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According to Welt’s sources, Beijing is asking its European partners if they support its involvement in such an initiative.
China’s participation in the “coalition of the willing” could help Russia reconsider its attitude towards a peacekeeping force on Ukrainian territory, the paper wrote.
But this step remains “delicate” and requires a cautious approach, it added.
The prospect of using peacekeepers from countries such as India and China has been raised before, but is usually dismissed by security experts.
https://www.kyivpost.com/post/49416
China 'turns on Putin' as calls grow for Beijing to invade Russia. Chinese nationalists are calling for Russia to return land they claim was stolen by the Kremlin in the 19th century.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1994362/china-turns-on-putin-beijing-russia
ClaudBalls
Fun!
Skizmo
China has an army that is falling apart from corruption.
Mcknizzle
Of course they are. It’s the perfect void for them to step into. Trump made it SUPER easy for them to rise up further. Both Biden and Obama had excellent plans for keeping them constrained, but Trump has cleared a path by calling into question every commitment we have.
AWarningToOthers
This would be a huge power move for China and could strengthen relation with Europe and rub American's nose in that fact they have impenitently done little to resolve the issue. It would increase their reputation as a world power.
OliverOtter
So obviously there's some part of Baikal nerpa seals that supposedly cures impotence and promotes longevity, if they're so brazenly asking for the lake this early.
PointlessNips
What fucking timeline is this!?!?
ToSisPoS
“Just give us a little Taiwan in exchange thanks :3”
HelikaformerNubisKnight9
Said it for years: China with 1,5 billion people surely would like to take a bite out of Russias east if Russia ever give it the chance to do so.
historycat
This is the point in the history books just before the maps get arrows all over them.
SocoFox
I've been saying it for years now... We are in the "Events leading to.." chapters of the history books.
ireallydontthinkso
while russia could not defend against an invasion, lets not forget they still have nukes and some of them may even work.
their doctrine is very clear on a case like that.
Dissipo
Don’t assume China would do this in good faith. They’d use it to gain a foothold in Europe.
decamping
There is precedent. Check out how China controlled Aksai Chin (actually China scuttled a potential alliance with India through this)... and the northeast territory is more valuable than the Himalayan border. But China needs allies for legitimacy and its southern strategy, which is more important to it. Taking from Russia would make taking Taiwan more difficult.
Columbus43219
There were two movies, "The Day After (1983)" and "Threads (1984)" that have a nuclear war near the middle. Both of them have the news as kind of background noise in the first half. Then as the tension builds, you hear the news more clearly and people start paying attention. This article would have been right at home around 45 minutes into either movie.
mindstorm8191
I watched a video about the relation between Russia & China. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOnBf4xxkKw There's a river in Serbia that China wants, which would let them ship goods to the world without going around Korea, Japan or Taiwan.
As I understand it, China helped Russia in Ukraine in exchange for getting more control of that river. China has been threatening Taiwan as a cover for their other operations.
TheMurderousCricket
Let russia send their own peacekeepers but only under the condition that they are equipped with Pinto-class Cybertrucks.
Elkarlo77
Don't bash on the Cybertrucks. They would be resaonable well for Russian Vehicles: No Fuel to sell to Locals for Vodka, burn as often as a normal ICE does, are Splinterproof and can provide bidirectional Charging so power for your Local Grid when the Diesel is again sold by your commander. So as long as you don't drive in it, it is a great shiny Powerstation. Which depletes itself by 10% over night for heating the battery. Still better as Chinese Combat Golfcarts, as it needs direct hits.
FlintNorth44
Everyone will hate this, but if true, this is a better scenario for the Allies. The Axis (US, Rus, N. Korea) have nukes. The Allies in the coming war need more nukes to keep Neo-Axis from firing nukes by matching the amount of devastation.
ActionJohnnie
Gotta add Japan in there to get the full historical effects.
FlintNorth44
Japan has had their time with dreams of power. US will have to learn that lesson.
ActionJohnnie
If I recall correctly, Japan did not learn their lesson easily.
Isosyn
Been saying this for years. China has such a strong need for fresh water, it's going to use the bad blood history of Russia annexing Manchuria and its current weakness as casus belli to take it back and at the very least get substantial access to lake Baikal.
Tuidjy
Russia is weak, because
- many of its soldiers are conscripts who do not think they should be fighting the war.
- many of the officers are completely incompetent, as they only come in contact with yes-men
- most of the equipment has been raided by anyone who could. And that's many!
How many of the above do you think are just as true of China?
Isosyn
It has also substantially expended a growing proportion of its armour reserves. Several rarified and irreplaceable equipment platforms have been destroyed and the remainders are committed to the Ukrainian front. The populations of the areas being targeted by China have already been tapped as conscripts against Ukraine. Some of the remaining population probably have Chinese sympathies. Even if China has all the weaknesses you listed, it doesn't have the ones I've added.
Hrafna55
I was waiting for this. Russia has burnt the vast majority of its men, money and material in Ukraine. Not a chance in hell they could stop China's conventional forces now. Only the threat of nukes holds them back.
NOINITIATIVE
Do you really think China will give back any lands or resources taken in Eastern Russia?
DisconnectedFromWhatIOnceEmbraced
We’re in World War III aren’t we? 💔
CleverGroom
My sense for the last few years has been that we're probably in the "Pre-war events" section on the forthcoming Wikipedia article.
On the other hand, I worry that's too optimistic: The nuclear powers will prey on nuclear have-nots and countries of good faith but limited military power--most of Europe, for starters--will make dismayed noises as mass migration, rearmament, and foreign meddling tear their politics apart. There won't be any great Alliance set against the Axis this time.
Noodlesocks
I think Europe needs to step up it's own capacity for defence and security with minimal outside support but if the US has no interest in co-operation, it is only expected that we look elsewhere for it.
meergull
Pff, China nationalists want to invade the whole Asia, they are retarded like that
WhyCantIStopArguingWithInternetTrolls
I saw a clip of a MAGA idiot claiming DJT is a genius who plays the long game, and i audibly laughed. He is currently blowing up the world order to make himself "look tough" meanwhile that leaves other countries wondering whether Team America World Police will be there for them, leaving the door wide open for China to swoop in with that soft power they have been building for years. That is the long game, not starting a trade war with your closest ally and trading partner.
DidItForScience
I wouldn't trust them in the slightest.
orangeyougladididntsaypoop
Fuck it. Im in. Just get some peace going
MoschopsUK
China doesn't have allies; it has temporary agreements. I am surprised it's taken this long for China to start making noises about taking over pieces of Russia. They certainly looked like they were going to take all of Bolshoy Ussuriysky Island not so long ago.
TheWombatStrikesAgain
If they're making noise about it, they're either getting stupid or they see their goal almost within reach.
BeardicPerformance
Every country has temporary agreements. The second betrayal is more valuable than an alliance (internationally and domestically), every government will break it.
The problem with the US here isn’t just that they broke their word (though that will have FAR reaching consequences), it’s that they betrayed countries that were WAY more valuable as allies in order to sidle up with countries that will get far more value out of betraying them than remaining allies.
mudlark
TBF China does have a pretty good track record of honoring treaty agreements, unlike some other global powers... plenty of things to criticize about China, don't get me wrong, but they're actually fairly reliable on that front. I wonder if that'll benefit them, long term...
1eventHorizon9
People forget but Russia and China have violently skirmished over territorial claims in the past. They are allies of convenience, they don't really like each other. Beijing is aware that their erstwhile ally is weak and treacherous. With Donnie Dipshit torching the American global order that America built because he is a stupid fucking narcissistic traitor, that leaves the door wide open for China to start further flexing their international muscle.
IAmTheBadW01f
China would really like to be able to sell military technology to their friendly neighbor to the north without worrying about circumventing Western sanctions to do it. I'm sure they're also annoyed about the broad global support for Ukraine setting a precedent that could come to play in Taiwan.
rshini
Let's not forget there's still lingering resentment over the Russo-Sino split as Mao bucked Soviet-style ideology for one with China has the leader of The Glorious Wordwide Communist revolution (even when neither the USSR or China are truly communist)
BeardicPerformance
Also China would LOVE to step into the spot the USA just vacated at the top of the geopolitical hierarchy. They’re not gonna get that cozying up to Russia, but making friends with Europe…?
I’m just saying that Europe, China, and Japan wouldn’t be the weirdest lineup for the good guy team we’ve ever seen in a World War.
captainhappen
"violently skirmished" is a bit of an understatement
muliphen
Real-life Risk is a helluva game.
ActionJohnnie
You got that Sam Kinison in Back to School sound in my head.
1eventHorizon9
Shit thanks, that is a comparison that feels like a fucking honor. I watched Sam Kinison as a kid. I know what I'll be watching tomorrow after work. Nostalgia time.
ActionJohnnie
RadicalRecluse
ding ding ding. we're all going to be belt and road debtors soon enough.
NKato
Honestly, China would be a much more credible entity if they decided to invade Russia like right fucking now.
poundingCode
“Allies of convenience” sounds like dating these days
woozle
the US has proven to be unreliable. I can totally understand them spreading soft power. I have zero animosity to China
BendOverAndIllShowYa
Fuck that. Totalitarian state with eyes on increasing its global power. US has had problems and what it’s facing now is disastrous for the world’s safety and stability, but China would be much much worse. Like a lot worse.
woozle
I disagree on the level of threat or that China is some sort of adversary.
BendOverAndIllShowYa
Fair enough.
Stefnos
China has camps for ... brainwashing children; "reeducating" men; rapeing and sterilaising women, if they are of the wrong type..... soo yea.... China is an adversary of basic human rights
Piano440
Tell that to Taiwan
rshini
You're a naive little idiot if you think China isn't a threat, aside from their constant line-stepping on Taiwan, they've been getting various nations in Africa and the pacific utterly reliant on them economic-wise, and Xi is going to want a nice distraction of a big land annexation.
SheepySleepySmuggler
My money's on Chinese peacekeepers going from keeping the peace to trading Ukrainian land for Russian oil and fighting Ukrainians.
BeardicPerformance
I honestly doubt that. China is much more likely to send in a bunch of peacekeepers that just so happen to never be in the area where the bombs are falling while pumping in a fuckton of cash loans that tie Ukraine economically to China for the long haul.
SheepySleepySmuggler
You're arguing the Chinese will extort Ukraine, I'm arguing China will continue to support Russia in exchange for cheap energy. Fundamentally, China will look to benefit from the peacekeeping arrangements to Ukraine's detriment.
BeardicPerformance
Of course they will. I have no doubt of that. I just think their interests align more with Europe than with Russia right now.
Side with Europe and they secure wealthy trading partners, international credibility, and maybe even get to grab up some Russian land and resources.
Side with Russia and they get… oil? Vodka? Some cheap energy that they already have tons of from their massive dams?
Piano440
Where do your aligiance lie? "The highest bidder"
TheWombatStrikesAgain
This would be a terrible place for them to fight anyone, given they'd completely depend on another country for the logistics. If anything, they'll trade land, information, or ressources. Though not necessarily to Russia.
In the context of their expansion plans, and provided the correct diplomatic approach, this could also be a way to tell non-ethnic Russian parts of Russia "We'll be there if you need help."
KCB1986
I think it’s more complex than that. It is true that China receives nearly 20% of its crude from Russia as of 2024; however, China wants to expand its influence and hegemony far beyond the Pacific. Acting as a “peace keeper” in Ukraine can potentially warm relations with the European west, filling the humanitarian role the U.S. often filled. This would give China the opportunity to use its hard power flex to be a major player. Would Ukraine benefit from it? No as China would see Ukraine as a…
KCB1986
Dependent state similar to Africa and other countries roped into the belt and road initiative. Europe would appreciate it at first but likely regret their buy in the years that follow as they made a deal with a nation that plays the long game. Russia would feel slighted but can’t lose face or its main importer of crude, making them take the L while simultaneously claiming it as victory. The U.S. would feel absolutely sidelined, placing the final nail in the coffin of its hyperpower status. The…
KCB1986
One thing I cannot stress enough is this move would officially put us back in a multipolar world, something we have not seen since WW2. After that, I can’t make any further predictions.
TheWombatStrikesAgain
I don't think Europe will let it come so far as to let Ukraine slip into Chinese economic dependency. They've put a lot of money for its defense and rebuilding.
I think the diplomatic/propaganda angle will be more important for China. Convince Europe they can replace the US (in some ways) as a partner.