There were other, quicker music typewriters. This one was primarily marketed towards music schools and publishing houses for making master copies. This is mine, displayed separately from its base.
This style of typewriter was never widely used. instead, most music was printed using moveable type at first, then plate engraving, lithography, or other technology that was suitable for mass printing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_engraving
oh yeah, the introduction of computer software for typesetting music was a huge game-changer. I still remember with great pain manually scratching my music homework and research papers with pencil and white-out in the early 80s. Now, Finale makes it seem like magic.
Fun fact: a lot of musical symbols were created because this process is such a pain in the ass. Repeat signs, bracket endings, DS al Coda, DS al Fine, etc.
Even when I was in school while learning to write it by hand I was faster than this. I guess some institution does require perfect precision, maybe for copyright registration?
I mean, look carefully at the video, this is just a demonstration but you can see the person is in an awkward position and also doing it slow on purpose to show how it works, if you actually use this thing and have practice I'm sure you would go way faster than this, you probably can reach regular writing speed with no issues
According to the marketing for a different music typewriter, with a bit of practice you could write fairly quickly. Even if it takes slightly longer, a music typewriter is still useful because writing by hand for long periods of time is uncomfortable, plus some people (like Beethoven and Chopin) just have bad handwriting so the results are hard to read.
The original video without music. https://youtu.be/uctqHxzkNYI?si=nHrrt3w_uezHzDNLHzDNL">https://youtu.be/uctqHxzkNYI?si=nHrrt3w_uezHzDNLa> https://musicprintinghistory.org/keaton-music-typewriter/
If Moonlight Sonata playing on a gif of sheet music being made is wrong, I don’t want to be right (slight /s cause click-clacky sounds would have been great, but…Moonlight Sonata is great)
The Piano Sonata No. 14 in C-sharp minor, marked Quasi una fantasia, Op. 27, No. 2, is a piano sonata by Ludwig van Beethoven, completed in 1801 and dedicated in 1802 to his pupil Countess Julie "Giulietta" Guicciardi. Although known throughout the world as the Moonlight Sonata (German: Mondscheinsonate), it was not Beethoven who named it so. The name grew popular later, likely long after Beethoven's death. — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piano_Sonata_No._14_(Beethoven)
Damn right. Ideally only listen to all 3 movements.
1st - "moonlight-like" due to its soft, sustained dynamics.
2nd - slightly playful contrasting the quiet intensity of the 1st
3rd - FUCKING JAM OUT. I "air piano" this part and never get enough. Totally a dramatic outburst of storm-like energy compared to the hypnotic and morose 1st and upbeat 2nd.
To add, it's about the loss of love. 1st evokes that loss and anguish, 2nd is looking back at that love and all the happy times, 3rd is the explosion of anger and frenzied madness over it all.
And early copies of these fairy tales had comments from the monks in the margins that often mocked the stories, and we're full of typos and corrections.
Absolutely. Plus the thing isn't even going to draw beams for you either, so the end result is going to look awkward. You'd have to go back over it with a pen to fill it all out. Might as well save yourself the time and write it all by hand to begin with. It's way faster.
The point here is neatness, and I--as I'm sure many do--appreciate the effort that goes into making scores actually legible. I don't want to squint at chicken scratch for a solo sonata, let alone when conducting an orchestra.
I am more familiar with physics stuff. Back before digital layouts, when you wanted to make a graph or a neat formula, you used stencils for the numbers, labels and formula symbols. I imagine these also existed for notes.
They did and do. However, people who are trying to write *fast* are often not using stencils, because that... slows you down. You could argue that someone could write quickly with stencils, just as I could argue that someone could type on a mechanical device quickly, and we end up in the same place. Regardless of whether or not people *could* produce sheet notation both quickly and legibly is an argument which doesn't change the reality that there is a lot of music which is very hard to read.
It's really not that hard to write perfectly legible sheet music by hand. I had to study it myself. You just have to care while you're doing it. This is a machine for monkeys.
It is, but it was also mostly obsolete when it was invented too. Digital has solved a butt-ton of problems inherent in automating music notation. The biggest issue is that the spacing of notes needs to be somewhat elastic for proper legibility (unless it's a score). This machine doesn't do any of that. Digital also allows you to transpose on the fly, which is handy for monkeys who don't know what key to write the brass in.
As someone that's both left handed and has several pins and such in my wrist and arm, I can sometimes read my own handwriting if I squint real had and pray to the right old gods...
ckmnstr
Would have been faster just to print it out /s
AncientTerror
I use Sibelius.
NightOwlRally
Meanwhile I was wondering why it wasn't making the sound.
...Like the note. God I need sleep
ITellBadPuns
Noted.
EyestalkDeepInADalek
There were other, quicker music typewriters. This one was primarily marketed towards music schools and publishing houses for making master copies. This is mine, displayed separately from its base.
greggbert
This has got to be the most awful way humans ever invented to convey information.
sh17picker69000420
Where the fuck is the home position on that keyboard?
willpostanything
Music sheet for Dragonforce : The Game
WickedClever
That seems unnecessarily tedious.
graffglobal9
..... I can't believe that I never considered how it was done before. Huh.
nik282000
@elbowdeepinahorse
jermprobably
This was exactly what I was about to do too lol
ChickenChickenBurningBright
This style of typewriter was never widely used. instead, most music was printed using moveable type at first, then plate engraving, lithography, or other technology that was suitable for mass printing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_engraving
VodkaReindeer
How it's done on a computer according to this youtube video I just found: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQe5K-2XmZg
ChickenChickenBurningBright
oh yeah, the introduction of computer software for typesetting music was a huge game-changer. I still remember with great pain manually scratching my music homework and research papers with pencil and white-out in the early 80s. Now, Finale makes it seem like magic.
whatwhenwherewhyhowwho
Did somebody take notes for this?
hotrodny
Nowadays there are laser printers
TheFishFace
On a computer, nowadays
manhands
Fuck, I want one of these as a decoration.
ThatsAGreatStoryIdLikeToHearItSometimeByeBye
What’s the longest English word you can type on the type row of a typewriter?
ThatsAGreatStoryIdLikeToHearItSometimeByeBye
TYPEWRITER
BooRidley
Fun fact: a lot of musical symbols were created because this process is such a pain in the ass. Repeat signs, bracket endings, DS al Coda, DS al Fine, etc.
drummergirl16
Just like in math, symbols were created because smart people are lazy!
NepLeet
A typewriter, for music, MusicWriter: https://musicprintinghistory.org/musicwriter/
AdoraApplesauceMeowmeow
Even when I was in school while learning to write it by hand I was faster than this. I guess some institution does require perfect precision, maybe for copyright registration?
Sheldonian
I mean, look carefully at the video, this is just a demonstration but you can see the person is in an awkward position and also doing it slow on purpose to show how it works, if you actually use this thing and have practice I'm sure you would go way faster than this, you probably can reach regular writing speed with no issues
TheNLK
I mean.. Yes, but also making a perfect master than scanning it so you can make infinite perfect copies is probably the real reason.
RottenFairyMeat
According to the marketing for a different music typewriter, with a bit of practice you could write fairly quickly. Even if it takes slightly longer, a music typewriter is still useful because writing by hand for long periods of time is uncomfortable, plus some people (like Beethoven and Chopin) just have bad handwriting so the results are hard to read.
LenWeirdracin
zeacorzeppelin10
The original video without music. https://youtu.be/uctqHxzkNYI?si=nHrrt3w_uezHzDNLHzDNL">https://youtu.be/uctqHxzkNYI?si=nHrrt3w_uezHzDNLa>
https://musicprintinghistory.org/keaton-music-typewriter/
Kensidian
If Moonlight Sonata playing on a gif of sheet music being made is wrong, I don’t want to be right (slight /s cause click-clacky sounds would have been great, but…Moonlight Sonata is great)
zeacorzeppelin10
The original video talks about how the musical typewriter works.
smashole
What song is playing in the background?
ExTechOp
The Piano Sonata No. 14 in C-sharp minor, marked Quasi una fantasia, Op. 27, No. 2, is a piano sonata by Ludwig van Beethoven, completed in 1801 and dedicated in 1802 to his pupil Countess Julie "Giulietta" Guicciardi. Although known throughout the world as the Moonlight Sonata (German: Mondscheinsonate), it was not Beethoven who named it so. The name grew popular later, likely long after Beethoven's death.
— https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piano_Sonata_No._14_(Beethoven)
MagnumRadhard
Resident Evil puzzle.
secondgoaround
Sandstorm- Da Rude (because I haven’t seen that commented in a while)
unluckyandbored
Beethoven's Moonlight Sonata, First Movement.
JCBalance
We've had first movement, but what about second movement?
unluckyandbored
Sure, here you go. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Lpf4AQSLCg
Eyhlix
Moonlight Sonata
iLoveItWhenMyFingersSmellLikePussy
First movement. It's such a drag and so over used.. Third movement is where it's at!
16bitStarbuck
Damn right. Ideally only listen to all 3 movements.
1st - "moonlight-like" due to its soft, sustained dynamics.
2nd - slightly playful contrasting the quiet intensity of the 1st
3rd - FUCKING JAM OUT. I "air piano" this part and never get enough. Totally a dramatic outburst of storm-like energy compared to the hypnotic and morose 1st and upbeat 2nd.
https://youtu.be/4Tr0otuiQuU
16bitStarbuck
To add, it's about the loss of love. 1st evokes that loss and anguish, 2nd is looking back at that love and all the happy times, 3rd is the explosion of anger and frenzied madness over it all.
smashole
UncomfortablePotato33
It’s a beautiful song
Eyhlix
Anytime!
16bitStarbuck
Do yourself a favor and listen to the entire song. Most aren't even aware of the 2nd and 3rd movements. (3rd is a fucking JAM. Trust.)
https://youtu.be/4Tr0otuiQuU
smashole
16bitStarbuck
banjak
Do you have to use special note paper?
4etherling
I use guitar pro and 8x11 of any type.
IfILikeYourJokeITellYou
Ugh okay I like your joke. But I'm not happy about ut
Lovethesmelloftoastedsourdoughbread
Zetor
drduffer
Excellent!
Here: ⬆️
smashole
PacMan4Life
straha242
In case I need to learn it quickly, is there a Clef's notes?
my2micmacs
*eyeroll* *snicker* Here's ur up vote. *giggle* *sigh*
AdoraApplesauceMeowmeow
Just a paper with pre-printed pentagram in place of standard lines or squares
PacMan4Life
FlashHardwood
Yeah... "Note" paper
DrDadJokes
it was not A major issue
celestedrake
But it does need to B Flat.
YippeeKayakOB
Bobbobbobobbananafanafobob
E's sharp innie?
Eselta
Give it Rest you three.
bshodokai
Puns are not my Forte
peeopeepeee
That looks like a right pain in the ass for an 18 minute orchestral piece with all sections and several solos
PedroBenecol
They used to engrave these by hand, so... yeah.
vegivamp
I don't think they ever engraved music...
PedroBenecol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvyoKdW-Big
ChicanoBatman
It took the monastery monks 15 months to copy a single Bible before the Guttenburg press in 1455.
SlightlyDodgy
And early copies of these fairy tales had comments from the monks in the margins that often mocked the stories, and we're full of typos and corrections.
AdoraApplesauceMeowmeow
Now imagine you're at the last measure on the back of a two-side sheet and you made a typo. Scratch it an start over again
IrrelevantHandle
Nah, they had correction tape
jimjong1
I know some typewriters had a backspace option that scraped the ink off the page, I have no clue about the music version though
ApothecaryGrant
Absolutely. Plus the thing isn't even going to draw beams for you either, so the end result is going to look awkward. You'd have to go back over it with a pen to fill it all out. Might as well save yourself the time and write it all by hand to begin with. It's way faster.
EyestalkDeepInADalek
It can do beams.
PowerOfChoice
The point here is neatness, and I--as I'm sure many do--appreciate the effort that goes into making scores actually legible. I don't want to squint at chicken scratch for a solo sonata, let alone when conducting an orchestra.
ThisGostakIsHereForTheDoshes
I am more familiar with physics stuff. Back before digital layouts, when you wanted to make a graph or a neat formula, you used stencils for the numbers, labels and formula symbols. I imagine these also existed for notes.
PowerOfChoice
They did and do. However, people who are trying to write *fast* are often not using stencils, because that... slows you down. You could argue that someone could write quickly with stencils, just as I could argue that someone could type on a mechanical device quickly, and we end up in the same place. Regardless of whether or not people *could* produce sheet notation both quickly and legibly is an argument which doesn't change the reality that there is a lot of music which is very hard to read.
ApothecaryGrant
It's really not that hard to write perfectly legible sheet music by hand. I had to study it myself. You just have to care while you're doing it. This is a machine for monkeys.
Malkiot
I'd imagine that this is an obsolete machine. Digital and then print seems way easier.
ApothecaryGrant
It is, but it was also mostly obsolete when it was invented too. Digital has solved a butt-ton of problems inherent in automating music notation. The biggest issue is that the spacing of notes needs to be somewhat elastic for proper legibility (unless it's a score). This machine doesn't do any of that. Digital also allows you to transpose on the fly, which is handy for monkeys who don't know what key to write the brass in.
KaptainObveeus
as a monkey I appreciate this machine
ThatsAGreatStoryIdLikeToHearItSometimeByeBye
Is this the typewriter that the million monkeys type out the complete works of Shakespeare on? (I know that ends in a preposition.)
nerdyvet
It's not hard to write perfectly legible script either, and yet here we are. In a world filled with illegible hand writing.
SilentShift
As someone that's both left handed and has several pins and such in my wrist and arm, I can sometimes read my own handwriting if I squint real had and pray to the right old gods...