives get involved, and it's a very long game to play in a period where we're already out of time to fix this.
wadatahmydamie
@Qualex really earned that Q in their name. Fucking conspiracy theory trolls
billycakers
Birdie Sanders
DigitalGuru42
Still got my sticker of that!
cepacolusmaximus
a flash of hope before the darkness
JustaSchoscher
Those were some happier times
flarflarf
Imagine what the country would have been if Bernie had won in 2016. Just so wildly different.
tarkus10
And instead Hillary got the Money Nod and was so unlikeable she lost to the world's biggest lose, Trump. Bernie would have mopped the damn floor with him and we'd be okay instead of fucked over.
Altanese
This not reflective of my desires, because I *want* Bernie to have been President, but he was never going to be President. Neither was Hillary, to be fair. Even a standard white Christian male would've been hard pressed. Trump was and still is a punishment for Obama, the outrage of racism lashing out. A socialist Jew, no matter how worthy of the position, could never become President even in much more generous circumstances, let alone with the impotent rage of an entire generation against him.
Abizuil
I disagree, Bernie knows how to run a populist campaign and that is what won Trump his second turn because it's damn effective at pulling in no/low info voters. The people were tired of establishment politicians in '16 (and still are) and Trump and Bernie were anything but (Hillary being an archetypal establishment poli)
The only thing stopping Bernie from winning in '16 was the thing that actually stopped him, the DNC and their mega-donors.
Altanese
As I said, it doesn't matter. He could be JFK and MLK Jr and Jesus Christ all rolled into one and it wouldn't matter.
He's Jewish. He is openly socialist. He would have been coming off a two term Democrat. We just had our first black President. None of Gen Z could vote yet. Trump was still seen, even by the left, as merely another Republican, to be endured but surely would not actively try to destroy the country.
Can I ask how old you are?
Abizuil
Hillary only lost by a small margin and people fucking *hate* her because of how boringly establishment she is. Imagine if someone who is actually likeable and could run a campaign that wasn't just 'vote for me or you're sexist' (hyperbole, relax) and you'd easily have seen another Dem win. All you're doing is trying to find excuses why Bernie would lose rather than weighing him vs Trump.
As for my age? My first election I could vote in would've been for Obama's first term if I was a yank.
Altanese
I think you're deeply unaware of American culture and politics and want to imagine a fairy tale where The Perfect Candidate would have totally won and made the world awesome and then gave wedgies to all the bad guys.
I already said I wish Bernie had won, but I also wish for millions of dollars and for my missing teeth to grow back. Wishing don't mean nothing compared to reality, and the idea of Bernie winning is pure fantasy.
Jamnew60
A country where the people mean more than the corporations, a country where doing business honestly would be enforced, a country where hate would be condemned and finally a country where women’s medical rights would be respected.
authorcalebchapman
Probably, but there are a lot of reasons people didn’t vote for him to begin with
KommanderKayriel
We didn't have a choice. DNC didn't want an Independent who was anti-corp running on their ticket so they fucked him and gave it to Shillary. Then she lost. Because of course she was going to. Sure, Russian interference and cheating aplenty, but holy fuck guys.
authorcalebchapman
The DNC didn’t do that. Voters did. It wasn’t even close - and Biden’s margin was even bigger.
Bernie can’t even get his own legislation passed, but you think he would have won a national election on what basis, exactly? Polling? Yeah, that was NOTORIOUSLY accurate.
Fuck dude. When will you folk learn that wishes don’t change reality?
authorcalebchapman
I didn’t know that old QAnon conspiracy theory about the DNC sabotaging Bernie was still being passed off as a leftist position.
Seggs
its not a qanon theory, theres quite a bit of documentation.
mardukkur
If by quite a big of documentation you mean baseless conspiracy theories and literal Russian propaganda.
authorcalebchapman
It’s a QAnon conspiracy theory that was extremely popular with Russian bot farms. They knew they could count on people like you to attack the DNC instead of the GOP, and behold. You’re still doing it even as concentration camps are being discussed. You’re nothing if not reliable.
aqueueforyou
The DNC was literally forced in court to admit that they're not democratic. That's not a conspiracy you dimwit, that's public record!
authorcalebchapman
Not too familiar with the ruling, I see. It’s okay. Not all of us deal with court filings on a day to day basis.
I bet you think SCOTUS declared universal presidential immunity too.
I’m not saying you’re stupid, just that you repeat information that was first propagated by idiots without bothering to think for yourself.
aqueueforyou
You admitted you're not familiar, then called me stupid. But I am a communications specialist and know better than most that what you did there was infinitely more stupid. Especially considering nothing I said was even refutable, you didn't even try. That was so incredibly stupid, I bet you support Trump
authorcalebchapman
Was your comment written by AI?
Seanspeed
THE PEOPLE chose Hillary and Biden over Bernie. Bernie has done good things to boost progressive awareness in this country, but he lost legitimately. If you keep pushing this bullshit about the primaries being rigged, you're no better than Trump supporters who are simply sore losers who cant accept reality when it doesn't go your way.
somerandomusernamething
This is a bit misguided. We know that air time and visibility granted to a candidate has a large impact on their success. See trump in 2016 as an example. The DNC intentionally shorted Bernie on air and mass audience speaking time. The votes may not have been rigged, but just like voter suppression, the scales are for sure tilted.
Seanspeed
DNC does not determine airtime for candidates, ffs. Y'all keep pushing this DNC bogeyman garbage and shows how utterly clueless you guys are about how any of this actually works. It's all just sore loser shit because you didn't get your way and cant accept reality. No different from Trump supporters. It's embarrassing, and worse, damaging because you guys keep trashing Democrats with false and bullshit claims, which just helps Republicans.
Mikataki
Interesting how you keep shifting actions around to make the bad actors in 2016 look innocent.
Halohatch
The only bad actors in 2016 were Russian agents who are very fucking happy with how much you liked their misinformation meal you're still spewing
Mikataki
What a convenient scapegoat. Have you thought the possibility there might be more than one bad actor involved?
somerandomusernamething
The leak was done by Russia but the content of the leak was accurate. The DNC had a strong bias against Bernie, assisted in her funding, and pushed media to give Bernie less air time. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Democratic_National_Committee_email_leak
Skyff
In an alternative timeline Bernie got the DNC support and beat Trump.
Seanspeed
You guys are nearly as delusional as Trump supporters if y'all still really believe this. And nothing about the DNC prevented Bernie from winning any of his primaries. He simply isn't as popular as y'all seem to think. Being popular on social media is not representative of real life, ffs.
wadatahmydamie
Correct.
I’m so tired of hearing this bullshit from Bernie bros. He’s a good dude, but basically worthless as a leader. Who gives a shit what polls showed? We know polling is worthless. Voters didn’t back him.
Stefnos
yea they did.... the DNC refused to support him because he's to left leaning.... you do know the DNC and RNC are backed by the same rich little wankers right?
wadatahmydamie
Is 17 a larger number than 13? It’s a yes or no question.
glovelyday
Alternate reality. I love Bernie, but a majority of voters don't.
RoninTactican
Bernie would have beat trump. it would have been a battle of the extremes rather than extreme vs business as usual.
Skyff
Somehow, despite all that is going on, I forgot compassion and solidarity is an extreme position in the US. Silly me.
wadatahmydamie
Bernie couldn’t even beat Clinton. The voters chose her.
Mikataki
The DNC chose her. Superdelegates chose her. It was all about shoving the progressives down, and it's been that way (in the spotlight, at least) since 2015.
wadatahmydamie
Oh, and voters chose Biden by an even bigger margin after the DNC scrapped their superdelegate system.
Conspiracy theories are cute but maybe leave them for the MAGA folk. Bernie can’t even get a bill passed, but he’s supposed to lead the country? Jesus.
wadatahmydamie
The voters chose her, by a margin of about 4,000,000.
KoalaOnTheJuice
Often parroted by the media but not evidence by polling. Quite the opposite in fact.
netutoring
He was also willing to deal with red state voters and not just write them off as 'deplorables'. We've also learned that there's a sizable population that doesn't turn up for polling. Who need to be energized by someone willing to fight for them (yes, even if they're obvious liars like Trump).
glovelyday
He would simply have been branded a "Commie" in red states and it would have stuck.
Stinkleberg
Exactly. He was the most popular politician in America. He would have won if he had been treated fairly.
authorcalebchapman
Evidence by votes is what matters. Polling has zero impact on electoral outcomes. How are people still too stupid to understand this?
Ultratoxic
Yes, votes are what matters in the end, but let's not pretend the DNC was impartial in that election. They did everything in their power to push a much less popular candidate in the media, who then lost to Trump.
authorcalebchapman
A “much less popular candidate” who, once again, won substantially more votes.
Your argument is akin to claiming you won the lottery because your ticket has the numbers that have come up the most in the past, even though they don’t match what was needed to win this time.
KoalaOnTheJuice
No. I stand on the side of science. How come polling accurately predicted the result of the last election?
I held up the evidence again and again here. Trump was ahead in every swing state. The danger was real. I was told again and again that evidence meant nothing. And what happened? It turns out science was right. The fact denialist are still so popular just because of Hillary losing a decade ago breaks my heart.
authorcalebchapman
You “stand on the side of science” but can’t accept that 17 is a bigger number than 13.
flarflarf
he polled way better against trump than clinton did. I dont want to be a cliche, but bernie would have won. He just couldnt defeat clinton.
glovelyday
He never got to the real battle. Emails? How about weeks and weeks of America's TVs screaming "He's a fucking Commie!!!"
SaveitforQueenDoppelpoppolus
yeah how about those rape fantasy essays he wrote in college. the reason he polled decently is because the GOP was treating him with kid gloves so they could use him as a weapon against hillary
wadatahmydamie
As you can see, their strategy still works even to this day
netutoring
You mean like they've done to every Democratic candidate? Nothing new there.
somerandomusernamething
Many people voted trump because he was an "outsider" while Clinton represented the status quo. That logic doesn't work for Bernie who has always fought against the status quo. I do believe he had a better chance than Clinton, because he would have skyrocketed voter turnout.
wadatahmydamie
Based on exactly zero evidence, of course. He couldn’t beat Clinton, he couldn’t beat Biden, and he wouldn’t have beaten Trump.
“Most people” voted for Clinton. The electoral college chose Trump.
flarflarf
I think people dont realize how incredibly, deeply hated clinton was, for whatever stupid reasons. Bernie polled 10, 15% higher than trump where clintons highest was I think 8%, and mostly idled around 3-5.
flarflarf
People didnt like trump. They hated clinton. In 2016 trump faced basically the only person on earth he could possibly defeat.
mardukkur
She was literally the most popular American politician for years and literally the most admired woman in America FOR DECADES before she ran for president.
wadatahmydamie
So deeply hated that she won the popular vote by millions. I’m so, so tired of this conspiracy shit.
Sebastopol140
That's still awesome. Bernie would have been a great POTUS.
KleptoKea
On top of being a Disney princess, Bernie is a fucking hero. A man of the people for the People. But the Americans prefer deranged rapist fascists who fantasise about their own daughter, evidently. We don't see the Americans rising up to oust the one they elected twice.
baals
Bernie in 28
DrDadJokes
jfrhvkm26r
Some parallel dimension is having a hell of a grand old time right now. Oh well. Happy for em.
boondoggle2025
Same.
Pishposhbingbong
said it many a time in the past, probably the best president you'll never have. at least he has a back up career as a disney princess or roles as an extra playing judgemental audience member.
mardukkur
Maybe you didn’t notice but everybody involved in Bernie’s 2016 was a grifting clown and some of them are currently serving in the Trump administration. Bernie is a terrible judge of people and terrible at management and that’s what the job of being president IS.
CatEyebrows
Right? Makes me have the big sad
countbassy
Should have been
LoudBirb
Would've been if progressives and independents had bothered to turn up at the primary vote.
But the DNC primary turnout was lower in 2016 than in 2008. Less than 30% of eligible registered Democratic voters actually showed up.
The result was, regardless of other shenanigans at play, Hillary won by over 4 million votes in the primary popular vote. That's 12% of the total vote. A landslide.
The DNC has never elected a candidate that didn't win the primary popular vote. Not in modern history.
Myowngrampa
Maybe stupid question but how do you have registered democratic voters? Aren't votes hidden? And wouldn't the votes have had been cast to know only 30% showed up? I'm not from the US and feel like I'm missing something
Myowngrampa
Oh it's probably just the people that took this survey and said they were democrats
LoudBirb
When you register to vote, you can register as Democrat, Republican, or one of the several Independent parties. Your voter registration form will reflect that choice. The parties are able to see what you're registered as when you go to cast your ballot in their primary.
Open primaries allow anyone to vote. Closed primaries only allow voters registered as that party to vote.
The turnout numbers are a very simple calculation of total votes divided by total registered voters.
wadatahmydamie
Yeah? What are his accomplishments as a senator? What bills has he gotten passed? What legislation is named after him?
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wadatahmydamie
Right?
“Bernie hasn’t passed anything in decades, but somehow he would have won a national election after proving that a leftist couldn’t even win a primary in a mainstream party.”
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wadatahmydamie
That would be nice. I’m sick of having to deal with Nazis trying to strip personhood from LGBTQ+ folk while also having to deal with circular firing squad bullshit conspiracy theories like this post
SaveitforQueenDoppelpoppolus
okay but the president doesn't make laws, congress does. at no point in recent history has the restriction point for passing good laws ever been a democratic president; it has always been some conservative asshole from a red state who was only a democrat for like weird ancestral pre-southern strategy reasons but who was also somehow still our critical 50th vote in the senate
GeorgeCostabaplaps
Refoooorrrrrm
FortheKing56
What does that have to do with whether or not he would have made a solid POTUS?
SaveitforQueenDoppelpoppolus
what does "passing laws" have to do with whether a politician is good? what do you think politicians do?
Lachwen
But as you said, the president doesn't make laws. So I guess the president is by default not a politician?
SaveitforQueenDoppelpoppolus
okay go ahead and name a president that you think was a good president, but who also did not have signifcant margins in congress that helped pass actual legislation
Seanspeed
No, he almost certainly would not have. It's incredibly how insanely ignorant people here are about politics. Bernie is not a coalition builder and that's something a President NEEDS to be. Bernie's history of getting his agenda pushed in Congress is fucking abysmal. Bernie is good at talking and spreading awareness, but he's not the kind of guy you want leading the country, ffs.
CatEyebrows
Wow, reading some of your comments. You are like the epitome of a mansplainer. Jesus Christ
L1ttl3J1m
Shyeah good thing they went with the guy who's totally good at that.
Seanspeed
We're talking about among Democrats here. Biden indeed was one of the best at this.
L1ttl3J1m
As they say in the classics, what's this "we" business, white man?
StarshipSuperTrooper
First off, let me be the first to welcome you back from your coma. I assume you went in pre-2016. The guy who became president was awful.
I can't say Bernie would have been the best president. But he certainly would have been a president.
For fuck sake. An adult at the helm 2016 - 2020. COVID, actually fighting climate change instead of encouraging it, 3-4 progressive Supreme Court picks, etc
Seanspeed
Of course Bernie would have been better than Trump. A burnt piece of toast would have been a better President than Trump. But there's no reason to think Bernie would have been some amazing President. So many people seem to have NO CLUE how government works and that Presidents aren't kings. But clearly the 'suggestion' being made here was that Bernie would have been way better than Hillary or Biden. And there's absolutely no real reason to believe that other than ignorant delusions.
StarshipSuperTrooper
3-4 progressive Supreme Court picks would have made Bernie better than Hillary or Biden.
Seanspeed
He would have only gotten two picks at most, but likely just one. And I agree it's one area where Bernie's picks likely would have been favorable, but it's not like Hillary/Biden wouldn't have had good picks, either. Either way, there's a lot more to the Presidency than just that. Also, those picks would still have needed to pass Senate confirmation, and with Republicans likely in the way. Again another area where Dems likely could have found passable picks, while Bernie might not have.
Seanspeed
Christ you all are fucking morons.
CatEyebrows
Please mansplain more to us pleebs
ChainmailleAddict
Yeah man, everyone's wrong and you don't need to evaluate anything about yourself whatsoever
Seanspeed
I'm like 10x more informed about politics than basically 99% of people here. What I'm saying isn't some fringe belief, it's just anything any half intelligent person paying actual attention to politics would understand. But you guys are all reactionary idiots who get all of your 'understanding' of politics from social media, and are wildly uninformed as a result. You guys prove this shit over and over and over. It's embarrassing how bad most all of you are at understanding politics.
PeesInShowers
Yeah I'm sure Fox News is feeding you wholesome and truthful good stuff.
Stefnos
why do you talk like Donald Trump?