I think it should be 1933 Germany and 1789 France. 1939 Germany is when WW II started, but 1933 is when H became Chancellor and the start of the Third Reich.
The Storming of the Bastille was, in fact, not the real starting point of the French revolution. They just set this as a symbolic starting point. Much more important, heavy and relevant to all topics was the Womans March on Versailles. They just edited history bc women cannot be the relevant ppl, it must be men. Or do you know Olympe de Gouges? She was the one (woman!) to critique "human rights are womens rights too", they guillotined her for this "radical leftist" view. And Marie Antoinette>>
>>never said the sentence with the bread and the cake. We just tell it bc its part of patriarchal cultures to talk bad about women (or why else, huh?). Also, she was forced to marry Luis XIV when she was 14. Yeah, they beheaded her too, because she tried doing things like everyone else.
Nice idea, but no, they won't. They'll just do what this woman is doing: holding signs. And they can't do anything else, because they'd be gunned down if they tried. The current America is just a deluded version of Russia.
Seriously, historically, the only way to avoid violent revolutions were citizenry-friendly reforms. Once a government pushed the citizenry past a breaking point it was onlly a matter of time until it got violently overthrown - or at least until a civil war broke out
I've been saying this for months. A national general strike is the only power the people have left to really get the Oligarchs attention. Every time I do people bitch about not enough people being able to stop working for long enough. They seem to think it has to be a surprise that is sprung on them but it doesn't, all it takes is for enough people to plan ahead and be able to offer support to those who need it. Sometimes just the threat of it coming during planning is enough. But it has to >
>be followed through on and implemented for as long as it takes. Everyone has to do something that will be very uncomfortable and support one another. Independent restaurants and grocery stores offering free meals and goods to strikers in solidarity, anyone who can provide rides for people to get to required appointments (medical or legal), things like that. It's really hard to convey how seriously these rich fucks treat monetary loss. It's more important to them than people and they will cave.
How do you "plan ahead" for six months of not being able to pay rent, not being able to buy food, etc? If you can, you're probably well-off enough that you consider ICE to be doing the right thing.
And here we see exactly the issue I'm talking about. You rely on others who ARE in a better position to help you pay rent and help you survive. Everyone pools the resources and organizes ways to distribute them to everyone who needs them. Repeat after me: I AM NOT ALONE AND I DON'T HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING MYSELF. ASKING FOR HELP ISN'T WEAKNESS AND IT ISN'T SOMETHING TO BE ASHAMED OF. Do you get it yet?
The word you're looking for is "can't". Apathy and laziness are not the reasons most people don't vote. A couple of million people are legally barred from voting. Tens of millions more are suppressed or disenfranchised through a variety of methods - removal of polling locations, laws that have been put in place making TONS of ways of helping people get out and vote illegal, and simple poverty. Choosing between rent and voting is something people are forced to do *every* election here.
A bit aggressive but I agree with you. The US has co-opted the name "America" and as far as I'm concerned they can have it because they've tainted it so bad no one should want to associate with it anyway. Identifying as part of a continent is useless as well, there's no need to attach ourselves to America in any way. If designating what country we are in isn't good enough North America or South America is perfectly fine. I wil never and likely never will ever say I'm "American".
No, the entire world thinks they are America, not just the US. Go anywhere in the world and ask anyone where Americans live and they will point at the US.
I know this rubs South Americans the wrong way for some reason because they do seem to like referring to themselves as "American" for some reason but I really think they should let go of it and come to terms with the fact that the US has forever damaged that name for anyone wanting to use it. Especially since the US's actions in Venezuela.
It's just facts, I didn't mean to be aggressive but for anyone born in America, like me, listening to people call a whole continent as a country... It's peak imperialism.
Bitch please you ain't France. You have been eating shit for decades. France would have burned down several buildings by now. Be fucking humble, your inflated egos is what got you in this mess in the first place.
Fucking thank you. Anytime someone starts actually doing something, everyone is quick to shut them down along with the Democrats. Time to wake the fuck up people.
Yo, go fuck absolutely every inch of yourself. People ARE fighting, and yet all we hear is you fucking mouth breathers calling us all worthless. Fuck you.
All you outlanders who live in different countries are cordially invited to shut the fuck up, the same as you'd tell us to do if we had this kind of commentary to offer about the things going on where you live.
Problem is, Macron and other European leaders are just as eager to eat shit. Everyone is so eager to placate him instead of showing resistance because they need US $$$. France is so dependent on the US, it is basically a colony now.
I'm from Mexico. Not sure where you're from, but Europe just enables the US because they want their money to run Israel and stop the Russians. France, Britain, Spain: they all bend the knee because they need the $$$ and the bombs the US provides. The EU could've ended Ukraine and Palestine 2 years ago but they don't want to grow a backbone and oppose the US.
I think Macron's successes in Africa, Ukraine, and Israel speak for themselves. His words amount to a hollow press release that have no impact on the world.
absolutely. The sad truth is that a majority of people don't see the writing on the wall. The time to act is now or they will keep going further and further.
Yeah, I do think you're right as well. The Americans are just going to take it. Wonder what those staunch 2A'ers think about these events, being literally what the amendment was made to prevent.
Are you French? Because as a French, that was exactly what I was thinking ahah! The gasolin was slightly higher a couple of years ago, and farmers and workers covered all the bigger city halls with shit, and blocked roads and roundabouts for months and you guys are still quietly protesting when citizens are getting shot and kidnapped in broad daylight. But the problem is not egos, it's organisation. You guys need to unionize, like right now. That's the solution
Mainly because a Frenchman can trust that if he is in the right he will have other Frenchmen standing up right behind him. Americans don't have that level of trust in one another. The class war has been extremely effective and has broken their spirit.
100% this. The power of the people rests in their solidarity and support of one another. That is very antithetical to the American ideology if independence. Way too many Americans think they do everything on their own and have been conditioned to believe those around them who they don't know are out to undermine them at any opportunity. This is why the class war started long ago has been so effective in keeping rich people rich. Americans don't believe in one another and it's sad to see.
It's too late for unions, sadly, we've made the laws and the rules so in favor of the corpos and the union busters that my colleagues get scared when I bring up unionizing at after hours events. It can ruin your life to even talk about the idea.
The class war has been extremely effective at breaking Americans trust in one another. Way too many have been conditioned to believe they are all on their own with no support. And when offered help they get skeptical about what's in it for the person offering help. American independence and ego are an illness that is very difficult to cure.
Americans have no tradition of resistance. It's more than protesting on the street. It's, like you said, organisation and unionizing. Burning barricades against ICE and a general strike, the time of talking is over.
They have forgotten ( or probably weren't taught ) that the US history is filled to the brim with workers strikes and social protests involving hundreds of thousands of people. They absolutely have a tradition of resistance and it was tamed with decades of propaganda.
I'm in a deeply red state (MAYBE one county will vote blue, the most populated, ovbiously) they taught us in school, and I remember my teacher pushing this SO HARD despite being in a teacher's union, that the unions always took things too far and made life harder for everybody.
This right here. I'm an American, and even I can tell the fighting spirit has been almost quashed by the the constant propaganda. It's like we have been in a highly toxic relationship who over time has almost completely tamed us with apathy and shame. But the thing is, the spirit isn't gone, it's sleeping dormant and has to be freed from it's bindings of paranoid distraction and self loathing. It's like my country is in a adhd driven depression spiral
HEARTS0FSPACE
Not when all you're doing is holding signs...
kurvarVillain
NZSheeps
battousai124
When? I do not see anything resembling the ruling class being dragged into the street to be beheaded...
ugglorimossen
I am still waiting for the national march towards Washington DC. It’s very comfortable for the maga admin to see this on the news. Bring it to them…
Bundalicious
Hahahahahaha. Not unless the children.lead the resistance, the adults aren't doing shit.
Pwnzistor
I don't think many people could stomach a revolution. Stability is a hell of a drug.
SiameseDream
I think it should be 1933 Germany and 1789 France. 1939 Germany is when WW II started, but 1933 is when H became Chancellor and the start of the Third Reich.
AgamemnonsMemes
I'll believe it when i see it
tolgabrotha
I'd rather they get 1917 Russia, or 1962 Cuba.
KittyKlimt6
The Storming of the Bastille was, in fact, not the real starting point of the French revolution. They just set this as a symbolic starting point. Much more important, heavy and relevant to all topics was the Womans March on Versailles. They just edited history bc women cannot be the relevant ppl, it must be men. Or do you know Olympe de Gouges? She was the one (woman!) to critique "human rights are womens rights too", they guillotined her for this "radical leftist" view. And Marie Antoinette>>
KittyKlimt6
>>never said the sentence with the bread and the cake. We just tell it bc its part of patriarchal cultures to talk bad about women (or why else, huh?). Also, she was forced to marry Luis XIV when she was 14. Yeah, they beheaded her too, because she tried doing things like everyone else.
TheMeatIncident
Gonna get Les Miz up in this Hiz
SalmonTheWise
The revolution in Les Miserables, the June Rebellion, lasted a single night and didn't change anything.
unannouncedguest
Worldwide please
Starfox5
The world can only hope this will come true.
HEARTS0FSPACE
We're way too lazy and comfortable.
CylensTheDiscourse
Nice idea, but no, they won't. They'll just do what this woman is doing: holding signs. And they can't do anything else, because they'd be gunned down if they tried. The current America is just a deluded version of Russia.
SubtleOrc
CylensTheDiscourse
And that certainly hasn't been happening.
Detacheddavid
https://imgur.com/L7mc5vl
megodk
Seriously, historically, the only way to avoid violent revolutions were citizenry-friendly reforms. Once a government pushed the citizenry past a breaking point it was onlly a matter of time until it got violently overthrown - or at least until a civil war broke out
petonious
They're too stupid to read that. Even if they do they won't get it. Even if they do get it ,a day will have passed.
AllTheGoodOnesWereGone
Or 1776 American Colonies. The French Revolution was in large part inspired by the fact that the Americans had just done basically the same thing.
3nergy
Robespierre intensifies
TyrCarter
the rest of the world:
HEARTS0FSPACE
Give them a break! Holding signs and repeating catchy chants on the weekends will work eventually, right?
...right?!
TyrCarter
And posting online from the comfort of their home will make it double fast!
Questionmorality
If all illegal immigrants voluntarily self-deported with the very generous $2600 incentive, there wouldn't even need to be an ICE.
DarthGoodguy
Yeah, why wouldn’t they want to go back to the country whose economy and political landscape were utterly destroyed by conservative US policies?
Cranbananarama
There's a rather large lady who would say otherwise.
Axiomatic13
I like the illegal immigrants more than you, you fucking xenophobe.
Questionmorality
Oh no, a cultist called me a ___phobe. What ever will I do?
Axiomatic13
Tiperrachi
1970s they were still using the guillotine. Just sayin.
BuiltonSin
The most humane form of execution is still the guillotine
trsd9
the electric chair being used for as long as it did will always horrify me more.
DarthVaderDidNothingWrong
Weird fact: they last executed a person with it the year Star Wars came out
earthlingextraordinaire
NZSheeps
Remind me again how the Les Mis revolution ended....
lapinmachin
I can remind you how another revolution ended. One of many
earthlingextraordinaire
A better trajectory is possible; sans cynicism, mon copain :-)
GaldorOfNihlem
Might be time to remember what the statue of liberty symbolises
BrentonCoppick
One protest isnt enough. You need to stop what your doing for 6 months
Poppypoppoppop
Until the current administration is completely vanished*
wildpackoffamilydogs
60 per cent of Americans are living paycheck to paycheck. They have us where they want us.
StellarJay77
I've been saying this for months. A national general strike is the only power the people have left to really get the Oligarchs attention. Every time I do people bitch about not enough people being able to stop working for long enough. They seem to think it has to be a surprise that is sprung on them but it doesn't, all it takes is for enough people to plan ahead and be able to offer support to those who need it. Sometimes just the threat of it coming during planning is enough. But it has to >
StellarJay77
>be followed through on and implemented for as long as it takes. Everyone has to do something that will be very uncomfortable and support one another. Independent restaurants and grocery stores offering free meals and goods to strikers in solidarity, anyone who can provide rides for people to get to required appointments (medical or legal), things like that. It's really hard to convey how seriously these rich fucks treat monetary loss. It's more important to them than people and they will cave.
Alvatore
How do you "plan ahead" for six months of not being able to pay rent, not being able to buy food, etc? If you can, you're probably well-off enough that you consider ICE to be doing the right thing.
StellarJay77
And here we see exactly the issue I'm talking about. You rely on others who ARE in a better position to help you pay rent and help you survive. Everyone pools the resources and organizes ways to distribute them to everyone who needs them. Repeat after me: I AM NOT ALONE AND I DON'T HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING MYSELF. ASKING FOR HELP ISN'T WEAKNESS AND IT ISN'T SOMETHING TO BE ASHAMED OF. Do you get it yet?
StellarJay77
Also if a general strike is going on to fix things, how do you think the community would react to a landlord evicting someone for not paying rent?
emu314159127001
Fucking thank you.
TrueLegateDamar
Americans won't even go out and vote in their own self-interest.
akodorokku
The word you're looking for is "can't". Apathy and laziness are not the reasons most people don't vote. A couple of million people are legally barred from voting. Tens of millions more are suppressed or disenfranchised through a variety of methods - removal of polling locations, laws that have been put in place making TONS of ways of helping people get out and vote illegal, and simple poverty. Choosing between rent and voting is something people are forced to do *every* election here.
TrueLegateDamar
And yet these same people will turn to violence without being scared off by federal agencies and military?
Alvatore
There's an enormous amount of voter-suppression laws you're just casually ignoring. Good job.
Elsuave
America is a continent, not a country.
I'm American, I was born in Uruguay.
Niagaran
Fuck off, pendejo. NORTH and SOUTH America are continents. "America" is widely accepted to mean the USA.
I'm Canadian and I am not an American.
StellarJay77
A bit aggressive but I agree with you. The US has co-opted the name "America" and as far as I'm concerned they can have it because they've tainted it so bad no one should want to associate with it anyway. Identifying as part of a continent is useless as well, there's no need to attach ourselves to America in any way. If designating what country we are in isn't good enough North America or South America is perfectly fine. I wil never and likely never will ever say I'm "American".
Elsuave
It's imperial crap, they think they are America
Nope.
StellarJay77
No, the entire world thinks they are America, not just the US. Go anywhere in the world and ask anyone where Americans live and they will point at the US.
StellarJay77
I know this rubs South Americans the wrong way for some reason because they do seem to like referring to themselves as "American" for some reason but I really think they should let go of it and come to terms with the fact that the US has forever damaged that name for anyone wanting to use it. Especially since the US's actions in Venezuela.
Elsuave
It's just facts, I didn't mean to be aggressive but for anyone born in America, like me, listening to people call a whole continent as a country... It's peak imperialism.
LaronX
Bitch please you ain't France. You have been eating shit for decades. France would have burned down several buildings by now. Be fucking humble, your inflated egos is what got you in this mess in the first place.
CurbYourClassWar
Fucking thank you. Anytime someone starts actually doing something, everyone is quick to shut them down along with the Democrats. Time to wake the fuck up people.
WillCorrectInaccuraciesForFood
US definitely isn't on France's level, but it's ok to be aspirational.
PartaSTI
Who wants to be France anyway lol.
Bundalicious
Me, and I fucking hate anything french, but I hate Amerikkka more.
Smantha
Right now? Me.
vekvok
Yo, go fuck absolutely every inch of yourself. People ARE fighting, and yet all we hear is you fucking mouth breathers calling us all worthless. Fuck you.
shorey66
No ice officer has even been hurt. Your fighting is fucking pathetic
Alvatore
All you outlanders who live in different countries are cordially invited to shut the fuck up, the same as you'd tell us to do if we had this kind of commentary to offer about the things going on where you live.
vekvok
That's what they want, you absolute moron. They want to start a war.
raiker333
Problem is, Macron and other European leaders are just as eager to eat shit. Everyone is so eager to placate him instead of showing resistance because they need US $$$. France is so dependent on the US, it is basically a colony now.
CheetosOnMyFingers
Your American education is showing
raiker333
I'm from Mexico. Not sure where you're from, but Europe just enables the US because they want their money to run Israel and stop the Russians. France, Britain, Spain: they all bend the knee because they need the $$$ and the bombs the US provides. The EU could've ended Ukraine and Palestine 2 years ago but they don't want to grow a backbone and oppose the US.
shorey66
You dumb fuck.
raiker333
I think Macron's successes in Africa, Ukraine, and Israel speak for themselves. His words amount to a hollow press release that have no impact on the world.
donorkort
At least she's out there protesting. It's the people virtue signalling from their couches that are the problem.
vwzzjxv6f9101
Keyboard warriors?
LaronX
absolutely. The sad truth is that a majority of people don't see the writing on the wall. The time to act is now or they will keep going further and further.
donorkort
Yeah, I do think you're right as well. The Americans are just going to take it. Wonder what those staunch 2A'ers think about these events, being literally what the amendment was made to prevent.
Krakencrotch
Easy, they're with ICE now.
justalurkerwhodoesntcommentexceptthistime
Are you French? Because as a French, that was exactly what I was thinking ahah! The gasolin was slightly higher a couple of years ago, and farmers and workers covered all the bigger city halls with shit, and blocked roads and roundabouts for months and you guys are still quietly protesting when citizens are getting shot and kidnapped in broad daylight.
But the problem is not egos, it's organisation. You guys need to unionize, like right now. That's the solution
Grimmrog
One does not simply upset a Frenchman
StellarJay77
Mainly because a Frenchman can trust that if he is in the right he will have other Frenchmen standing up right behind him. Americans don't have that level of trust in one another. The class war has been extremely effective and has broken their spirit.
StellarJay77
100% this. The power of the people rests in their solidarity and support of one another. That is very antithetical to the American ideology if independence. Way too many Americans think they do everything on their own and have been conditioned to believe those around them who they don't know are out to undermine them at any opportunity. This is why the class war started long ago has been so effective in keeping rich people rich. Americans don't believe in one another and it's sad to see.
elbootio
It's too late for unions, sadly, we've made the laws and the rules so in favor of the corpos and the union busters that my colleagues get scared when I bring up unionizing at after hours events. It can ruin your life to even talk about the idea.
StellarJay77
The class war has been extremely effective at breaking Americans trust in one another. Way too many have been conditioned to believe they are all on their own with no support. And when offered help they get skeptical about what's in it for the person offering help. American independence and ego are an illness that is very difficult to cure.
LaronX
Nope, I'm not, but funny enough you aren't the first to ask. If it happens again I should start learning French.
elbootio
As an American, I started learning French about 6 months ago because it makes it easier for me and my family to immigrate to Canada.
justalurkerwhodoesntcommentexceptthistime
Repeat after me: mort aux fachos!
Soufange
Pronounced "mo*gutteral roll* au fashoss"?
N1hilBaxter
Americans have no tradition of resistance. It's more than protesting on the street. It's, like you said, organisation and unionizing. Burning barricades against ICE and a general strike, the time of talking is over.
LaronX
They have a tradition of the exact opposite actually. After the civil war you basically been getting propaganda to never have that happen again.
N1hilBaxter
And what they can't see now: there will be no midterms. They habe to act now, but they won't. The next 20 years will be horrible in the US.
GordonFreeman59
They have forgotten ( or probably weren't taught ) that the US history is filled to the brim with workers strikes and social protests involving hundreds of thousands of people. They absolutely have a tradition of resistance and it was tamed with decades of propaganda.
Soufange
I'm in a deeply red state (MAYBE one county will vote blue, the most populated, ovbiously) they taught us in school, and I remember my teacher pushing this SO HARD despite being in a teacher's union, that the unions always took things too far and made life harder for everybody.
syrane303
This right here. I'm an American, and even I can tell the fighting spirit has been almost quashed by the the constant propaganda. It's like we have been in a highly toxic relationship who over time has almost completely tamed us with apathy and shame. But the thing is, the spirit isn't gone, it's sleeping dormant and has to be freed from it's bindings of paranoid distraction and self loathing. It's like my country is in a adhd driven depression spiral