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I'm back Y'all!
My last post did really well so I thought I'd try again. Also I got a couple of requests for more so here you go.
Let's get this over with. I got asked this in a comment so I'm answering here.
People who hate GMOs are idiots. Let's start with that. GMO stands for Genetically Modified Organism, but most people who are against them couldn't tell you that. So what are they really? Well, I'm not a rancher, but I know a little about how it's used in cattle anyway. For centuries, cattle ranchers have been selectively breeding animals for desirable traits. For instance, you have a bull who is very strong, but gets sick easily. You have a cow who has good immunity, but is weak. You breed the two together. Now, you COULD get a strong animal with good immunity. But you could also end up with a sickly calf that isn't strong at all. This is how it's been for a long time. It was just a process of trial and error. Then, along comes science. All of a sudden, we can help engineer an animal that is strong and immune. Every time. We can select a trait and get it with a little experimentation. That's oversimplifying it, but that's the idea. The same goes for plants. Wheat can be created now that can withstand a brutal drought and terrible heat, and still yield better than earlier varieties would under perfect conditions. And here's the thing with GMOs- there are no negative effects. Really! We would hail them as a miracle if people weren't so for-no-reason opposed to them.
Tl;dr- GMOs are awesome. Stop raggin on them.
1.) pocketknife
2.) gloves
3.) hat
These are true essentials. Can't go without a pocketknife, most useful tool ever. Gloves are great for pretty much anything. And a hat? I've seen anything from a "cowboy" hat, to a baseball cap. (That's what I wear). I don't know of any farmer or rancher who leaves home without one.
All the time. Any piece of equipment. They break down at the worst time. Sometimes it's easy. An hour or two and they're up again. Sometimes it takes weeks and we have to rent a replacement.
This is just rural America in general. There are never any cars on the red dirt roads. And when there are they're either farmers or high schoolers doing 110.
Next time you eat a sandwich, remember- a farm kid has probably played around in that grain. Wheat trucks are pretty much just big ol swimming pools. It's stupidly fun.
We raise free range hens for the eggs. We sell them. And I hate it. The people we sell to demand free range and antibiotic free. Both are stupid and cruel. We lose so many chickens to predators. I'm not joking, we average one a week during spring. And no antibiotics?!? It's a constant struggle to keep them sickness free. I know it's worse for cattle and pigs. Free range is just dumb.
Literally 90% of my food in the field comes from the big double arches. We send someone in to town to pick up food and bring it back. McDonalds is the best. Thank you fast food employees. I would seriously starve in the field without you.
Hawk tax. This happens a lot. You can't see but it has a rabbit. We scare up rodents and critters with the combine so they sit on power lines and wait. It's fun to watch. Shoutout to all the other farmers and ranchers on imgur.
Y'all come back now, ya hear?
aGrumpyPotato
You got my up vote right after GMOs. The rest is cherry on top.
TimeFoDat
Food companies should proudly, boldly label their products as containing GMO's & include fun facts like how many lives they've saved.
H4zardous
I generally enjoyed this post, thanks
rotinaj
so, the thing is, the idea of most genetic modification is fine, but maybe let's not be eating glyphosate? That would be cool
PirateRubberDuck
In college we did a role play debate on GMO. I tried to be against it but failed in my role. I just couldn't act that dumb.
PeterNormal
Before GMOs, a large portion of science fiction included people starving to death regularly once we hit 6 billion population. We are at 7.4
PeterNormal
people still starve, but it is a political problem, not a farming one, currently.
kingjamesversion2point0
+1 for the GMO's alone, haven't had time to read the rest yet.
engineeringcowboy
As a cattle rancher, thanks for sharing!
Mildlyupsetpancake
Ikr it's a post I can finally relate to.
brainonfire
Working on a small scale farm in Massachusetts: Getting paid to workout! Squats fo dayz
MathiasTolerain
The best anti-GMO argument I've heard is that it is really all a proxy against Monsanto in particular. Great. Then protest Monsanto. Blarg.
Dez1013
They aren't the only company but the only one that gets named. I love asking anti-GMOers about other companies
MonoDiabloLoco
Thank you, OP. Without you folks, we would all starve.
FarmerFrance
Bruh, your harvesting equipment breaks during harvest because that's the only time you use it! It shouldn't fall apart in the shop ;)
hugz
You do a physical job and feed of McDonalds 90% of the time...? Duuude.... so wrong....
MandalorianMerc13
It's cheap carbs. Besides there's a location within a few(10 or so) miles of most of our fields
hugz
You mean empty calories
webimgur
Duuuud ... so ignorant of a day's work!
hugz
I work construction and do alot of sports. Most certainly not ignorant. You are if you think mcdeez is any good. But hey.. you do you i gues
waitbutactually
Slightly relevant- SO lives and works on a mountain farm on a fjord in norway. Its like a normal farm but on a 45-60degree angle
waitbutactually
It's also the last operational mt farm on a fjord and for good reason, it's comically steep, dangerous and difficult
anotherdickat
Selective breeding is far different than inserting a gene from a bacteria into a plant. Pretending they are the same is wrong.
frisian
It isn't the same but to explain to a lay person what the goal is it is a good anology.
anotherdickat
You miss the point. There is no possible way to interbreed bacteria and soybeans. The analogy is invalid because it is literally impossible.
InconspicuousJavert
Organic farmer and rancher here. Cannot agree more on the stance of GMO.
Dez1013
You gotta be loving the organic craze now
InconspicuousJavert
It's honest work. We still support all farms and ranches thouth. Even those who use pesticides and all.
InconspicuousJavert
But yes. It's pretty crazy how many people hear 1 thing from the media and come running to us for beef.
SirAndrewMaxwellDwyer
TIL: Farming Simulator is on sale on Steam again.
richhooker
Signed in just to like this comment.
HanzDirkwell
You definitely missed the opportunity to say "Here we grow again."
MandalorianMerc13
How the hell did I not think of that...
brknsoul
I think you can actually drown in wheat.
MandalorianMerc13
You can. We don't like dive into it we just mess around on top.
Foopfoop
yeah you can. shit is no joke.
KnightsWhoSayIckyIckyIckyIckyPtangZoopBoing
Who in their right mind would do 110mph on a dirt road? I'm afraid to go over 40mph on them.
Starw1nd
Grew up on gravel in South Dakota. Fastest I went was 80 MPH once when I knew no one else would be on the road and would not do it again
MandalorianMerc13
I know! People seem to think rural areas are a lawless zone or something. I've seen way to many wrecks that happened that way.
daelith
It's because there's only one patrol car for 500 sq mi and he probably knows you or your dad.
TheBreadlord
When I was younger I once went 70km/h on a wet dirt road with a scooter that had extremely slick tires. Never again.
TheBreadlord
It was wet because it was raining and my helmet didn't have a visor. Fun times.
ThatMeantSomethingDifferentInTheNavy
I love GMO's. I love gluten. I love lamp. Thanks for your eternal battle with Mother Nature to feed my BELLY!
AbominableToaster
Do you really love lamp?
ThatMeantSomethingDifferentInTheNavy
I do indeed. I don't care WHO knows!
PirateRubberDuck
I don't get people choosing to not have gluten if it doesn't make them ill. I want a donut and they want to eat this excuse for bread?
Exousa
The irony of being surrounded by food, and yet having to get mcdonalds because you can't eat it.
FarmerFrance
Even funnier if you think about how that meat from mcDs probably isn't from or fed in the US
FarmerFrance
Fed as in his grain isn't feeding their livestock
MandalorianMerc13
Yeah dude. Like that naval poem from WW2: "water water everywhere and not a drop to drink"
OogaOogaMooshka
Why isn is Mom or Grandma making sandwiches for you guys?
MandalorianMerc13
Moms in the field usually in the combine. Grandma has her own farm. (Yes I get the joke I'm just being a dick)
WowSuchTesla
I think better education about GMOs would change opinions of a lot of people. At some point, GMOs may actually become key to our survival.
daftthoughts
What scares me about GMOs is the patenting on them and the way big companies bully smaller companies with patents and shit.
snipekill1997
The problem is without patents there wouldn't be incentive to make new GMOs. And if you are talking about the suing farmers for (1)
snipekill1997
their crops getting contaminated the origin of the myth was a guy who took some plants of his that were next to a GMO field and spraying (2)
flannelgod
Same for me. Farmers have been sued for growing patented GMO crop that was actually contaminating their organic crop.
snipekill1997
them with roundup so only the GMO ones survived and replanting those so he could get the plants without paying. (3)
daftthoughts
It's not just that, but companies who have patent control over a GMO also determine prices and licensing, which can kill smaller businesses.
snipekill1997
Oh I control how much my product costs, that sooo tragic. Yes there is the risk of a monopoly but that doesn't makes GMOs themselves worse.
OthortheCute
They already are. We domesticated wild grains in the fertile crescent. That's literally step 1 of civilization.
WowSuchTesla
You are right, but I meant that artificially modified strains of food could soon be the only ones to survive on farmlands.
FarmerFrance
Again, already there bruh
OthortheCute
I get free range is a pain, but people have kind of a visceral reaction to the tiny cramped chicken cages with no room to walk about.
MissAizea
It's very much possible to have a predator proof chicken coop/run, so long as the run is large enough, 3x3 ft per chicken
MandalorianMerc13
You don't understand- free range is more cruel to the animals too. They don't like being killed and eaten any more than they do being caged.
YouWillNotLikeThis
chickens die every day at regular chicken farms because of living conditions...
OthortheCute
Is there not a middle ground somewhere? Or am I falling for this:
?
rainbowjo
In the uk free range means they have 'access to outdoors'. Most are kept in very cramped barns and never get near the tiny outside space.
MandalorianMerc13
The image on the right is the middle ground. It's caged, that, or literally throwing them to the wolves.
OthortheCute
Is it bad I still think that the right picture looks more humane than battery cages?
MandalorianMerc13
Think what you will. The chickens don't notice. How humane it is is determined by humans.
ThePapercup
OP harvesting upvotes now
bushidopirate
but are they GMO-free upvotes? Ya bet yer ass they ain't! I genetically modified my upvotes to be resistant to downvotes
MandalorianMerc13
Let's see how good the crop is this season
fartalert
Yeah how much do the seasons differ, and how does weather effect your work?
MandalorianMerc13
The weather and the seasons ARE my work. It has to rain the right amount, at the right time, be the right temp, etc.
fartalert
Yeah cool, I assumed, just curious if you had a lot of "dead time" (idk the English expression) and what you do then
MandalorianMerc13
Not really. If we aren't harvesting or planting we are repairing stuff. And just to be helpful, "down time"
jimbobthecaveman
Ya got mine! +1
youllnevercatchmeintheact
Plus one for the GMO one. I used to breed soybeans and wheat and you nalied it with the most people who hate GMOs are idiots.
mikage
http://www.actionbioscience.org/biotechnology/sakko.html . Main problem is poor testing and control. Bio technology is a high risk area.
MisterHead
Most people are idiots, don't limit yourself to just a certain group of people.
LunaLuscus
See, I'm perfectly fine with recombining within the same species; it's when you're sticking genetics from completely unrelated organisms 1/2
LunaLuscus
into others destined to be food, without understanding the full ramifications of what that might impact that I'm wary of. Not anti-GMO, 2/3
LunaLuscus
very much against them being provided for general consumption without thorough testng.
MandalorianMerc13
And they never know WHY they hate them. That's what makes me mad.
TheMermaidQueen
Idk how ppl can stand for/against something, and not really know what they are/are not supporting. W/ how easy it is to do your own 1/?
TheMermaidQueen
research. It's not hard, but blows my mind. Esp. If you strong stance on anything, do your research, you might even be the person who 2/?
TheMermaidQueen
changes your on mind/opinion. It's happened to me. EDUCATE YO SELF FOLKS. :)
smooshiebanana
It's mostly fear and media, honestly.
MandalorianMerc13
Yeah it really is. They go together. Fear sells.
fartalert
IMO it doesnt even matter if it's healthy or not - GMO save lives. Period.
Datdudez
I'm not anti-GMO, but I am anti-Round-up Ready GMO. Golden rice style GMO's are good though.
youllnevercatchmeintheact
Why? Just curious if you know how a traited plant like you describe works.
Datdudez
increases in yield, or nutrition or decreases in input (less water/fertilizer) with similar yield = Positive.
Datdudez
glyphosate res strains have not shown significant yield increases over standard hybrids, however encourage overuse of herbicides = not a fan
BillyIsBest
I think a lot of it has to do with big companies like Monsanto being cunts. And then people hear GMO and Monsanto in the same sentence so1/2
BillyIsBest
They think GMO are inherently bad. 2/2
flippywizgig
I don't hate them, I just think that biodiversity is important. I also don't care for Monsanto's business practices.
ThePapercup
I disagree with your comment about antibiotics though- Humanities overuse of antibiotics is actually making them less effective.
MandalorianMerc13
Less effective maybe- but they are far better than nothing
flannelgod
I think the point that ThePapercup is making is that prophylactic use of antibiotics is a net harm to human health.
ThePapercup
Well, the point is that eventually that's what we'll have, nothing. Bacteria are rapidly evolving immunities to our best antibiotics
MandalorianMerc13
Perhaps... I mean I see where you're coming from, don't get me wrong, it's like crop rotation in a field. I'm just saying I disagree.
AppaNipNip
Farmers can use antibiotics (in ridiculously high doses) as growth stimulants and that's misuse IMO, but it seems weird to ban medical use
ITalkAboutGoats
without receiving residue antibiotics. Basically, it's just that. Farmers could, otherwise, just abstain from taking eggs from dosed chooks
ITalkAboutGoats
It's not really that much of a stretch. There hasn't been a whole lot of studies that suggest the length of time you can safely eat a egg 1
ITalkAboutGoats
for that amount of time, and then call them antibiotic free. But rules... smh 3
flippywizgig
Free range is less cruel than factory farming, Monsanto is an awful company, and GMOs negatively affect biodiversity.
MandalorianMerc13
You used the term "factory farm." Get your ass out of here. If you say that you clearly don't know what the jell you're talking about.
flippywizgig
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/feb/12/monsanto-sues-farmers-seed-patents
Dez1013
You are a living breathing Facebook page of idiocy aren't you?
flippywizgig
No... I get my information from a variety of sources such as science podcasts, articles and programs like Science Fridays on NPR.
flippywizgig
At least I can disagree with someone and offer an alternative view without insulting them.
flippywizgig
http://www.aspca.org/animal-cruelty/factory-farms
flippywizgig
http://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2015/challenging-evolution-how-gmos-can-influence-genetic-diversity/
SOAPBRAINMD
Plus 1 Dez1013! You go Glen Coco
flippywizgig
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/feb/12/monsanto-sues-farmers-seed-patents
AlcoholSugarSaltFat
Great post. By the way..you don't have to be lonely...
MandalorianMerc13
I will resist the temptation...
johnjacobjingleheimer
my dad is a farmer and I've never played in a truck full of wheat I have played in a truck full of corn!! Haha I can't believe some1 (1/2)
johnjacobjingleheimer
Else has done that! Thought it was just us! My dads planting corn now and the breaking down thing is so true!! I'm sending him this post!
johnjacobjingleheimer
Actually I think he's done planting by now.
MandalorianMerc13
Yeah I think with corn most people would be done but I'm not sure. Where is he?
waitingforeas
I won't... At farmers only .com!
squintish
I'm told farmersonly.com is mostly just ordinary rednecks, with few farmers and ranchers.
WitcherOfTheFoxSchool
You are correct
bigdickdalrymple
I made a fake account one time and was kicked off within 24 hrs. My username was horsefooker69.
smooshiebanana
As someone who works in the food labs, thank you for your GMO stance! Good to hear someone has a brain.
MrPredator
It's messed up at times. Feels like the anti-GMO people are like the anti-vax people. As a person wanting to go into Biotech, wtf!
troyandabedinthecommentsnights
while i agree that GMO doesnt intrinsically carry any risks, some crops get modified to be able to withstand really potent herbicides......
snowdrift
yes! thank you for this comment.
minipancho94
GMO's are great, i just have a distrust/hate boner for corporations, and assume they're up to some shady shit in some way or another.
HardyHarHeartattack
They are. Nah what do I know I'm just a fucking peasant lol
Jeepingsauce
It's a constant debate between me and my wife
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzwddfd
There is a concern that use of genetically pure GMOs can lead to a lack of disease resistance in crop populations,bc lack of heterogeneity
tikimiki
I do support GMO foods, but I don't agree that GMO's carry no risks, whether to health or environment
johnjacobjingleheimer
Yeah chipotle went non-GMO and the next thing you know everyone is getting food poisoning.. Coincidence? I think not.
snowdrift
gmo has nothing to do with food borne illnesses.
NotTheRealSource
Yes, GMO's are necassary to sustain/grow human populations. Thank you for your work.
theraininspainfallsmainlyontheplain
I know someone who claims to be allergic. Yes she is kinda crazy.
FlappinBurgers
The problem with GMOs is only in the limiting of genetic material. Bananas are all ready down to a single type, nearing extinction.
ITalkAboutGoats
*domesticated bananas, there are plenty of wild types, and plantains etc. Also, this is true of many, many fruits. They clone rather than 1
ITalkAboutGoats
breed. 2
HeWhoPours
The only thing wrong with gmo is the top companies breeding things like natural pesticides into them, creating populations of resistant 1/
HeWhoPours
2/ pests that people used to be able to control without manufactured pesticides. Also, creating all the "round-up ready" varietals and
HeWhoPours
6/ over applied everywhere. GMOd are amazing and the future of agriculture and probably human lives as well. Right now it is being used in
HeWhoPours
They're making insane amounts of money by monopolizing the seed market as well as promoting selling insane amounts of their chemicals to be
HeWhoPours
3/ other chemical resistant varieties they will be releasing in the future when weeds become resistant to round uo. This is causing a huge
HeWhoPours
2/ pests that people used to be able to control without manufactured pesticides. Also, creating all the "round-up ready" varietals and
HeWhoPours
4/ increase in application of these chemicals , which we don't know the full implications of dumping this much herbicide into the ground.
HeWhoPours
9/ End rant. tl:dr GMOs are the future, but currently being controlled by hyper wealthy companies only driven by profit
HeWhoPours
8/ brought back into universities and other institutions that aren't based solely on getting as much money as possible as fast as possible.
HeWhoPours
2/ pests that people used to be able to control without manufactured pesticides. Also, creating all the "round-up ready" varietals and
HeWhoPours
9/ End rant. tl:dr GMOs are the future, but currently being controlled by hyper wealthy companies only driven by profit
HeWhoPours
7 a horrible way by corporate interests because the barrier of entry into the field is incredibly large sums of money. It needs to be
MotherfuckinGoats
I wanna smack those 'tards that insist on non-GMO food. In essence, isn't all of our food GMO? Corn I know didn't start off like it is now.
Mistruths
Literally the only thing we consume that isn't genetically modified is water, and that's because it doesn't have any genetics to modify.
Dez1013
Exactly. Ok if you do it slowly by crossbreeding, but once a lab is in there they hate it. Morons.
MotherfuckinGoats
And I don't trust anybody who doesn't trust dogs.
MandalorianMerc13
Really. You guys' products keep us up and running.
RyeInACan
As a person who eats the food you harvest... Thanks.
nydad
Around 10 years ago, there was a lot of concern about plants sharing genetic material and mods spreading to other species. What changed?
Cormaiyn
A lot of study and scientific breakthroughs can happen in 10 months, much more so in 10 years.
nydad
well.. yeah. I was hoping someone who worked in the field could tell me what was found. I understand science moves forward.
penguin002
understanding of how Genetics work mostly.
DrTarte
Isn't the common sweet corn we all eat on a normal basis some form of gmo? Something with finding it through radiation I dunno ._.
Datdudez
Sweet corn is a hybrid, not a GMO. The seed is not regrow able as a result. Not direct genetic manipulation beyond the crossbreeding.
DrTarte
Neat
Datdudez
And by not grow-able, I mean it'll still grow into corn. It just won't be the same sweet corn you got the first time.
Killamari
The only bad part about GMOs is how certain companies try to monetize them.
fartalert
I agree. GMO isn't for us "rich kids" - it's for the poor, who die because of years of draught. Die as in dead. Not coming back. Ended.
Killamari
It's really a shame that is that arent starving focus on the 'gmo's aren't natural' thing instead of understanding how try could end hunger
fartalert
Imagine having huge crops in the middle of the desert!
AintNoHollabackGrilledCheese
Is that what Monsanto does?
Rasdwatrium
With ..what was it, 90% share on the GMO market, yes. Their contracts basically enslave the farmers.
Killamari
Yup. They make crops that are infertile, so farmers have to buy from them every year and sue people when their 'trademarked' (1)
Killamari
Strains pollinate other people's regular crops. Instead of creating resilient food to feed the world, they're focused on making money w/ GMO
ITalkAboutGoats
Aren't they just hybrid that are sterile, like many varieties? They offer benefits to balance the sterility, such as drought resistance etc
Killamari
That's what it should be. Often they're just sterile so you have to buy new seed every year.
youllnevercatchmeintheact
You sir have no idea how breeding works.
Killamari
I'm actually an ecologist! But yeah, that was a pretty simplified explanation of two different issues that I guess don't make sense togethe
frankstalloneskid
Other people with brains know that some crops are genetically modified to withstand being doused in industrial weed killer.
bushidopirate
then buy organic if you're concerned about pesticides. Don't blame GMO foods as a whole for overuse of pesticides
Dez1013
Organic still uses pesticides
ITalkAboutGoats
"natural" pesticides, which are totally safer, like arsenic and shit!
almightymakerofthings
So you have a problem with pesticides, not with GMOs?
MisterHead
Only when we unknowingly ingest them in copious quantities.
snowdrift
and runoff into water bodies and streams.
youllnevercatchmeintheact
Then you should understand how breeding works and that you are more likely to ingest that stuff from organic.
MisterHead
After 3 children, I've gotten the basics on breeding. I love the act, but the result has been somewhat of a letdown.
twerkingforsatan
Well it's the GMOs that allow the pesticides to be used like that so... somewhat both.
imgurfacepalm
without them dying. Dont ask me why ive had to do it.
imgurfacepalm
Ive gardened for over 20 years and Ive grown non GMO organic seeds and I have been able to douse my plants with pesticides many times