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I really just enjoyed it more and thought it was better although I do really think they were both good. I especially liked how in Black Panther they just unapologetically killed people.
Holy poop first time FP... my gf would be upset if I asked for nudes so how bout dogs and food? Also thanks for the internet points you guys rock
GoniMaster
I completely disagree. Black Panther is an extremely well rounded movie, that's what makes it great. Ragnarok is just punches and sex jokes.
cbh3
Can’t we all agree they’re both good films one got more popularity than the other this is why I fucking hate the internet #leggo
StrongStyleKing
At the end of the day, both were fantastic and great to have back to back. Can't blame anyone for liking either or more!
flamingflamingo
Wasn't Thor Ragnarok basically a comedy? I stopped watching these movies after they just started going full funnies.
TiredOfMyUsernameBeingMyActualNameSoIChangedIt
This isn't unpopular at all
electricmind
It's not, just OP is hunting for upvotes. He's bored.
cmaballs
You’re not the only one, but you should be.
enderite
Feel like they were both good but different. Ragnarok more of a fun superhero romp. Black Panther is more serious in its delivery.
OmgWhyAmILikeThis
It was. But ragnarok was the 3rd thor movie. So no real background story had to be told other than the current story and packed action. [1]
OmgWhyAmILikeThis
The first thor wasn't very action heavy and very story driven. I imagine the second black panther will be better. [2]
80percentlegs
TheGifEnthusiast
ModernCookie
I honestly didn't think Black panther was that impressive D:
professionalbear
Now this a real unpopular puffin opinion
TonyStarch
Thor Ragnarok was basically marvel saying: oh shit, guardians of the galaxy is really popular, let's make all our movies like that.
Bandignomette
I guess if you mean by that that it has it's own style, I can agree with that...the style it had was completely different though.
TonyStarch
Thor was not like thor from previous movies, and I've got to say I like Ragnarok, but it just felt weird
firerage191
honestly all marvel movies are like it started with the first avengers
RednapxpandeR
I didn’t really like the end fight scene in Black Panther. The movie was awesome but I was expecting more at the end.
nsjsnenrndns
Exactly! Very anticlimactic and a pure cgi mess
RednapxpandeR
The beginning when they were falling was awesome! But the whole fight on those train tracks was lackluster.
nsjsnenrndns
Yep, expected a lot more practical choreography. Still a good film tho
DJMankiewics
I'd say ragnarok was better. Super funny, plus it had Korg
RayIsPrettyOkay
The accent of Korg made me a fan.
DJMankiewics
The new Zealand accent is great
dotnetbeast
My answer to your title is that every day you come on Imgur you should be able to see a post that proves you aren't the only one. 1/
dotnetbeast
Especially not on this site. Every day it seems like there's a new post about someone not liking Black Panther, and having to explain it. 2/
Superwomanwithtities
The majority white male 20 something site doesn't like a film about people of color? Call me shocked.
Babaloga
It's thinking like that that caused movie protagonists to be so white in the first place. White people will watch black-led films.
StrayLilCat
That- That is REALLY not the reason why the majority of films have white actors.
Babaloga
It's hard to fit nuance into 140 characters. What I mean is companies often claim non-white actors aren't bankable. It's the excuse they use
LionHeart31337
So unpopular. Look at al other updoots. So brave. Wow.
IveGotAHorseOutside
xrayx
“It’s my collegue from work!”
ImnotAllowedtoPostPublicly
richinspirit
Oh, go on then!
Chillingworth
keillrandor
hopethisoneworks
PeeteePete
Theodore000
Burgerdan2Tall
Really? I found the inverse true, I enjoyed Black Panther more than Thor Ragnorak.
jbak
Same
jbak
Enjoyed Ragnarock too though
letsgetcrackalackin
Couldn’t agree more. Thor Ragnorak didn’t do anything special for me.
p4th0g3n
Thor was ridiculous, Hulk Ragnarok on Netflix was way better. "Tazing" the god of thunder / lighting? Stupid. Panther was better.
StrayLilCat
Same. Thor Ragnarok had be bored for too many fights and they were really trying too hard with the comedy in some places.
sunsloth
I wish I could upvote this more. I actually fell asleep during Thor Ragnorak I thought it was so boring.
CuttleFishOfCthulu
Has anyone noticed that you didnt see many of these posts until Wonder Woman and Black Panther came out?
Dominiricanish
It’s probably due to the fact that these movies were heralded as the “best movies ever” and game changers! Opened them up to more criticism
Kittynomnoms
To be fair, Wonder Woman was obscenely overhyped and then went full retard at the end, and people still gush over it because "muh diversity"
dragosteakae
Yeah I didn't see anyone making awkward penguins over liking Iron Man more than Spider-Man. Like what you like. Let people be excited.
dragosteakae
fuck. puffins*
jbak
????
CuttleFishOfCthulu
We know what it is...
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munkyduck
See I thought Ragnarok tried too hard to be funny.. and it ruined it. Just my opinion
MetSoh
I liked the humor, I just hate that it's centered around Ragnarok, a super serious and tragic event.
HyperboLemuR
I feel this way about GotG 2, but I loved Thor 3
salunatics
Two completely different movies. Thor was fun fluff, BP was serious character driven. Like comparing Ant-man to Winter Soldier.
TheLordOfGiraffes
But that being said black panther’s story wasn’t particularly interesting or new. Characters were spectacular though.
GuardsmanMiku
imo marvel is shit at story writing, the comedy ones are the only thing that saves it
MetSoh
This! That being said, Winter Soldier is unquestionably the best Marvel movie.
TheUserThatWasPromised
I concur.
rollercostarican
I dont get these arguments, you can still compare which one you liked better. I prefer sex over shoveling snow.
StrayLilCat
One is a chore while one is a fun activity...They're not comparable.
rollercostarican
They are comparable, they are both physical activities, you can have a preference. The preference might be obvious, but they are comparable
rollercostarican
just like preferring to eat steak over beets, one can argue it isnt comparable, but it is.
StrayLilCat
So getting stabbed with a knife is comparable to getting fucked, as both are events with penetration from foreign objects.
rollercostarican
Depending on the context of the argument being presented. Yes, If we're talking about penetration,all forms of penetration are comparable.
DJmuppet
I loved the original score from black panther
MechaNinja
I don't understand why you need to say one is better than the other. They were both quite good.
SpartaWolf117
I would agree with this. Black Panther was a fun if completely predictable romp, but Ragnarok was FUCKING AWESOME!
seaurchinparty
Agreed. Fell asleep during Black Panther. Thor though...best movie of last year
Selerox
Ragnarok was one of the most enjoyable and entertaining movies I've seen in the last decade.
itisafunnystoryifyouignorethetragicelementsandthesenseofdoom
And both were awesome compared to Guardian of the Galaxy 2, what a clusterfuck of shit that was...
christopherrobinofthevale
BP plot was predictable, but had much more interesting and complex characters. Ragnarok was hilarious, but no character complexity 1/
christopherrobinofthevale
I really enjoyed both though. Marvel's on a roll. Both were in my top five of mcu so far. Hoping infinity war knocks one out though. 2
puffthemagicdracula
But I mean the characters are already established for Thor whereas BP was introducing a more in depth look into the BP character & storyline
NATA5
Huh. I kinda saw it the opposite way. Ragnarok was kinda like a beach episode in an anime and BP was more serious.
RogueKitsune
Well said. Ragnarnok was a lot fun, definitely, but it felt like there was very little actual substance to it.
EarthDragon2189
Black Panther had a lot of cultural significance, but when the dust settles there are definitely a few MCU movies that are better.
JustAnEightStoryTallCrustaceanFromThePaleolithicEra
I’m still pretty convinced that iron man 1 is the best MCU movie of all time. I feel like RDJ paved the way for funny good hero movies
EarthDragon2189
IM1 is really solid, but better than the Avengers? Winter Soldier? Ragnarok? Nah.
AfroRanger
Thor had so much forced humor. Not saying I didn't like it but the whole first scene mad me groan. It was bad.
Swedsman
Ahem... "WHAT ARE THOOOOOSE!!!!!???"
BadAdviceTerry
That first scene made me thing the whole movie was gonna be shit. Glad I stuck around, but still not everything worked.
TobiOfTheAkatsuki
The movie felt like one long joke. "The Devil's Anus"? Fucking really? If it focused on Asgard more it could've been good.
RABBlTS
That was the point. It was a comedy.
jayar1st
Here's an unpopular opinion. Thor Ragnarok was my least favorite Marvel movie.
jayar1st
All flash, no substance.
germanlady
I didn't appreciate the extreme change of character and atmosphere from the last one. It didn't feel like the same Thor.
StrayLilCat
It wasn't, which made it better imo. The first two Thor movies were forgettable.
DarthDeadpool
It had a lot of comedy. Some of which didn't really work. It also had no real stakes as everything was cut with a joke
numbonvalium
Infinity War will probably be similar. The Infinity Gauntlet and War went dark places, and MCU will just not go there anymore.
DarthDeadpool
Here's hoping you're wrong, because infinity was needs to do two things. Make thanos an actual character, and have stakes
Natertoots
It was a good popcorn flick but everything was undercut with a joke so there was no reason to actually care.
Arceus
Didn't like it either, just like GotG 2, too much forced humor. Both are good films to watch with friends, just not a first pick.
DarkwingDuc
And the CG chains were so bad it was distracting. I'm OK with CG giant flaming monsters. But chains should look and move like chains.
fairybug
Yeah, people are still figuring out how to execute Chris Pratt humor. They'll get there. At least it wasn't the princess of Wakanda 1/2
fudgycurmudgeon
Chris Hemsworth*?
fairybug
No, I mean that Chris Pratt really popularized that style of awkward humor in Marvel movies.
fairybug
going 'what are those' and wearing a weave in the same movie where another character mocks them. Developed in isolation, yeah right. 2/2
StrayLilCat
Agreed. They were trying too hard to pull off GotG comedy.
PiGiSpi
Same! I hated how it seemed like this epic battle was about to go down and...yeah, some stupid gag about him hanging around, twice in a row.
blueshirtmorty
Jeff Goldblum made that film for me. the "it's my birthday" part sent me into a hysterical laughing fit
ChrisBronson
I didn't hear any thunder, but what were those, sparkles, that came out of your fingers?
jomama64
I lost it when they started playing song from willy wonka and the chocolate factory.
Sklumlord
Ikr? he was so good
sponx4
Get me that Grandmaster's Remix song any way of the week :)
TheAdventuresofStealy
That part was the best. Knowing his character up to then and what the purpose of that ship was, it was just the sleaziest thing imaginable.
GhostTigre
"Don't....don't touch anything."
cyno01
Remember the Team Thor shorts from Civil War? Have you seen the new one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nl3VkYkMa6Q
KatPat26
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Terallodaktus
I for one hadn't yet, but thank you so much for bringing it into my life. I was in stitches.
cyno01
It made it into my infinity war marathon.
blueshirtmorty
this warms me terrifically, thank you
IrrelevantIrrelevance
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Paulysium
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TheMasterOfAllCats
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tzahtman
Different people like different things: news at 11.
uplock
Agreed. Me halfway through Ragnarok: https://imgur.com/ZPqc6IH
baguette37
What did you think was wrong with it?
uplock
For me it was too over the top jokey, BUT I want to emphasize it's simply my preference and I don't in any way expect every movie to...1/2
uplock
cater to my specific preferences, so I'm not knocking the movie as 'bad', just not my style, I preferred Dark World, which I know..1.5/2
uplock
a lot of people hated. Different strokes for different folks. :-) 2/2
enderite
I dunno man. People on this site seem to be extra butt hurt over this movie. Ain’t seen a reaction like this since the Last Jedi backlash.
asianwithscrawnyarms
I think because of the identity dynamic of BP, a significant group of people EXTRA liked it (myself included) bc of relatability (1/2)
asianwithscrawnyarms
And then people who don't find that relatable couldn't understand the hype, which makes it "overrated". Loved them both personally (2/2)
tinypixiexoxo
I just think for superhero movies, they were totally different. not really comparable.
rollercostarican
you can compare how much you like something even if its different. I like whiskey more than i like push ups.
tinypixiexoxo
I like cheese more than I like the crusty mold in the tupperware containers I forgot about in my refrigerator for 3 months.
tinypixiexoxo
I like peeling the plastic off a brand new laptop more than I like cleaning the toilet that only my grandfather uses.
rollercostarican
yup, and thats why i can say i like the purge better than I like frozen.
RyanMcAllister
Poticus77
Well then you’re a racist!!!!
HeroHadley
zellar2020
thatsbadmmkay
Nobody's saying that chill
MarvinTheMartiansDog
Yoda says "Joking you should not, Bad at it you are"
HalTheMisinterpretivePornStar
ashesarise
Jokes are supposed to be funny. If a joke isn't funny, its just thinly veiled signaling. In this case, racists.
HalTheMisinterpretivePornStar
Assuming that the person who told the joke is white. Not very progressive of you
ashesarise
What does being white have to do with anything? Racism isn't progressive.
TotallyNotADogInTrenchCoat
Care to explain how liking one marvel movie over another makes @OP a racist?
Brawn21
Poticus77
Thank you!
jomama64
Omg this is perfect
GrossIncandescence
Dude this goes without saying. Thor was awesome and hilarious, and the plot of Black Panther took exactly zero risks and surprised no one.
DontLookHereorReadThis
I was surprised they killed off Andy Serkis.
lindisty0110
I was so excited when T'Challa died. I thought: oh, who will the gap? This is marvelous! Find the replacement and show how-- of course.
BORGALOOGIE
SouperScott
Would have been better with less jokes.
Goatsarepeople
There is one thing I will always hate Ragnarok for. Because of it we will never get a full fledged Planet Hulk movie.
savagestarshine
They decided that before they made ragnarok though
Bahiano1993
No risk in terms if plot, movie was brave I think in other aspects
TobySomething
[SPOILERS] I disagree, I didn't think they'd kill Claw early on, found BP's plotline more engaging and Killmonger an interesting villain.
HarryDresdenIsMySpiritAnimal
I can't wait for the day when black movie makers will be able to take risks without being judged for their "blackness". BP was just "safe"
DarthDeadpool
Imo the only good thing about plack banther was the Shuri, M'baku, and KillMonger. Also Andy Serkis cause duh
ArchiesGrandson
I just love the juxtaposition of your sentence " the only good thing about this movie was this ... And that ... And that ... also that
DarthDeadpool
***The only good things were***
UntamedNarwhals
Black Panther plot was a live action Lion King
KurtHamster
* Hamlet
XeononSolomon
Ah I see you are a man of culture
OatmealBreakfast
That scene on the ridge at sunset at the end
KonaDarbles
Was more of a "black panther - Wakanda civil war" film. Was alright though
Narnyakorploxmonat
Ragnarok also already had a familiar character. Black Panther seemed mostly meant to "introduce this mysterious fella, T-cat"
GuardsmanMiku
doesn't make it better
Yirgacheffeallday
The plot of Ragnarok took risks and was surprising? I'm not saying black panther was better, but Marvel movies aren't bastions of plot.
TheOnionKnight
I thought killing off Odin and destroying Asgard was a bit risky. I mean, I know it’s called Ragnarok but damn.
MetSoh
Literally everyone knew Odin was going to die and massive event that is RAGNAROK is handled poorly with very little meaningful stakes
SirHappi
Ragnarok took a huge risk by presenting itself as more of a comedy than anything else. I agree with you about the plot but, it was risky.
anakhasilver
That's not a risk with how fandom views Thor, though.
Erikc007
anakhasilver
Welcome. Like. I wanna know where this person hangs out that the majority of fandom DOESN'T view Thor as an idiot meathead instead of just
Yirgacheffeallday
Going the comedy route was the least risky thing they could do. Who can honestly say that thor 1 or 2 is their favorite marvel movie? (1)
Yirgacheffeallday
Then look at Guardians as a franchise which took the comedy route from the get go. Immediate fan favorite. (2)
Yirgacheffeallday
It was the only logical route they could go with Thor bevause if it maintained the theme of the first 2, it wouldn't be nearly as popular
MesserAuditore
Yeah given the mythos context I wasn't hoping for or expecting a space road trip comedy. Thor was comedic relief in like every scene ffs.
PiGiSpi
Yep, thats exactly what I hated about it. I didn't know that was a big risk they took. Seemed to undermine the gravity of his situation
MetSoh
Exactly! Ragnarok (the event) is not suppose to be funny.
BlueLanternBraxx
They made Thor out to be what he is, just another alien, not some god. I thought it was risky. Hell they destroyed the hammer.
anakhasilver
But that's... Not a risk here? In MCU? It's not even a risk to show him as comedic with how fandom views him.
ABillionDucks
With lightning powers...
eddieeeeeee69
I don't know, personally i didn't like that Thor took the Guardians direction. To me it didn't take the situation at hand seriously. 1/2
habisteez
That character has nothing to do with thor
bobtheaxolotl
Well, the first two Thor movies were fairly serious, and about as much fun as an enema.
eddieeeeeee69
Granted some of the funny parts were perfect, others fell short for me. Black Panther, to me, had a tone shift and felt more serious 2/2
kidneyfizzz
I agree with you 100% sir
eddieeeeeee69
I was also hoping Thor 3 had a more serious tone.
PiGiSpi
Completely agree. But its not just the humor, its how it was put in. Thor 3 shoved it into every scene. BP's humor was much more natural 1/2
PiGiSpi
in that it arose from normal interactions, and didn't feel like they were actively trying to undermine the plot of the whole movie
RealScienceMan
It was a bit funny, but not really interesting. It undid the character progression of both Thor and Hulk, and the non nonchalant 1/2
RealScienceMan
attitude of all the characters just feels really out of place, and the plot felt really shallow, like they were trying to do too much. 2/2
officialaristen2718
Am I the only one that thought Ragnarok was just about the most predictable marvel movie I've ever seen.
flexOnEm
No, cause its just a carbon copy of the marvel formula
officialaristen2718
My thoughts exactly.
Aquyssariss
None of the Marvel movies are really surprising. They're funny and have character development for the "good guys".
Aquyssariss
And sometimes they do that for a "bad guy" or two.
Dominiricanish
Winter Soldier was very surprising. It’s still my number 1 Marvel movie.
Aquyssariss
I used to many quotation marks. Damn.
Aquyssariss
And they're still entertaining. I don't go to superhero movies for "daring plots".
Erikc007
You are the target market of Disney and that’s ok but not everyone wants endless jokes in super hero god alike movies
Aquyssariss
Yea that's absolutely understandable. I just don't see much point in complaining about them for what they are.
KurtHamster
Nope.. it sucked!
anakhasilver
No. It's so in line with fandom's view of things it's painful.
Goatsarepeople
People don't like Ragnarok because it's a deep compelling movie. People like Ragnarok because it's pure entertainment at its best.
officialaristen2718
That was the most fanboy comment I've ever read. Do you always ride dick that hard?
Goatsarepeople
How can I ride a dick when you're busy deep throating it?
officialaristen2718
???????????? good shit
officialaristen2718
I don't like how the villian almost kills Thor, then starts talking nonsense, then Thor gains sudden strength and kills her. Thats no good.
officialaristen2718
There isn't anything compelling about that
Goatsarepeople
And I totally agree, it's just a pure brain off fun on movie. It had one job, be fun to watch. It did that in spades.
SirBoomstickofHouseWilliams
Kilmonger was one of the better villains though. He had actual motivations aside "I want to rule over x because I is evil".
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Truefacted
He had one of the worst showdowns in the whole MCU. They looked like ps2 characters when they were jumping around.
FussyZeus
Most definitely, Black Panther's only real weak point IMO was some of the VFX shots were just trash and that showdown was UGH.
TheScarlettDaulphin
the problem with the fight was that they could have been wearing any kind of supersuit. there was nothing that made them really unique
reux
And the Seoul fight in the casino was so much better - in the same film.
FussyZeus
The car chase there was also amazing. Freaking Amazon taking down a truck with a spear
fathersisterberzerker
Kilmonger was the weakest piece of shit villain I've ever seen. This whole post is nonsense. It shouldn't even be a puffin.
Goldmarble
Though his motivation is, "Black people need better guns than white, cuz we oppressed! We shud be moar violent!" ....Cause stereotypes?
maraphaek
No. He’s one of the most rehashed villains I’ve seen. Nothing original about him. It’s Lion King with reversed roles. The whole movie.
DelaysAction
Killmonger was ok, but he is highly overrated. And nothing is more boring when the hero and the villain have the same powers.
Imapancakenom
Exactly. I'm so bored of finales where it's just ok fight the evil version of yourself.
epoke
Really? I liked the concept and story of the villain, but thought the acting was miserable. You would never have known that the character 1/
epoke
was so thoroughly experienced and competent as a military strategist by the way MB Jordan portrayed him. Seemed like Street Thug #7 to me.
TrueLegateDamar
Really made it hard for me to take him seriously
Soulsaretoomainstream
Yeah thats a really good point.
BubbaRunski
That's a product of the writing, not MBJ. We needed to see him in some brutal army raid spreading revolutionary messages near the beginning.
KurtHamster
I Think ill have to agree..
rollipukki
They had the change to write intellectual and brutal black villain and they made him the most cliche hollywood street thug. Made me angry.
SirBoomstickofHouseWilliams
I think you're looking over the fact that he was street as well as an intellectual. He had to be both because survival forced him to be.
SailorJimmy
Nature vs Nuture. T'Challa was also driven by revenge for his father in Civil War, but he was a "diplomat" while KM was a mercenary.
rollipukki
Sure but they kinda need to show it too. He was macho-tripping in every scene except 2 and those were the emotional dad-death scenes.
prozack8356
The very beginning in the musuem?
brujahenforcer
Best marvel villain so far was jessica jones series 1
Robvp
David Tennant did an amazing job
chuckiebob
They put the motivation in his backstory, but on screen, he was still so 2 dimensional
lunamunmun
The only way that BP is better than Ragnarok.
Countercheck
He was really interesting right up until the last act, where he basically changes into a 'King Bad-Guy' cliche.
somethingnotyettaken
He was pretty much an anti-hero, not just an ill-defined 'evil' copy of the hero. Though still a copy of the hero, power-wise ;p
ehoba666
Him wanting Wakanda to share their tech just so oppressed people can have high-tech weapons was pretty stupid though...
IAmTheEarlyEvening
His anti imperialism push was solid, but he was totally one-dimensional
RealJoshBraddy
Until she tells thanos to kill half the universe an starts the Infinity war .
notacobra
"I want to fuck whitey because black people killed my dad" isn't much better
DarkMutton
Michael B Jordan played the part of racist "black lives matter spokesperson"... But I repeat myself
Gremlynn4023
Just because it was more spoonfed to you with current issues already on your mind doesn't mean past villains didn't have relatable motives.
sarkonas
"Hey, I'm bitter and I have family issues, let's kill white people!"
DarkMutton
Michael B Jordan played the part of racist "black lives matter spokesperson"... But I repeat myself
Suburan
I appreciated Loki in Thor 1 for similar reasons
SirBoomstickofHouseWilliams
Loki is the best of the bunch, no contest.
itsTronBonne
"Someone I never met from a country I've never been to killed my Dad". A guy with a rough upbringing and a chip on his shoulder.
LocustChild
Everyone talks about Killmonger, but they forget Fisk and Cottonmouth. Fisk is a much better villian IMO.
SirBoomstickofHouseWilliams
Fisk was fucking great. Spot-on casting.
Infiking
Tbf, Fisk and Cottonmouth were from TV shows. They have more time to develop their villains compared to the movies.
LocustChild
Not really? Both are written ahead of production, and rewritten during and post-production. Cottonmouth didn't even last a season
Robvp
Fisk was a whiney little bitch and while Cottonmouth was good, I think Shades and the lady were better
LocustChild
Killmonger was just as whiney though; it was ignored since it struck home with minorities.
KnightWang
I liked him as a villain, but I just couldn't find MBJ threatening. He's just too damn charismatic to come off as a dangerous individual.
Freeflare
No such thing. He might be a crummy villain, but you can't be 'too charismatic' to be one.
C141Clay
He was sooo borderline "good". Welcoming death was BShit. Should've saved his ass, slapped him, treated him like family, he was worth it.
clandevort
That only makes them more dangerous. Hitler was famously charismatic in his speeches
EricFromAccounts
omg. he's black hitler
KnightWang
True, but Kilmonger is different. His character requires him to have both charisma and be a physical threat to T'Challa, but I couldn't
KnightWang
Ever really buy MBJ being a danger to BP or anyone else.
Shoelebubba
I prefer Zemo in Civil War. Base character is the same, special forces/heroes responsible for their family dead, but they splinter in 1/2
Shoelebubba
Their ideas. Killmonger has delusions of grandeur, Zemo’s only goal was to use truth to kill the team.
DollyPartonsaNationalTreasure
I 100% agree, but for some reason did not really like the actor the used to portray him for some reason.
sarabearr
Yeah, they did a good job with him
omfgitsmichael
I thought his entire character was "have all black people kill all white people because Wakanda didn't help back in the day"
omfgitsmichael
Literally a racist. If I white guy did it, it would've been the worst movie in the world and have been banned or something. I'm indifferent
SirBoomstickofHouseWilliams
I think you're lookimg at it from a negative perspective. The entire point of Kilmonger was to demonstrate resolving race issues w/ anger-
SirBoomstickofHouseWilliams
and violence is the wrong way to go. These are understandable human emotions, but anyone who lets them rule is making the whole thing into a
SirBoomstickofHouseWilliams
personal crusade. The only way harmony between peoples can be achieved is through community and understanding, which may take eons for us.
SoberAndBored
"Kilmonger"? Talk about obvious. Was "murdercorpse" already taken?
SirBoomstickofHouseWilliams
That actually sounds metal as fuck.
SchrodingerMil
It’s such a stupid fucking name though.
B99Reactions
Killmonger was not good, overhyped, forced, predictable
HappyShark
I thought of batman honestly
youcancallmesusanifitmakesyouhappy
Absolutely terrible casting tho, MBJ is an ok actor but that was equal to casting Eric Foreman as Venom.
thebadhorse
I disagree. Most bullshit hero. Daddy issues motivates girls to become strippers, yet this asshole becomes a mass murderer?
biggwhytey
Well, she was raised in combat.
SirBoomstickofHouseWilliams
Daddy issues are a hell of a drug.
TrueLegateDamar
His motivation was burn everything because my daddy got killed, not much better and the same as Ronan the Accuser
rollercostarican
and b/c his people were being oppressed globally and he felt like they had the power to change that but BP refused to do anything.
TrueLegateDamar
He didn't give a shit about 'his' people and was planning to lead them into a massacre, a few high-tech spears won't stop armies or Iron Man
rollercostarican
I dont think he gave ashit about their welbeing i think he gave a shit that they were "weak"/being taken advantaged of. My 9mm wont do much
rollercostarican
against US army tanks and fighter jets, but some people still think this way. Some people would rather fight till death than be/appear weak.
Dagordae
That was his initial claim but the movie made it clear later that he was more interested in basically making the world suffer rather than
rollercostarican
"death was better than living in chains"
Dagordae
Helping anyone. His plan was completely self destructive, as they point out.
rollercostarican
I dont think think he cares about their welbeing, but he cared more about them being weak/"in chains" so the suffering was a motivation
vmos
He fails the same way most marvel villains fail, he didn't survive the movie.
DearAbbi
THANK YOU!!!
thoraxekicksazz
But I couldn't get behind Michael B Jordan as a bad guy and the plot was safe and kind of mediocre after his reveal.
mitsobar
He was paper thin and a moron. Black people being oppressed im going to murder anyone and everyone including mostly black people to protest
mitsobar
and ship guns to some random people in random places who will do who knows what with them. Even for a comic villain he was incredibly dense.
poodlypoodle
I have the same opinion as OP, but I agree, they wrote him very well
IFindDelightInTheGruesomeAndGrim
Idk if they wrote him that well I think Michael B Jordan was just amazing regardless of the writing.
AidenT92
I have to agree. Compared to the other villains he's better, but doesn't mean it's great. Kilmonger just has more hype
wheresMYbandithat
I think the idea was strong but they didn't flesh him out well. Jordan did all of that
yarow12
They fleshed him out when he got the powers and saw his ancestors. Watch Lorerunner's spoiler discussion on it: https://youtu.be/7y1_twVCeOY
SailorJimmy
It's just the same with all Marvel villains. They have the same power and abilities. See: Iron Man, Capt US. Thor, Hulk. Mordo, Antman.
SoapyMammaryMasturbation
Nah, he was pretty bland. Klaue was the far more entertaining villain.
StandardDeviant
Yeah, but he was a complete psychopath. He scarred himself all over his body every time he killed someone. That's a section 8 right there.
picardsaysengayge
yeah well too bad before could
FluffyKittyLover
At the end though, their 1 on 1 fight meant nothing, the real battle was above ground. That and the stakes of losing wasn't really defined.
SirBoomstickofHouseWilliams
With this level of responses, I will take the opportunity to say Dormammu was the biggest disappointment ever
Kittynomnoms
Enormous world-ending villains never work out in live-action movies. It either goes full retard with the combat or it's just disappointing.
SirBoomstickofHouseWilliams
Yeah but goddamn at least give him his classic look. Not this disembodied head andross bullcrap
Blahmeistah
could have been so much better if they made him more humane. He killed his gf and the 1st thing he did when he got powers was choke a woman
mayjunejuly
It really showed how evil he is
MichaelHames
They literally said they killed everything he loved so tells you how he felt about her
Dagordae
He’s a violent extremist. His base plan is murder enough people to bring society crashing down. If he were humane, he would have to be a
Dagordae
Completely different character. His plan revolves around race based mass murder/genocide.
Blahmeistah
True, but he started with repressing his own
Dagordae
He’s a Black Panther. Their extremist side happily attacked black people who were in their way. It’s the nature of extremists. ISIS is
ArrogantFool
Looked to me like he was becoming/had become the oppressor he so wanted to rule over
SailorJimmy
Those that feel oppressed usually act out because it's all they know.
tekcor
But they still just killed him in the end. I wanted some other kind of resolution. They both wanted the same thing, just differently.
tekcor
Compromise. The only good fight is the one not fought. Why did it have to devolve into a deathmatch like every other movie?
SirBoomstickofHouseWilliams
Because people want superpowered dudes in tights smacking each other around. It's still an action movie.
Kittynomnoms
That would have been so anticlimactic if the movie went exactly how it did, except at the end they were like, "wait, let's be friends!"
tekcor
Don’t get me wrong, I completely understand that. But we know that script. We knew who was going to win. I was hoping for different.
SnugglesaurusRex
Kilmonger and Hela were both exiles of the royal family returning to their homeland to claim their birthright and conquer the world(s)
SirBoomstickofHouseWilliams
Difference being Kilmonger was punished for the sins of his father whereas Hela was punished for hers.
SnugglesaurusRex
That's a great point, but Kilmonger racked up quite a few sins earning his name though too.
SirBoomstickofHouseWilliams
Yeah, but he did what he had to do to survive. Hela was lusting for power for the sake of power.
Wazzu
Killmonger had incredibly stupid basic motivations. I hate that they don't get any deeper with Marvel. Weaponising the world is bad, but 1/
Wazzu
they don't go into why. Their one sentence "they would bring their problems and then Wakanda would be like everywhere else" is such a great2
Wazzu
launching point for other discussions, but they don't go anywhere. I truly am the fan who wants depth in superhero, and i won't get it 3/3
SirBoomstickofHouseWilliams
There are time constraints. If they get more political, action sequences and characterisation get shafted.
Wazzu
When 'time constraints' happen every time, in movies with astounding bloat in questionable areas, it's just them not wanting to do it.
MrJaunty
"I want to rule because it is my birthright and I'll be better at it than you." Who am I? Hela, or Killmonger?
TonyStarch
And your username is relatable
gnovice
Loki?
JarlmannViking
Loki wasn’t even born to rule the frost giants. Royal blood, but not an heir.
SailorJimmy
He was adopted.
gnovice
Yeah, but his biological dad was Laufey, King of the Frost Giants. So, still royalty, technically.
rollercostarican
"my father was killed and i was abandoned while my brothers and sisters are constantly being taken advantaged of/struggle while the current
rollercostarican
king has enough power to change this, yet stands around and does nothing. I will use this power to overthrow those currently benefiting"
strawberrycocoa
Hela, obviously.
ehoba666
"Wakanda should give everyone high-tech guns" -Killmonger's shitty plan to solve oppression
1AMTHEBATMAN
"I will give black people guns to murder white people" - his plan, basically.
rollercostarican
"death was better than living in chains." He wasnt trying to bring world peace, he wanted to overthrow the people benefiting from oppression
LaughAndReload
He wanted to utilize Wakanda as an unstoppable weapon. He didn't give a shit about its' birth rights, traditions, culture, or people
LaughAndReload
and to be fair, you could probably make the same statement about Hela, but I think she wanted the throne for the sake of ruling, he wanted>
LaughAndReload
< a means to an end.
MrJaunty
He didn't, but you also just described Hela's feelings about Asgard and its people.
LaughAndReload
Yes, true but my point in my continued post was that he saw the throne as a weapon and not a birthright. Hela was already a weapon and just
LaughAndReload
wanted the throne for her own vanity.
KizosAwan
Wouldn't it be better as "I want to rule because it is my birthright and you don't kill enough people."
PrinceSatisfactory
Sounds pretty viking to me
TonyStarch
Hela, because Killmonger wanted to rule over Wakanda to use it's power to make the world a better place. Only bad thing about him is how 1/2
TonyStarch
he tries to achieve his goals 2/2
Dagordae
The movie was clear that Wakanda was just a tool to make the world burn. They more or less stated it.
MrJaunty
I think you'll find that falls into the "I'd do it better than you." category.
CaptainMustache
He wanted top run guns to down trodden people top overthrow world powers. He would start a world war after which there would be no one 1/2
CaptainMustache
To* Thanks Obamacorrect.
GeneTheAwkward
+1 for "obamacorrect"
CaptainMustache
Who knew how to run a country. His grand plan wad very ill conceived. It would amount to genocide and chaos. Worst villain plan in the MCU.
PenisShapedPoops
I don't think he minded the genocide...all things and motivations considered.
Fahargo
His version of a better place was garbage though. All he wanted was chaos
MostIndeedlySo
But it wasn't even his birthright. I mean, when does a cousin of the crown prince have any right to rule? If he was the leader of another...
MostIndeedlySo
tribe and then challenged him in the first ritual combat (which by the way is an idiotic way to choose a ruler for a high-tech society)...
MostIndeedlySo
...then maybe he would have some legitimacy. But then again, Wakanda as a whole was a disappointment.
Fahargo
I think they viewed it as spiritual, the spiritual leader would triumph. If he won he obviously was picked by their ancestors
MostIndeedlySo
Well, then they are ignorant fools. One would imagine that a high-tech nation like Wakanda would know better. I guess not.