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TiredOfTheBS
For the record, it only powers the menu part of Netflix which is a pretty simply web app. The video streaming part is Netflix’s own CDN
softballguy
Jthechef
Yes, I agree, but any CTO worth their pay engineers in redundancy
langly3
+++ HOW ABOUT A NICE GAME OF CHESS? +++
kheileiwylde2
Yasss
ShereeAnderson
Thank you for sharing. Very interesting stuff
Elroydb
Yeah it's not just "Big Tech." Turns out the whole world is sick of their shit
iceColdBlueSnow
They sued Amazon today.
jimicus
Suing Amazon isn't going to get their site back, and it'd be almost as devastating if they'd been given, say, 30 days notice.
tinyCabbage
alot of this isn't true, for example. if the data is hosted on RDS, you can still choose a oracle/mysql database, and the export functions t
tinyCabbage
he same, also if the server are just ec2 instances, those data can be save in images, and this images can be used in a range of softwares.
tinyCabbage
those images, even the amazon ami, are all linux based, so whilst there might be some differences, you should still be able to run a e.g. ph
tinyCabbage
p program like you would on any other linux distro.
erdholden
Very informative. Thank you.+1
fknbastard
Amazon keep their servers in big units controlled by Switch. They handle the security & AC. Conceivably, Parler could rent space at Switch
ButterySausage
The impact it will actually have on them is being dramatized however. Its completely possible that they have a microservice artitechure ....
ButterySausage
And don't necessarily rely on too many of their services. It really depends, also while the site may not be as robust, it doesn't spell END
AccountCreatedToUpvoteDogs
This is a phenomenal description of AWS. I bet AWS employees would struggle to do it so succinctly since they are used to customers who 1/
AccountCreatedToUpvoteDogs
have to understand it in order to purchase and operate it. 2/2
ezechiel71
Thanks for the explaination
AWarningToOthers
Her is something that many people are missing. Paler would still be up if they had only agreed to moderate their site to weed out the part..
AWarningToOthers
Where people where organizing to violently overthrow the government or directed people to kill others.
usernametakenisthestoryofmylife
Does fate exist?
largebTraveler
Yes Fate exists. But our choices “help” determine our Fate. Each moment our choices are made, our Fates can be altered (?!?)
dogdays2025
I think we are seeing it in real time. Maybe ask Merrick Garland. I bet he believes in fate.
Turbolibros
bUt mY fReEdUmB!
barbarian818
note: if you're a huge customer like Netflix, other cloud providers will bend over backwards to make the migration as painless as possible.
barbarian818
And it still takes a long time and a lot of money to make the move. Parler's first challenge isn't the migration, it's just finding *anyone*
barbarian818
willing to even consider them as a customer. It's almost certain that none of the other big cloud players will be interested.
CplCarrot
The guy who owns Parler is an ex secret service guy. Maybe he wanted them to incriminate themselves lol
largebTraveler
Interesting idea
mendelde
Matze is reported to have married Russian Alina Mukhutdinova after they met in Las Vegas; she was on a two week road trip around the US.
CplCarrot
Putin makes James Bond look like Mr Bean. He bought Trump for less than the price of a destroyer. No wonder he's always smiling.
psuedon
oh dear. I can see the little box in the closet that runs VOAT screaming as it gets ready to . . . . .
fallingwater
What blew up there? I mean, originally - Voat has been a dumpster fire since day one.
psuedon
originally, at the dawn of time it was great, Then Reddit refugees of various sorts took over and trolls trashed the place. AssholesRuinedIt
psuedon
And I just discovered that it shut down on Xmas day. Which is weirdly sad because I remember what it was before the assholes took over.
Holylin
Question: Why is imgur hosted on a Pentium II when it could be hosted on this AWS thingy?
gandraw
AWS is convenient but it's also hella expensive if you want a lot of power.
Anonanimal3000
fallingwater
Redgifs stole their 386, so they had to improvise.
CangodCreateAStoneItCannotLift
Aren't you assuming a bit much? Pentium II, who on Earth can afford a Pentium II?
GhostbusterGuy
Correction: Imgur ads are on AWS, just not the actual content.
mel0dee
The real question. ^^
jekath
@sarah found it in her basement and windows 95 runs just fine on it, damnit!
gablestout
Window Me*
gablestout
It is hosted on AWS, just not using enough servers
FlaccidHamster
they probably use the micro servers, probably about 2 of them.
SadToSay
They probably don't have their scaling configured properly
Thediciplematt
Today I learned people don’t know about AWS. Literally where they make all their money...
TedDansoninthedark
Member when it was alleged trump pushed the inquirer to blackmail bezos, leading to his divorce, costing him billions? Looks like he does.
AvgWhiteShark
I liked Parler. It kept all the shitasses in one convient area and out of my feeds. It also revealed all the closet pieces of shit.
largebTraveler
But I’m glad it’s gone. Too much shit clogging humanity
KirchoffsVoltageLaw
Is parler down now tho? Like do the Nazis talk to a wall today?
AvgWhiteShark
Parler is currently no longer supported by any major media outlets for lack of mods & trump is scrambling to find a new digital magaphone.
KirchoffsVoltageLaw
So in other words Parler is down?
AvgWhiteShark
For the time being till they have formally addressed all policy issues in accordance to major providers.
KirchoffsVoltageLaw
Keep it down for the next 40 years
Counterfit
Gab is still up AFAIK.
SithElephant
Extrajudicial shutting down of legal websites by a handful of tech companies having a veto is a terrible, terrible precedent.
RUFingKiddingMe
I couldn't agree more.
Mithi
Parler's lack of moderation makes "legal website" on hell of an asumption.
Saric92
It isnt. They were given a notice to either enact moderation, and remove violent content, or get shut down. This is not a political stance
Saric92
If you violate the rules of the platform you're using, or on, you get shut down or action taken against you. It's very quite simple.
OhNoDontTouch
I would agree if it were a legal website and not a domestic terrorist meetup tool.
hymenochirus
Removal of service from those non compliant with the T&Cs is commonplace and well established in precedent.
ChristopherTallant
It's true. There's also a great reason why corporate world outsources this resource to specialists... It's complicated. 30 hours? HA!
TanithRosenbaum
MAYBE with a huge team, and LOTS of overtime pay and bonuses (And we're talking 6 to 7 figures here...), and even then it would be a gamble
sturmhauke
Putting a huge team on a migration can be counterproductive. They start to get in each other's way at some point.
transientmind
When MVP is so very very M and possibly not even V. XD
ChristopherTallant
#facts
nycterelis
Those last few tweets about deploying to multiple cloud providers is incredibly misleading. Yes, using AWS pre-configured things 1/
nycterelis
Will definitely make it super time consuming and thousands of development hours to migrate, but the whole point of cloud native and 2/
nycterelis
Containerization is to make yourself as agnostic as possible. That's why things like teraform exists. Hell, Hashicorp's entire sales 3/
nycterelis
Pitch is that you can take the same teraform code and point it at aws, azure, gcp qnd nothing syntactically needs to change. End/
HeShallBeMySquishy
That's not true, Terraform resources are still vendor specific. Terraform works across all those platforms but it's not as simlle as that.
nycterelis
Right, it's "syntactically the same". You'll have to make changes based on what you're pulling in, but the structure can largely go unchange
DickVergaman
Running the same code on another cloud is easy. It's the databases, cache servers, CDN, storage services, API mgme, etc that are hard.
nycterelis
Depending on your db solution, that's also pretty easy. When you say storage i assume you mean s3? That's also "easy". CDN could be 2/
kurash
Or just a docker file away?
ILovedUnicornsFirst
I kinda wish they hadn’t given everyone a heads up so they couldn’t plan where they were going afterwards. I wish they’d been blindsided.
jimicus
30 hours, for all practical purposes, is blindsided. I've yet to meet the business that could make a big decision in less than a week.
krromerophoto2718
30 hrs of knowing you are fated to be kicked offline. 30 hrs of torment. 30 hrs of denial. 30 hrs slipping slowly away. Sounds good to me.
stink3rbelle
did you read what I did? I read that Parler has 30 hrs to plan and execute a transition that typically takes companies months or years.
ILovedUnicornsFirst
Yeah. I guess that’s not really that much time.
ILovedUnicornsFirst
Just POOF gone. I’m sure they will still find a way to communicate with each other but it would’ve been nice to make it a little harder.
Microsoftpp
GAB and Telegram apps are where they are going now.
blainetog
This is already basically blindsiding them. There's no way they get an alternative hosting situation together fast enough to avoid downtime.
mendelde
That would open Amazon up to civil liability. They have to go by the contract and the law.
Counterfit
But this way, people were able to archive the entirety of Parler posts.
eateateatmorebacon
...so you’re saying this is an assault on free hate speech? /s
LompHoofd
hehehe
Destro24
Free to talk but never free of the consequences.
Inarticulated
RunsNakedThroughSwamps
That hate speech was never free; they had to pay for hosting
HardcodedNumber
It’s sad you have to explicitly say /s
NotWhoYouMightThinkIAm
And still gets downvoted... *facepalm*
eateateatmorebacon
Yep. But there were times I thought, “there’s no way someone could think I’m serious.” *gets downvoted to oblivion*
Scaramucci
If that /s wasn't there I'd 100% think you are serious.
PinkEater
I feel your pain.
iabsolutelyfckingabhorguns
To be fair, sarcasm is always more difficult over text, and not everyone speaks English as their first language. So thank you for the "/s"
aintnothinbutahounddog28
I miss those times. When you knew ppl thought like that but they had the decency to hide it in public settings
aintnothinbutahounddog28
Make racism shameful again!!
BlueDsc
It's a fickle thing. Like, take pretty much anything on Parler for example, used to be I'd never believe those were serious.
DavidBrooker
Netflix accounts for 15% of all global internet traffic and it just runs on the back of AWS. Netflix accounts for ONE percent of AWS' 1/2
Jthechef
Approx 60% of the cloud server market is owned by AWS, Azure, and Google. With AWS holding 40% or so.
typocrite
Most time we only listen to Netflix, I've often wondered how much bandwidth could be saved by an only stream audio option. Call it Notflix.
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tzxAzrael
and it added like 50% to the total file size. obviously, difference audio and video qualities will affect this, but still...
elmesito
They could also start streaming porn and call it Nutflix
TicoGuy
I vote this option
MarkedHitman
NetTrax?
KWJester49
Like, listening to shows and movies?
Darkhydrastar
Poscasts and/or audiobooks
DomeGuy
I recall hearing an option for exavtly this.
DavidBrooker
revenues. Its hard to understate how large AWS is and the fraction of the internet it controls. Being kicked off it is huge. 2/2
StorytellingSalem
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PicassoCT
That is one of the reason, the intel cpu bugs were so monstrous. Escaping the sandbox on cpu level, could compromise a serverfarm- and aws
PicassoCT
down below, is just a titanic sever-farm with a mono-culture of Operating systems. One jumpy virus- and half the internet goes down.
PicassoCT
People underestimate, how much of a danger centralization is..
Infinias
A fraction underestimate it. 99.9% of users aren't even aware how this whole system works. They simply use it and depend unknowingly on it
attofreak
on a side note: when does everyone in the world become citizens of United States of Amazon? Jesus Christ, is Amazon a HUGE company.
Counterfit
Netflix probably still uses Akamai quite a bit.
hymenochirus
Not really - they have their own CDN which is basically shipping “Netflix in a box” to peering locations and ISPs
hymenochirus
See here - https://about.netflix.com/en/news/how-netflix-works-with-isps-around-the-globe-to-deliver-a-great-viewing-experience
Counterfit
Right, but something has to feed those. Akamai and their competitors all use each other too.
SirMora
Giving one company that much power is a bad thing
diage
Only a matter of time until people start to call for public cloud to be a utility.
SirMora
At this rate it should be, living in modern society without internet is damn near impossible
evilspock
Eh. There are viable alternatives. The problem for parler is none of the alternatives are going to tolerate their bullshit either.
Ixadias
There's at least one company out there that specifically hosts right wing sites, can't remember the name though.
talel81
Nazi Net?
fallingwater
As an ignoramus (I'm into old-style hardware, this cloud stuff is a bit too ethereal for me) what viable alternatives are there?
imcrimson
Microsoft Azure, Google Cloud, Alibaba Cloud, and IBM, and some smaller: https://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/images/normal/18819.jpeg
evilspock
... digital ocean, rack space... the list goes on.
SadToSay
In addition to all the other services listed nothing is stops them from setting up their own servers. It sucks but there isn't a monopoly.
sturmhauke
Running their own servers is far more expensive and difficult, due to both hardware and talent. I know a lot of the kind of people with /1
mike31stgt
I believe in this instance the customers of parler killed that buisness
kayakninjas
I feel like they intentionally attracted those kinds of customers. Marketing as a "Free Speech" app to people who got kicked off other sites
Iankill
Yep even before the 6th, they were known as the shitstain social media
Silnt39
Now if we can just get a business of killing the customers of parlor. State executions for treason perhaps.
DesdemonaMoor
Parler is defintely blaming the wrong people for their demise. Sucks when you bite the hand that feeds.
SecretCoconut
Should have done like that bartender in that story about not serving a Neo Nazi. Eventually they will overtake and run you out of business.
Slamtastik
not really relevant, these guys knew EXACTLY who their target audience was and what they are like.
SmokyDoggg
Well maybe if Parler had moderated, you know, how EVERY OTHER FUCKING FORM OF SOCIAL MEDIA DOES
Goggalore
Yeah or don't use a cloud service provider with a ToS guideline regarding public safety if you wanna allow discussion of violent gatherings
Goggalore
like, know the ToS of the services your app uses lol.
MakeItBackAlright
They do moderate. They just allow all the crazy shit and encourage it.
MakeItBackAlright
They do moderate. They just allow all the crazy shit and encourage it.
beartato
They did moderate. People found if you wrote anti-Trump stuff, you get banned.
BrawndoTheThirstMutilatorIsWhatPlantsCrave
can i get a source on this? would be hilarious if true
beartato
Damn, stuffs extremely hard to find now with the closure of Parler.
mendelde
Amazon justified the boot with 98 posts that should have been modded; they had warned Parler about this before.
imminentloudness
The users aren't the customers
LDSmithereens
Correct. They’re the product. Just like we are here.
RandomlyAppointedNSAAgent
Makes you wonder if it was really "accidental" that all that data was leaked, or an attack out of spite against the Qult that killed parler.
SwarthyBastard
I mean, the business model was catering to customers who were kicked off other social media.
shinagami091
It’s almost as though there’s a reason certain material is absolutely banned from being distributed on platforms. This could be why
AnimalGenetaliaAudioClues
Why didn’t Parker mod and ban people? In my eyes allowing your users to run amuck and say that stuff makes you partly responsible
TanithRosenbaum
Not doing that was their entire business model, essentially.
BigDaddysMeatWagon
Their whole business model is being mostly unmoderated. Which is a bad business model.
ReaperCDN
I hope libertarians get the parallel.
CheckMate343
They won't.
Hollowpoint357
This raises an interesting point to me. I'm not defending anyone, but from a neutral perspective - where do you draw the line on free ...
Hollowpoint357
Speech on the internet? Is it in fact the duty of the medium to determine what is hateful or detrimental or riot inducing?...
Hollowpoint357
...or is it the duty of the medium to uphold free speech as much as possible? The anonymity and potential audience really changes this...
Hollowpoint357
...concept imo, when the amendment was written it was not tailored to this scale and while general enough, this is not a foreseen...
Joblessgymshorts
The whole point of parler was launched to have an unmoderated social media platform. The terms of use users legal responsibility for content
thanexitium
Fun Fact:Just before the end they did restrict one of the crazier ones (LLinWood) and half the site went bananas accusing 1/2
thanexitium
Them of pandering to communism to try to keep the site up.
TheS4ndm4n
Yeah, that communist bezos...
ShadowbanMyAss
His full name being jeff lenin bezos
RumpBuffalo
Saying and posting racist stuff was the point of Parler.
PsakiBombs
And this is why Amazon booted them. They don't want to be involved with a company that will surely see litigation in its future. /1
PsakiBombs
This is why Craigslist removed the personals section from their site because of the risk of human trafficking was high. 2/2
omh2
Parler only disagrees with those users in retrospect, the platform was very literally made for the people getting banned elsewhere. The
omh2
real kicker is if Parler wanted to continue they absolutely could, they are backed by multiple billionaires, they could buy their own infra.
unclesporky
Imgur allows people to talk about setting up guillotines for the rich.
Kingdomonsterdeath
Yes it does. Until some one actually kills someone with a guillotine it is not a priority. However if someone was to gives details on how, 1
Kingdomonsterdeath
When, where and who it would probably be a big deal. Walking a fine line between venting frustration and murder. Memes are venting.
MeowWoof
Yes, but noticeably absent are posts saying "hey, this rich guy is going to be at this location on this day. Let's arm ourselves, kidnap him
MeowWoof
and put him into this guillotine I built. Who's with me?" See the difference?
unclesporky
So you're ok with the platform allowing people to post things like "we should guillotine all the liberals?"
CharlieWoolf
There’s a big difference difference between “we should do this” and “on this day at this time we will meet in this place and do this thing”.
CharlieWoolf
One is abstract with no intent and the other is a specific threat.
unclesporky
So you're ok with the platform allowing people to post things like "we should guillotine all the liberals?"
textilelover
Unless they start getting specific and credible with their threats, yes. "We should guillotine the XYZ" isn't even a threat. It's an opinion
CharlieWoolf
Sure, as long as it’s not “we should meet In at the Bastille on July 14th with a guillotine and put liberals in it”. or as long as when /?
Beelseboooob
Because their entire business model is "we allow free speech" (read, we allow shit stains to say shit stainy things).
carrot1sie
So basically like 4chan?
Beelseboooob
Bingo.
H4K1R4
4chan has a mod team... These are people /b banned...
qixx23
Imgurs not far off. Used to be kittens and memes. Now it all angry politics. And any disagreement gets suspended or banned.
beartato
Thats cause Imgur for a while was reddits photoboard, and so users of reddit would post on imgur. They all left.
FlaccidHamster
Imgur can get quite intolerant. There has been plenty of posts here about just straight up killing repubs. I do like kittens though
lockeyches
Funny. You've been "disagreeing" for a long time here, and still haven't got banned. You prove your own lie.
qixx23
Been suspended repeatedly. Once for saying the word "no". Lol
ILovedUnicornsFirst
I actually think they were given that option to remain functional and they turned it down. So, adios amigos.
ILovedUnicornsFirst
I can’t remember where I read that though so don’t take that as gospel or anything. But IIRC, that’s what happened.
UsernameMayBeSubjectToChange
When your USP is 'anything goes', moderation is not on the cards
ILovedUnicornsFirst
Very true.
RFOS
Yeah, you're right. There wouldn't have been an issue if they'd of banned them like other platforms. That's why everyone else is still up.
RFOS
But like @ThisUsernameIsRegisteredToMe said, if they did ban people they wouldn't have a user base left, so it was a lose/lose situation.
AnimalGenetaliaAudioClues
I do recall hearing apple giving them that option in order to remain on their App Store but I don’t have a source for it either.
Christx30
Yep. Apple gave them 24 hours to come up with a moderation plan, to keep shit stains off the site. They said no.
Fairemont
I think it went like this: moderate or be gone. Okay. They moderated a big agitator. Everyone freaked. They closed down.
BillBarian
What’s the fastest land animal?
Gibenitural
Charlie Kirk
PacMan4Life
Running it's the cheetah, but airborne it's the peregrine falcon. Most people will say the peregrine falcon because cheetahs never prosper
IHateCakeDays
Cheetah can do 70mph, an ass with Ferrari goes 200mph
justonemorepicturepls
A cat strapped to a spaceshuttle
4EVAGUNNER
I like your style !
VarlenSantongkum
MAGA terrorist when it’s turning into antifa member.
MarkSengenberger
The cheetah. Next?
DarkHollowDulcimers
BishopBB
A toddler with something in its mouth
WellAckchually
Yo momma at the opening of a new buffet
krowonod
Trump on his way to Russia after being indicted for treason.
patrickshelton5614
Cheetah
Kbantar
Human. Hey, if they count certain birds because of how fast they can dive, then we can count humans for driving really fast. ;)
schempp37
Maximum speed or sustained?
Gallia
"Fastest" doesn't require taking sustainability into account. So clearly the answer is "any animal shot out of a cannon-like-device"
iamamentat
You made me lol.
BlondieSayWhat
Frozen chicken
Bunhyung
Smooth bore or rifled barrel?
Gallia
Smooth as a babys bottom
schempp37
But does have to be ground based so shot out of a cannon at the ground with an angle that it mostly stays on said ground...
YouNotUs
Rocketsled?
Beersapper
Why are we shooting animals out of cannons?
secondst
To sink the other ship
crankyoldgeezer
Because this is America?
trekkiedane
Because hitting them with tennis-rackets is frowned upon.
WhichIsIt
To see how fast they can go
purdhapley