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While speaking about refugees and how we should support them, no one mentions the increased rates of crime, rape, and violent assaults that follow them. It's also impossible for all of them to properly assimilate(not saying that they should abandon their culture, but many of these places have quite frankly barbaric practises that people believed, not all of them but enough). If you took a bunch of heavy Conservatives from the deep south and relocated a few hundred thousand of them to Iran within a sort period of time and demand they assimilate and follow the laws of the land it would work out about as well as it did for Germany. Not saying that something shouldn't be done about the crisis, but a country should be more concerned about its own citizens safety first, not other counties citizens.
sillysartre
But, Germany isn't destroying itself.
BayazTheBenevolent
@OP are you German yourself? Really curious why you think our country is destroying itself. We have it so much better than most right now...
hitshappens
If you look at imaginary statistics...yes. If you look at real statistics, Immigrants commit crimes at a lower rater than German citizens
Awhaleandabowlofpetunias
It's the same in the US, too.
ShadowbanMyAss
you obviously know nothing about the situation over there. they actually need them.
luukzs666luukzs
As a german who says OP is bullshitting, please tell me why we would actually need them? because that is blatantly untrue as well...
ShadowbanMyAss
you need them because in 20y time you will have very few people to participate in your capitalist society. that and refugees are the best
ShadowbanMyAss
immigrants there are. i'd rather have a million refugees in my country than 100k immigrants. they are more thankful.
flarflarf
when you find yourself saying "Lets not allow women, children or even orphans into our country because maybe something bad might happen" 1/2
WeHaveHeardTheChimesAtMidnight
Well, in Germany children and women made circa 10 % of all the "Refugees", who are often not even from Syria.
HOOMANGUY
A) Because 2000 Miles on foot generally is nothing you want to do with children. B) family yield is mostly forbitten now so they wont come
flarflarf
that's when you need to look yourself in the mirror and ask yourself when you became such a goddamn coward.
LiamCheeseVillain
Speaking of refugees: Complete scaremongering shite, you speak.
YogSoth0th
Proper use of the meme with an explanation of your views. Doesn't matter whether or no I agree, this deserves an upvote.
tannhauser1
SexDrugsBirdsandRocknRoll
This user created their account on February 9th, 2017, and has only interacted on this post. Just an observation that might contribute.
Imaxilian
Stating non-facts is not an opinion. As an example, I live a happy life here in germany, which for sure does pretty good as a country.
ITradeNewds
Do you not know what an opinion is?
jmulderr
I dunno. Bear is OK, but then he says false things about crime stats in Germany with no sauce. If he can post, he can google. Bear < lazy.
honestb
I am so relieved at how reasonable and sensible Germans seem to be compared to Americans about this issue.
BossCar9
Fear is the most powerful tool.
stitzl
As a German, I can give you insight on why that opinion is so unpopular: It is based on pure bullshit.
jeppsson
As a Swede I am always told by people that have never been to Sweden, that I simply dont understand how horrible it is in Sweden now...
questionableanswers
As another german: Yup. And funfact: Less than 1% of crimes by immigrants are sexual in nature (meaning not only rape but all kinds)
GreaterDog
I only see these types of things on self-described British tabloids. I have 18 peer-reviewed articles showing that US immigrants commit (1)
GreaterDog
less crimes than US citizens. This is anecdotal bullshit and unsourced "news" drumming up fear. Now our president is doing the same. (2)
questionableanswers
It isn't the first big wave of refugees germany took in in recent times either. During the Yugo Wars germany took in 100s of thousands 1/2
questionableanswers
while already trying to deal with the reunification and the costs of integration an entire nation into your own. 2/2
phoenixsphinx
Also the Turkish immigration now ever more Kurds are asking for asylum and we need to help them too against erdowahn
GreaterDog
Is that the "Drumpf" version of Erdogan? Or just a different spelling?
questionableanswers
wahn = delusion in german. Just a wordplay on the little anatolian dictator.
SincerePlatypus
I live in germany and I constantly meet refugees, as they live close to me. They want to learn german and even have a job.
coparfaol2
I lived in Germany until recently. This past year you could see the issues. Stats or no.
dangerousDoc
Stats are fine but can also be fudged this is why people should seek multiple different sources on stats to filter information
Cocacoladinosaur
Germany here. We're doing fine, thank you very much. You should come over to get some decent education.
Katguin
As a German: if someone is destroying us it is not the refugees but the hateful propaganda against them and the growing shift to the right
GernotByWoodPC
Im german and i cant say that we did everything rigt during the last year. But we are far from how we get presented in foreign media imo.
SherMattLockSmith
Question @OP, can you point to any statistically significant increase in said crimes in the USA during any period of increased refugees 1/2
GeorgeLucasWillBurnInHellForEpisodeOne
No, he can't because that's made up fearmongering bullshit
GreaterDog
Statistics show 1st-gen immigrants have lower crime rates than US citizens. Pastebin of 17 sources, most peer-reviewed, in reply (1)
GreaterDog
http://pastebin.com/601r8AVM (2)
SherMattLockSmith
2/2 and being caused definitively by said refugees? I am all for objective fact based policies, and am interested if there are any here.
Trollhydra
I looked into this for the US, refugees commit far lower crime and have higher employment then US citizens. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
TotallyNotSarah
And 10 in the cities most populated by refugees in the US, the crime rate has dropped in 9.
Trollhydra
Yeah it's almost like we have a very extreme vetting process or something - Something we can't say for locals.
TotallyNotSarah
Correlation does not equal causation but it really doesn't help OPs case here when the stats point to the exact opposite.
3dfeldt
Hm.. I went to germany on a tour with my band while the 'refugee crisis' had its peak. Went all across the country, and it wasn't as bad (1)
3dfeldt
as portrayed in the media. And Refugees don't bring crime, it's statistical fact. But u do have the right to disagree with facts, I guess.
systemiclupus
well i would like to see those statistiks. Cause we didn´t have any terrorism since the RAF. But now since 2015 we had Berlin/Ansbach 1/2
systemiclupus
and Würzburg not counting the sexual offences and elevated number of dangerous people affeliated with muslim extremists. And somehow I 2/3
systemiclupus
don´t believe that this is coincidence.
BayazTheBenevolent
Actually no, you don't. You can't disagree with facts, what is this the White House?
crankyoldgeezer
Destroying itself?!? That's a gross exageration
dingens
No, it's an outright lie.
riffifi
https://g.redditmedia.com/2yAg46vL084tDCzg_i1mHYlOORgewKF1KeIBP_Le7EA.gif?w=320&s=31e9d219393cf53f61458ae859c580a0
crankyoldgeezer
Sort of funny that people who never travel abroad seem to be preoccupied with the health & safety in Germany or Sweden, etc..
flarflarf
"Not saying that something shouldn't be done about the crisis, but let's not allow war orphans in because something bad might happen."
dangerousDoc
War orphans make up less than 10% of the refugees majority are middle aged men
flarflarf
Yeah but we wont even let the war orphans in. Or mothers with children whose fathers have died.
flarflarf
imgur: downvoting simple facts since 2002
flarflarf
not sure why this is being downvoted, it's an accurate summary of the OP
StrivingForEvil
As a Brit I can confirm Germany is the powerhouse of Europe, far from being destroyed!
WeHaveHeardTheChimesAtMidnight
These powerhouse burns the wealth, security and heritage of the "simple man". As a German I understand the Brexit voting.
StrivingForEvil
As someone who visits the US often, reluctantly, I'm astounded by the lvl of naivety & ignorance among many of you. Not all but many.
kfigs
TIL Germany = mitochondria
kozac
Danke to all germans calling out this propaganda BS. Same thing was said in my country when the italians or the portuguese came for work.
WeHaveHeardTheChimesAtMidnight
In Germany we had also italien working migrants a while ago. You can not compare them with moslems. Its bad, but it will get worse.
ChicagoStyleDotHog
Germany is not destroying itself. Your 'unpopular opinion' is predicated off of lies and propaganda. Please cite your sources.
itzhope
Here's my source you fucking swine https://www.google.com/amp/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/36882445?client=safari
itzhope
INAM SMOKING ON THAT GAS YOU CANT FUCKING SEE ME BITCH
MyPalmsSpaghettiKneesWeakArmsSpaghettiTheresVomitOnMySpaghetti
http://imgur.com/2XQjjBA
xenathewarriorprincesswashot
Destroying itself: Becoming an even STRONGER economy despite all the "influx" of refugees. Oh wait, they are being sold as slaves to Turkey.
Litten
Alternative facts.
IronicUsername
Notice it's a brand new account with no other posts or comments. It's another of many alt-right spam accounts.
ITradeNewds
Not to burst your bubble but maybe he didn't want his unpopular opinion to be linked to his personal account...
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IronicUsername
That's not what I said but keep being a victim.
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gandraw
You used this http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Moral_equivalence which is generally a dumb way to make a point.
CritterJoe
Given how imgur is a leftwing bully, I dont blame @OP...
WeHaveHeardTheChimesAtMidnight
https://imgur.com/6HvuNmE.gif
storebrandproductmascot
Breitbart, Breitbart, and Breitbart.
ChicagoStyleDotHog
Breitbart, Breitbart, aaaaaaaaaaaaaand Breitbart.
ronthebaconmanswanson
Don't forget info wars and breitbart
ndrewtran
What about the feeling in your gut? Can you cite that as a source?
immygirlfriendsfirst
chroniclunacy
MyPalmsSpaghettiKneesWeakArmsSpaghettiTheresVomitOnMySpaghetti
What about "Muh saviour, Mr. Presidoughnut said so"?
Gehirnspaghetti
Fun fact fitting for the theme: Immigration is what made the economic miracle of post World War 2 Germany possible in the first place. We...
Gehirnspaghetti
...literally had multiple policies with multiple countrys in place to make work immigration easier. Without those workers, Germany...
Gehirnspaghetti
...Wouldn't be close to being the leading economic force in Europe at all. And I do not think that a country where a BIG part of...
Gehirnspaghetti
...Population already is a second or third generation immigrant would be stupid enough NOT to include people. Also: many refugees of war...
Gehirnspaghetti
...Do NOT want to stay here. They just don't want to die and go back to their country when the wars are over
Skittleballs
Let's differentiate. I'm a German who got a deeper, uncensored glance through a judge and a criminal inspector. Most criminals are fake...
Hoobles
Fantastic
Skittleballs
...refugees. the SPD forced Merkel to waive border checks and just let ANYONE IN. Now my friend the judge says he gets a third more...
Skittleballs
...criminals per nightshuft in jail. They ALL say they are Syrians who “lost“ their passports. He has a Syrian translator who can easily...
Skittleballs
Differebtiate between a Marroxan Arabic accent and a Syrian Arabic accent. They are all liars, liars, liars. This human scum exploits ...
Skittleballs
...the situation to fake refugee status. They only come to steal, giving the real refugees who need our help a bad name. Normal borderchecks
Skittleballs
With the help of Syrians to identify fakes would solve that problem. As far as Trump is concerned, well the CIA destabilized the region...
MyFirstTwoChoicesWereTaken
That's what worries me the worst. Media fear mongers then leaders can say SEE?!?! And get that they want. It's stupid and frightening.
TGWeaver
Relevant to this whole line of thought: US has vetting already. Right wingers act like the only alternative to the ban is no vetting at all.
MindlessChaos
We had terrorists get in the Iraqi refugee program despite them setting off bombs before... are you suggesting vetting was fine?
Skittleballs
Don't get me wrong, so does Germany. We're just currently disregarding our own constitution and sovereignty as a State.
TGWeaver
According to who? Most of the comments and their cited sources seem to point out that OP's full of shit.
alanasaurus
A lot of people mention the crime, rape, and assaults, but the statistics do not support those claims
phoenixsphinx
Those claims are bullshit m better is the drying up of pensions and the health system breakdown which Germans now have to pay for
Tigrium
Havn't you heard of alternate facts? Real facts don't matter anymore
Talosdoingcalc
You shut your whore mouth about statistics right now. Were in trumps america. That word is now illegal.
ALoneTenno
82% of statistics are made up.
Skittleballs
I just made it a point not to confound criminal fake refugees and real Syrians, but your statistics are problematic IMO
Skittleballs
The thing is that we have been experiencing failed integration on a massive scale. The second biggest Turkish city on the planet...
Skittleballs
...(INCLUDING TURKEY) is Berlin. And the whole thing was not handled well by both sides. All these non-integrated immigrants count...
Skittleballs
...as Germans in your statistics. In a way of course they are. I'm not a racist. But in a discussion on integration, I do believe...
Skittleballs
...third generation still plays a role.
NinjaWizard
https://img.pr0gramm.com/2016/01/26/d555b2d7df321868.jpg what about this one?
SighYesitsmeThatGuy
This only shows the number of suspects, not convictions. For example: 23 Lebanese were suspected of murder. That could be one murdered 1/2
SighYesitsmeThatGuy
Person, but 23 Lebanese suspects. Maybe the killer was no. 24, with no immigration background. So it's very misleading. 2/2
neithermenoryou
I just checked this thing out and after some digging I found their sources. The sources don't match their claimed numbers at all.
WeHaveHeardTheChimesAtMidnight
They are often brightened up. On Cologne Newyear 500 sexuall assaults were reported. 17 made it into the official statistics.
Barkinsons
It was a really weird story, I'm not surprised most claims didn't even make it to court
CarrotSharpener
Or, OR, 17 could actually be proven to be true.
fredericgodec
And if I remember right not a single one was commited by a refugee.
CarrotSharpener
I'm no sure you do.
TGWeaver
Imgur is disgustingly dismissive of rape claims because of their crusade against false accusations -- but somehow, never in these cases.
Wastyvez
Remember: Trump isn't a rapist, 10+ women accusing him were all lying. But refugees are all rapists! -The far right
TGWeaver
On a similar note they were so busy excusing his use of "pussy" they ignored that he was a newly-married man trying to fuck a married woman.
TechnicallyCorrectTheBestKindOfCorrect
Flip side to you argument: they want to be here to get away from that
TheImperiumOfMan77
Flip side to your argument: they were the ones responsible for creating the conditions they're trying to escape from.
d0o0o0d
Some of them, yeah. Not all of them. A few deeply confused types seem to be trying to re-create the place they left where they landed.
TechnicallyCorrectTheBestKindOfCorrect
At what point does that portion become statistically insignificant?
d0o0o0d
When there aren't enough of them to form an ethnic neighborhood that cops don't want to patrol solo.
TechnicallyCorrectTheBestKindOfCorrect
I think you could make that statement about any impoverished neighborhood, Muslim or not
dangerousDoc
When a large proportion demand for that crazy religious law that supersedes the countries laws
dangerousDoc
A doesn't was supposed to be in there...
TechnicallyCorrectTheBestKindOfCorrect
1. What is "a large portion"? 2. Haven't Christians been doing the same shit for hundreds of years?
dangerousDoc
Not to the way of demanding pedophilia be legal, demanding the right to kill all who speak ill of their religion and such
starfox101365
I hand you a bowl of rice. 80% of them are fine, rest of them are covered in anthrax, do you eat the bowl?
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AawesomeAardvaark
Stop! You're eating people!
kozac
LoL bad comparison is bad. What are you, 12?
IronicUsername
He's working off Trump's playbook http://www.vox.com/2016/9/20/12986886/donald-trump-jr-terrorist-skittles-wrong
Trollhydra
LAUGH OUT FUCKING LOUD THIS IS LITERALLY THE FEMINAZI RAPE ARGUMENT GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE.
wandermanspacebot
I love how all you guys use the exact same analogies. It's almost as if this brand new account is right-wing spam or something.
TechnicallyCorrectTheBestKindOfCorrect
No, but that's not the scenario, crime rates and unemployment are lower among refugees
dangerousDoc
http://www.wsj.com/articles/germanys-efforts-to-integrate-migrants-into-its-workforce-falter-1473948135
TechnicallyCorrectTheBestKindOfCorrect
Looks like an interesting article, but it's paywalled.
dangerousDoc
Oops sorry let me see if there is a work around
1111111111113
That's like saying 1 out of every 1000 people will be born a murderer so humans should just stop breeding.
IronicUsername
"If I had a bowl of Skittles and I told you three would kill you, would you take a handful?" Plagiarizing the Trump campaign now, are we?
dangerousDoc
They took it from blm and feminists speeches
TechnicallyCorrectTheBestKindOfCorrect
People have been using the same shitty metaphor for generations, it's bullshit everytime
phoenixsphinx
Bullshit we need to help but we need to finally make sure our system of help works better
GloriousMonkfish
Ironically this post has a lot of silent upvotes, yet the commenters are all shouting down OP about how wrong and hateful he is... (1)
ThaWaySheGoes
This seems fitting
GloriousMonkfish
Brexit and President Trump are examples of how loud and noble 'Voices of Conscience' don't account for the large opposition consensus. (2)
GloriousMonkfish
"I don't agree, so I'm going to call you hateful and bigoted" doesn't work anymore. This exact attitude is why masses of 'bigots' (3)
ThaWaySheGoes
GloriousMonkfish
Get tired of being labelled stupid and hateful and vote en mass to prove a point. Just saying folks
CaptainShutTheFuckUp
I mean - are we supposed to protect their feelings? Say hateful things, get called hateful...
GloriousMonkfish
OP is making a point based upon what could be considered 'factual information'. Many news outlets are peddling the narrative that Germany(1)
grendelbiter303
I think most of those comments are bots or paid shills. Most major sites have been taken over.
GloriousMonkfish
It would be very sad it true, but could well be the case!
JosephSelah
You just voted for someone trying to ban 7 countries who never committed a terrorist attack and you don't wanna be called bigoted? ...k
dangerousDoc
These countries are filled with isis and other radical groups and we're on the list made by Obama for increased vetting measures
GloriousMonkfish
'You just voted'? I'm not American, and also making an observational point. So do shut up, you're embarrassing yourself, you silly mug.
isitsafeinhere
This is tiring to hear...its been said about every wave of immigration. It's all B.S.
TheDuke0fHazzard
There is a cultural difference, though, between immigrants from the middle east vs other western countries.
isitsafeinhere
Like all the Vietnamese or Laotians or Hmong refugees? Keep stretching.
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fleetoffoxes
A recent Rubin Report talked about this. It was really good.
CarrotSharpener
Sweden's had a "huge problem" with immigration for the past 30 years, yet somehow it's never gone past some rioting in problem areas.
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PlantainSuperNova
Except no go zones have been proven to be bullshit and don't exist. Even FOX had to back track after they realized that they reported on bs.
CarrotSharpener
Yup. There are some areas which are a lot more difficult for the authorities to deal with, but no "no-go" areas.
yummmmm
was said about the germans in USA in fact. then the irish.
DrEXTREME
USA has almost made every race into the boogy man at some point. Natives, Africans, irish, Chinese, Japanese, Russians, Italians, Mexicans.-
DrEXTREME
Now anyone thats brown from the middle east is a ''radical muslim''.
isitsafeinhere
Was said about all immigrants. Its the racial verision of " Not in my back yard"
HaircutsOfNicholasCage
Funny. Most of Germany seems to think his ideas are idiotic.
phoenixsphinx
You aren't from Germany eh?
HaircutsOfNicholasCage
You?
phoenixsphinx
Yup
HaircutsOfNicholasCage
You speak for all of Germany?
phoenixsphinx
No but I know the news here. I know the polls. U just open your mouth and shove your foot in. Go talk about your home not mine
WeHaveHeardTheChimesAtMidnight
Merkel already changed course (again). Because in September are elections.
phoenixsphinx
Yea people are sick and tired of this shit. We know they will change their opinions after they were elected less and less go vote
phoenixsphinx
She is a little flip flopper but of course it is election.
schlurbi
I dont agree with the other guy in here. I too am from Germany and think Trump's ideas are wrong and Merkel did it right.
WeHaveHeardTheChimesAtMidnight
I doubt, that even Merkel still believe this.
schlurbi
It would all be working out much better if all countries not just within the EU would work together much better.
phoenixsphinx
Well we basically opened borders let millions in and then said: now neighbour's please take some. Of course they say fuck u
schlurbi
They were already coming and fleeing their countries before Merkel said that. It's not that they magically appear in Germany.
phoenixsphinx
They specifically want to come to Germany. Tell me why
schlurbi
Its not just a European Problem it is a worldwide crisis and I wish everyone could just work together to solve it.
schlurbi
I feel bad for Merkel getting so much hate for being a human and giving those that have to run, a chance to survive in another country.
phoenixsphinx
I am all for helping the refugees but our system of how to help them is just fucked. How can a guy get 5 different identities?
HanShotFirst39
iirc Merkel's party just took a beating in the recent elections. Even she admitted they fucked up with immigration.
Wastyvez
She didn't actually, she still stands by her decision even if she misjudged the cowardice of the other European leaders.
WeHaveHeardTheChimesAtMidnight
Cowards! Just because there are to delicate to collect loose body parts of death citizens in their capitals. Everybody else does it.
Barkinsons
We still don't support Trump, he'd probably get below 10% in a general election
phoenixsphinx
But there is a consensus that we need tighter immigration laws. An I am not talking refugee but immigration especially from Africa.
phoenixsphinx
This that statement being a bit right while the crime stuff is bs
Wastyvez
The only far right anti-immigration party in Germany that comes close, the AfD, scored 13% in the last poll. That's not "taking a beating"
Wastyvez
And Germany's election is still upcoming, Merkel lost ground in a local election in a minor state (3rd smallest). It's like losing Iowa.
Wastyvez
Nationally Merkel's party still scores the highest in the polls, followed closely by the social democrat SPD.
phoenixsphinx
And Schulz not being the other option might still have success simply because people are sick of merkel. I fear. The AFD tho
phoenixsphinx
They already won so many more percent in polls
schlummi
Schulz is member of a left party. They won't have a more conservative stance to immigration than merkel.
phoenixsphinx
I think we need to find a way to beeter help the new people integrate. We need them and we need to hjelp them make a live here.
phoenixsphinx
and no party really has an idea for that
Auenwolf
As a German I always wonder where all the crimes and rapes are happening? You basically only see the refugees on TV or if you go to refugee
badabumm07
as a german, can confirm - media outlets paint a grim picture that doesnt necessarily be true
cutebunnies
https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1_rNT3k2ZXB-f9z-2nSFMIBQKXCs&hl=en_US
ZottelKnauel
german and living in the city... can't even say that anything changed at all...
ZottelKnauel
sorry... after reading these vomments i have to admit that there are more Nazis scince there are more refuges... so that changed actualy...
BarrackHusseinIslamabama
There is actually a project which plots all news reported migrant crimes onto a map of germany so you can see how many they are and where
lospaturno
as an Italian, I see more refugees in the streets, but basically nothing changed much.
BossCar9
I'd be more worried about the AfD.
DespiseEveryone
Remember, Cologne didn't happen. It was all a lie by Trump.
ineverwantedtodothis
I live in cologne. Do you really now what happens? Pocket thiefs, touching, grabbing. That's it. No mass rape. No mass murder
WeHaveHeardTheChimesAtMidnight
30 guys surround you and stick there finger into your body openings, I call it rape. when it happens 500 times, it is mass rape.
ineverwantedtodothis
Of course that Night was disgusting and needs to be punished but Media made it sound like 500 gangrapefucked women. There's a difference
WeHaveHeardTheChimesAtMidnight
It was a kind of crime, that was just unknown in Germany in this organisation, degree and contempt for the victims. and complete imported.
mibango
Thats.. Good news?
ineverwantedtodothis
He referred to NYE incident in cologne. First it sounded like what he described, now it's more like what I said. Not a single Penis inserted
mibango
But lots of sexual harassment. Which is bad enough. This year they were halted by police and not allowed into the city.
patotheduck
patotheduck
I guess Imgur doesn't like "facts".
WhatzitTooya
I feel like the discussion and how it's conducted these days is a lot more toxic than the immigrants itself.
VodkaReindeer
In the dark when you combine drunk+drunk, mostly.
BarrackHusseinIslamabama
While it is true that news outlets are embellishing a bit, crime statistics are going up.
JollyGreenAl
I'm an American and have never seen someone shot. Where are all the shootings happening? You basically only see people getting shot on TV.
punk1917
Same in sweden. Foreign media makes it look like the country is faling a apart. Not true at all
avgalofven
Cologne... crime and rape are concentrated to the areas that have taken in the most... but I will spread
Icantbelieve1ktrystosignup
Thats stupid. Now you take refugees and refugees against each other. There are the guys running from war and the guys running from poverty1
Icantbelieve1ktrystosignup
2put them together and let them look the same. And even if 1k sexual crimes happened from 1k refugees and Germany took 1mil ... do the math
avgalofven
Overrepresentation is a thing. If Middle East is over represented 40x in sex crimes compared to natives it will make an impact in the stats
Icantbelieve1ktrystosignup
And thats not the fact its just pushed out in the media atm thats the problem. Often in the media is not often happening
avgalofven
What's wrong with the peace in all the other countries they cross? We should help them in surrounding areas, it's Much more efficient
WeHaveHeardTheChimesAtMidnight
In Germany are these kind of question considered as hate speach.
Icantbelieve1ktrystosignup
Lets try it this way. You can stay in tents without proper meals or clothes or there is a country which will help you and take care. 1
perceptualmotion
as a swede, same here. official crime statistics have yet to rise, i would expect them to rise a little.
xenathewarriorprincesswashot
Ant the only reason for rising are locals fighting foreigners
BarrackHusseinIslamabama
Official statistics have risen at least from 2014 to 15. 2016 has not yet been released.
jeppsson
The decreased 11% 2015
BarrackHusseinIslamabama
As far as I can see there was a 4% increase in overall crime from 2014 to 2015
jeppsson
The only crime that has increased is online crime. All other are either the same or decreasing. Malmö has the lowest crimerates in 20 years.
ThatFellow
https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?mid=1_rNT3k2ZXB-f9z-2nSFMIBQKXCs&ll=51.38862605870835%2C6.112788039746192&z=5 right around here
ThatFellow
That only covers sexual crimes, though it makes up for it with easy categorization so if you only want to know about child rape, it got you.
LongNamesAreStillCoolRight
Try being a girl in a bigger city.
GylfieTheOwl
I'm a girl in Dusseldorf, which is the capital of the region that has the most refugees and I'm still MUCH safer than I was in the US.
Valkyyria
Im a girl in Munich. You know, the place where a lot of them landed first. All the refugees i met were pretty nice.
mcgonagone
Been here, done that.
mcgonagone
The ones i met were nice and polite men, most of them don´t say a word and looked rather shy.
cutebunnies
i mostly feel like it's men who come up with the "i don't see a difference". maybe that's because they aren't viewed as inferior by refugees
LongNamesAreStillCoolRight
I'm not calling out actual war refugees, but economic migrants are pretty bad.
cutebunnies
i don't care much for why you come. it's how you behave once you're here. and disrespecting anyone is just inacceptable.
Wiwwil
Awkward thing is that the rapes wasn't even done by refugee but Germans iirc
dangerousDoc
No a few of them were true
Auenwolf
Centers. I always laugh when American TV paints a picture like Germany is falling apart over here. For the normal citizen, nothing changed.
TheLastDoritoBender
Can't say nothing changed, i live in an area with a lot of immigrants, and as a white guy, who's kinda into black women, seems pretty good
BossCar9
Mainstream American media does that all the time. Personally, I'm rather fond of Germany myself.
malakim
Except for, like, Berlin and stuff. Also, yes as a guy not a lot changed. My female friends paint a different picture though.
FlyingDestinyTitan
I think it´s so weird, studying in Darmstadt and half the people in my year are with migration background. Apparently we destroy ourselves
BayazTheBenevolent
It's just right-wing propaganda though there's enough people in Germany that'd be happy to spread their lies overseas.
Anusblaster3000
For you nothing changed. And that's fantastic, but you can't speak for everyone. I'll agree the media sensationalized it all, but 1/2
namiasdf
Shut up.
GeorgeLucasWillBurnInHellForEpisodeOne
The crimerate in germany isn't meaningful in view of crimes commited by refugees because it doesn't record them as a separate group...
CoolKidT
Are you from Germany?
LongNamesAreStillCoolRight
I'm from Belgium, and things have changed here. I go to uni in Brussels. You wouldn't believe the shit you see.
Icantbelieve1ktrystosignup
Yeah belgium has a different situation but thats not caused by the refugees i i read about molenbeek its more a political problem
Anusblaster3000
Nope
CasuallyDressed
Fuckin' lol. Are you one of those "I'm offended for them!" types?
ZimGenzko
Soooo your opinion is solely based on media instead of actually being here and seeing what it's really like
Anusblaster3000
The statistics still stand. "Nothing bad has happened to me" is a poor argument to a legitimate problem.
MayTheTriforceBeWithU
what statistics?
questionableanswers
I live in a town with 20% immigrants. Literally nothing changed. Except for hearing more languages when people talk to each other.
stupidfuntime
But they impede my free speech because I don't understand thwm
stupidfuntime
I'm kidding
DonnaNobleInTheLibrary
I live in Cologne. I have no clue what all the noise is about. Yes, New Year's was a mess, but otherwise?
thiskiwicanfly
LET THEM IN!! I want to try as many different cuisines as i can in my life!. I live in an area with lebanese, nepalese and Indian 1/2
FlyingDestinyTitan
Imagine having to eat the same old traditional food everyday of your life O.O
thiskiwicanfly
I find food represents history and culture of people, its an easy way to experience how a culture developed in an environment for example1/?
Mitanhal
Have you tried Ethiopian food? No, they haven't either.
thiskiwicanfly
Communities and they all have awesome food that makes it soo good for eatting out! Hardest decision is where to go to eat
thiskiwicanfly
Seriously though, these people need our help! As a human being we have a duty to help and support these people
Wastyvez
It's no coincidence that the places where right wing populist parties score the best are also the places with the fewest refugees.
StrivingForEvil
OMG this! This is exactly the same in the UK. The places that worry the most about immigrants are places that have never met or seen one!
ElPoloDiablo
I heard that called "the invisible immigrant" - people fear the concept of immigrants far more than immigrants themselves.
LongNamesAreStillCoolRight
You can be against immigration without hating the immigrants. Nothing wrong with that.
ireadyouremailz
my german penpal says it's all different in different parts of germany, and i can imagine, because i witnessed this about 20 years ago in --
ireadyouremailz
-kazakhstan, where Nursultan would cram the oralman wildlings into small towns that weren't marked on most maps, completely fucking those up
BayazTheBenevolent
Oh yeah it's very different in East Germany because there's a shitload of fucking Neo-Nazis over there. They're the real problem.
GaneshaTheElephantGod
The ones behind the wall seem to shout the loudest.
BayazTheBenevolent
Especially considering that they are the children and grandchildren of former refugees themselves. Sad how people forget their own history.
avervetmonkey
Rather, they want to distance themselves from their own history and be on "the right side". Compare: homophobic homosexuals.
ZottelKnauel
true! there are a lot more of them than i would like to admit in my town :/ lived in dresden and now in leipzig... hate these guys -.-
ittybittywitty
Noch ein Sachse!
PilotPirx
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-germany-crime-idUSKCN0YT28V
Icantbelieve1ktrystosignup
And now go on with the overall statistics for crime happened in the first 3 months of 2016 and calculate the %
PilotPirx
Difficult, since different statistics include different 'types' of crime. Also can't find the official 2016 numbers yet.
Icantbelieve1ktrystosignup
Then wait till you can compare them.
NeaterSpree
Yeah me neither. Police numbers will probably come out in march, at least last year they did.
lud1
German here, from Saxony, and our only problem is the new far right...fuck those guys, srsly
ittybittywitty
Noch ein Sachse!
lud1
Chemnitz hier, du?
lud1
Chemnitz hier, du?
ittybittywitty
Dresden
wandermanspacebot
Not one incident involving refugees from war-torn Syria thus far.
Deadbabymammal
Unless you include the increased violence by americans in regard to those refugees
5po0ky
Irony
deGoodMan
Don't ruin their agenda. That's all they've got.
systemiclupus
literally the first bombing in germany connected to muslim extremists in Ansbach was commited by a so called " refugee" from syria.
ShadowbanMyAss
this is just a a hate mongering post, what did you expect
WeHaveHeardTheChimesAtMidnight
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Ansbach_bombing
Skittleballs
Real, actual Syrian refugees are much less problematic than the fakes, I agree. But sadly, 6 Syrians set a homeless German on fire lately.
EvenStevensEvenSemen
In the US or?
wandermanspacebot
In the U.S.
Ch3mis7
Guessing referring to Germany but also the US
Skittleballs
Not true for Germany. But real refugees still commit a lot less crimes than Marrocans claiming false refugee status.
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stabbedintheface
That article doesn't have a single site on it...
dangerousDoc
That's the same for most news articles these days
riChchestMat
The express is not a reliable source. At all.
Hooblaah
The real question is what source is truly reliable? In the end we all choose our own self fulfilling prophecy regardless of facts nowadays.
wandermanspacebot
A known and reputable media outlet. There are plenty. These are rags that back in the day were more aptly called "tabloids".
Ch3mis7
One of the biggest indicators of false data is a singular source for the data. If only one is reporting it, it's probably BS
ChicagoStyleDotHog
See this is the problem. Lunkheads have been conditioned to only believe sources that affirm their prejudices instead of ACTUAL news sources
Hooblaah
My point exactly. And this why it's a self fulfilling prophecy regardless if the sources are true or not. Some of you fuckers are the worst.
heylistenLDN
Whilst this is true, cognitive dissonance and all that, the express really isn't a good news source. They can and will blame anything on
bloodflavoredcornsyrup
I think if we just stopped bombing the shit out of them, the problem would take care of itself.
otiumCatulli
To be fair, Assad's mass killings have nothing to do with bombing. That's what the refugees are fleeing. Also, most migrants are Pakistani 1
otiumCatulli
Or sub Saharan African coming through Libya
DrEXTREME
Not while war / military operations generate income to supplement a crumbling economy and infrastructure.
TheImperiumOfMan77
Well, Obomba is out of office now. Only time will tell what Trump intends for the ME.
MyPalmsSpaghettiKneesWeakArmsSpaghettiTheresVomitOnMySpaghetti
He already told everyone, remember? The plan: bomb the shit out of terrorist locations, cities, countries, and terrorist families in the ME
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TheImperiumOfMan77
If he actually bombs ISIS and puts an end to their NATO military support, it might finally accomplish something over there.
TGWeaver
"Obama's out, finally the bombings will stop! Oh, they won't? Well, these are good bombings!"
Sionas
I really don't think bombing will do that. In fact I'd imagine bombing will cause more problems.
questionableanswers
The whole islamic international terrorism exists because foreign interventions. Better intervene some more. That's gotta fix it.
WallpaperProblems
Didn't we just speak about stopping bombing people?
TheImperiumOfMan77
Striking "suspected insurgent camps" is an entirely different game than hitting ISIS convoys. Shut down their supply lines, game over.
frozenmonkeyballs
So you want radical Islam to spread to the US?? Look at the statistics on how it's spreading. Look how many countries are dealing with issue
bloodflavoredcornsyrup
Nobody wants that crap here, but carpet bombing and throwing aid and arms at any faction that says it'll fight thinking that better the
bloodflavoredcornsyrup
Situation is crazy. It didn't work in Iraq, Vietnam and others. Get rid of the ridiculous ROE's and turn our boys loose and specifically ..
Ch3mis7
Here's some stats http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2015/11/daily-chart-12 it's pretty well all in the middle east and Africa
StillbornGod
See, the thing is, you already have Muslims, but being hateful and fearful is how you radicalize more of them, not fewer.
frozenmonkeyballs
So how would you deal with the situation?? I mean honestly. Go overseas and tell me how that works out for you.
StillbornGod
I'm Dutch. We're doing just fine. Don't believe the fearmongers.
isitsafeinhere
There there...I know your scared...here's a blankie
frozenmonkeyballs
Would you walk twice down an alleyway after being mugged the first time going down it? Or ask convicts to stay the night in your house??
TrijezniMujo
Son, don't cause no trouble in my town or you'll wind up staring down the barrel of a forty-five. Now I'll say that's justified.
isitsafeinhere
This thread is so long, I have no context to this comment.sorry. imgur app doesn't take me to the related comment. Don't live in fear
frozenmonkeyballs
You said I was scared, I asked you the above question. Stop avoiding.
WuTangWookie
Sweet false equivalence there, bro.
frozenmonkeyballs
No its a you wouldn't do this right, and you wouldn't do this right? I mean you can answer it however you want.