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Why we <3 Ghibli
Feb 4, 2017 1:46 PM
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HowCurious
CallMeThreeGunsGreg
The full quote is "Anime is a mistake... Except for Jojo. Jojo's alright.
tehwilsonator
Pototoro? Potatoro?
TotallyNotDitto
Potatoro for sure
MarshmallowFluffernutterPie
Holy shit Miyazaki is a Judgy McJudgerson
GuessWho7197
When I read the title:
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mightymoxie
What is otaku?
Pulseless
Japanese slang for people who have fairly obsessive interests in something, commonly refers to anime or video games.
Icanfaptoeverything
Wait, so you said that there is people who taking a meme Miyazaki meme seriously?
Kompi
I thought it was the case. It was propegated as truth in several places. Goes to show ypu got tp becareful of "news" from all places
MistressValentine
Oh yeah. Most people don't look into things like that. They see a "quote" that seems plausible and never research it themselves.
tachikaze316
"You should never blindly trust things you read on the internet." - Abraham Lincoln
odraencoded
The Miyazaki meme was a mistake.
scarletswordfish
Memes were a mistake.
EchoOfSnac
Probably. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
mirrorz
zoeaW1ndXI
He may not have said it but it is still true.
Unquote
Anime is just a medium. How can you hate a medium? It's like saying all music is garbage.
zoeaW1ndXI
Oh calm down, it's a joke.
Unquote
Hysterical dude....
acemann
Waait a second, "It's normal to be senile at Miyazaki's current age." Senile? Don't you mean cynical? Senile means having dementia...
TwistedAttitudes
If it's not a typo, I think its meant to comment on the fact that Miyazaki still has a good head on his shoulders considering his age
Treblaine
I'm somewhat willing to grant OP benefit of the doubt he meant cynical, everything else they said was so reasonable.
MistressValentine
I'm gonna assume it was a poor attempt at poking fun at Miyazaki's age. He's not senile by any means.
confanity
I hope they didn't mean "senile," it undercuts all the good stuff he said. Or maybe they're a gun nut and their widdle feelings were hurt?
Treblaine
Japan has near total gun ban, he's not referring to gun owners but those who literally fetishise guns despite never even touching one IRL.
confanity
I'm aware. But there are "gun otaku" at that level of crazy in the US too, for sure.
Treblaine
Proportionally less, when you have to actually handle them and follow safety rules, it kinda de-mystifies them, they're just mechanical.
Treblaine
I value his criticism of anime which seems to focus on the guns and gunplay more than the person, the character, what really counts.
Kierbear2g
He definitely did say anime was a mistake, and he was right.
Treblaine
"Image hosting was a mistake" -Sarah
KNDBS
"Apple was a mistake" -Steve Jobs
jobe
Expecting a @sarah reaction gif just about now
jobe
Expecting a @sarah reaction gif just about now
OaksParcel
She knows
JewishMonk
It wasn't a mistake. Imgur was a brilliant and simple tool. Allowing voting and commenting WAS a mistake.
Lilshadow48
Voting would be fine without comments or points. Invisible vote numbers would be ideal.
JewishMonk
Though it wasn't a mistake for Imgur what with all the traffic and ad revenue.
StRocketScience
I read this in a comment
JewishMonk
Yes. The irony is not lost on me.
mitharas
... He/she said after upvoting the post and commenting.
JewishMonk
Believe me, I recognize the irony in my behavior.
ForrestIndustries
Anime was a mistake.
DukeDark
"Anime was a mistake." You can quote me on that instead of Miyazaki
HermanManly
Miyazaki is NOT a great role model. That being said, his movies are amazing
Nabashin
Back in 2012 I went to the ghibli museum in Tokyo, so amazing and had his office preserved to see, not even behind glass, because 1/2
Nabashin
Japan apparently can have nice things. 2/2
yourmomisminenow
http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/916/071/aa6.jpg still hilarious
AbernathyCornwallaceVonCuffsmeister
I think he acts like a petulant child whose upset that animation is moving on without him. Love his work. Dislike him.
TwistedAttitudes
I mean its not like he's not allowed. It's the same as when you have people saying "There's no good music after ____"
OhGodWhatShouldIType
I feel like he's turning into a grumpy old man, lol.
mexxed
He's always been like this. He actually used to be worse before he had grandkids, which inspired his more kid-friendly films (totoro, ponyo)
everettscott
That video of him watching the CG AI thing is basically "old man yells at cloud"
leftcoastergoneeast
Good post
MistressValentine
Cool username :)
leftcoastergoneeast
Thank you!
MistressValentine
;D
leftcoastergoneeast
Hahaha right??? Life is all about timing!
MistressValentine
I missed my chance....Mulligan: You are freaking welcome!! :D
CometLaHal
he didnt have to say it directly. He even said it indirectly. Anime is steadily moving firther and further away from reality. Good or bad 1/
CometLaHal
i just want the ecchi shit to die down. Waste of development resources so. the viewers can get a hard on while swallowing the shit story. 2/
CometLaHal
but its likely going to get even worse. maybe eventually it'll get so preposterous that people will finally backlash.
ChloePrice
He's most certainly not a man of the 20th century. An artist of it, perhaps, but a man of all times and none.
Kompi
True, and thats the hallmark of a real artist
Kierbear2g
I'm 14 and this is deep
Kierbear2g
I'm 14 and this is deep
GigavoltFox
As accomplished and talented as he is on a technical level, he doesn't seem to like art very much
eichelburglar
Well he grew up during WWII. And the animation, well, film business isn't what it used to be. "Used to be able to make movies that mattered>
eichelburglar
>but now it's just a glorified hobby," is something he wrestles with. THe part about happiness in context is actually regarding peace. >>
eichelburglar
>> Really somber thought from someone who witnessed WWII: Is "The Long Peace" of post-war democracy only about making yourself happy?
GigavoltFox
I figured someone who lived through post-war Japan would be more open to other perspectives and having beliefs challenged, but I suppose >
GigavoltFox
That's what he meant by not being ready to face the 21st century
RokosBasilisk
kekkres
its a bug, it looks great on a computer
RokosBasilisk
I figured as much.
AppleFoster
You're using an iphone right? Common complaint from that neck of the woods for long posts.
RokosBasilisk
Yes. Though if my phone continues to shut off while my battery is at 50%, I might be looking at other options.
AppleFoster
Well if you wanna stop seeing long posts on imgur as a wad of pixels you might need to make sure it's not an iphone. :3
LordNoodles
So what's this about gun otaku?
TwistedAttitudes
Basically people who are big ol' gun fanatics or gun nerds or what have you.
LordNoodles
I know that, I'm kind of one of those, it's more of a question of why he doesn't like them, I wanna know more
LordNoodles
I know that, I'm kind of one of those, it's more of a question of why he doesn't like them, I wanna know more
TwistedAttitudes
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Why do some people not like sports? Personal Preference? idk
rshini
He's no fan of war, nationalists or "We did nothing wrong in WW2" conservatives, and many Japanese Gun otakus fall under those categories.
exe122
As much as I love Miyazaki, I disagree with this "there can only be one pure form of art" mentality. Everything has its place.
complimentpin
I agree, as talented as he is he's also now an old man stuck in his ways in a country stuck even more in it ways in many ways
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exe122
But his comments that other art forms are an "insult to life", have "immature character traits", and are "scared of silence" seem petty.
Goglinko
I think it is more that he knows that he doesn't have to be current to be relevant.
Heavymettle
I don't know the context but what if that quote was saying that a true expression is the only pure form? That influences taint artistic exp?
Heavymettle
Rather than the categories of art, he is addressing the source of it? Once again, I don't know the context so I am spitballing.
orthoclase
I mean, he admits that art changes and grows, sounds to me like his main problem is with AI-generated art.
grovberg
He...didn't say that (at least not here). In fact he says almost the exact opposite in #3. What are talking about?
transientarchitect
Given a certain set of values, one art form may be better than most others. Like sending a message, there's one sentence that does it best.
transientarchitect
That doesn't mean it's the only possible message. If you change what you intend to communicate, you need to design a new sentence.
transientarchitect
Also, great artists need strong convictions. Whether or not they are correct is irrelevant, because it enables them to act with confidence.
mechanicalchaos
I feel like, at least in these memes, he has expressed a lot of opposite of that mentality. So everyone is curious as to what you refer to.
Babushi
That is old, he's learned how it works in the last couple years and it's using it for hours next film
TheMinisterOfCommonSense
Except fresco*
charismaticneutral
That's true but he also understand that too "I'm a man of the 20th entry and I don't want to deal with the 21st"
UsernamesAreStupidAnyways
1/? Ok, so...I assume you're talking about the animation by AI bit? He said he "would never want to incorporate this technology".
UsernamesAreStupidAnyways
2/? Implying he's talking about the technology being demoed. As in, the AI doing the animation without human input - not CG. If he meant the
UsernamesAreStupidAnyways
3/? CG he would be contradicting himself in regards to the quote about how civilisation moves on. Which implies that art changes as well.
UsernamesAreStupidAnyways
4/4 And that there is nothing wrong with that and nothing we can do about it.
valkuma
Surprise, he's full of himself
aboxacaraflatafan
Being fairly uneducated on him, I have to ask if this guy's being downvoted b/c people honestly think he's not or because of hero worship?
valkuma
Hero worship most likely. Miyazaki enters a building and everyone's so quick to drop their pants..
bushpotato
Art is an immense field of study; and all that makes it pure is one's love for expression, not the art style itself.
ihadtochangemyusernamebecauseIdrawpornasaliving
Right? Am I the only one who thinks he's kind of pretentious to say a lot of these things? A lovely man of course, but pretentious as fuck.
deliciousMulansauce
Anyone can disagree, but for it to be pretentious it has to be unqualified. But he has a body of work to speak from, he has great talent.
aboxacaraflatafan
Butting in. Great talent, I agree. Not the qualifications to outright reject AI as an art form with a potentially valuable, moving message.
ihadtochangemyusernamebecauseIdrawpornasaliving
He has great talent in certain fields, and I respect his opinions in those, but he is making very bold statements about things that he -
ihadtochangemyusernamebecauseIdrawpornasaliving
simply doesn't like, and passes it off as an important social issue, as if what he does is the only thing that should matter.
AwesomeName
Agreed, but I can respect an artist making that statement. You need to know what you're doing and why you're doing it.
exe122
I understand that, but he doesn't need to insult other art forms to defend his.
ihadtochangemyusernamebecauseIdrawpornasaliving
I'm wondering if maybe it's a poor translation? I hope it is. Honestly, he sounds like a dick.
Attacker732
It wouldn't be too surprising for it to be a slight mistranslation. English sometimes lacks the specific phrasing.
MemeDissector
I don't think it was intended as an insult
CheesusChrisp
Honestly, his art doesn't need a defense. It's beautiful. 3D has its place. Studios like Pixar do it well. Hand drawn anime is incredible
DarthT15
Well, I think that's subjective, anyone can piss on a canvas..
MistressValentine
Agreed. I favor 2d, hand drawn animation, but there are so many different styles of art that I can still appreciate :)
VoltageXL1
At one point 2d animation didn't even exist. If people didn't move onto it his films would never had existed.
MsGrowl
I'm confused, didn't his #3 statement say the opposite of what you're implying he said?
smilethingsareworsethantheyseem
Such as this https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzNZlJzmjomyl00ewlxHqOA/videos
PrismZet
Unsure what part your referring too? If it's the anime isn't based on real life thing, he's right for character traits and animation ref 1/2
PrismZet
It's always better if you study those things in real people. Otherwise it's hollow, and bland. Or your just making your own fetishes show up
DarkwingDuc
It's a personal mentality, and it's driven him to create amazing work. But he clearly acknowledges civilization moves on and mediums change.
Kompi
I dont feel he said that though, merely that he belongs to the 2d art. In fact it seems like he very well understands and welcome change
exe122
He called it an "insult to life". That's pretty harsh. He can appreciate his own art form, but he doesn't need to chastise others.
viila
That was different. It was an AI system that creates without any human input. And based on the current results, I would agree with him...
jenw
His documentary is on Netflix and it's amazing
stellaratmospheres
not in brazil : < , yey
jenw
Use the Hola plug in via your chrome browser and set it to a USA proxy. Then you can watch.
r2linad2
I know what I'm watching tonight!
butterbuncheesefries
Thanks !!
jenw
you're welcome
Housemaster
I watched it, he kinda has a "back in the good ol' days" memberberries filter on everything and no faith in the future.
jenw
I believe he's bi-polar after seeing the movie. He may not have a lot of faith in the future but he believes in the children of the future.
decentideaspoorexcecution
http://screencrush.com/442/files/2014/11/Xc-gQd5T51P3m5JaU1arlpipE.gif?w=630&cdnnode=1 Me tryna get to Netflix after your comment
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MistressValentine
How have I not seen this yet?? D: Watching it tonight!!!
GoldfishAreAddicting
Well I know what I'm doing this weekend!
maxalaxa
Halfway through it. Not really seeing the intrigue. Kinda boring actually
jenw
To each their own
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GrabtharsHammer
What is it called?
northwestroots
You can tell folks respect the post due to the lack of shit answers to this question. Thanks for that legit answer.
huntrramo
Kingdom of Dreams and Madness
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Thanks fam
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kendrakhaos
Doot because that sounds like a must-watch! :) thank you!
Operaror
Watch me get...dotty.
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OneIsGladToBeOfService
Imma go watch it right now :D
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D.o.t.
EllyCattt
Thank you!
MelodiousDissonance
Thank you!
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AppleFoster
Are you on an iphone? Cuz this looks fine to anyone not on an iphone.
delpharseven
Known problem with tall images on the iOS client. It is not going to get fixed until iOS users file bug reports to Imgur.
PianoMan2112
And since submitting bug reports isn't in the iOS client...I'll log in on my notebook & report it. Mostly because I'm sick of seeing (1/2)
PianoMan2112
"Have you got any more of them pixels?" and ULTRA HD 4K replies after every long post. PS: THANK YOU! SOMEONE ELSE FINALLY FIGURED IT OUT!!!
MistressValentine
Lol does it look bad? I'm on mobile and it looks okay >_> sorry!!
minigreyhound
Yeah it's pretty bad. I can't read it on my phone. I favorited it to see on my computer later!
digitalutopia
I suggest, in the future, to split that one giant image up into multiple images, and put it in an album.
SSlack
On mobile here too. You're fine. Don't worry, that was a great post.
MistressValentine
XD thank you!
newfirem
I'm on mobile too and I can't even read.
delpharseven
Known problem with tall images on the iOS client. Have heard a few reports of it on Android.
MistressValentine
Ohhh I see. Well, apologies to anyone who is having issues with seeing my post clearly ^_^;;
jmartkdr
That explains a lot, thanks
delpharseven
Send a bug report to Imgur. The more people who do, the faster it (might) get fixed.
Toastshavefeelingstoo
Watched princess monoke when i was 5 so i guess i'm one of the children that needed to watch the movie
GravitationalTimeDialation
Watched when i was 18, I turned 18 last year, still feel like a child, i needed to watch this too i guess
Toastshavefeelingstoo
If you haven't watched all ghibli movies yet you need to get to work, worth every minute
GravitationalTimeDialation
I have only watched princess mononoke and i barely remember watching spirited away, but if i definitely will try to watch all of them
Toastshavefeelingstoo
would recommend howl's moving castle next
TotallyNotDitto
just watched that last night
Burnyoureyes
Do you know a site where I can watch it?
apistograma
Kissanime is the holy sacred place where all the anime in existence goes to be watched
LukkaPucca
I really enjoyed princess monkey but I do agree it's very graphic and violet compared to his other movies
LukkaPucca
Violent *
LordNoodles
*mononoke
LukkaPucca
Lol Srry. It was the stupid autocorrect
LordNoodles
Princess Monkey was a little bit less interesting
BaRockmanObama
"Princess monkey"lol
LukkaPucca
Hahaha oh well I'm just gonna keep it that way
GravitationalTimeDialation
It's also really purple
JewishMonk
I'm generally a fan of Miyamoto's work, but I can't stand Mononoke. I honestly think it's his worst film. It's very pretty though.
Toastshavefeelingstoo
I'd place monoke after spirited away. The movie has the classic myazaki movie goodness and gives you a sense of connection with nature
koalatyassurance
Sorry, but Miyazaki*. Miyamoto is Nintendo. I'm sure it was just a simple mistype though
JewishMonk
Woah, what the fuck? Did I type that?
theseshoessucktheseshoesrule
I honestly didn't get it and when the animal had worms or was stabbed I got sad. Not Land Before Time sad though. I liked Kiki.
JewishMonk
Kiki was great. Spirited Away was amazing. Totoro is a piece of my childhood. Mononoke was a beautiful movie filled with hateful characters.
theseshoessucktheseshoesrule
What was so great about Mononoke though? I was realy looking forward to it but it was not a feel good story and that disappointed me.
JewishMonk
I mean, it doesn't HAVE to be a feel-good story. Grave of the Fireflies makes me want to slit my wrists afterwards , but I still enjoy it.
theseshoessucktheseshoesrule
I mean what did Miyamoto want the children to see this movie for? What was the message?
JewishMonk
The only character I could form any emotional connection with was Lady Eboshi. You know, the villain. She was the only one who felt human.
DeadliestBigfoot
I always loved Miyazaki's female leads because they never felt forced. It wasn't about them being females, it was about them being heros
eavens
I loved that the females are just natural. Nothing super girly or tomboyish. What I love is that they're completely human and relatable.
governmentgavemeagun
Yeah, just seemed like people. Relatable, motivated, understandable people. That's why I enjoy his female-lead movies, not new-Ghostbusters
SatanLordOfUpvotes
EXACTLY! I get really annoyed with female leads/villians etc these days because its always about the gender, not the character (1/2)
SatanLordOfUpvotes
defeats the entire purpose imo :(
Kaysmira
If you've seen Stargate SG-1, Amanda Tapping asked the writers to write her character as a man, and just let her act it as a woman.
SatanLordOfUpvotes
woah thats interesting
ZebraCockSandwich
I appreciated that they were not traditional heros, just heros of their own story. kiki conquered kikis story, not the worlds.
link117318
He basically says that he hates how overly sexualised anime has become. Its actually disgusting sometimes. And as a fan uneccesary at times
MistressValentine
Exactly!
goforthandconquer
#4 amen.
EllyCattt
And his characters aren't just one quirk hi lighted and over played. They're complex like real women are. They aren't all good or all bad.
lordbucket
I rank Nausicaa as one of the most compelling and memorable leads in the history of fiction regardless of gender.
TamponShotgun
Also, Chihiro was a spoiled brat at the start of Spirited Away and grew up a lot by the end. That's a story arc and it's rare in anime now.
Janthran
It's not that rare in anime now, you're just watching the wrong shows.
governmentgavemeagun
Character development? It's rare in any movie now, beyond the star learning one simple moral.
Insomnia297
Unlike anime where women are the only ones who can do a particular thing for some reason.
Insomnia297
Does that not bother you people? "Oh women are the only ones who can pilot mechs for some reason", "Only women can be assassins lol" etc.
KNDBS
A common problem nowadays is that many characters main attraction is just their sex or color of their skin, i don't dare how they look like
KNDBS
Care*
KNDBS
I care about the character's backstory, their personality, their quirks, their fears and its development, I don't want any other gary stu or
KNDBS
Or mary sue, I want characters that feel real and are well written, no matter the sex, skin color or anything.
FreyaNicci
Nausicaa is different in that her femininity served a specific purpose.
DeadliestBigfoot
One of the few I haven't seen. Worth a watch?
PrincessDonaldTrumpBANNED
Has he made a movie not worth watching?
pilomotor
He really dropped the ball on "Warriors of the Wind". :P
MyDragonHeartedSpirit
It's the movie that started it all for me, and it influenced me so much at a young age.
jepplax
absolutely its a real gem
TallSprite
It's my favorite. It's a fun sci-fi/fantasy movie that feels like a book. I don't know if that makes sense. Hope you enjoy!
THEClockworkBanana
It's breathtaking. Definitely worth the watch.
melaqueef3000
It's my favourite of all his films. It's fantastic.
FreyaNicci
The movie pales in comparison to the manga. Which is two hardcover books worth of content.
SocialMediaMakesUsLessSocial
You do realize that movie adaptations operate on limited budgets and timetables? Gah, enough with the "book was better" snobbery
valaja
Didn't sound like snobbery to me, since comment didn't say anything negative about the movie.
ITotallyShouldBeWorkingRightNow
1: The thing about the movie is that it's really just the first part + scattered ideas, since he'd not written the rest of the manga yet.
Noraneko
To me it never appeared that there are so many female leads in his films! That's now un-forced they are made :)
DomineSatanas
I..... I don't think i've seen a single film of his that had a male lead and I feel the same.... Nice.
MizuNoMark
My thoughts exactly o never noticed or questioned it at all just enjoyed the movie
Varenvel
same , i never thinked about this till now , and i still got about 25% of movies of Ghibli to watch
borgmaster
It always stood out to me that they were girls and acting like real people to real stuff.
Avlaen
as someone who sadly hasnt watched his work, how do they stand up today?
highlordsnuffles
Great
nemises79
Really well! It's fantastic storytelling so do watch some of his movies.
ChrisGillette
There isn't a single story of his, no matter how old, that feels forced or cliche'. Please do yourself a favor and watch these films!
Avlaen
which would you recommend to watch first, princess monoke is one ive had my eye on watching for a long time but never got around to.
AnythingMuchShorter
I agree, they're their own type of magical.