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Original article: https://hotair.com/archives/2017/12/09/chicago-judge-gives-woman-charged-facebook-live-hate-crime-shocking-sentence/
As a side note, the thing the original tweeter is talking about a study showing that men get 63% longer sentences for the same types of crimes, and women have half the conviction rate:
http://www.law.umich.edu/newsandinfo/features/Pages/starr_gender_disparities.aspx
MiasmaCorrigan
I fell like I've seen this story before. Isn't it a few years old? Still terrible.
IAmGodot
If half this article is just copy/paste from the Chicago Tribune, why not just link the Chicago Tribune and skip the middle man?
mev0341
you would have to see the co defendent sentences before making this a sexist issue wouldnt you?
DamnedAustin
But that would mean not getting outraged before having the facts. What kind of world would THAT be?
miatagangordie
Last time I checked they dropped the hate crime charge for a kidnapping, which is a much more serious charge
LoudBirb
Judges handing out these offensively light sentences to women are mostly men, but people still insist toxic masculinity isn't a problem.
Kitastrophe
Not saying it's right, but from the stipulations of her probation, it sounds like the judge thought she was under the influence of the other
Kitastrophe
two, maybe the judge saw a dumb kid who felt she couldn't say no and the others will be sentenced more harshly? Maybe that's the logic?
NorthernPuffer
She either gave up others in her gang and got a plea bargain from the prosecution or this is the worst judge ever.
HiddenSanity
Wasn't she also the one who 'just' filmed it rather than active participant?
guerrero817
But the girl that killed the man who "purchaesd her" and raped her gets life? How?
shoyer
This will be lost way down but I honestly think it's refreshing to see the US consider something other than ridiculously long jail sentences
TheJazzGhost
I think there may be more to this story than what this we can understand from reading a single editorial. Just saying.
whisperio
Amurican prison system! I believe "...you wouldn't come out any better" is pretty critical for understanding this sentence.
dogestyle
This comment deserves more consideration
Arjonabear
I get the rationale but only 4 years of probation? That is nothing. At least give her some community service. I don't see this working.
WantToBuyAButt4
she has to do 200 hours of community service but she should also have life in prison fuck these 4 shits
PenisShapedPoops
Four years of probation and one already served year of sentencing, plus the trouble if ever getting a real job again.
yaboyraya
Well at least she can’t use social media for 4 years. That makes up for it right?
Begotten
That's literally like torture
Traja01
She was also in jail for 11 months. It's not enough, but people seem to forget that.
neverendingsearchforlife
She need 2 year minimum then bail available, she need learn consequences from actions like all of them... wtf
Eranju
11 months and 200 hours service IS a consequence. Being banned from social media in this age though is... interesting
Theman098
It's bait. Stupid kid will be on FB within the month talking shit about becky from work, then it's off to the clink.
AlkeneThiol
Zactly
spookyS
What's the point? Why be lenient then make a bait like that
IamfunatpartiesIknow
To give her a chance to stay out of prison
Whosthere
Because she turned and is now a witness against the other ones in the video. No chance she stays off social media either
TheAssassinArtemisEntreri
If the point of punishment is to recuperate and not the antiquated eye for an eye, I think a year in prison and years of community 1/2
TheAssassinArtemisEntreri
service, no social media and can't contact those guy seems like something that has a chance of working. Otherwise probation will lock her up
DamnedAustin
Not to mention giving her a prison sentence @ this point all but guarantees she becomes a lifelong criminal. If we can avoid that, we should
basicwhitelich
Shit man, I got 200 hrs community service for breaking into my hs and drawing dicks on the gym floor with chalk spray. I hope she blows it.
Bennings
Well done, you've managed to make this awful incident all about how bad YOU have it.
ChainmailleAddict
He was contrasting how much time he got for a much lesser crime - not everything is self-absorbed
Bennings
...fair enough.
dogestyle
you monster
iamthisguy247
The past few years have shown some horribly light sentences by judges. Maybe no one person should have this choice alone.
Traja01
Mandatory minimum sentences were an attempt at that. They worked out horribly.
dazedNconfuzed
Judges can be impeached. Do it.
PenisShapedPoops
Maybe we're finally moving away from the horrible "tough on crime" rhetoric that does nothing but decrease civil liberties?
somenerandom
While I would generally agree with you this specific case seems like a poor place to make that point.
PenisShapedPoops
Do we have any indication that this is out of character for the judge and some place he just "made a point"? I don't know know his stuff.
somenerandom
I was referring to you making the point in your comment, not the judge. I'm not familiar with the judge either.
PenisShapedPoops
Oh, well then I respectfully disagree. The whole tough on crime thing is pandering to emotional instincts and this is an emotionally
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
That's based on research that tougher sentences don't stop people from commiting crimes. And sending someone to jail makes it harder for /1
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
them to have a normal life after, leaving fewer legal options open to them. /2
T3n3br1s
The question is: do you WANT someone to ever be a part of society again? In this case thatd be a clear no for me
amk1031
If she turned evidence on the other 3, then i am okay with this sentence. If not then it's super messed up.
WantToBuyAButt4
it was live on Facebook and you can find the video anywhere she should have jail time and rot there
CKnowles
What evidence? They BROADCASTED it!
amk1031
Were their faces shown? did they say their names? She can provide irrefutable proof of identity. She can also detail who did what.
amk1031
Rereading my reply, i feel like it contains too much emotion. Read it in cynical monotone. That's how i meant it.
annibe11e
There are plenty of details she can offer outside of the video, like premeditation.
Savethedramaforyourllama
Another failure of our judicial system.
Zigor22
Imagine if the races and genders were reversed. Those things shouldn't matter to lady justice, for she is blind.
DeviousLuxray
Considering they let a dude who attacked a two year old on a stream off, this does not surprise me sadly.
lawnsprinkler
Got any context for that to share?
DeviousLuxray
https://www.google.com/amp/www.nydailynews.com/amp/news/crime/iowa-teen-pleaded-guilty-molesting-baby-spared-prison-time-article-1.2792416
DamnedAustin
It's too early to tell if it's a failure of our judicial system. If she rehabilitates during her probation, then it's not a failure at (1)
DamnedAustin
all and the system is working as it should. If she doesn't rehabilitate, then the judicial system may have another opportunity to send (2)
DamnedAustin
her to jail. Remember, the judiciary doesn't exist to dole our revenge for crimes committed. If there is an honest chance for reform, (3)
DamnedAustin
then it's in the best interest of the courts and society to attempt reform. Sending somebody like this to prison is almost guaranteed (4)
DamnedAustin
to produce another life-long repeat offender, which doesn't help anybody. (5/5)
kibateo
In china they would have likely gotten the death penalty.
SilentMajority420
A few ounces of weed could get you the death penalty in China. Communism sucks.
AnythingMuchShorter
Not saying communism is good or anything, but that doesn't come from the communism part, it comes from the totalitarian dictatorship part.
kibateo
naw that's just very serious drug laws. Pretty good deterrent as well.
DeviousLuxray
Yes cause no one uses weed for medicinal reasons right?
kibateo
Yes and china has been using weed for medical reasons for a long time as well. You only get arrested for illegally buying/selling.
kibateo
also on "getting death penalty for few ounces of weed" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_in_China
kibateo
here's a short article for you to check out or just google if you like https://merryjane.com/culture/china-marijuana-hash-drug-dealing
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Drakimord
Probably because they won't learn, they find is jail a badge of honor....
highpieinthesky
The justice system is aimed at punishment and reform.They (not saying I agree) thought community service would reform her better than prison
Tywinning
No prison sentence does make a bit of sense, but I would have expected that CS to be at least double and require a psych eval or something
highpieinthesky
It’s hard to know what really happens since newspapers miss out key facts to make a story juicy. Do we know if the lad has recovered okay?
TheRaiderofRandom
I always figured that was propaganda considering how little prison does to reform anyone, and all the punishment for its own sake.
whyd0c
So let's not put you where we put the rest of the kidnappers, assaulters, and accessories? Wtf is the point of jail if people who commit 1/2
whyd0c
Crimes aren't being put there? 2/2
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KingOfTheAnarchists
Despicable.
lordofthedice
On the other hand, she's not rotting away in jail wasting tax payer money only to come out later and be a further burden. I doubt she's >
lordofthedice
going to be welcome back with open arms. I wouldn't be surprised if she's anything less than a pariah after what she did. Maybe community >
lordofthedice
service will give her a chance to do something positive and good for her community. It doesn't fix what she did, but nothing really >
lordofthedice
will change what she did. Even locking her away won't help the kid she attacked. Maybe I'm just the sort of person who hopes SOMETHING >
lordofthedice
positive will come out of this. There's already enough bad things being done in this world.
worthaton
Yea..I'm not even shocked these kids got away with it. People who think it's alright to torture someone, especially handicapped, needs help
Mechwarrior719
Stay off social media for 4 years and no communication with the other 'co-defendants' yeah. I'm sure that's exactly what she'll do.
Psychidelicacy
Well I hope the dumb cunt doesn't adhere to her probation and lands in prison.
BuiltonSin
If she doesn't, she will go to jail.
AimlessSavant
And how the fuck do you think they can track her other than waste tax money to put a probation officer on her.
BuiltonSin
Social media would be pretty easy to spot. Sending her to prison is a bigger expenditure of those tax dollars than a probation officer.
dickbasedregex
Should should already fucking be there. I hope she fucking get super AIDS.
xSocksMan
She belongs in jail, all four of them do. Not gonna say anymore...
Stronghans
They didn't just cut his hair, they took off some of the scalp.
IllegalBiceps
source for this?
INoLongerCareBoutThisName
And made his drink toilet water
anonwhymouse
They also stabbed him
frostybox
didn't they ram a coathanger into his ass too? Fucking disgusting.
residentolive
No that was white football players raping their mentally handicapped black teammate in Idaho. Similar concept though
RonaldFckingSwanson
Wtf is wrong with America?
Belaco
It's the world not just America
MatadoR32
No, that was the REVERSE of this case where a group of white teens (with one main perpetrator) raped their black teammate with a coat hanger
ohshizzlemynizzle
What a bunch of lowlives ugh..
MatadoR32
Source: http://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/community/fort-worth/article122282204.html
boogersweretasty
Holy fuck, this victim was also mentally-challenged! WTF is wrong with people? :(
Naveedamin7992
Absolutely disgusting
Junktrunkjunkie
Personally I'd say it's just a similar case, Calling it Reverse only highlights the races involved but it's still the same kind of crime.
CherrySnowCone
Not the same. 1 person was soddomized & the other was not. Neither were good but pretty sure the white teens didn't face legal consequences.
Sneckz
Do you have a source for this? Cayse it seems like a serious crime to just ignore especially if the guy was mentally ill.
woopwooppulloverdatasstoofat
the addition of rape makes it a different kind of crime...
Junktrunkjunkie
yeah okay fine but if it's THAT different then why draw it up a "Reverse" comparison? White people aren't reverse black people...
RetardAIert
Anyone else try to press the play button on the video...?
bannyd
i knew it wasn't clickable... yet i found my pointer gravitating towards it - but i knew better.... and still clicked...
StevenMartinTheOne
This is the real argument we should be having
kylemc2231415
Yes
apostalworkeron2manymeds
Don’t worry she will be on social media because she can’t resist the urge... then prison for this stupid bitch
RestingBitchFace1985
That's pretty much my reasoning, too. You know she'll screw up soon enough, then judge can nail her.
AlkeneThiol
She will be on social media within the month. I feel like the judge knows this But his/her conscience made them want to at least try.
ijustwonamathdebate
Was my first thought, too. Hopefully people will remember and Tell in her as soon as she gets online!
Geniefromdownunder
But will get off easy. Because a small parole violation is not as significant as the initial crime.
AlkeneThiol
Depends on if it's a suspended sentence
Danishlmgurian
She shouldn't be given the chance for redemption. She and 3 others kidnapped a mentally impaired young man, beat him, shouted racial slurs
AnythingMuchShorter
I agree, our prison system may be overcrowded with non-violent offenders, but people like this need to be locked away.
Danishlmgurian
at him, they bound him, the made him drink from a toilet, all while they livestreamed it! They should have gotten the electric chair!
redloki55
you can't just argue death penalty for anything...that isn't even allowed in most US states anymore
rainballs
Illinois abolished theirs in 2011
redloki55
even then, this crime isn't death penalty material...like life in prison material, yes, but not death.
Danishlmgurian
Any person that could even THINK about doing shit like this should be terminated immediately! This behaviour is unacceptable!!
schlabbalappen
the sentence is way too light, but you're definitely on the other extreme imo. death sentences suck ass
Danishlmgurian
Who do they suck for? The families of the victim and the victim itself that will walk around knowing those people are still alive and capabl
Muffyns
thoughts are not a crime, actions on the other hand most definitely are
DamnedAustin
The irony, I'm sure, has been completely lost on you.
Danishlmgurian
What irony? Removing people with highly negative thoughts about other people and the will to torture?
th9bar0n
Seems lenient to me..... How is rye victim coming along after something like this?
MasterPrime
Seems like an effective judge. Prison doesn't rehabilitate and it's highly likely she'll end up there anyway.
tx3x
seems like when there's no punishment there's no incentive to not rape and torture one another
MasterPrime
It's a complicated situation. We don't have a system to both punish and rehabilitate. Prison is basically writing them off. Where's the line
TheManInTheWall
For some reason i read lenient as fair and was about to comment "what the fuck man"
th9bar0n
To clarify; I think this sentence is not harsh enough
TheManInTheWall
Yeah, i know you meant that. I initially misread
MatadoR32
When the reverse of this happened, where a group of white teens (with one main perpetrator) raped their black teammate with a coat hanger
RosieHarbor
Not reverse, it's the same. Shitty people doing horrible things to people. The color of their skin makes no difference.
MatadoR32
...And yet Fox News has extensively covered one while they haven't covered the other. Racism exists in this country; we need to confront it.
RosieHarbor
Yep and referring to these crimes as opposite doesn't help. They. Are. The. Same. Also, Fox News is racist and the sky is blue.
MatadoR32
The person charged got 2-3 years of probation and 300 hours of community service.
MatadoR32
Source: http://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/community/fort-worth/article122282204.html
RandAIFlagg
Yep. That and a whole lot of other stories like it are why I really don't feel particularly outraged.
yummmmm
idk here's a similar plea deal http://bit.ly/2ALPAw0 best guess is that this is how they ensure a conviction?
tx3x
yeah, cuz the video isn't enough evidence
DadddyWarlord
I mean how is that not enough, especially when it was live..?
tx3x
some folks don't understand irony
DadddyWarlord
:(
HorsefaceBeeguy
Mayonnaiseisainstrument
So this is becoming a meme now?
humantoe
Fuck yes, welcome to old funny imgur
neonoptic
Now? It was the second it happened in accordance with the internet.
Thatguythatknowsbetter
(18 U.S.C. § 1201) makeskidnapping a serious felony offense, with prison sentences of 20 or more years...
PotatoFaminePart2
make skid napping a serious felony offence
LetMeGramSchmidtOnYourChest
We need to reconsider frontier justice
vitaminalgas
bpetersen
What is the gif of?
Danishlmgurian
It's from "The Watchers". It's a superhero movie with a dark and realistic twist.
INoLongerCareBoutThisName
But they didn’t charge her with kidnapping because they made a deal
BusFarts
It's okay to mess up once in a while at your job... unless you literally decide the fates of peoples lives.
AnimalJere
I wonder if this article is omitting part if the sentence. For instance it doesn't mention counseling, that'd be odd for it not to be part
Traja01
Every probationary period comes with conditions. Usually classes or some other means of judicial supervision rehab.
yummmmm
http://bit.ly/2ALPAw0 i think it's something to do with hate crime law generally. still mystifying though
DrFluffzzz
Fuck my guy ur quoting shit
Gorperino
You don't deserve this
Theodrian
Yes, they do.
dazedNconfuzed
https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCODE-2011-title18/pdf/USCODE-2011-title18-partI-chap55-sec1201.pdf
Thatguythatknowsbetter
It's copy pasta from googling "kidnapping charge" but whatever man.
Maahes0
And her plea bargain removed that charge
dorklordsickus
Why is this getting downvoted?! The article clearly states that the prosecution dropped the kidnapping charge and she got a deal 1/2
Maahes0
Thanks for the support. I guess the article was too long for several to read.
dachicken
=)
dorklordsickus
For pleading guilty to battery 2/2
2inthestink
What plea bargain. They fucking gave the world a video tape of their crimes. Why would anyone even offer a deal, a get out of jail free card
EranL
Because they rather sacrifice the handicapped dude to not risk any riots and uprisings. They don't care about you nor are they afraid
2inthestink
I'm not even white and this shit enrages me. This kid was fucking kidnapped, tortured and humiliated all because of his race. Sick world!!
dachicken
Yup. It makes no sense. Crime is crime don't care who someone is - commit it, get caught, get charged. Across the board.
PancakeMapleBaconEh
Unless of course your not a white male, or perhaps you do it to a white male.
MyNamesNotAsherLev
No one is gonna talk about drug charges and how POC are disproportionately targeted by police? This is an age problem and a representative 1
MyNamesNotAsherLev
Case of how the struggles of the disabled and mentally ill are ignored.
capnsebastian
Im sure colored people could never relate
Irishda
So what happened to that group of white football players who violated that black mentally handicapped kid?
Vyrro
Spurce?
soapghost
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/dec/20/idaho-football-coat-hanger-rape-teammate-john-rk-howard
teddyz
Imagine all the rioting if the shoe would be on the other foot though
DrDred
You're. Sorry pet peeve.
cthulhuOverlord
YOU STOLE MY LINE(without being grammatically incorrect you’re the third person I’ve seen do this correctly).
passthejuice
Don't apologise, s/he's the one who used the wrong one..
WaxForBrains
Oh i see you’re a redneck. That’s why you think that black people get off easy when it comes to the law. Sick. Fuck outta here.
Vyrro
*shitforbrains, there...fixed your username.
justtruth
No the reference was directly related to how hate crimes are dealt with if the victim is white vs black. Over all it's like an act of god 1/
justtruth
/2 to get crimes considered hate crimes when the victim is white. Group of white kids beat up a black kid instant hate crime.
WaxForBrains
Woah what? So based on this one very specific instance we can just throwing race into this and 73 People are on board?! What the fuck..
otherzach
Every instance ends up headlining race or discrimination in some way. 1/2
ruzid
Sometimes I feel like Imgur is kinda stupid. You basically agree with him, yet you have 13 points while he's deep in downvotes.
otherzach
Read on champ...... The point is not to be a dip shit
otherzach
It's like no one believes there is just crime for the sake of crime. Someone will try to involve their "victimized group" in every scenario
otherzach
This however...... Was a textbook hate crime....
Promethianfire
Regarding a prison sentence, the judge said he wasn't sure if she would come out any better. That's probably true, because our prison system
CharlieWoolf
She should go to jail just to protect the public
Promethianfire
I'm not disputing that, just disagreeing with the Judge's logic that the way to address a broken CJ system is to not use it.
Promethianfire
Is pathetic and does a terrible job of Rehabilitation. The way to address that is by advocating for reform, not selectively giving light-
Promethianfire
sentences to people.
AheagoAmigo
Welcome to Chicago law where it's sometimes as or more corrupt than D.C. and what goes on there affects the whole state (I'm from IL)
dunersrevenge
If we could just remove Chicago from our state that’d be great.
MacDaddyPr1me
Sever off Cook county and just make it "North Illinois", sounds good to me!
gamblingpoet
That'd be better for Chicago. They'd get to keep all the property tax for their schools, resulting in their schools getting more money.
dunersrevenge
I’m good with that. Let them deal with their own shit and me being in the lower half can actually have a voice in the state.
gamblingpoet
Where do you think rural schools (most of Illinois) get their money from? Chicago. Chicago's taxes pay for your schools.
AheagoAmigo
Everyone in IL knows this. It's just a wish the majority of us have. We'd rather not have Chicago rule the rest of the state is all.
loopyloopus
Was anyone really surprised tho?
BoooBerry
Not I. Simply by virtue of the demographics of the case. They don't want more rioting.
Tentrees
No. I hate to say it but no.
Shewy92
After Brock Turner, no
ElephantKid
he was rich...
GreaterDog
Money didn't even factor in because of the plea. I'm just amazed the plea deal equated to virtually 0 punishment relative to the crime
Anonymous0199846
Ya, actually I am. This is some bullshirt
areallycreativeusername
It is bullshit, but are you surprised?
Grunaldi
I wanted to reply exactly the same way.
yourmomsucksbigdick
Really forked up.
Oh4FukSakes
Same, this is all really fucked.
IMKARLKINGOFTHEDUCKS
Can you even imagine if she were white and the kid she tortured was black and this was the sentence? There’d be riots in the streets.
TestAccount321
With all of the black people that get shot dead by thpolice that don't receive justice, I CANNOT believe you're being serious right now.
residentolive
You're an idiot. White kids raped mentally handicapped black kid with a coathanger in Idaho 2 years ago and got probation. No riots...
randonguy305
How quickly u forgot the white high school football player who stuck a wire hanger up the butt of a black mentally handicap student
MatadoR32
You mean like what already happened? 2-3 years probation, 300 hrs community service for raping a disabled black teammate with a coat hanger
rainballs
Funny we didn't riot
MatadoR32
Nope, we kneeled :)
MatadoR32
http://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/community/fort-worth/article122282204.html
Andalite
I just wanna chime in on that last part of the article real quick: you learn in criminal justice classes that harsh sentences don't actually
iSoulend
didn't they rather mean that high crime rate means lot of inmate so they have to give light sentence because they can't keep up
Andalite
No. They meant that criminals commit crimes because of light sentences. Which isn't true as a whole
CryingDuringFinals
I do agree with that assessment. I would however say that courts should be sentencing everyone equally. Doesn't make sense if on gets 1/2
CryingDuringFinals
50 years while someone else merely gets probation. The courts should at least be consistent in terms of sentencing.
Andalite
What kind of sentence one gets depends on the individual case, judge, and geographical location of the court. Laws vary area to area. And
Andalite
applying a single law to every single case equally could result in more problems than it aims to solve.
Andalite
help lower the crime rate. So saying that it's earned its reputation for crime because of supposedly light sentences (which this one was),
Andalite
is simply ignorant of causes of crime. That being said, fuck that bitch I wish she'd gone to prison for twenty years
DaayumTeeyum
Would be interesting if the terms of her probation included helping special needs white men in some capacity for four years.
Andalite
I get where you're coming from, but maybe putting criminals with the demographic they victimized isn't the best of ideas
GeneTheAwkward
Would be academically interesting, but you just don't put criminals in close contact with their victim demographic.
DaayumTeeyum
"in some capacity". A very controlled environment. Spending time with that demographic could foster an appreciation for their challenges.
IZ42
Don't speak against the hivemind. They can't stand pointing out how fucked traditional punitive measures are for society.
NexiKuro
They're mostly just here to express their outrage, people who aren't angry enough probably won't comment. So the image does the filtering.
Andalite
I've seen the Hivemind argue that an officer shouldn't use deadly force against someone trying to kill them. I've given up on changing its
Andalite
mind
Hydrottle
Unfortunately a lot of people don’t see it as a judicial system but as a revenge system. People want “justice” but really want revenge.
ScootsTheFlyer
But revenge is just? No, seriously, I'm actually all for Lex Talionis.
SorryOldHorse
light sentence or not, i think the point is more that its likely, if a man kidnapped a mental challenged young woman he would get (1/2)
Toasterpops
Maybe, considering how many men get little to no jail time for beating wives and raping women...let's not make that bet
SorryOldHorse
A much longer stretch
Andalite
Sure. But that's not what they said at the end, nor is it what I was talking about.
lotrmith
Potential for harsh sentences don't prevent criminals from committing crime, but being in jail prevents criminals from further crime.
Andalite
What you're talking about is incapacitation and what the war on drugs aimed to do. Surprise! Didn't work
pgdave
Sort of - it can also increase the potential for them committing crimes in the future when released.
KeeleonOhms
So dont release them.
pgdave
That is a possibility - basically exile, but it's fairly extreme for most crimes, this one seems like an extreme crime but it was also 1/2
pgdave
highly publicized, so it becomes harder to put into the context of all other crimes and circumstances. 2/2
lotrmith
What they do when released is separate from what they cannot do while in jail.
pgdave
Only if there isn't a causal relationship. If jail makes it more likely over the course of their life they'll commit crimes then your 1/2
pgdave
argument wouldn't work - while she was in jail she couldn't commit crime but it still could increase the overall crime committed 2/2
Wolfguy007
Where are the outcries for equality now? The protests for justice? Feminists? BLM? Got anything?! ACLU? Where are you now?!
savingfavsandslayingbabes
People just forgot. That's my guess.
maijen0062000
Wow, way to misunderstand the nature of these organizations. They can only speak and suggest shit, kinda their biggest flaw. /2
maijen0062000
They have made the typical "this is fucked up too" statement. But, Thier words have fallen on deaf ears, before why would that change now?
Tunaccat
BLM condemned this, also Black people on average get harsher convictions for the same crime. Cherry-picking doesn't help you.
avghomegirl
Where is all lives matter? Oh yes people like YOU only speak up to shut others down.
TheFastpaws
The silence speaks more about those groups true intentions then anything else.
willi828
Ho racist
CharlieWoolf
Literally both groups condemned this immediately. You either need to pay more attention or learn how to use google.
Tinkrr
According to many of those groups, this can't actually be a hate crime even, since you know, reasons...
ineedtotalkaboutsomethings
There were outcries. Pay more attention.
Trollingstoned
Yeah, this case on which they have no bearing whatsoever sure proved them all wrong forever.
TestAccount321
A crime was committed? Time to trash Imgur's favorite enemies: black people and women! Never fucking fails.
Irishda
What's there to protest? She's taking a lighter sentence as a plea deal to testify against her friends
TrundleTheGr8
Every rational person that would object to this has a job and they are at work.
EverythingIsAwful
Black lives matter doesn’t care about anything or anyone until someone is dead and a cop is involved so they can stand on corpses to preach
2inthestink
I'm with you man. Fuck this shit.
avghomegirl
Oh shut up lol. White people finally feel the pain of our justice system
innagaddavidababy
Why is this a feminist, blm, or aclu issue? Are you saying that organizations that seek justice must fight all injustice? You seem dim.
CalemvirReaper
I think the point is that the issues are two sides of the same spectrum If you fight for more rights you also have to acknowledge advantages
innagaddavidababy
I don’t think that was the point at all.
CharlieWoolf
Also, all of these groups denounced this. Original commenter is incapable of using google.
asmallcat
Sorry in advance for your downvotes. Imgur doesn't like it when you go against the groupthink.
BQZip
Upvote the HELL out of this!
CharlieWoolf
Downvote the hell out of this because those groups DID condemn this, Wolfguy007 just can't use google.
BQZip
No, they condemned the actions, not the verdict. Justice is a TWO way street and should ALWAYS be demanded. Nothing on google search w/ BLM
CharlieWoolf
But the sentence is not a BLM issue or a Civil Liberties issue so why would they get involved with it?
BQZip
Just like the Rodney King verdict wouldn't have been a Civil Liberties issue?
TestAccount321
I hope you remember to drag in white people when Moore wins Alabama
flapperfemmefatale
how would this be a cause for any of those groups?
StonedLikeACheatingMuslimWoman
Where was the American Heart Association when we had the ebola outbreak? Aren't they doctors too?
Promethianfire
*accuses you of being a racist*
CertifiedAgreer
Right here you dumb shit. Do you really think no one who wants equality thinks this wrong?
Qualtagh
Where are the veterinarians? The public finance reform advocates? The cabbage salesmen?? (Hint: they came too, but not under --
Qualtagh
-- irrelevant banners, ya dipshit)
ILikeToCallItLostWages
Those fucking cabbage salesmen are getting their pockets lined by corrupt judges. Big Cabbage is killing us, people. WAKE UP
RandAIFlagg
thatgirl2214
Feminist woman here. She should be in jail.
HulkHoganWeComingForYouNiiiigaaaaa
They never said BLm in thr video but BLm kidnapping was trending on twitter https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Chicago_torture_incident
TurtleOnTheRocks
They had no connection to BLM but it was trending on Twitter because racist idiots wanted to blame BLM
SevenLeagueBoots
"I want equality, but not like this" - feminists
CharlieWoolf
This isn't feminism. No moral human, feminist or otherwise, condones a slap on the wrist for the torture of a handicapped child.
alexjonesisagayfrog
You've never met many feminist have you
SevenLeagueBoots
http://www.sheknows.com/living/articles/1120821/drafting-women Literally 'I want equality but not like this'.
SevenLeagueBoots
https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2014/11/06/we-should-stop-putting-women-in-jail-for-anything/?utm_term=.6fa71f954140
alexjonesisagayfrog
Cute a 3 year old opinion piece and a link to a feminist blog discussing what is literally the most divisive topic in the feminist community
alexjonesisagayfrog
But just to actually address these points the first article has decent points when it comes to calling to the end of mass incarceration
turtortoise
Female here, I really wish the feminist movement would get involved and put her behind bars where she belongs! This is bs, not equality.
ElephantKid
they wont tho.
LenoreO
But her sister is still behind bars. So she wasn't given a lenient sentance cause she was a woman has to be more to it
Irishda
How would they do that
davidsarif
I don't think a loose collection of people have any power over court decisions
KeeleonOhms
That doesnt stop rioters from burning down the city in other instances.
onemorepost
Well we can sure as fucking hell try
TheDirtyCheeseBandit
A large collection of people can have the ability to pressure a re-trial or petition for one as this clearly was a light as shit sentence.
NexiKuro
So how did that go for Brock? I thought we were all pretty unanimous about him?
ThisIsFrigglish
Google "Duluth model".
StonedLikeACheatingMuslimWoman
What's the point you're trying to make? Was there a better intervention program in place? I'm critical of the model but BIPs are necessary.
alexjonesisagayfrog
Blm immediately denounced the incident feminists are fighting for equal sentencing the ACLU deals with wrongful conviction not under convict
PeeinOnHitlersFace
He didn't say shit about whether or not they denounced it. He's talking about their silence now. But instead you just skimmed what1/2
BQZip
BLM denounced the incident...not the verdict
alexjonesisagayfrog
They didn't praise it either I don't here ALM doing fuck all either
fairybug
I dunno, man, this seems pretty fucking wrong to me.
alexjonesisagayfrog
But it's not a wrongful conviction/civil rights issue like the ACLU deals with it's just a grossly light sentence
PeeinOnHitlersFace
2/2 what he actually said and decided to just hear what you want so good job
SuperSplashAsh
Does this poster have sauce?
alexjonesisagayfrog
For which statement
HulkHoganWeComingForYouNiiiigaaaaa
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Chicago_torture_incident
KeeleonOhms
I dont see the outrage over the lenient sentencing that for sure would have been there if race or gender were reversed.
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HulkHoganWeComingForYouNiiiigaaaaa
White people have more important issues to worry about https://www.dailydot.com/unclick/trump-supporters-starbucks/ btw I'm joking people
RandAIFlagg
all for some equal sentencing
alexjonesisagayfrog
Color me confused what does this shit bag have to do with anything
RandAIFlagg
or if you prefer
RandAIFlagg
equal sentencing!
alexjonesisagayfrog
O okay now I get you sorry I thought you sorry for missing your point take a plus 3
alexjonesisagayfrog
Also the police found zero connection between BLM and the group so way to have a fundamental misunderstanding of multiple topics good job
KeeleonOhms
Isnt one of BLMs complaints about harsh treatment of blacks in the judicial system? Their silence on this judgement sounds an awful lot like
tehflan
That one person of color happened to receive an overly-lenient sentence doesn't negate that the opposite is much more common.
KeeleonOhms
They should be mad whenever unfairness happens not just pick and choose.
KeeleonOhms
Its ok to give this black girl a lenient sentence. Shouldnt they want it to be fair regardless of race? This doesnt sound fair.
KeeleonOhms
And I gaurantee they wouldnt be silent if the races were reversed.
BastardOperatorFromHell
Im sure sharpton will weigh in heavily on this. Any day now.
Irishda
What's this have to do with black civil rights?
TimeKeepsOnMoving
"I'm sure that these four upstanding citizens learned their lessons. And really, the white male kind of deserved it." - Sharpton 2018
Copperbrat
Feminist here. I'm as outraged as you are. One of the things feminism actually presses for is equal sentencing.
SevenLeagueBoots
https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2014/11/06/we-should-stop-putting-women-in-jail-for-anything/?utm_term=.6fa71f954140
TheLeftPocket
Brave saying that around these parts. Most people on this website are in the "feminists are man-haters from tumblr" camp.
MackerelTex
The big thing is that women in general are still not seen as actual threats
Spunkdust
Fuck you on about? Come meet my missus. Threat to sanity right there.
rubbermonkey55
Men commit 90% of murders in the US of course women are seen as less threatening. 1
rubbermonkey55
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded/expandhomicidemain 2
SevenLeagueBoots
Black men commit more than half the murders, despite being about 6% of the population. Interesting fact or racist fact?
rubbermonkey55
As my adviser says "the data is the data" the next questions are why does this happen and how can we effectively prevent this?
Prescottt
Eh, I think that's bullshit. I think we know women can be very dangerous, but we see them as more innocent and pure. Women are seen as 1/?
Prescottt
Care takers and selfless parents and angels and princesses and on and on until we prop them up on a pedestal and make them morally 2/?
Prescottt
Superior. When society continually buys into this idea that women are morally incapable of being a monster, horrific women like in this 3/?
Prescottt
Article are given lenient sentences. This isn't about not seeing women as dangerous. Its about not seeing women as people, but superiors.
CantPeelDemPotatos
I think you just reiterated what he was saying with more words lol
PotassiumRegulatoryCommittee
It's a white male, so nobody's gives a shit
Bennings
So basically you've found the story of a terrible miscarriage of justice and managed to make it about how opressed YOU are.
RandAIFlagg
Nah, I never gave a shit because I knew 4 black people would be railed as hard as possible by the "justice" system. I'm surprised as fuck.
JupitersWitch
And he's mentally disabled which is worse. Society is still in the dark ages on that topic.
KeeleonOhms
Thats the only reason we still care.
donglover33
Umm, hello, slavery happened, so white privilege, so it’s ok to hurt white people. #racismisevil
Dendrofiili
How long were you a slave? No wait, you weren't. And whites of today weren't the ones enslaving "you". Gtfo.
donglover33
I was only gonna keep this up until someone missed the sarcasm.you win, its all bullshit. Its sad that its actually that hard to tell lately
Blrp0
But wait, since white people ended slavery shouldn't we get special protection?
donglover33
NO! White people only ended slavery because they didn’t want to LOOK racist. They just made their racism secret, which is worse.
2inthestink
Sad but true. This shit is going to have a strong blow back effect. Alt-right is a response to this type of shit
PotassiumRegulatoryCommittee
I personally can't take the alt right seriously, because I know it's just 4chan being 4chan
beardedbeerdeer
And alt left is tumblr being tumblr. Literally same pile of shit, just held in the other palm.
alexjonesisagayfrog
Lol no one palm has nazis the other has the "triggered" crowd not much of a fan of either but one is VASTLY more harmful
lurkingnooby
Jesus. You pathetic „mimimi white male victim“ crap is more edgy than any feminism outcry i have ever seen. Grow a pair and shut the f up.
kevoo118
Lol the native is getting restless.
DunnoWhatToPutHereOrHowToSpellit
...i found Sharpton
SweetNarNar
Well that went a bit south huh
BastardOperatorFromHell
No, you?
ghoststts
Says the racist little soyboy. Stay small little man, wouldn't want you to be opening your mouth like that in the real world.
lurkingnooby
At least i dont need to cry about beeing soooo opressed by my gender or skin colour. Grow up kiddo and stop your mimimi
ghoststts
If I wanted to hear your opinion, I'd give it to you. Do me a favor and continue being a silent nobody. Thanks little man.
IvnWng
You're a fucking racist and a sexist.
lurkingnooby
And you are an idiot
2inthestink
Racist pos. You know what racists get. Punched in the fucking face. That's what. Go fuck your low self esteem having self. Dumb mofo
lurkingnooby
Pointing out soneone using a made up bs to fuel the race war and instant get called a racist. You are not very bright are you.
KrombopulosMichaelTheThird
People like you are the reason we have racism, you bigoted ass.
lurkingnooby
Care to explain
KrombopulosMichaelTheThird
Sure. Instead of trying to see anybody else's world view, you instantly go to insulting an entire group. That's how inequality is a thing.
KrombopulosMichaelTheThird
I mean, I don't mean to be rude, but it seems like (from your comments) that you're a rude, short person. Downvote me if you want to.
DunnoWhatToPutHereOrHowToSpellit
This comment is so out of line and hateful I feel like down voting everything you've ever posted...
iamspartan1262
The cunt hasn't posted anything
lurkingnooby
Sure because fueling into this race war with a made up bs (white male victim) is a message of love and tolerance?
MrBilly69
Lad we can agree hes a cunt, but hes not worth the effort either. Plus thats really not gonna make much difference, he's gonna lose 1/
MrBilly69
most of his karma when this post hits FP unless he deletes anyways. 2/
CyborgScribe
Agreed. But imgur has a big crybaby "white victim" alt-right block who just eats that bullshit up.
CyborgScribe
They work really hard to find examples of people being sexist or racist towards white males and yeah, those are problems, but that doesnt...
CyborgScribe
...begin to cancel out the collective mountain of privilege we enjoy. But the oppression myth persists because its how they justify...
SirSnickleFritz
Forget the white bit. How 'bout the fact that they kidnapped a kid with disabilities and tortured him, you piece of shit.
lurkingnooby
Thats the f point. Some asshole did some shot to a person and seems to get away with it. Making it a white victim cry is just bullshit
somenerandom
Forget the disabilities bit too. They kidnapped someone and tortured them. I don't know how anything else matters here.
PotassiumRegulatoryCommittee
Can white males not be discriminated against? Because that's racist
lurkingnooby
Yes it f can. Look at some African country treating their white farmer. But in usa white male victim is such a overhyped bullshit.
lurkingnooby
Not saying it doesnt exist and some white male are indeed treated unfair. But there is no war no oppression of the white male in usa
2inthestink
W..w..well you s..s..see it's about the power d..d..dynamic. Whites have magical powers over everybody else .. /s
KeeleonOhms
4 against one disabled person kind of changes the "power dynamic".
alexjonesisagayfrog
It's not magic it's just over representation in the law making and economic systems
MrBilly69
Change white to black and tell me if it sounds racist, if so, its probably racist, you fucking racist.
davidsarif
Lol this is a garbage argument
Theodrian
It's called a litmus test, science, racist.
MrBilly69
You sure proved me wrong David. Racism is racism, regardless of race of perpetrator/victim, whether you like it or not.
IZ42
Didn't multiple feminist and blm groups denounce these shitfucks very explicitly for this bullshit?
Blrp0
Yeah, and? Have any of them talked about the light sentences?
PeeinOnHitlersFace
Them denouncing it in the past isn't what's in question. Their apparent apathy on this joke of a sentence is
IZ42
They might not have a prepared statement yet, or even heard of this yet.
PeeinOnHitlersFace
That's fair +1
AkiraScientist
Yeah, wolfguy007 is just bringing these groups up for some other reason or personal gripe I suspect. This incident was widely denounced.
davidsarif
Nobody in the shack "fuck feminism" hivemind cares about such facts
DirtRockets
Because it doesn't matter. Anybody who associates with a group associates with their lowest common denominator. An entity is morally equal
DirtRockets
to the worst thing it's done. If one feminist, or BLM activist defended them, they are all equally culpable, for the same reason all cops,
DirtRockets
by virtue of associating with the uniform of anybody who, even once, killed somebody or committed brutality, is enshrining it. It's how
alexjonesisagayfrog
Ding ding ding we have a winner
TechnicallyRight
Is it because feminism ignores white male problems?
Miladog
(1)I feel like this happens all the time. You can denounce an act or group multiple times, but you forget to denounce them for the umpteenth
SevenLeagueBoots
Like how Trump denounced the kkk a hundred times and the news reported that he didn't after each time?
Miladog
(2) time and all of a sudden you obviously don't care anymore. Might as well just pin a damn post on your twitter and see if that works.
DamnedAustin
Yes, everybody denounced it. But people like Wolfguy007 won't acknowledge it because then who would they have to be angry at?
PeeinOnHitlersFace
He's pointing out that all of these groups are silent on this issue. He didn't say fuck feminism once. Seems like kneejerk shit talking
DamnedAustin
BLM did speak out against this group, though.
PeeinOnHitlersFace
Nobody here has said they didn't. He's saying they appear to not give a crap about this sentence
Howimetyourauntrobin
Sauce?
DamnedAustin
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/05/us/chicago-racially-charged-attack-video.html
Kamasu0Tra
It's very easy to say, "we think these people and their actions are bad" and do literally nothing else about it.
zackofspades
They have to blame someone, not the system it’s all the activists fault!
hakunamatatas
It is kind of funny how "It has nothing to do with the movement" yet they spout BLM rhetoric. Just like the cop killer in Dallas.
zackofspades
That’s not funny, that’s stupid. That’s like blaming Salinger for the shooting of John Lennon.
KeeleonOhms
Ok and why arent they outraged now? Would they be quiet if the races or genders were reversed in this same outcome?
midgetsaw
they'd probably burn half a Chicago down by now
Irishda
Because this has nothing to do with feminism or black civil rights? Why doesn't the Net Neutrality movement care about the environment?
KeeleonOhms
This kind of has a lot to do with feminism and black rights when their whole point is "equal treatment".
Irishda
Right, at the hands of a system of injustice that's abused them for 300 years
MenAintShitButHoesAndTricks
it was a man who sentenced her. she needs to go to jail, but it wasnt a woman judge being lenient in the name of womens rights.
SevenLeagueBoots
Are you suggesting men can't be feminists?
IllegalBiceps
can you strawman any harder?
MenAintShitButHoesAndTricks
are you implying he had to be a feminist in order to let her off? there are feminists who also think she should have been in jail.
SevenLeagueBoots
OC mentions feminists, BLM, and ACLU. Your comment addresses feminism, denies it's involvement because judge is a man. YOUR comment -
SevenLeagueBoots
suggests the judge is not a feminist because he is a man.
DamnedAustin
Why aren't you protesting instead of whining about the lack of a protest on Imgur? BLM focuses on police brutality against black people, (1)
alexjonesisagayfrog
No no no BLM doesn't focus on police brutality against black people the focus on police brutality against everyone
KeeleonOhms
No. If they did it would be ALM.
DamnedAustin
They certainly speak out against police brutality against everyone, but they put emphasis on cases against black people. In either case, (1)
DamnedAustin
it's ridiculous to blame them for not protesting this. It's like being angry at Habitat for Humanity because they're not protesting (2)
DamnedAustin
gun violence. It's just not their cause. (3/3)
alexjonesisagayfrog
Agreed but part of blm's problem is that they are seen has caring for only black people that's what they deal with most cause that's
DamnedAustin
so this incident is well outside of their wheelhouse, that doesn't mean they support it. ACLU focuses on civil rights violations by the (2)
DamnedAustin
government. Since the government isn't the guilty party here, there's no reason for them to get involved. That doesn't mean they support (3)
DamnedAustin
it, either. NOBODY surrounding this case is supporting what these assholes did. (4/4)
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CharlieWoolf
Both BLM and the ACLU actually DID denounce this decision.
HulkHoganWeComingForYouNiiiigaaaaa
StopLookingAtMyName
Shh, the rabid anti-feminists want an anger circle-jerk. Facts have no place here.