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My favorite fallout 2 moment, sneaking into camp navarro and pretending to be a enclave soldier, and getting a free mark II powered combat armor while being yelled at.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkKkHmFOfKE
Never2L4te
Fallout 2... Such an atmosphere, such a fucking trip. I can't recall how many times I did restart it. It's still installed on my HD BTW :))
Volimar
I like both companies. Cept for 76.
Lennsik
As a lover of both, it sucks to see people bash one or the either. Pre-2014 Bethesda is a great time for gaming and Obsidian brought so(1/2)
Lennsik
much that was ahead of its time. It's not that it's annoying or making me mad, it's just like "But why not all?"
mechscientist
Fallout 3 and 4 have their faults, but I enjoyed parts of them, especially 3. New Vegas is definitely the best one though.
Trumpolicious
I lived in DC when I played fallout 3. Can’t tell you how much more epic that made that game
MacClay
I will never stop missing the ability to open locked doors via rocket launcher.
Riku0990
#ObsidianFallout #MyFallout
CatsUpvoteTerror
Fallout 2 had ninjas fighting gangsters. It wasn't a very serious story
GeneralNuclear
I never said it was serious i just meant that the villain actually had a reason.
Bignholy
I'm all for fanning it up, but let's be honest, *every* fallout endgame villain has been bond-villain stupid.
HankHell2400
It's a real shame Outer Worlds sucked so bad.
Mothballed
At least Bethesda's map has interesting locations to explore. The Mojave was boring as shit.
GeneralNuclear
Until you got the car in 2.
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Rezol
Oi no double dipping!
Jeff542165
This last one is the best fit overall
swatz
I was playing a game and I killed this guy cause he was a twat and it says "quest line removed" and I was like.. oh! The game has a lot of<
swatz
>intertwining quest lines. They change or become added/removed depending on who you help or don't. Who you save/kill.
DamnThatMashLooksTasty96
Fallout 3 and 4 aren't bad, I don't get this whole bad rap. Yes, when provided with the assets and engine, Obsidian makes a good game. 1/2
DamnThatMashLooksTasty96
But when they do it on their own, they make mediocre mush like The Outer Worlds.
mroranges
Did Black Isle become Obsidian..? Also, why no love for Interplay?
GeneralNuclear
Yup also interplay was just the publisher.
mroranges
Cool. And sure but in those days I think the dev-publisher relationship was much healthier
GeneralNuclear
Actually half of them quit after fallout 1 but they worked on fallout 2 at the same time as fallout 1.
wraith3
IDK I've lost a lot of faith in Obsidian after playing The Outer Worlds. First game in a while where the ending feels like the middle.
SharkShanker
Even though outer worlds fell a little bit short it’s still a massive step in the right direction for this sort of thing. Hope it get sequel
GeneralNuclear
It's gonna get some dlcs i think and i hope one of them is a gun runner's arsenal.
Exileddude
Anyone remember fallout 2? Or 1, cant member...brute force walking thru security laser doors, fuck it I saved Stims for this.
zintention
Oh my goodness!!! Is there someone who loves fallout and fallout 2 as much as I do!!!!????? Upvote for a perfect dump
CelticScribe
My favorite aspect of Fallout New Vegas is that you can just straight up kill the Big Bad halfway through the campaign.
GeneralNuclear
Could that in all the real fallout games which isn't really the point but hey why not?
CelticScribe
Villains like Eden, the Master, and the F4 faction leaders still required a certain level of progression before you can defeat them.
CelticScribe
Mr. House can be killed anytime, and Caesar can be eliminated pretty easily if you store your weapons before completing the bunker mission.
GingerLaird
I hope that Obsidian makes a game where you have three options to opening a door. Lockpick, Key, or Breach.
RARusk
What about knocking?
GingerLaird
That'd be Diplomacy.
herrdoktorhugo
Wasteland 2 has that, sorta! You can kick, pick, and try other stuff too.
Ghostlogicz
Always a good option especially for loot chests , might break the item but never locked out due to class choice
GeneralNuclear
Ah the rpg Rule set of three which obsidian showed us in plainscape "there must always be three options"
GingerLaird
Violence, Silence, and/or Diplomacy.
GeneralNuclear
I mean black isle before it turned into obsidian.
BoozeHound001
the institute on FO4 could have been amazing but it felt like they left it to the last minute so we got "Lol we kill anyone we don't like"
INeverWaitForIt
FO4's story felt like it was made by a committee that was pussyfooting around, too scared to make a decision, so they made everything
INeverWaitForIt
pointless or pointlessly vague so there would be no real impact.
SteelDragonKiryu
That's like 90% of all Bethesda games these days. So many good ideas that are either gutted at the last minute or aren't expanded on. I...
SteelDragonKiryu
hated that all the factions in FO4 were objectively shit aside from the Minutemen, despite them trying to claim they were all morally grey.
KamSolastor
Also, as you noted, the Institute has no actual reasoning for why it’s doing anything - and they’re the basis for EVERYTHING in Fo4
GeminiSprk
Best thing about Fallout 1 & 2 is the death/critical hit messages.
7hatsBollocks
Or combat insults like, "You fight like old people fuck!".
Arracor
Too much?
7hatsBollocks
Right? Given the state of STDs in old folks homes now a days, that might be more of a complement.
mroranges
"Ian was critically hit in the groin for 156 hit points, leaving him quivering on the ground and out of the fight."
CaptinCuddles
Hey if you guys like Obsidian you should try Tyranny or Pillars of Eternity 1 & 2, loved all three of them personally, Tyranny being my fav
GeneralNuclear
I have been playing the game they made before fallout, plainescape Torment and man oh man is it a great game!
INeverWaitForIt
I fucking loved Tyranny. I'm so sad we'll almost certainly never get a sequel.
CaptinCuddles
You never know, pillars of Eternity got a sequel. But yeah I think I'm on my 3rd ng+ on tyranny, first game with a ng+ that I wanted to use
INeverWaitForIt
Unfortunately, I think Tyranny is owned by Paradox, and with Obsidian now being owned by Microsoft... Plus Tyranny didn't do the best sales.
CaptinCuddles
True, but I dare to hope
flavivsaetivs
Caesar's Legion was nothing like the Roman empire.
Bignholy
Yes. Ceaser in the game basically owns that fact, if I recall. Knows what the Romans were like, but twisted it to his own needs
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Camelspotting
That was also kind of the point/joke.
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Radix865
Most powerful technique is a pulse/gauss rifle and Sulik with a supersledge. He keeps 'em away and you kill 'em.
GeneralNuclear
I miss sulik "Grampy Bone say they all standing on the Great Water… Doesn't make sense to we and I, either."
LeSethX
Fallout 2 is best Fallout. Although I have had fun with other Fallouts.
JStengah
Fallout 76 has the best story of any Fallout game. All of Appalachia has been wiped out by a new kind of mutated enemy. You have to piece
JStengah
together how multiple factions fell to it and then combine what each faction had learned to successfully defeat them.
JStengah
For as buggy as the game could be, the world they built was amazing. I'm somewhat worried adding human NPCs will take that away.
GeneralNuclear
They just added a reskin of the skyrim dragon, which made no sense.
GeneralNuclear
And then there is that "you have to nuke the wasteland to create stronger mutants" *facepalm*
Bignholy
to be fair, can you think of an in-world mechanic to uplevel and area in the fallout universe that isn't just as bad?
JStengah
Scorchbeasts aren't just a reskin of Skyrim's dragons, and you didn't have to nuke the wasteland to make stronger mutants
JStengah
You had to nuke the wasteland to draw out the queen scorchbeast. You could also nuke other areas to make enemies spawn at max level and to
JStengah
get rare materials needed for endgame crafting,
Problemwoodchuck
I enjoyed Bethesda games despite their faults. The genre shift from old school RPG to action/exploration/adventure wasn't handled too well
mroranges
The sense of wonder and excitement I got from Daggerfall as a kid is unmatched
Wingedgrim
That Bethesda before they were aids so feel free to savor those feelings
Problemwoodchuck
But FO76 sounds like it's still a hot mess & games as a service seems like an unstoppable train. ES 6 & Starfield could go any direction
Bignholy
It's not bad. Hasn't been for 6 months. It *is* an online multiplayer game, and the PVP is a shit sammich, so ymmv, but it's honestly okay.
KamSolastor
When there’s glitches where bad players can remotely fuck with your inventory in its entirety.. yeah, no
Camelspotting
FO3? Because for all it's faults I still think it was a fantastic game for the time.
Problemwoodchuck
Yeah, the adventure was great but it was really thin for story compared to the old school games. Like finally catching up with Dad to--
Problemwoodchuck
-basically say "great, let's go to the water purifier" and then jog across DC in awkward silence
GeneralNuclear
It had a lot of good things to it but the combat and story dragged it down.
RackhamTheRed
The combat as in compared to what?
GeneralNuclear
Well for ones you couldn't freaking aim.
WarlockSniper
You mean other than having a crosshair that was accurate enough? No iron sights wasn't bad...
RackhamTheRed
This was actually something I really disliked about NV (vats being shit). If I want to play an FPS I'll play an FPS and not a RPG. The even
Camelspotting
For me it added to the charm and fit with the setting but it's definitely not for everyone. No jury rigging was a nightmare though.
QuayanBao
#3 the coding to kill children is in every game, it's just disabled so it can be marleted everywhere.
QuayanBao
marketed*
SeismicCoin
this is true. the same for skyrim as well. all you have to do is tick the "killable" checkbox on the child race template. all the gibbing >>
SeismicCoin
and gore there for the child body meshes as well. theres also a cut quest in skyrim where you assassinate a child for the dark brotherhood
SeismicCoin
with all the dialogue and everything recorded and lipsynced in the game files, iirc.
Dunhaaam
And that's why Obsidian will always be better than Bethesda
Noksus
We'll see
Trumpolicious
Nah, I love em both
HieronymousFlex
Well, "always" is a strong word. Obsidian is owned by Microsoft now, so things could easily go downhill fast.
Lexgeddon
Well, let's hope they manage to squeeze out a more expansive sequel to Outer Worlds before that happens. The world-building was top-notch.
eichelburglar
You thought so? I wasn't as big of a fan of the universe as much as I had hoped. The retrofuturism just felt random, unlike Fallout >>
eichelburglar
>> But I did like the western touches they had. Very Firefly-ish.
Lexgeddon
The interior of that ship gave me such a happy feeling. Besides that, though, I found myself actually reading everything I came across >>
ilovedogknots
I am 70% sure that new Vegas has some requires key doors
Grimravage
New vegas had the door that required the poker chip benny stole from you
LawmanLata
[Success] Yeah, youre probably right, I dont care to check.
KushanBlackrazor
True, but its still funny.
GeneralNuclear
You can get in a lot of places your not suppose to be as well before you start the quests, like the brotherhood of steel bunker.
daromander
In fallout 3 you can skip half the main quest by just exploring
Dagordae
Tons. All the Fallouts have impassable doors and obstacles.
GeneralNuclear
Point is that usually all quest doors are locked in bethesda but obsidian lets you get to some that your not suppose to get to before 1/2
GeneralNuclear
Start the quest line, which gives you a alternative intro to the quest line, like the brotherhood of steel quest line in NV. 2/2
Dagordae
You’ve never quest jumped in 3-4? Too bad, it’s usually pretty funny. And yes, there’s unique lines for doing so.
Dagordae
Also, I’ve got to point this out, ‘Usually all the quest doors are locked’ and ‘Obsidian lets you get through some’ means the same thing:
GeneralNuclear
May of them are controlled by computers instead and some of them was locked away because they never got the time to finish them.
GeneralNuclear
Like benny's door to Vault 21 at his casino for his ending that was cut due to their work scheduled on the dlcs.
GeneralNuclear
Also the great khans are missing their ending.
GeneralNuclear
New vegas itself was actually suppose to be waaaaaaaaaay bigger and they had actually taken a lot of inspiration from oblivion.
YourUpstairsNeighbor
Is the Outer Worlds worth buying? I have been considering it for a while.
Bignholy
From what I have heard, it was not F:NV2, so it didn't get to ride the wave of fan orgasms and it turned out to be a modestly good game.
Dagordae
Judging by the comments: It’s mediocre at best. Good ideas let down by mediocre execution. So, an Obsidian game.
Arcanum3000
It's not bad, but it cribs from a lot of other sources and fails to excel at anything. I mostly came away wishing for Starfield.
Arcanum3000
Put another way, it's maybe worth playing if you're really craving a sci-fi RPG, but it's probably not worth the effort otherwise.
Chiefsitswhenpeez
Just try it on xbox game pass if you have a pc or well ... A xbox . its lacking in replayability and character building i think but funstill
Emperorervinmar
It's cute, and at times touching and genuinely tragic, but the main friendly NPC is Doc Brown but annoying and the combat is bad.
stja
Short but good.
OriginalSyn
It scratched my itch. Just don't get your hopes too high. Remember that the studio is new and isn't funded like a AAA title.
JaromirAzarov
It's ok but I was rather disappointed because I expected more. The story didn't really grip me and it was way too short...
GeneralNuclear
It's gonna get a dlc or two hopefully fixing this.
drainbamage1011
It's...ok. I got it on XBox Game Pass so I didn't drop full price and it was worth a playthrough, but a lot of times I found myself...
drainbamage1011
...wishing they put a little more into one feature or another.
ricerescue
The main "villain" there is stupid AND powerless. The only question it left me with is why this world needed the main hero.
stja
The villain is general idiocy literally killing the colony. Never attribute to malice what can be explained by stupidity.
ricerescue
Well, it's not *general* stupidity, because everyone there is clever, but the corporations, which are also powerless, but somehow they 1/2
ricerescue
keep the control, until mh arrives to resolve everyone's problems. 2/2
Sylmor
It feels like an engaging but demo version of a fallout game. A lot less depth and scope but well written. Don't expect New Vegas though.
Sylmor
I went for a second playthrough because my playthroughs of FO:NV all felt like different games but on TOW I was dissapointed when I found
Sylmor
that the second playthrough was exactly the same as the first even though I tried to pick opposite paths.
drainbamage1011
That's what I worried about. I started a 2nd game with the intention of doing opposite choices, then I started RDR2 and forgot about it.
mikeatike
Its everything that fallout games today should be. It is kind of short though. But as an adult with a job, that's great. No fucking grinding
MDtheGM
Also no replayability.
mikeatike
Hmm, I haven't played it since I beat it, but I suppose you are right, I did everything there was to do, nothing else left.
mikeatike
Plot was kind of linear, too. But it beats the hell out of a bug ridden shitfest.
MDtheGM
not when that 'shitfest' as you call it not only has a wide open world and hundreds of characters, but also robust modding support.
Sylmor
Which isn't good for an actual RPG.
SIGMA920
An RPG should be replayable.
Sylmor
Indeed. I approached this as an actual RPG and tried to take on a character. I wanted to shift to something different the 2nd time but the