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Jun 8, 2025 12:03 PM
PileOfWalthers
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toogoodtomiss
Oh ffs get over yourselves. The Gov and Mayor won't handle the issue themselves and are actively encouraging the riots. ICE personnel are people also and need protection.
Dakemesh
In the interest of full disclosure, it's not going to be a quick fix. People need to know it's out there, but also that the "best" scenario will likely be trying to get discharged as a Conscientious Objector which takes time. They address it on their website: https://girightshotline.org/en/military-counseling-news-updates/if-your-conscience-troubles-you/
hydrocarbon82
I'm a big supporter of Vets where I can, but keep in mind 2/3 of them voted for Trump. There comes a time where a flying soup can is necessary.
awholelotofnothin
Right now there are 2,890,000 members of the active/reserve/national guard military. There are 300,000 federal agents /ice/dhs/FBI/Marshalls/DEA. There are 1.2 million police officers in the US. So when Trump attacks the US, he can bring approximately 4390000 troops to attack citizens. Not counting the racist militias and known terrorists who are supporting him. So at least 1.5% of the US population will violently murder under Trump's orders. Hm. How many murders will it take to silence protests
DukePhelan
Those numbers sound impressive until you take into account how big the US is. Allied forces needed 30k troops to secure Fallujah, which took six weeks and 15k combat troops and another 15k in support. Fallujah, at the time, had a population under 250k people.
kroetoj
Come on 'murica! U can do it!
CmdrAdama
If you know someone, maybe a relative or neighbour, in the national guard, reach out to them. They are conditioned to follow orders and not think about consequences. Give them this info.
toiletduk
>neighbour
JustAnotherPOG
That's weird. When I was in the military, I had mandatory annual classes on the laws of war, where disregarding unlawful orders was a core concept.
CmdrAdama
Cool, is it taken seriously, or like a tick box exercise?
JustAnotherPOG
That's going to depend on who conducts the training, but I can only comment on my own experience, where it was taken quite seriously.
CapttainKillJoy
You’re dreaming. None of them are going to bow out of what they see as their duty. They will have plenty of troops to deploy to do evil.
notificationstation
Username checks out
clonedeeznuts
The dudes i saw enlisting were the same ones waiting for this exact moment. Power trippers.
CapttainKillJoy
They can’t wait to open it up on some Liberal, immigrant, protesters. Who cares if it’s their fellow citizen? They won’t. Anybody who thinks otherwise hasn’t been paying attention to police violence 🤦🏻♂️
WeHaventMet
Dude, you can't be honest about the US military in the imgur comments section. They REALLY don't like it when you do that.
CapttainKillJoy
I know. How dare I.
Mack1986
No
CapttainKillJoy
How can you be so sure?
ontarioOT
Some will, but you're probably right in that there will be a lot of them that don't.
bivalve
The people downvoting you really have no idea what it's like in the military or how many trigger happy people enlist waiting for this exact moment. This is going to be a problem and hoping that it won't be is in fact dreaming.
CapttainKillJoy
It’s almost like this super aware group of internet activists who rail against police brutality (rightfully so), that we see much too OFTEN, believe soldiers will behave differently. Odd.
Sayagain
That's nice, but when denying an order, unlawful or not, the shitstorm and discipline that follows will pretty much end you're career, even if eventually you're proven in the right.
AshtonNight
What would be more effective is if a lot of the people ordered to do this stuff would all refuse.
superdinglebudgie
At least you are willing to stand by what's is right. Sacrificing everything for the right thing that is thinking several steps ahead.
Leithoa
As opposed to having a long successful career in spreading fascism? I don't think you thought this through.
afterdarkart
Better a dead career than a fascist. I will abandon my unit the moment I am ordered to fight my fellow citizen and actively ensure I take as many with me to fight for the right side.
Chakra5
Being moral and decent is not often easy. Are you only moral and decent when it costs you nothing? Because that is not actually moral nor decent. That's convenient.
PileOfWalthers
In a world of "I wuz just following orders" be a Hugh Thompson https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_Thompson_Jr.
MyRespectableAlterEgo
One of my personal heroes.
magichal
And here I was thinking that people who joined the military were taking personal risk to do what they believed was the right thing.
JustAnotherPOG
Taking a personal risk, sure. But the most common primary reasons I found for joining the military (over six years in the Army) were economic. That might be skewed by me enlisting during/after a big recession, but I don't think it's skewed all that much. Here's the important thing though--it doesn't matter at all why someone joins the military; it matters what they do during their time in service.
Sayagain
Nah, I was bored. This was 20 years ago, but biggest reasons I've heard are, free college, citizenship, was military or jail, escaping a shitty place. "I decided to join the military where it's safe."
TheWombatStrikesAgain
And that's under normal administrations. Trump is constantly punishing people for disobeying him, plus he did pardon rioters and war criminals.
So while I do hope lot of people will do the right thing and tell Mango Mussolini to shove it, the system is stacked against them.
LittleChickadee
How easy it it to know what "an illegal order" is in the moment, anyway? Common sense & the law rarely match up :(
Sayagain
Ope, let me just pull out da Constitution real quick Sir.
RunningDroid
For combat the clearest rule is "don't kill non-combatants", for other illegal orders things can get fuzzy and not knowing it's illegal can be a valid excuse
Neurisko
That's the problem in a nutshell. People have to choose between what's best for the country and what's best for themselves. No one wants to fall on the grenade.
Chakra5
Which is ironic, because every turning point in this country was not at ALL easy for those involved.
Chakra5
Guns are in part so worshiped on the right because it makes confrontation SEEM easy. FREEDOM ISN'T FREE. And morality & principles are build in the face of human nature, which is harsh and cruel. We have built a country of laws. It's hard fucking WORK. Do the fucking work, or loose it ALL folks. That most CERTAINLY includes the military, who must both follow orders AND understand the constitution at the same time. No mindless murderers allowed. Stand up or step down!
putcleverusernamehere
Or, one has to choose between upholding your oath to the constitution or not. If not, you are a hypocrite and never believed in it anyway, and only enlisted to kill people and the free medical
WhatAreMarijuanaTabIets
We aren't asking them to fall on a grenade. We are asking them not to lob a grenade into a crowd of protestors.
Neurisko
It's a metaphor. There will be fallout in their career if they choose to uphold their oath over their orders. I thought that was clear.
WhatAreMarijuanaTabIets
I know it's a metaphor. If their career involves harming peaceful protestors, violating the constitution, and committing crimes, then I have no sympathy for them if they choose to uphold their orders to protect that career. If they are following orders to uphold fascism, then they are fascists.
Neurisko
Yeah welcome to reality. There's plenty of corruption in our institutions and plenty of people following orders to protect their career. Every person who works for the Trump administration for example. Whistle blowers get punished. Moral people following a code of ethics get punished. Protestors get punished. Lawbreakers get rewarded. Lawbreakers get pardons. Lawbreakers get billion-dollar contracts.
VodkaReindeer
good luck rights hotline
witheredspoon
This will most likely be taken down by the dictatorship soon.
normalityimpaired
Why would they? It's a solid tip line for catching whistleblowers. Damn it, I wish I was being sarcastic. I DO hope that tip line survives and is only used in its intended and specified-by-title purpose.
Chakra5
Then repost it
cuckatruck
Think they ment the number itself
TheWhiteBarry
Who runs that hotline? What do they actually do? How is this not just an obvious trap to catch dissidents?
PileOfWalthers
Alright, "digital native", you people are why I have a well-paying, cushy job: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GI_Rights_Network
TheWhiteBarry
I don't know what you're trying to say but it sounds like you've made a lot of bad assumptions to get there. I was genuinely asking but everyone on here is just waiting to pounce on anyone or anything they perceive as a threat, fucking wild.
PileOfWalthers
I’m saying you’re too fucking stupid to use google.