Randy "one time I threw a cheeto to catch it in my mouth, it missed, rooled down my warm and back into the bag". Earl, "no you didn't, and you told me that story before Randy".
*From an ants perspective* “…For our earth-grown green pillars of strength could not contend with the sheer mass of the man-made giant, dimpled sphere of doom. As such, we pray to our fallen brothers and sisters who succumbed to the crushing weight of Ant-Gods plan to let the sphere roll forth unto the white, plastic chasm of Sky-Flag”
I genuinely wish mini-golf wasn't seen as just a kids thing, the courses are smaller but far more interesting, aren't a massive waste of land and resources, and take little maintenance. An entire 18 hole course can fit in the space it takes for a single hole for normal golf.
"Don't play golf. It's a dude's game." T. Roosevelt. Horrible for the environment, waste of space that can't be used by the public, exclusive to the well off, a million better ways to do anything that a golf course could provide.
My brother is a PGA pro and used to run a few golf courses in California. We used to argue about the sheer lunacy of such wasted land and overt class warfare.
Dude in that time meant an upper-class, foppish city-slicker, especially those that like to visit rural areas as a pasttime ("dude ranches" are resort-style properties for rich people to pretend they're cowboys)
My local course is like, $9 a round and open to the public while using reclaimed water for everything. Its green and occupies a space that would otherwise be an empty lot. As with most things, there are rich people versions and average people things - i think you're mad at the rich people versions but lumping them all in.
I agree with most of that, but my kid's 18 and make like $15/hr and he can afford to play golf. Sure there are exclusive clubs but there are also a lot of low cost public courses.
I seriously doubt that kid has adult responsibilities and financial obligations. But even if he did, that would, at best, cover only 1 of the top 3 problems with the 'sport.'
Like i said, it was 1 of the things I disagreed on. No he doesn't have "adult" responsibilities, but a lot of adults can spend $20-25 for 9 holes or $40-50 for 18 and not be "rich". Golf is one of the cheaper hobbies you can have.
Why do you have to find "problems" with other people's activities in the first place? The only reason you've probably glommed onto caring about it in the first place is because of its association with rich people. Just let people enjoy things, dude.
It is actually less expensive than hockey. What about the energy to make ice all year round. Nobody talks about that. I get out and walk 15k steps in 18 holes. Its a lot of fun
Less expensive for the individual? Doubtful. Hockey equipment is cheaper. For the community? Definitely not. Even if maintaining an ice rink cost what maintaining a golf course does (it doesn't, not even close), the ice rink can be used by multiple sports, hundreds of community members, and can accommodate many thousands of viewers if it's spectator venue.
You must not have a child in youth hockey. It is waaaaay more expensive than golf. Like. Not even close. Example. Locally fees just to enter are $800 for hockey vs $260 for golf (mid course not the cheapest one). Equipment is more expensive than clubs. Travel fees, practice fees, tourney fees, etc etc etc. It is very common for the entire city (public service) to use 40% of their energy on just rinks. You can look all this up.
as a parent with kids who were in multiple club sports, playing recreational golf occasionally for a year is cheaper than a weekend at one tournament XD
Yeah I don't really get this. I paid 20 bucks for my clubs off of craigslist and our local golf course is like 30 bucks for 18 holes. So we get out in the sun with the guys and we are all terrible at it but we spend time together for about 4 hours and there's another group of four coming through every 10 minutes. On most days that's over 250 people a day.
The billionaire that bought my favorite golf course growing up and uses it personally is stupid, but otherwise I don't get the hate.
Golf is a perfectly fine sport...in environments that can sustain it. It should be kept very far away from deserts and such. But no problem with the golf courses in places like Scotland, or the Netherlands.
It's actually quite affordable to play. Golf clubs are like watches, the cheaper ones get the job done, the more expensive ones are just there to try and impress others.
It depends on the location. In countries where water scarcity is a non problem like England, the impact is minimal while in the majority of Spain and other dry countries it's a complete nonsense.
They consume a shit ton of fuel. The one I worked at burned as much gas and diesel as about 20 large SUVs every week and that doesn't count the natural gas burnt for the pump motors. This is also in small motors with practically no emissions controls, and it would be higher in places with gas powered carts. Then there is the herbicide, fungicide, pesticide, and fertilizer run off. Oh and the damage to pollinator ecosystems.
The first time I visited Phoenix, Arizona I saw a billboard encouraging people to conserve water by taking shorter showers... posted just above a lush, perfectly-manicured golf course. Hmm.
Most gold courses, especially those in Arizona, use reclaimed water. The courses also pay for the reclaimed water distribution system in Arizona. Also, in wet months when they don't need reclaimed water the distribution system further treats the water to return it to the aquifers. It is considered a green/sustainable project.
That sounds great! Is that all done under any sort of regulatory supervision or are we just kinda trusting them to do what they say they're doing? I'm hoping the former.
Just for fairness sake, many golf courses are located in places with an abundance of rain. I think the argument is still valid in places with a 20 year mega drought but not necessarily in more lush areas.
Californian here, that's horseshit. Granted, farming is by far the biggest waster of water in this state (mostly growing crops that need too much water in places they shouldn't be growing) but there is no way you're convincing me that Palm Desert just naturally gets lush like that. Even during the superbloom it wasn't a fucking golf course.
Do you have any sources for that? I’ve been searching for a bit now and can’t find anything related to this. I did find that a typical 150-acre golf course uses approximately 200 million gallons of water a year. :/
https://www.fluencecorp.com/golf-course-water-use/ also https://www.usga.org/content/dam/us">se/">https://www.fluencecorp.com/golf-course-water-use/ also https://www.usga.org/content/dam/usga/pdf/Water%20Resource%20Center/how-much-water-does-golf-use.pdf
As a Michigander, this argument is so bizarre to me. Golf is a cheap sport that's played by working class folks as much as rich folks and it isn't environmentally harmful here because we have an environment that naturally produces grass without the need for chemicals or excessive watering.
its fine in moderation. the problem is that some areas, the green areas are inundated with golf courses. its kinda bullshit when every park in the area is smaller than a grocery store, yet you have 3+ golf courses all within 5 minutes of eachother.
So much bullshit. You can't have just any type of grass on a golf course. And working class my ass. It doesn't even matter if it doesn't require as much maintenance, it's still nothing like natural fields or forest, or putting environment aside, not even a public park that can be accessed and enjoyed by anyone.
Many golf courses you can play for under $20. You find people from all types of socio-economic backgrounds on golf courses. Also, you can have a wide variety of grasses on golf courses.
You can play in tennis shoes, you can get balls for pennies, you odn't have to pay for lessons and especially not to get approved, and green fees can be as low as $10...
As a non Michagander, your mentioning that's where you're from is so bizarre to everybody. Because you haven't taken the time to look at why your argument is full of inaccuracies and falsehoods doesn't make it factual because you stated it as such. Get thee to twitter where this "reasoning" belongs.
To be fair, there's a whole lot of countries outside of the USA. In mine a basic grocery cashier has enough money to play golf. It's really a cheap way to spend your time as long as you accept that buying used clubs is a very viable option.
It really depends on where you are playing. My nearest public course charges $23 for 18 riding on the weekend. But you go a few miles north, there is a private course, $7,500 annual fee, and they charge green fees and cart fees on top of that every round you play.
Careful, I tried pointing out that as resource heavy a golf course is, it isn't as bad as a stadium or similar but gets all the hate. Got so many bad faith arguments because golf has been tainted by shitty celebs and such like the mango monkey.
Careful, because you refuse to look at the facts and actual data comparing the two and someone dared negate your alternative statement, must mean it's all bad faith commentary because folks dared disagree with you. Quick, get to FB and play victim there.
Easy there trigger. Give one or two facts on how a golf course uses more resources than a stadium over the course of a year. Otherwise, you can get to whatever social media site you want to play hysterical Karen. I'll start, courses use well or non-potable water for irrigation and uses less during a week than a stadium can during one game. Courses are built on land that stadiums cannot, like abandoned covered landfills.
Even if you put aside environmental impact, at least a stadium can be used by many thousands of people at once. Golf courses are a mind-blowing waste of space.
That would be a subjective opinion on the waste of space. With the several hundred shows and games I've been to at stadiums and probably as many or more visits to golf courses, I'd prefer to swing sticks. To each their own. I'd like to mention that stadiums with the parking lots and roads take up almost as much acreage but don't have homes, foliage, waterways nor wildlife.
You say it isn't as resource heavy as a stadium, I'm curious if you were comparing a single course to a single stadium? Because yeah a stadium is pretty bad but there is approximately 3500 square miles of golf course in the US, which is roughly the entire land area of Puerto Rico. I don't know which of those groups (all golf courses vs all stadiums) is more damaging to the environment though.
From what I remember, it worked out to the average of 10-15 courses compared to a single NFL stadium for water usage. Wide variety of courses and their location skews averages to all hell. Where you got that square mileage figure, can you get estimates of land for stadiums? I'd be curious for the numbers for pro, minor/amateur, high school and even public or city fields.
How many people get entertained by the stadiums vs the golf courses though? I think you have to look at the environmental impact per person benefitting.
Copy pasting a response to similar question: I mean, that's a point that I wouldn't dispute but the amount of resources used per year, especially water and trash produced, isn't offset by how many people are entertained.
I mean, that's a point that I wouldn't dispute but the amount of resources used per year, especially water and trash produced, isn't offset by how many people are entertained.
That's the whole point of it being a rich people sport. 20k people can go to a stadium event. Maybe 60 people can golf at the same time on a property that is 3-4x larger. For it to be profitable, it has to be expensive (in densely populated places where real estate is at a premium, at least)
Most sports don't require a stadium to play, though. A stadium is generally only necessary if you want to seat thousands of people and have all of the other amenities that a stadium provides. That'd be like conflating the cost of non-golfing sections of country clubs with the courses. A fair comparison would be a field, not the stadium. With that said, you won't see me defending the excess and waste associated with stadiums, either.
I sorta see how that can be parsed out for this subject, but all in all, my point has been as bad as golf courses are, they get proportionally more hate than other facilities or industries that are not even mentioned when it comes to eco impacts.
it's a very visually apparent impact, stadiums and the like tend to be in places that are already developed, golf courses tend to be in less developed areas, making them stick out. Golf courses also take up a TON of space for the number of players who can participate at a time, stadiums and the like are comparatively dense, not to mention stadiums can host many different kinds of events. A golf course can be golfed... and walked, theoretically.
GrammarCorrectionsOfficer
Something is either unique or it's not. There are no degrees of uniqueness.
gotigs
I knew someone who got a hole in one on a short par 4 by hitting their drive off of a telephone pole.
NotACanadian
Was Qui-Gon Jinn out there subtly shifting the golf ball back?
erinaceus
pesticides.
nosimpleway
0:11: *Sonic the Hedgehog spin dash rev noises*
16KTS
Did he have a remote control on his ball.
Logoth
« Most unique… » #cringe
JayAdan
Can we get a closer look at the crowd at this moment?
Spidey209
Fucking ghosts. What even are they?
len0k
Jbelkin
It’s not as good as the one I saw at bushwood ..
LenzKist74
jimmymcgoochie1
Meanwhile, Bugs Bunny underground with a magnet:
ErniesWidow
Casper pushed it.
ximzadix
PullShporttel
DevineEscapes
Randy "one time I threw a cheeto to catch it in my mouth, it missed, rooled down my warm and back into the bag". Earl, "no you didn't, and you told me that story before Randy".
NostrilSnowboarder
Where's the one skipping across the pond at the Masters?
miertam
What's his caddy doing with that radio controller?
BlazeMarshall
Nah, Bugs Bunny is just under the green with a cartoon magnet
LivingIsLearning
woodworkerf
Can anyone explain the physics here?
MeshHatMafia
*From an ants perspective*
“…For our earth-grown green pillars of strength could not contend with the sheer mass of the man-made giant, dimpled sphere of doom. As such, we pray to our fallen brothers and sisters who succumbed to the crushing weight of Ant-Gods plan to let the sphere roll forth unto the white, plastic chasm of Sky-Flag”
alcamar
Gravity, it rolled down the hill
Woogyface
controlling earth rotation to make the ball roll in
NorwegianSheepknuller
Nono, geez it's literally like noone has seen Space Jam... He's obviously underground with a magnet leading the ball to the hole.
CatchySensibleName
QueefMalone
How's the camera person know to hang?
kaneinencanto
Psychic.
Pheehelm
AnUnfortunateFreezeFrame
son of a..
NostrilSnowboarder
Peekari
Sir/Madam/Other. You're a cunt
KoRplussomeletters
Rayplays
HomeyJSimpson
i liked this show
igglebotato
it was more surreal than I ever expected a summertime fill-in to be
Rhinta
I would totally watch this over PGA!
mybrothersmario
I genuinely wish mini-golf wasn't seen as just a kids thing, the courses are smaller but far more interesting, aren't a massive waste of land and resources, and take little maintenance. An entire 18 hole course can fit in the space it takes for a single hole for normal golf.
behrditz
Oh man I forgot about this show and how much I loved it. I love the wacky game shows.
prof3ssor
What is this from
witalaska4
A golf park I think
Duffinn
Holey Moley with Rob Riggle!
Filanwizard
and the yellow jackets are a real callback, the old Wide World of Sports suits.
GTimgur
"Don't play golf. It's a dude's game." T. Roosevelt. Horrible for the environment, waste of space that can't be used by the public, exclusive to the well off, a million better ways to do anything that a golf course could provide.
malexmatt
So much for letting people just have fun.
Cincinasty
My brother is a PGA pro and used to run a few golf courses in California. We used to argue about the sheer lunacy of such wasted land and overt class warfare.
MyCatIsMissingAnEar
Not to mention ALL THE GODDAMN PESTICIDES
NotACanadian
Dude in that time meant an upper-class, foppish city-slicker, especially those that like to visit rural areas as a pasttime ("dude ranches" are resort-style properties for rich people to pretend they're cowboys)
GTimgur
Precisely
SmeesNotVeryGoodTwin
Hence why the cowboy in The Big Lebowski is skeptical that anyone would want to be called "the Dude."
dumbledong69
Disc golf scratches the same itch without clear cutting the land or using all of the water in the county and it’s usually free to play.
lljkstonefish
Green fees are like ten bucks here. Let people have their fucking fun.
GoToTheZoo
My local course is like, $9 a round and open to the public while using reclaimed water for everything. Its green and occupies a space that would otherwise be an empty lot. As with most things, there are rich people versions and average people things - i think you're mad at the rich people versions but lumping them all in.
StewedTomaters
IIRC Trump hates those - golf should be an "aspirational" game and once the Tiger effect subsides, the industry is going to collapse /s
n0n53n53
I agree with most of that, but my kid's 18 and make like $15/hr and he can afford to play golf. Sure there are exclusive clubs but there are also a lot of low cost public courses.
MantisTobagganMD
Yes, but Muffy and I wouldn't be caught dead in one of those places, would we Muffy?
n0n53n53
Muffy and Chet play at the private clubs so they won't have to associate with the poors
Heavenissize17socks
Putter golfing is also cool, and a great first date.
GTimgur
I seriously doubt that kid has adult responsibilities and financial obligations. But even if he did, that would, at best, cover only 1 of the top 3 problems with the 'sport.'
n0n53n53
Like i said, it was 1 of the things I disagreed on. No he doesn't have "adult" responsibilities, but a lot of adults can spend $20-25 for 9 holes or $40-50 for 18 and not be "rich". Golf is one of the cheaper hobbies you can have.
warriorofdiscord
Why do you have to find "problems" with other people's activities in the first place? The only reason you've probably glommed onto caring about it in the first place is because of its association with rich people. Just let people enjoy things, dude.
malexmatt
Because being judgy and controlling is a human impulse, not something just limited to one group of people. Everyone 1/
malexmatt
wants to do it, even the people who like to pretend they're all about letting people be themselves. 2/2
raftus
It is actually less expensive than hockey. What about the energy to make ice all year round. Nobody talks about that. I get out and walk 15k steps in 18 holes. Its a lot of fun
GTimgur
Less expensive for the individual? Doubtful. Hockey equipment is cheaper. For the community? Definitely not. Even if maintaining an ice rink cost what maintaining a golf course does (it doesn't, not even close), the ice rink can be used by multiple sports, hundreds of community members, and can accommodate many thousands of viewers if it's spectator venue.
raftus
You must not have a child in youth hockey. It is waaaaay more expensive than golf. Like. Not even close. Example. Locally fees just to enter are $800 for hockey vs $260 for golf (mid course not the cheapest one). Equipment is more expensive than clubs. Travel fees, practice fees, tourney fees, etc etc etc. It is very common for the entire city (public service) to use 40% of their energy on just rinks. You can look all this up.
n0n53n53
as a parent with kids who were in multiple club sports, playing recreational golf occasionally for a year is cheaper than a weekend at one tournament XD
DexPumpkinGod
*laughs in ski racing*
rebelft
Another rich people entertainment that is ruining environment
YouRadicalizedMe
Indeed. Stop All golf!
hobbitdoc
Yeah I don't really get this. I paid 20 bucks for my clubs off of craigslist and our local golf course is like 30 bucks for 18 holes. So we get out in the sun with the guys and we are all terrible at it but we spend time together for about 4 hours and there's another group of four coming through every 10 minutes. On most days that's over 250 people a day.
The billionaire that bought my favorite golf course growing up and uses it personally is stupid, but otherwise I don't get the hate.
Morganelefay
Golf is a perfectly fine sport...in environments that can sustain it. It should be kept very far away from deserts and such. But no problem with the golf courses in places like Scotland, or the Netherlands.
ShrokNil
Another person uselessly whining to no affect ruining the internet.
OmnesMundiLardum
It's actually quite affordable to play. Golf clubs are like watches, the cheaper ones get the job done, the more expensive ones are just there to try and impress others.
whoatherebigfella
How’s it ruining the environment? It’s like the lamest thing that exists
Ctidz
What does being lame have to do with environment?
Zamerine
It depends on the location. In countries where water scarcity is a non problem like England, the impact is minimal while in the majority of Spain and other dry countries it's a complete nonsense.
CakeShapedPie
They consume a shit ton of fuel. The one I worked at burned as much gas and diesel as about 20 large SUVs every week and that doesn't count the natural gas burnt for the pump motors. This is also in small motors with practically no emissions controls, and it would be higher in places with gas powered carts. Then there is the herbicide, fungicide, pesticide, and fertilizer run off. Oh and the damage to pollinator ecosystems.
Flodos
Golf courses are extremely water hungry, drawing as much water yearly as entire neighbourhoods just for their oversized lawns.
thelastmelt
And they’re a monoculture type thing (I’m no horticulturist) which is shitty for birds and insects and shit.
Edgekrsher
Not to mention they mow them like every single day. Giant waste of resources
nosimpleway
The first time I visited Phoenix, Arizona I saw a billboard encouraging people to conserve water by taking shorter showers... posted just above a lush, perfectly-manicured golf course. Hmm.
smashpro1
Why not use astroturf?
ImpliedConsent
Most gold courses, especially those in Arizona, use reclaimed water. The courses also pay for the reclaimed water distribution system in Arizona. Also, in wet months when they don't need reclaimed water the distribution system further treats the water to return it to the aquifers. It is considered a green/sustainable project.
Leithoa
Still a fabulous waste of water & other resources.
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
Imagine if the project was just funded through taxing the rich instead!
LoudBirb
That sounds great! Is that all done under any sort of regulatory supervision or are we just kinda trusting them to do what they say they're doing? I'm hoping the former.
ImpliedConsent
The system itself is government run, the courses fund it.
LoudBirb
That's fantastic and should be bog standard regulation for all golf courses, frankly.
neffstradamus
Just for fairness sake, many golf courses are located in places with an abundance of rain. I think the argument is still valid in places with a 20 year mega drought but not necessarily in more lush areas.
PloppyFenis
Courses around here in MI use the water captured during the seasons in retention ponds that are filled naturally
triggrhaapi
Californian here, that's horseshit. Granted, farming is by far the biggest waster of water in this state (mostly growing crops that need too much water in places they shouldn't be growing) but there is no way you're convincing me that Palm Desert just naturally gets lush like that. Even during the superbloom it wasn't a fucking golf course.
GemsAreOutrageousTrulyTrulyTrulyOutrageous
Fellow Californian here, it sure as shit ain't rainy up in Sacramento and yet we have a number of golf courses in the region.
SuicidalBallsack
Do you have any sources for that? I’ve been searching for a bit now and can’t find anything related to this. I did find that a typical 150-acre golf course uses approximately 200 million gallons of water a year. :/
SuicidalBallsack
https://www.fluencecorp.com/golf-course-water-use/ also https://www.usga.org/content/dam/us">se/">https://www.fluencecorp.com/golf-course-water-use/ also https://www.usga.org/content/dam/usga/pdf/Water%20Resource%20Center/how-much-water-does-golf-use.pdf
SomeDetroitGuy
As a Michigander, this argument is so bizarre to me. Golf is a cheap sport that's played by working class folks as much as rich folks and it isn't environmentally harmful here because we have an environment that naturally produces grass without the need for chemicals or excessive watering.
minipancho94
its fine in moderation. the problem is that some areas, the green areas are inundated with golf courses. its kinda bullshit when every park in the area is smaller than a grocery store, yet you have 3+ golf courses all within 5 minutes of eachother.
spinbutton3
You don't think they use herbicides?
2graves
Golf is certainly not cheap by any measure
GTimgur
So much bullshit. You can't have just any type of grass on a golf course. And working class my ass. It doesn't even matter if it doesn't require as much maintenance, it's still nothing like natural fields or forest, or putting environment aside, not even a public park that can be accessed and enjoyed by anyone.
ImpliedConsent
Many golf courses you can play for under $20. You find people from all types of socio-economic backgrounds on golf courses. Also, you can have a wide variety of grasses on golf courses.
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ImpliedConsent
You can play in tennis shoes, you can get balls for pennies, you odn't have to pay for lessons and especially not to get approved, and green fees can be as low as $10...
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ImpliedConsent
You can go to second hand stores or thrift shops or online marketplaces and get sets for <$100.
Vident99
You don’t need to have a full set to play. Granted, I’ve only played ao called par 3 courses, but my five clubs cost around 100 euros in total.
herejusttopointouterrors
As a non Michagander, your mentioning that's where you're from is so bizarre to everybody. Because you haven't taken the time to look at why your argument is full of inaccuracies and falsehoods doesn't make it factual because you stated it as such. Get thee to twitter where this "reasoning" belongs.
IAmNotNSAsodonotbeparanoid
Define "cheap sport" and "working class". Minimum wage folks are working class or are they just working poor.
iMuuli
To be fair, there's a whole lot of countries outside of the USA. In mine a basic grocery cashier has enough money to play golf. It's really a cheap way to spend your time as long as you accept that buying used clubs is a very viable option.
Eroen0
There aren't that many countries in Michigan though.
ImOldGregIveGotAMangina
It really depends on where you are playing. My nearest public course charges $23 for 18 riding on the weekend. But you go a few miles north, there is a private course, $7,500 annual fee, and they charge green fees and cart fees on top of that every round you play.
Vidikron
Careful, I tried pointing out that as resource heavy a golf course is, it isn't as bad as a stadium or similar but gets all the hate. Got so many bad faith arguments because golf has been tainted by shitty celebs and such like the mango monkey.
herejusttopointouterrors
Careful, because you refuse to look at the facts and actual data comparing the two and someone dared negate your alternative statement, must mean it's all bad faith commentary because folks dared disagree with you. Quick, get to FB and play victim there.
Vidikron
Easy there trigger. Give one or two facts on how a golf course uses more resources than a stadium over the course of a year. Otherwise, you can get to whatever social media site you want to play hysterical Karen. I'll start, courses use well or non-potable water for irrigation and uses less during a week than a stadium can during one game. Courses are built on land that stadiums cannot, like abandoned covered landfills.
MeatPopsicleMultiPass
Get rid of them all, then. I'd rather have lush forests than see some shitty sport.
Tigersterne
And this is why I'm a singer. Don't have to pay for your instrument. It's even cheaper than basketball.
GTimgur
Even if you put aside environmental impact, at least a stadium can be used by many thousands of people at once. Golf courses are a mind-blowing waste of space.
Vidikron
That would be a subjective opinion on the waste of space. With the several hundred shows and games I've been to at stadiums and probably as many or more visits to golf courses, I'd prefer to swing sticks. To each their own. I'd like to mention that stadiums with the parking lots and roads take up almost as much acreage but don't have homes, foliage, waterways nor wildlife.
Badprenup
You say it isn't as resource heavy as a stadium, I'm curious if you were comparing a single course to a single stadium? Because yeah a stadium is pretty bad but there is approximately 3500 square miles of golf course in the US, which is roughly the entire land area of Puerto Rico. I don't know which of those groups (all golf courses vs all stadiums) is more damaging to the environment though.
Vidikron
From what I remember, it worked out to the average of 10-15 courses compared to a single NFL stadium for water usage. Wide variety of courses and their location skews averages to all hell. Where you got that square mileage figure, can you get estimates of land for stadiums? I'd be curious for the numbers for pro, minor/amateur, high school and even public or city fields.
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
How many people get entertained by the stadiums vs the golf courses though? I think you have to look at the environmental impact per person benefitting.
Vidikron
Copy pasting a response to similar question: I mean, that's a point that I wouldn't dispute but the amount of resources used per year, especially water and trash produced, isn't offset by how many people are entertained.
Vidikron
Also, not sure who the downvote fairy is. Not me and I took your comment as just a curious question.
Zamerine
Good faith argument:
You should divide the resources used by the amount of people using the finished product.
I'm quite sure the stadium will be hella lot less resource heavy with that kind of math and it's far more logical compared to your way of doing it.
Vidikron
I mean, that's a point that I wouldn't dispute but the amount of resources used per year, especially water and trash produced, isn't offset by how many people are entertained.
billstranger
That's the whole point of it being a rich people sport. 20k people can go to a stadium event. Maybe 60 people can golf at the same time on a property that is 3-4x larger. For it to be profitable, it has to be expensive (in densely populated places where real estate is at a premium, at least)
Rayxzerox
Most sports don't require a stadium to play, though. A stadium is generally only necessary if you want to seat thousands of people and have all of the other amenities that a stadium provides. That'd be like conflating the cost of non-golfing sections of country clubs with the courses. A fair comparison would be a field, not the stadium. With that said, you won't see me defending the excess and waste associated with stadiums, either.
Vidikron
I sorta see how that can be parsed out for this subject, but all in all, my point has been as bad as golf courses are, they get proportionally more hate than other facilities or industries that are not even mentioned when it comes to eco impacts.
Rayxzerox
also, one of the great comedians of all time, George Carlin, railed on golfing as a whole quite a bit. "Like watching flies fuck."
Rayxzerox
it's a very visually apparent impact, stadiums and the like tend to be in places that are already developed, golf courses tend to be in less developed areas, making them stick out. Golf courses also take up a TON of space for the number of players who can participate at a time, stadiums and the like are comparatively dense, not to mention stadiums can host many different kinds of events. A golf course can be golfed... and walked, theoretically.