Sep 14, 2020 4:32 AM
WarlockWithNoPatron
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adamantos
Plus Antisemitism. In the end, all conspiracy theories boil down to hating Jews. It's really lame.
EinElchsaft
Embrace chaos, vote Dooooom
mossom
tazedconfused
GodzillaBoomingMarketOfDiabetes
Chaos theory is a savage and scary thing
ChalkCoatedDonut
Conspiracy theories were made for the poor to blame the rich for nature events and the realization we are faceless ants.
Capnrory
Conspiracy theories also let people who are dumber than everyone else feel smarter than everyone else for a change
CarVersus
People don't think it be like it is, but it do
BigBeautifulFurries
That or extreme antisemitism
Thatannoyinggit
Yes!!!! This meme perfectly represents what I try to discript to people. MINE NOW.
sawer999
it was more fun when these people were religious, using god to explain away the weirdness of the world rather than pizza shop pedo rings.
ytseone
This IS religious. Just the most intellectually decrepit, bastardized version possible. QANONAONAONOANAOON
cursemonkey
I think it's the reward being in on the unique "genius" that fits disparate evidence into a conspiracy.
ForeveraKritik
Have you seen Dan Olsen's "In search of a Flat Earth"? If not, highly recommend. It's on the YT channel Folding Ideas.
BopTheDrass
Illuminati shill spotted
Oh shit. My cover's blown!
PlaidBastard
Don't forget 'powerful and perverse human desire for everything to be connected, just like the one that made us invent storytelling.'
curiositykilledmyniggyJesus
Ain't conspiracy bot!!!!! Trying to defame the credibility of conspiracies, our government is evil and we need to know.
Governments are evil in mundane ways. Governments are evil because they are made up of selfish people, willing to lie and cheat their way...
...to power. They're not lizards. They're not aliens. They're just humans squabbling with each other to get every scrap of power they can.
belindashort
Don't forget antisemitism
ambiencenever
CT replaced a big percentage of effective class warfare. Thanks, red scare. So obvious who's fucking us, but that's not interesting enough.
gifOfSamRockwellDancing
Alan Moore said this best
CmfMttnPpl
Is it wierd to like conspiracy theories, like I don't believe in 99% of them but they're fun to read and think about
Highly recommend TimeSuck. It's a weird informational podcast where they talk about the weirdest conspiracies and cults people believe in.
I've never really been ibto podcasts but ill definitely check it out.
Youhavinagiraffe
And anti-semitism... don't forget about the anti-semitism
"A Jewish person has more money than me? Well that can't be right."
Keairan
My biggest rule for whether or not a conspiracy has merit. Does it have a specific group who it benefits? If yes, then investigating it (1)
further is not worthless. If it's some nebulous shadow group, then it's probably a pointless waste of time.
Nikolai5
Conspiracy theories are beneficial to governments because there's so many of them they serve as chaff covering the wheat that is the real
Like "The liars dividend". If everything thinks politicians just lie all the time it means the most egregious liars get an advantage 1
Conspiracy theories act as a "Corrupt profiteers dividend". The most corrupt get a level playing field AND the benefits of their corruption
crimes that the governments are committing. So conspiracy theorists that don't trust the government are unwittingly helping them.
Tapception
Also deep-rooted racism/xenophobia. You guys should check out “In Search of a Flat Earth” on youtube, a good doc on conspiracy theorists.
mjangelvortex
Quite a bit of conspiracy theorists I've seen were pretty bigoted (not just to race since I've seen some that were sexist and homophobic).
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JTfhYyTuT44
thehumanoidsarecoming
people are downvoting this but its true, most of our conspiracies are rehashed from ideas that came from secret societies in the mid 1800s
the majority of which were pretty fucking racist
PerpetuityPhoto
Most of them are less "Chaotic Universe" and more "Blame everyone else for my problems".
Which is made doubly troublesome by the fact that many of them get their roots from the same Russian bullshit.
(Seriously, go look up the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", a con job that Russian cops put out to justify hunting jews)
And yes, I didn't mix that up, I did say Russians. WAY before Addy-Hit would start hunting Jewish people, the Russians were doing it.
Kenkenny82
I think, conspiracy theories about control is also a need to feel important. If the powerful try to control you, that mean you have value.
NuclearGradeIrony
They also make you feel like you understand something others don't. Then you preach them to people and get pissed off if they don't believe.
Elven91
Correction: It means your failure are not really your fault and you can blame some evil-doer for your sad life
That is also a big factor. Having a myth to blame makes people feel better.
It makes people feel like the understand something about the world they live in, like a lot of ancient myths.
Sageypie
Well that, and also just the feeling that there's something out there that's actually in control of it all, and that it's not just all chaos
TacTheScribbler
"...like a lot of ancient myths" seems far more apt than one might think at first.
Conspiracy theories are modern myths in a era when the natural world is more understood, but the cooperate/political world are more complex.
BigYellowFish
That is a really good point. Everyone I’ve met who has some sort of conspiracy theory has been uncomfortable with the fact that things 1/3
Just “happen” sometimes. It’s as if they need to believe that their lives are controlled by external forces so there’s someone to blame. 2/3
If the universe is chaotic, then they’re largely in charge of their own destiny, and that terrifies them. 3/3
FunkyKick
things happen, but people make choices
The illuminati aren't responsible for you not getting that promotion. Maybe Debbie was just more qualified. Maybe your boss flipped a coin.
Tminus1622d
There is some overlap with some religious people.
TheAnswerWasAlwaysMoreLube
Consider how few conspiracy theories there is about the Reagan assassination attemp compared to the Kennedy assassination attempt.
The acts themselves are very similar, but the consequences of the outcome is what makes people uncomfortable.
My favorite non-conspiracy event is the JFK assassination. The third shot was most likely one of the secret service people who accidently>>
fired a shot. That's embarassing as fck, so when the public 'omg, Russians! Grassy knoll! CIA!' they just went 'yes, you focus on that.'
Here's another similar event: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_I_of_Yugoslavia#Assassination French minister Barthou and visiting>>
Alexander were sitting in the same car. Assassin strikes, hits and kills Alexander and the driver. Barthou was shot and killed by the>>
French police, accidental. They kept that as quiet as possible. Just think about it. Guarding someone is usually boring as fck and it goes>>
from nothing to he's already dead in seconds. So there is confusion and chaos, combine that with poor trigger discipline, or just panic.>>
GroovyCrowley
Unpopular opinion?: while most theories (especially atm) aren't worth a second thought. You shouldn't condemn every theory. For 2 reasons:
casbott
Conspiracy theory: QAnon is a planned psy ops operation to create a bunch of useful idiots that will believe any orders.
JackieTreehornProductions
If 1 out of 100 crazy sounding conspiracy theories ends up true, it doesn’t give credibility to the next 100 to come along. Worse yet it /1
Feeds the attention the people creating these theories crave. They are seeded in monetary and psychological motives, not truth most of all.
Chadward10011
What’s wrong with Ass To Mouth?
NikolaiJakovtheheadoftheKGB
Did I say bass to mouth? I meant ass to trout
Sleepy360
TeddyBearHeaven
It’s a conspiracy theory. Nobody else in the world is doing it except for you.
SpoonOfDoom
It's just not hygienic.
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PGTipsMonkeh
It better fuckin not be
yawkeyharwitz
Never go ass to mouth.
The5lacker
“The fact that conspiracies do indeed exist sometimes” is not a reason to take conspiracy theories seriously. Take evidence seriously.
..... It's not about taken them seriously.... But your reaction proofs perfect what I mean. Thank you.
Bigboipoi
Why not actually read the second part of his comment
Rediix
I feel a problem is that so many thing we once thought were conspiracy have now become true regarding the corruption in our society 1/2
Sometimes its hard to question what new lows we could reveal
“Maybe the world is worse than we think” isn’t a conspiracy theory. “The world IS worst than YOU think it is, and I have the TRUTH!” is.
Blutsaugher
I don't think you're seeing the point. Follow the evidence into the conclusion, not the other way. That's why conspiracy theories are bs.
Im not claiming to believe in them myself. It's just easy to see how people can be misled when everyday there is news on vip paedo rings 1/2
TheAssassinArtemisEntreri
Noooooo! You're the problem. You spreading these to your crazy aunts isn't going to fix them. Real evidence and investigations will.
Lol you are a fucking moron. You haven't understood a word from what I said.
Crowley's point seems to be there there have been actual conspiracies that have come to light. Watergate and the Bay of Pigs come to mind...
... And he fears that talking about how conspiracies theories are bad could discourage legitimate investigations into such conspiracies...
...That is very possible, but bit I feel that it does not detract from the need to call out insane conspiracies for what they are, and...
...and use them as a way to better understand critical thinking and how to determine the legitimate, from the illegitimate.
MandrewJackson
I think op is referring to things like 5g causing COVID, Bill Gates planting chips in our brains through vaccines, Q'unts thinking Trump 1/
"Qunt", imma steal that.
is fighting the deep state pedos and liberals are starting the wildfires, people thinking masks hurt you and COVID isn't really killing 2/
killing people, scientists have a cure for cancer but won't share it, the earth is flat, etc. Which of these should I not dismiss? 3/3
Pretty much yeah.
JHawke
Oh wow, the longest one I've seen yet with absolutely 0 possibility of error. *claps slowly*
1st: there were theories that became reality after for example documents made it to public. 2nd: it can be used as a distraction, calling
Something a conspiration theory, will convince most ppl that it is bullshit. Especially after the recent years where every second stupid
Idea became a conspiration theory.
Catbug430
The closest thing to a conspiracy that i give possible credence to is Shield Bankers, because that SEEMS somewhat plausible
PiggyWobbles
sensible rational humans would rely on things like "evidence" to determine what is and is not a silly conspiracy theory
Danieltheengineer
That's a fair point. Back in April, fox called it a conspiracy theory when Biden said Trump would try to delay the election. Then he did.
justarandomfandom
Like the conspiracy that the gov pumped drugs into certain communities to quell rebellion. Then it was confirmed
laiskamato
Sauce?
Only condemning grand conspiracies here, for example: New World Order, The Illuminati, Satanic Cults ruling Hollywood. Anything that...
HaveYouEverEverFletLikeThis
Planet X coming to distory us
Red2335
Yeah instead of Satanists running Hollywood it was pedophiles and rapists
BaklavaMatatas
I love people who talk about the big bad shadow government ruling the world. Dude they're right here, in plain sight, nothing secret
...requires multiple large groups to cooperate secretly for long periods of time is all but doomed to fail. The level of commitment...
adamantos
Plus Antisemitism. In the end, all conspiracy theories boil down to hating Jews. It's really lame.
EinElchsaft
Embrace chaos, vote Dooooom
mossom
tazedconfused
GodzillaBoomingMarketOfDiabetes
Chaos theory is a savage and scary thing
ChalkCoatedDonut
Conspiracy theories were made for the poor to blame the rich for nature events and the realization we are faceless ants.
Capnrory
Conspiracy theories also let people who are dumber than everyone else feel smarter than everyone else for a change
CarVersus
People don't think it be like it is, but it do
BigBeautifulFurries
That or extreme antisemitism
Thatannoyinggit
Yes!!!! This meme perfectly represents what I try to discript to people. MINE NOW.
sawer999
it was more fun when these people were religious, using god to explain away the weirdness of the world rather than pizza shop pedo rings.
ytseone
This IS religious. Just the most intellectually decrepit, bastardized version possible. QANONAONAONOANAOON
cursemonkey
I think it's the reward being in on the unique "genius" that fits disparate evidence into a conspiracy.
ForeveraKritik
Have you seen Dan Olsen's "In search of a Flat Earth"? If not, highly recommend. It's on the YT channel Folding Ideas.
BopTheDrass
Illuminati shill spotted
WarlockWithNoPatron
Oh shit. My cover's blown!
PlaidBastard
Don't forget 'powerful and perverse human desire for everything to be connected, just like the one that made us invent storytelling.'
curiositykilledmyniggyJesus
Ain't conspiracy bot!!!!! Trying to defame the credibility of conspiracies, our government is evil and we need to know.
WarlockWithNoPatron
Governments are evil in mundane ways. Governments are evil because they are made up of selfish people, willing to lie and cheat their way...
WarlockWithNoPatron
...to power. They're not lizards. They're not aliens. They're just humans squabbling with each other to get every scrap of power they can.
belindashort
Don't forget antisemitism
ambiencenever
CT replaced a big percentage of effective class warfare. Thanks, red scare. So obvious who's fucking us, but that's not interesting enough.
gifOfSamRockwellDancing
Alan Moore said this best
CmfMttnPpl
Is it wierd to like conspiracy theories, like I don't believe in 99% of them but they're fun to read and think about
WarlockWithNoPatron
Highly recommend TimeSuck. It's a weird informational podcast where they talk about the weirdest conspiracies and cults people believe in.
CmfMttnPpl
I've never really been ibto podcasts but ill definitely check it out.
Youhavinagiraffe
And anti-semitism... don't forget about the anti-semitism
WarlockWithNoPatron
"A Jewish person has more money than me? Well that can't be right."
Keairan
My biggest rule for whether or not a conspiracy has merit. Does it have a specific group who it benefits? If yes, then investigating it (1)
Keairan
further is not worthless. If it's some nebulous shadow group, then it's probably a pointless waste of time.
Nikolai5
Conspiracy theories are beneficial to governments because there's so many of them they serve as chaff covering the wheat that is the real
Youhavinagiraffe
Like "The liars dividend". If everything thinks politicians just lie all the time it means the most egregious liars get an advantage 1
Youhavinagiraffe
Conspiracy theories act as a "Corrupt profiteers dividend". The most corrupt get a level playing field AND the benefits of their corruption
Nikolai5
crimes that the governments are committing. So conspiracy theorists that don't trust the government are unwittingly helping them.
Tapception
Also deep-rooted racism/xenophobia. You guys should check out “In Search of a Flat Earth” on youtube, a good doc on conspiracy theorists.
mjangelvortex
Quite a bit of conspiracy theorists I've seen were pretty bigoted (not just to race since I've seen some that were sexist and homophobic).
Tapception
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JTfhYyTuT44
thehumanoidsarecoming
people are downvoting this but its true, most of our conspiracies are rehashed from ideas that came from secret societies in the mid 1800s
thehumanoidsarecoming
the majority of which were pretty fucking racist
PerpetuityPhoto
Most of them are less "Chaotic Universe" and more "Blame everyone else for my problems".
PerpetuityPhoto
Which is made doubly troublesome by the fact that many of them get their roots from the same Russian bullshit.
PerpetuityPhoto
(Seriously, go look up the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", a con job that Russian cops put out to justify hunting jews)
PerpetuityPhoto
And yes, I didn't mix that up, I did say Russians. WAY before Addy-Hit would start hunting Jewish people, the Russians were doing it.
Kenkenny82
I think, conspiracy theories about control is also a need to feel important. If the powerful try to control you, that mean you have value.
NuclearGradeIrony
They also make you feel like you understand something others don't. Then you preach them to people and get pissed off if they don't believe.
Elven91
Correction: It means your failure are not really your fault and you can blame some evil-doer for your sad life
WarlockWithNoPatron
That is also a big factor. Having a myth to blame makes people feel better.
WarlockWithNoPatron
It makes people feel like the understand something about the world they live in, like a lot of ancient myths.
Sageypie
Well that, and also just the feeling that there's something out there that's actually in control of it all, and that it's not just all chaos
TacTheScribbler
"...like a lot of ancient myths" seems far more apt than one might think at first.
WarlockWithNoPatron
Conspiracy theories are modern myths in a era when the natural world is more understood, but the cooperate/political world are more complex.
BigYellowFish
That is a really good point. Everyone I’ve met who has some sort of conspiracy theory has been uncomfortable with the fact that things 1/3
BigYellowFish
Just “happen” sometimes. It’s as if they need to believe that their lives are controlled by external forces so there’s someone to blame. 2/3
BigYellowFish
If the universe is chaotic, then they’re largely in charge of their own destiny, and that terrifies them. 3/3
FunkyKick
things happen, but people make choices
WarlockWithNoPatron
The illuminati aren't responsible for you not getting that promotion. Maybe Debbie was just more qualified. Maybe your boss flipped a coin.
Tminus1622d
There is some overlap with some religious people.
TheAnswerWasAlwaysMoreLube
Consider how few conspiracy theories there is about the Reagan assassination attemp compared to the Kennedy assassination attempt.
TheAnswerWasAlwaysMoreLube
The acts themselves are very similar, but the consequences of the outcome is what makes people uncomfortable.
Tminus1622d
My favorite non-conspiracy event is the JFK assassination. The third shot was most likely one of the secret service people who accidently>>
Tminus1622d
fired a shot. That's embarassing as fck, so when the public 'omg, Russians! Grassy knoll! CIA!' they just went 'yes, you focus on that.'
Tminus1622d
Here's another similar event: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_I_of_Yugoslavia#Assassination French minister Barthou and visiting>>
Tminus1622d
Alexander were sitting in the same car. Assassin strikes, hits and kills Alexander and the driver. Barthou was shot and killed by the>>
Tminus1622d
French police, accidental. They kept that as quiet as possible. Just think about it. Guarding someone is usually boring as fck and it goes>>
Tminus1622d
from nothing to he's already dead in seconds. So there is confusion and chaos, combine that with poor trigger discipline, or just panic.>>
GroovyCrowley
Unpopular opinion?: while most theories (especially atm) aren't worth a second thought. You shouldn't condemn every theory. For 2 reasons:
casbott
Conspiracy theory: QAnon is a planned psy ops operation to create a bunch of useful idiots that will believe any orders.
JackieTreehornProductions
If 1 out of 100 crazy sounding conspiracy theories ends up true, it doesn’t give credibility to the next 100 to come along. Worse yet it /1
JackieTreehornProductions
Feeds the attention the people creating these theories crave. They are seeded in monetary and psychological motives, not truth most of all.
Chadward10011
What’s wrong with Ass To Mouth?
NikolaiJakovtheheadoftheKGB
Did I say bass to mouth? I meant ass to trout
Sleepy360
TeddyBearHeaven
It’s a conspiracy theory. Nobody else in the world is doing it except for you.
SpoonOfDoom
It's just not hygienic.
GroovyCrowley
PGTipsMonkeh
It better fuckin not be
yawkeyharwitz
Never go ass to mouth.
yawkeyharwitz
The5lacker
“The fact that conspiracies do indeed exist sometimes” is not a reason to take conspiracy theories seriously. Take evidence seriously.
GroovyCrowley
..... It's not about taken them seriously.... But your reaction proofs perfect what I mean. Thank you.
Bigboipoi
Why not actually read the second part of his comment
Rediix
I feel a problem is that so many thing we once thought were conspiracy have now become true regarding the corruption in our society 1/2
Rediix
Sometimes its hard to question what new lows we could reveal
The5lacker
“Maybe the world is worse than we think” isn’t a conspiracy theory. “The world IS worst than YOU think it is, and I have the TRUTH!” is.
Blutsaugher
I don't think you're seeing the point. Follow the evidence into the conclusion, not the other way. That's why conspiracy theories are bs.
Rediix
Im not claiming to believe in them myself. It's just easy to see how people can be misled when everyday there is news on vip paedo rings 1/2
TheAssassinArtemisEntreri
Noooooo! You're the problem. You spreading these to your crazy aunts isn't going to fix them. Real evidence and investigations will.
GroovyCrowley
Lol you are a fucking moron. You haven't understood a word from what I said.
WarlockWithNoPatron
Crowley's point seems to be there there have been actual conspiracies that have come to light. Watergate and the Bay of Pigs come to mind...
WarlockWithNoPatron
... And he fears that talking about how conspiracies theories are bad could discourage legitimate investigations into such conspiracies...
WarlockWithNoPatron
...That is very possible, but bit I feel that it does not detract from the need to call out insane conspiracies for what they are, and...
WarlockWithNoPatron
...and use them as a way to better understand critical thinking and how to determine the legitimate, from the illegitimate.
MandrewJackson
I think op is referring to things like 5g causing COVID, Bill Gates planting chips in our brains through vaccines, Q'unts thinking Trump 1/
NuclearGradeIrony
"Qunt", imma steal that.
MandrewJackson
is fighting the deep state pedos and liberals are starting the wildfires, people thinking masks hurt you and COVID isn't really killing 2/
MandrewJackson
killing people, scientists have a cure for cancer but won't share it, the earth is flat, etc. Which of these should I not dismiss? 3/3
WarlockWithNoPatron
Pretty much yeah.
JHawke
Oh wow, the longest one I've seen yet with absolutely 0 possibility of error. *claps slowly*
GroovyCrowley
1st: there were theories that became reality after for example documents made it to public. 2nd: it can be used as a distraction, calling
GroovyCrowley
Something a conspiration theory, will convince most ppl that it is bullshit. Especially after the recent years where every second stupid
GroovyCrowley
Idea became a conspiration theory.
Catbug430
The closest thing to a conspiracy that i give possible credence to is Shield Bankers, because that SEEMS somewhat plausible
PiggyWobbles
sensible rational humans would rely on things like "evidence" to determine what is and is not a silly conspiracy theory
Danieltheengineer
That's a fair point. Back in April, fox called it a conspiracy theory when Biden said Trump would try to delay the election. Then he did.
justarandomfandom
Like the conspiracy that the gov pumped drugs into certain communities to quell rebellion. Then it was confirmed
laiskamato
Sauce?
WarlockWithNoPatron
Only condemning grand conspiracies here, for example: New World Order, The Illuminati, Satanic Cults ruling Hollywood. Anything that...
HaveYouEverEverFletLikeThis
Planet X coming to distory us
Red2335
Yeah instead of Satanists running Hollywood it was pedophiles and rapists
BaklavaMatatas
I love people who talk about the big bad shadow government ruling the world. Dude they're right here, in plain sight, nothing secret
WarlockWithNoPatron
...requires multiple large groups to cooperate secretly for long periods of time is all but doomed to fail. The level of commitment...