It's also very much the added responsibility, especially if they're the person with the most health and/or time available (like I was, without being a dad). For the first 5 and a half years of having a dog, I was the one that did 90% of the walking, despite her being my sister's dog. Now that my sister has a steady boyfriend and I've moved back out again the responsibility is gone. Doesn't mean I don't still love the dog but the burden is mostly gone.
I'm reading my way through all/a lot of the Drizzt books now, currently on 'The Lone Drow'. It's nice seeing some of the older art that looks GOOD. Quite a few of the old covers were...eh
The Drizzt Saga was pretty formative for me in my adolescence. I really credit Salvatore for giving me a strong role model at a time where I didn't really have one. I would love to see a good attempt at a movie trilogy... hopefully by someone with more respect for the source material than the Witcher show runners.
I'd read the Dark Elf Trilogy, the Icewind Dale Trilogy, the Cleric Quintet and then the Legacy of the Drow for sure. After those series, it starts getting redundant and even a bit ridiculous. Kind of ruins the whole legacy.
I think The Dark Elf Trilogy has been one of the best fantasy reads I've had. Salvatore does a great job at making Drow Society and the Underdark feel alien. I'm a worldbuilding fanatic so I eat that shit up.
I, have read every one of his books following drizzt and his group. I believe it's up to 37 now. I can't wait for the next. Also if anyone has any series this good to recommend please let me know.
Personally, i also loved the later part, where wulfgar becomes a alcoholic thanks to the things he saw on the lower planes. I like my heroes not golden statues of virtue and unfailable, but broken and recovering..
You guys are out here slandering your fathers acting like they don't want pets because they hate animals, but really they just know that it will be their financial obligation and their responsibility to take care of in the end, no matter what everyone else promises to make it happen. It's not surprising at all that once they have the pet, they get along famously.
My dear wife who I love dearly... hasn't cleaned the litter boxes since her first pregnancy. Mind you I have always adored cats but still. Come onnnnnnnnnn.
My gf got a dog I didn't want, for exactly this reason. I have done almost everything for this dog since we got it. Now she's mad it likes me more. We're practically besties.
This is exactly correct. I deployed to Afghanistan in 2004. Told wife not to get another cat. We had one cat, please just keep it to one cat.... I came back a year later to 6 cats.
That reminds me of the time our family got a dog, then told me I was supposed to take care of it. Then got mad at me because I didn't take care of it. Oh no, wait. I never wanted a dog.
My father's problem with pets was mostly how attached he was going to become to the pet. He had to put down a dog that he loved in a very "Old Yeller" situation as a teenager (late 1960s) and never wanted another pet. We ended up with some pets growing up but he never attempted to get close to them because of that.
I don’t know. My husband just sees all the scratched up furniture, barf stains, and cat boxes when I threaten a cat. He likes good kitties, but we had a stinker who loved only me and purposely pissed on all his stuff. It has ruined him.
Of course it's not a hatred of animals/pets. It's an aversion to loss. They will get attached, the pet will age and die. We've been there. We'd rather choose it for ourselves, than have others clamor for the pet but then not give it enough attention to keep it from bonding with us.
As someone that's been in this position without being 'the dad', it is also very much because of getting saddled with the unwanted responsibility. Of course I'm not going to neglect the dog once it's there, and I might as well bond with it while it's there, but that doesn't mean I would have chosen to get a dog if it was left up to me. Same with cats, they're great but they're also a bother.
Don't think anyone's ever said fathers hate animals... feels like faux outrage for a problem that doesn't exist. Its a cliche that fathers don't want pets and love them once they get them, but I'm not sure they're anymore a financial obligation/responsibility on the father than the mother. I sometimes think men hold tighter to the status quo of the household and animals are highly disruptive.
I want you to thoroughly explain to me the joke this post is making and why it's funny as if I am completely unfamiliar with the tropes it is referencing.
I thought it was less about them wanting pet ownership at all but about the specific pets they want. These memes used to heavily feature cats and tiny "purse" dogs, which our society labels as "feminine pets". I thought the joke was that the dad's thought they wouldn't like the pet but end up preferring it for the same reasons they though they wouldn't like it. Like thinking dog sweaters are stupid then getting a tiny dog and needing one and taking great joy in finding matching sweaters with it.
Yes, the core of the joke is the ironic twist that the person who was most opposed to the dog is the one who ends up closest with it. However, it's only ironic if you assume that they were opposed to the pet per se and not the things that come attached to it. If you assume the latter, then the outcome is expected instead, and there is no joke. Hence my original comment.
I disagree that is a gender-specific issue. Women don't get unconditional love from anything from animals either. I love my dog more than anything, I didn't want her (was told she'd be euthanized at end of day without a home) and now I'd take a bullet for her. My question is why this "women don't understand how hard it is to be unloved, and will never understand the bond we have with our animals, and will never be as crushed as us when they die" position? It's ridiculous. And as a woman -
Delathi
There is no love like that between a dad and the pet he didn’t want.
FaithfulPuppy316
No bond stronger than that between the pet and the dad that didn't want it.
IamIntoleranceIntolerant
If the cat one day saves the dad's life by taking him back to the ethereal realm with him, then it's worth it.
Fayen
I'm listening to Sojurn (again) on audiobook right now <3
Ivain
It's also very much the added responsibility, especially if they're the person with the most health and/or time available (like I was, without being a dad). For the first 5 and a half years of having a dog, I was the one that did 90% of the walking, despite her being my sister's dog. Now that my sister has a steady boyfriend and I've moved back out again the responsibility is gone. Doesn't mean I don't still love the dog but the burden is mostly gone.
ValleyFur
Dad and the cat wishes. - from dad and the cat
Sticklebrickk
My parents kitty might have mouth cancer, and I'm really sad about it
LadyNetrex
That's pretty awesome!
TheMaskedMainer
I'm reading my way through all/a lot of the Drizzt books now, currently on 'The Lone Drow'. It's nice seeing some of the older art that looks GOOD. Quite a few of the old covers were...eh
paintingagency
That one looks like an old guy forced to go to a con by his cosplaying younger relative.
erutrotti
25 years spent with the books, best decision of my life.
Fayen
Kitehammer
Is that Drizzt and Mooshie?
Fayen
Yes! Also Hooter the owl and Bluster the angry bear that Drizzt shared a cave with :)
Shaodyn
No love is more pure than the love between dads and the pets they "didn't want".
dirtyFrenchman
Now I have to go reread the Icewind Dale trilogy…
ventiseii
And then the next thirty-six books in the series because dear lord it just keeps going. 39 books in 33 years…so far.
pancreas
George R. R. Martin could learn a thing or two
scuuubasteve
Good. I can't get enough.
GreatOdinsTaint
The Drizzt Saga was pretty formative for me in my adolescence. I really credit Salvatore for giving me a strong role model at a time where I didn't really have one. I would love to see a good attempt at a movie trilogy... hopefully by someone with more respect for the source material than the Witcher show runners.
Iycelium
Reading this I realized that the Dark Elf trilogy was the first books I ever read on my own initiative. I really should revisit them. :)
GreatOdinsTaint
They hold up pretty well for the most part
Styxwash
Right on.
Ialwayslookhungover
I don't remember drizzt having a receding hairline
FearOsheema
He lives in a cave, in the shadow. You can't see his hairline
jennym123
Early cover art for Salvatores books were really weird and ugly for some unknown reason (This is supposed to be Drizzt and Catti-brie)
RuthlessRuben
Looks like the cover for a lost Dune book.
Ialwayslookhungover
Definitely missed the line in the halfling's gem that explained drizzt looking like a half rotten plum.
thatlooksinfected
Do you think the cover artist was told Drizzt's age but not that he was a dark elf? On some of those covers he looks like a pensioner.
RefurbishedArcReactor
Drizzt was an 80-year-old elf. Artist didn't realize that elves and humans don't age the same way.
drowscion
I once went to a signing where RA Salvatore (humorously) talked about how they didn’t consult him for covers and these just kind of happened
rshini
It's only recently that Drizzt doesn't look like a wrinkly old geezer
unamailer
Drizzt
BillyM00n
Bless you.
ApsychicRat
my favorite shirt was one of him with the line "bitch be rollin 20s" on it
PicassoCT
Drizzit
Rogahar
The original "good outcast from a society of evil malcontents" character. As such, the only one who gets a free pass on the edgy backstory.
OmnibusLatinName
Do you all pronounce it dri-zet or drist.? Basically one syllable or two.
Jennayeaye
I thought that was him!
thehedgeofhog
Du'Urden
akrabbim
*Do'Urden, I think.
TinyVanLife
You’re correct.
MrNardtastic
And Guenhwyver
WhatInTarnationMyDudes
Guenhwyvar*
Disembowleeh
And the moon
jazorn
It's a drizzit. It's a drizzit
Dreadric
Oohhoo
pancreas
what an obscure reference, i love it
Quixus
I think this one stayed with everyone who read the book.
Zefram86
Looks more like Zaknafein, but I suppose that was intentional.
Quixus
I don't remember Zaknafein carrying a scimitar.
vincentleeprice
I recently read this book
LokiShade
First time reading the series? If so, I have a friendly suggestion.
vincentleeprice
What ya got for me?
LokiShade
I'd read the Dark Elf Trilogy, the Icewind Dale Trilogy, the Cleric Quintet and then the Legacy of the Drow for sure. After those series, it starts getting redundant and even a bit ridiculous. Kind of ruins the whole legacy.
TheMaskedMainer
I think The Dark Elf Trilogy has been one of the best fantasy reads I've had. Salvatore does a great job at making Drow Society and the Underdark feel alien. I'm a worldbuilding fanatic so I eat that shit up.
pancreas
I've been playing BG3, and my friend has to deal with me nerding out since I've read all those books. also "why is the underdark so bright?"
scuuubasteve
I, have read every one of his books following drizzt and his group. I believe it's up to 37 now. I can't wait for the next. Also if anyone has any series this good to recommend please let me know.
Nimitz007
Take a look at Janny Wurts https://www.goodreads.com/series/49113-wars-of-light-and-shadow starts a bit slow & builds to epic. Or Lois McMaster Bujold https://www.goodreads.com/series/98250-vorkosigan-saga-publication-order for Science Fiction
PicassoCT
Personally, i also loved the later part, where wulfgar becomes a alcoholic thanks to the things he saw on the lower planes. I like my heroes not golden statues of virtue and unfailable, but broken and recovering..
vincentleeprice
When I read the book on Wulgar and how he recovered from alcoholism it was a interesting read.
PicassoCT
It was a important thing for fantasy or scifi alltogether. The problem is, that most of us read it for escapism, not for interesting characters.
mksu
You guys are out here slandering your fathers acting like they don't want pets because they hate animals, but really they just know that it will be their financial obligation and their responsibility to take care of in the end, no matter what everyone else promises to make it happen. It's not surprising at all that once they have the pet, they get along famously.
PicassoCT
Also imagine you are old and you outlife poor mittens.
paintingagency
My dear wife who I love dearly... hasn't cleaned the litter boxes since her first pregnancy. Mind you I have always adored cats but still. Come onnnnnnnnnn.
plainoldfool
I love my dogs, and no, it was not my idea to adopt them. I knew full well most of the responsibilities would fall on my shoulders.
Caelumbro
My gf got a dog I didn't want, for exactly this reason. I have done almost everything for this dog since we got it. Now she's mad it likes me more. We're practically besties.
CodeWarrior
This is exactly correct. I deployed to Afghanistan in 2004. Told wife not to get another cat. We had one cat, please just keep it to one cat.... I came back a year later to 6 cats.
Sticklebrickk
That reminds me of the time our family got a dog, then told me I was supposed to take care of it. Then got mad at me because I didn't take care of it. Oh no, wait. I never wanted a dog.
KHLP
rbudrick
And the promises of cleaning litter boxes, walking, feeding, etc are done by no one except dad in many cases.
davidCartoonVillain
My father's problem with pets was mostly how attached he was going to become to the pet. He had to put down a dog that he loved in a very "Old Yeller" situation as a teenager (late 1960s) and never wanted another pet. We ended up with some pets growing up but he never attempted to get close to them because of that.
anon8219
As a father i feel this
Flooferdoof
I don’t know. My husband just sees all the scratched up furniture, barf stains, and cat boxes when I threaten a cat. He likes good kitties, but we had a stinker who loved only me and purposely pissed on all his stuff. It has ruined him.
Harbltron
Some animals are just bastards, we're no different.
Flooferdoof
I agree, but my sweet boy soured him.
ArcaneConjecture
Get a dog, not a cat.
Flooferdoof
We have two!
ElbowDeepInUserSub
Of course it's not a hatred of animals/pets. It's an aversion to loss. They will get attached, the pet will age and die. We've been there. We'd rather choose it for ourselves, than have others clamor for the pet but then not give it enough attention to keep it from bonding with us.
alex12673
Exactly this.
jayman0123
Speaking as a dad, it was just that no one but me feeds the animals. Just like the ancient texts (my messages to the missus) predicted.
Ivain
As someone that's been in this position without being 'the dad', it is also very much because of getting saddled with the unwanted responsibility. Of course I'm not going to neglect the dog once it's there, and I might as well bond with it while it's there, but that doesn't mean I would have chosen to get a dog if it was left up to me. Same with cats, they're great but they're also a bother.
MellowMeeseeks
Don't think anyone's ever said fathers hate animals... feels like faux outrage for a problem that doesn't exist. Its a cliche that fathers don't want pets and love them once they get them, but I'm not sure they're anymore a financial obligation/responsibility on the father than the mother. I sometimes think men hold tighter to the status quo of the household and animals are highly disruptive.
mksu
I want you to thoroughly explain to me the joke this post is making and why it's funny as if I am completely unfamiliar with the tropes it is referencing.
Spidermonkey969696
I thought it was less about them wanting pet ownership at all but about the specific pets they want. These memes used to heavily feature cats and tiny "purse" dogs, which our society labels as "feminine pets". I thought the joke was that the dad's thought they wouldn't like the pet but end up preferring it for the same reasons they though they wouldn't like it. Like thinking dog sweaters are stupid then getting a tiny dog and needing one and taking great joy in finding matching sweaters with it.
mksu
Yes, the core of the joke is the ironic twist that the person who was most opposed to the dog is the one who ends up closest with it. However, it's only ironic if you assume that they were opposed to the pet per se and not the things that come attached to it. If you assume the latter, then the outcome is expected instead, and there is no joke. Hence my original comment.
Sasssquatch
Men don't get love without effort. Animals give that to us. It sucks when they go.
Andrzhel
As a man who had several cats (and has one atm) i heavily disagree. I loved every one of my cats, and prefered their way over dogs.
MellowMeeseeks
I disagree that is a gender-specific issue. Women don't get unconditional love from anything from animals either. I love my dog more than anything, I didn't want her (was told she'd be euthanized at end of day without a home) and now I'd take a bullet for her. My question is why this "women don't understand how hard it is to be unloved, and will never understand the bond we have with our animals, and will never be as crushed as us when they die" position? It's ridiculous. And as a woman -
MellowMeeseeks
- its a myth that we can just get love by fluttering our eyes. We get crushed and used just like you do