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Temzilla
The matrix sequels were fine (2 and 3, have not seen the 4th). Get over yourself.
demonmike777
Same thing happened to Predator.
pitfallgalagatf2
I love them all. #4 a bit less.
StephenDaniels
2 and 3 were good action movies, just not masterpieces equal to the first. Not everyone in moviemaking gets to hit it out of the park every time like Steven Spielberg in the 80's or Daniel Day Lewis for his entire career. It's a good thing they stopped at the end of 3 though. A 4th would have been pretty sad I would think.
duffman3335
Highlander has entered the chat.
Nanntuckett
Am I the only person who didn’t mind the sequels? They delved more into the lore and had some great fight scenes. Worse than the first but still a good watch.
ADMNtek
well there is the animatrix.
ravenous52
We will not talk about the orangutan. !!!
arajad
Obligatory xkcd:
DevilsAdvocat
that's where it was from, tried to look it up before for the same reason for a different post.. I thought it was from sequential art, but they made a different joke (in the same vein)... which because sequential art (just realized it's best not to abbreviate that comics name) doesn't have xkcd's archive and numerous wikis it's much harder to find
robnorrisradio
Same with Highlander. There can be only one.
JustBoone
There was a pretty good Pacific Rim anime, but it's on Netflix so of course it had a cliffhanger end and no season 2.
cyno01
The last one is i think the only movie ive ever seen whos clear overarching theme was "we dont want to make this movie".
OGBriGuy
And I absolutely loved it for that. It's not a good matrix movie, and it's anything but quiet about that being the intent. I'll always appreciate it for being the most meta way to tell a bunch of investors chasing easy returns to get absolutely bent.
Wholivesinapineappleunderthetree
Good movie like those two Godfather movies
Nexus297
Or those two good Alien movies
werrywerry
Wow, hard disagree.
QuinnInuit
I had a similar conversation with a fellow Xennial coworker (L) about Star Wars.
L: I've never seen any of the Star Wars movies.
Me: Wait, what?
L: Yeah. How many of them are there now?
Me: Three. There are three Star Wars movies that came out when we were kids. That's it. Only three. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
MrStealUrChange
I genuinely loved all 3. The fourth was......interesting
OGBriGuy
The fourth is goated for being a two-hour meta commentary that all but guaranteed the investors, who clearly didn't understand the story of the first three and pressured making another, were definitely *not* gonna make any money on it.
Zyiadem
So it payed for itself!
werrywerry
The trilogy was dope, the greatest ever released at that time. This is the first I'm hearing of widespread disdain for 2 and 3.
UsertubeBandwagon
The Animatrix would tickle his fancy.
solrev
Truth.
capoexplains
If you like The Matrix as a badass action movie with a cool story first and foremost (which is fine!) the sequels are a little disappointing. But if you like the films as thoughtful treatises on identity where the story and world is secondary to the ideas the Wachowski sisters intended to explore and convey then all the films, including Resurrections, are absolutely brilliant.
capoexplains
Also; if you like The Matrix as a badass action movie with a cool story first and foremost watch Equilibrium immediately.
ravenous52
This is the way.
NotFromFlorida
I think the sequels were pretty underrated IMO🤷🏻♀️ they did a great job of broadening the scope of the world and its implications
EggFooYung
I LIKED the Pacific Rim sequel (especially the gundam shoutout). The anime was pretty damn good as well, I wish they'd continue it. It gave a deeper dive than the films.
werrywerry
The sequel was balls.
The fight scenes were garbage, the mechs lost all weight and impact, it looked like old school power rangers
The anime was really good.
irisewithredeyes
Specific Rim, eh...
AK90
Yeah I liked it too
ADMNtek
THER IS NO Pacific Rim sequel!
7thor8thcaw
I couldn't bring myself to watch the sequel. I loved the first one in all its cheesy glory, and I doubted the sequel was going to capture it.
NussKnuspermix
I will never understand the hate for the Sequels. I absolutly love the whole trilogy and they have some of the most iconic scenes in popculture history.
Seeing Zion for the first time and how Neo slowly grasps of what it truly means to be the one. The whole fight against the Merowinger Goons, the Highway Chase, the hundred smith fight. I even like the Archithect and the questions this scene raises about free will.
And even the third one has the whole foght for Zion which was absolutly epic.
MeatyMouthfeel
They did, however, make a really cool standalone fight scene on a highway.
TheDozenPercent
The intro in the back street, the highway scene, the slur monologue, the castle fight and the key master corridor were glimpses of what an absolutely awesome sequel they could have made if they had pulled their head out of their ass.
chiaco
I really enjoyed the Chateau fight scene too. The highway scene was feeling a little drawn out by the end of it. But still great
jayman0123
the look on Mero's face when his last dude gets smashed in the face with the mace is so fucking funny
TungstenOrbital
What was that?
haggerton
They're making a joke about how Matrix 2's only good scene is the highway scene.
PhailRaptor
I liked the fight with all the Smiths in the courtyard, after the Oracle left, as well
Emjayen
That scene centered on Carrie-Anne Moss and Morpheus is driving a truck as they fight those twins iirc.
TungstenOrbital
That was the best scene
duktayp
Paraphrasing Keanu: "i'll keep making the movies as long as they keep writing the checks" even if it's "Matrix Babies"
thebigbaka
Got to help those sick kids somehow
nefroye
Sorry but I hate that attitude. It's not like the dude isn't insanely wealthy already. I hope he didn't actually say that.
RyvaTheRenamon
I mean it's literally a career. His job is being in things as an actor, and he gets to choose what those are.
If he wants to keep making those he can, whats the issue?
Neurisko
It's entertainment. He donates a large amount of his income and lives quite modestly.
bippityboppitybuttsex
So, how could Neo stop the Sentinels in the real world at the end? Cuz they don't bother ever explaining that shit.
BobJohnsonOwait
The “real world” was just another layer of the Matrix. Neo never left the Matrix, so the powers he developed kept working. It was all just another layer of control.
Shovi
And the 4th(or maybe another trilogy) could have been about him realizing this and escaping to the actual real world. But the director wanted to phone it, and make cheap 4th wall remarks about making a soulless cashgrab. I hate the 4th one.
Shovi
He has all that machine tech fused to his nervous system, i guess he unlocked the radio/wifi system they use to communicate.He IS The One after all, if someone were to unlock that it would be him.
Millstone85
At the end of the second movie that doesn't exist? Well, based on the third movie that doesn't exist, I am a big fan of the "Wi-Fi" theory that Neo is now able to manipulate the machines' hive mind and make nearby sentinels malfunction. Then there is the theory that the so-called real world is just another simulation, one that Neo learns to manipulate but never tries to escape.
ydwyrd
Even as a kid I assumed it was basically a Wifi attack. I never did like the "Real World is just another Matrix" theory though.
hellospacemonkey
Episodes 1,2,3,7,8,9 do not exist, maybe someday, they will be made. Rogue One does exist.
iamlegendinjapan
Unpopular opinion but I like the matrix 2 and 3.
Wasnbo
I liked Reloaded, it had a great twist with the Architect, even if the message was obtuse. "You thought you were an enlightened freedom fighter? You and the rest of the humans in Zion been doing exactly what I wanted you to from the very start." It's a subtle fuck you to the people who saw the first Matrix and thought, "Yeah, I'm special and everyone around me is an NPC who only wants to take me down!"
Wasnbo
Revolutions had some good ideas with the immigrant-like programs in the subway, and Neo choosing peace through sacrifice at the very end. But it's kinda drowned out by the rest being a dumb war movie, and the thing with Trinity just went on way too fucking long.
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tavinjer
I think the first one was such a mindfuck that audiences expected the sequels to be equally revelatory. I always thought that 2 and 3 did a good job of following the world and characters and implications, though.
itrytoonlysaypositivethings
Is this a good time to bring up they made a 4th? I didn't hate it.
iamlegendinjapan
I agree. It was fun It just didn't need to be made
OGBriGuy
as a matrix superfan, if I'm being honest, Reloaded is hands down my favorite, then the original.
imo the best way to appreciate Reloaded and Revolutions is to watch the trilogy (along with the Animatrix in-between the first two) as a single viewing experience.
iamlegendinjapan
The matrix code has been my phone live wallpaper for almost 15 years now. It's my computer wallpaper. I have it on my debit card as the design. My computer RGB is green and black. I am right there with you
OGBriGuy
fuckin legend.
(I still have/use the XP-era screensaver, which miraculously continues to work, with the phone call and trace sequence, before transitioning to steady code rain)
ZDan
Even the original movie, they lost me when they showed sustaining human lives as providing *positive* energy? Bullshit, it costs *WAY WAY WAY* more energy to keep humans alive in little cells than anything you'd get out of that in return! Fricking ABSURD. Honestly I loved the movie up to that point, and hated it after that.
StephenDaniels
Sure but the Matrix with cows can't work. The cows wouldn't rise up.
ydwyrd
Apparently in the original script it said the humans were being used as biological CPUs, but the executives thought it would be too confusing, so they mandated the change to human batteries, even though that makes far less sense.
ExplodingPortaPotty
I feel like the Animatrix is an important watch to better understand the morality of choices made in the Matrix universe. Specifically The Second Renaissance as it highlights that the machines really made every effort possible to try and co-exist with humanity.
adamlstf9
I think the second movie actually had some in reidbly good bits of storytelling hidden right in plain sight. I watched it super high once and understood things in a whole different level; there’s a huge commentary on gender and performative masculinity contained in when they’re wearing their sunglasses vs not (Neo removes his mask to give Persephone that real kiss she’s been missing.).
RogueCorp
This is correct. There is the Matrix and The Animatrix. Then some really polished fan-fiction.
donthaveonebrojustlurk
And the video game Enter the Matrix. Y'all can hate on the sequels as much as you want but there are some cool storylines that the game explores and the movies don't. For example - most people have never seen the makeout scene between Niobe and the Merovingian's Wife.
RogueCorp
I stand corrected... Matrix, Animatrix, Enter The Matrix
DianNaoChong
The future movies give us the understanding that the machines were not all necessarily good faith actors either. Were meant to try and empathize as equals but should understand their part in the process. They do end up destroying the world economy.
JamieSays
The Matrix Reloaded is really not bad. The third one definitely dragged.
Cardenjs
The issue is that Reloaded can't stand in its own by design
JimFromMarketing
But it doesn't have to, it's a sequel
GlennBecksChalkboard
Reloaded is a solid brain-off action flick imo.
WooNeat
Yeah I recently rewatched the entire set in order and the Animatrix sure opened up a lot of the world for me and actually made me dislike the 2+3 a bit because I feel like they could've done so much more justice to the world ... What this needed to me is the modern series universe exploration with like 3 seasons of quality tv to explore themes, origins, etc with action filler as necessary
Still enjoyable of course, but nothing matches the intrigue of the 1st film
IhopeUgetwhatUvoted4
The cgi in the second movie wasn't great but I really enjoyed it. Maybe one day they give the story a proper ending.
MacTually
I enjoy them all. The first was your action flick. Animatic was fan love. The other two are the operas.
It's long but I don't get how people can be all about LOtR and says the trilogy sucks.
If they could have made that a 7 season series I'd want more.
MacTually
*Animatrix
(Also if you don't know, Animatrix soundtrack is top 10 soundtracks).
Tengenstein
Conga fury IIRC was a tune
Tarmaccian
I saw something recently described as “just like real life, in that different episodes are different genres”, and that fits here, too.
Despite the names, the sequels aren’t just “The Matrix, Again”. They’re different movies telling different parts of the story. Different focus characters, different moods, and different concerns.
Sure, there are plot holes and silly choices. Most movies have those. Just repeat to yourself, “it’s just a show; I should really just relax”.
NoobsForDays
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Rhythmaster
I remember back in the day being disappointed in the matrix sequels, but like, since then, there have been so many absolutely terrible movies, so many shit star wars, so many bad capeshit marvel movies. Compared with those, Reloaded and Revolutions are actually really good on rewatch, especially if you get more world building from the supplemental content like animatrix. The sequels are well made, well paced films, just not quite as good as the first one.
TomBrokaw
yep, as I recall from my last rewatch, the only really bad move was the cave rave. just turrible.
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ExplodingPortaPotty
Yeah Second Renaissance really highlights that while the Machines were justified in their war with humanity they also took things to far after they won as well.
cyno01
Yeah, choosing to psychologically torture an entire conquered species forever as revenge is pretty fucked up.
ExplodingPortaPotty
Not just psychologically, after the initial end of the war they purposefully kept injured soldiers alive for as long as possible to drag out their anguish before death in addition to using them as lab rats for early data collection for which to simulate the full scope of human experience for the Matrix.
cyno01
Also that, but thats still like... Unit 731/Mengele levels of war crimes, comprehensible horrors. Putting every human in The Matrix from birth to death is only slightly behind All Tomorrows kinda shit.
Shovi
Depends on how young that child is. The part where they show humans being dissected, cut in half and other bits chopped of, tortured even beyond death, is very fucked up, you need a certain level of maturity to be exposed to something like that.
TheSkleebler
It's an American movie so it's fine. Unless there's a visible breast in that pile of dismemberment, then that's a no-no
Shovi
I dont know what being american has to do with this, but if you're implying i am one then you're wrong. Also, your values are really fucked up if you think it's ok to show dismembering of people, some alive, cutting them in half and torturing them, to children. Really fucked up.
PenguinNamedWobbles
It gets too much credit. Like 70% of it or more was copying necromancer and introducing a tiny bit of Phil 101 class content.
InfocalypseRising
Doesn't mean it wasn't good
werrywerry
So you hate Tarantino? We have nothing to talk about.
PenguinNamedWobbles
Who said anything about Tarantino?
werrywerry
Now that you mention it..... nobody.
My mistake.
PenguinNamedWobbles
Neuromancer* auto correct didn't recognize the book name.
Sorrontis
necromancer?
qPRdxH4UXm36HS9rJgLA
probably means Neuromancer, Gibsons classic cyber punk novel.
Merkonian
Neuromancer by William Gibson https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuromancer
InfocalypseRising
tbh I rewatched the trilogy a while ago and the 2nd one really wasn't as bad as I remembered it. 3 is still a mess. At least they never made a soulless fourth movie where 60% of the dialogue was about the fact that they were in a soulless 4th movie.
Ac1dBurn72
There weren't any sequels. Or prequels. Or weird anime shows. There were just the two movies.
No more.
MrStealUrChange
Super curious. As someone who loved the 3rd movie, what did you not like about it?
Kairi1231
Dozens of us! I also thought 2 was really bad on release but after a much more recent rewatch my opinion changed. Tbh I can see why it didn't do well with the main public. It felt more dialogue and story focused than the original and most people just wanna see a simple "you're the chosen one go kick ass" trope kind of movie.
thedill2000
Second movie is great imo.
Delathi
The problem is they wanted to make 1 movie as a sequel but the studio demanded a trilogy. So 2 and 3 were split and padded with filler crap.
JeffTeck
It would be nice to have 2 and 3 merged together in a 3 hours Wackowski's cut
pfshfine
That's only part of the story. The Animatrix was originally going to be the first film, but the studio wanted The Matrix to be the big reveal. So movie 1 became an animated side project sequel, movie 2 became movie 1, and movie 3 became movies 2 and 3, with the filler.
werrywerry
I always loved 2.
I recently rewatched 3 and it was way better than I remember it.
SuperNintendoEntertainmentSystem
I think the whole trilogy is great. The first one is definitely the best of them, but they're all good. Now, even as someone who loves all 3, the 4th one was incredibly forgettable and lame. I thought I'd love it since I like them all, but god is it meh. Cringy love story. "Because of the power of love" was already pushing it with the first 3... in 4 its just over the top cringe.
cropduster5000
I have seen the fourth one. And even when the matrix comes up I honestly forgot that there was a fourth one until this comment thread lmao
Neurisko
Same, I enjoyed them for what they were, and there was plenty to enjoy. I don't know why people had such a hate-on for them. Maybe they expected their minds to be blown like the first one, but nothing was ever going to be as good as the first one; it changed cinema and it created vocabulary that became a part of our culture. The next two were solid entertainment, though. #4 cheapened the sacrifices of #3 and lost the plot.
InfocalypseRising
let's talk about NPH using the term "bullet time" even though that is the name of the filming technique and there's no reason the characters would have any idea what it even means. guh.
Shovi
I loved all 3, but the 4th one i hate with a passion. I even went out to see it at the cinema, afterwards i felt like i just wasted my money. Yea, the love part is so cheesy and nauseating, and it ruins everything the first 3 established, the one is now the two, what a load of BS. They could have just made it that zion was another layer of the matrix, and this neo is actually the first to wake up to the actual real world, that would be awesome, and they could have made another trilogy with this.
TheSecondPiewackit
I actually liked the 4th one. It was better than the third.
Shovi
No it most definitely wasn't.
shehdbeuebw738373
I mean, take it for what it was. They could do it themselves or have it taken from them and be something even worse.
So it was a fun ride not really trying to be anything other than fun and meta
JerzeeTomato
There are dozens of us! I liked how self-effacing it was.
JeffTeck
...you people exist? o_O
TheSecondPiewackit
Yes, folks with different tastes, opinions, etc, actually exist.
Kenbamazingbutprobablywontbe
I kinda hate how American movies cant leave a movie on a great end. Same with terminator 2. They pulled off a great sequel which is rare. They should have stopped after that.
pictory
But yes I'm general I agree. Also with TV shows. Its like as long as they think some number of people will watch and they'll clear a profit, we have to drag every franchise to death until it's widely panned
InfocalypseRising
On the one hand I agree, on the other apparently people want to see them. And not just in the US, overseas profits are a huge chunk of the movie biz
Studawg12345
God the third movie absolutely shit all over the message of the second film.
cyno01
The Sarah Connor Chronicles show is the only post T2 entry thats any good.
pictory
Did you watch Dark Fate and if so, what are your thoughts on it? I really enjoyed it. The other day I watched 1, 2, and Dark Fate and I thought it really works well.
InfocalypseRising
It's better than the other post-T2 entries but the whole "oh you defeated skynet but now there's another thing that is exactly like skynet" bit was goofy. To say nothing of how completely borked the entire IP's timeline/continuity is at this point with every movie just kind of ignoring all the previous ones
pictory
I can't speak to the others cause I never saw them but I felt DF did a lot of other things right, setting aside same-but-different-but-same antagonist. Like the pacing, that was great ... The action pieces were pretty spectacular, dialogue, editing, etc. Would you agree?
jtwood
Totally agree. And I would never want to try to tear apart a sound, rational argument like the one you just made. However, I do feel compelled to ask: Have you considered... making more money?
Kenbamazingbutprobablywontbe
Well. Obviously its for the money. But. If it was for the art. And you as an artist actually cared about your creation. Maybe you wouldn't want to sell out on the story you created.
Millstone85
jtwood
Thank you for getting it
funone77
jtwood
omg we are actually in that system right now, aren’t we?
funone77
We are. Let's monetize everything.