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Mar 4, 2019 3:56 PM
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ScottaHemi
It's funny cause it's true.
Tesseract09
To those thinking "They've had enough time to sort it out", look at European history and you'll see how long it takes.
FunctioningWorkaholic
thatdudethatslonely
I don’t get it, smart people please help ?
poopinghedgehog
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partition_of_India
GreaterDog
Most of my neighbors are Indian. They go all-out on 4th of July as a partial FU to the British, and I find it super endearing
DylatovsMagicRoentgen
Fucking cringe.
YeeticusOfTheTribeYeet
Yeah, the Europeans fucked up Africa and the Middle East. America likes to swing through every few years and stir vigorously.
ajpimpsalll
Yeah totally. let's just ignore millenia of evidence to the contrary...
Viscupelo
mynameisminerva
The interesting this is that the regular people get along just fine, it's the governments causing trouble. Source: many Indian and
mynameisminerva
Pakistani friends/ family in my life. We eat, we drink, we play cricket and soccer and fly kites.
TokyoTengu
Patience people... Just give it a couple more days and they'll find a way to blame it all on Trump.
internetphd
Blaming Britain is saying that India and Pakistan are too stupid to resolve their differences over the past 70 years.
SomePeopleSayThatCucumbersTasteBetterPickled
once upon a time kashmir was all indian, and then this happened http://www.sikhnet.com/news/islamic-india-biggest-holocaust-world-history
Hypnomancy
I love the current world where people google something and instantly believe the results that come up.
SomePeopleSayThatCucumbersTasteBetterPickled
Are you denying that it happened?
magmachiller98
I too learn history from blogs! High five my fellow simpleton!
SomePeopleSayThatCucumbersTasteBetterPickled
way to dismiss the deaths of millions. you're a credit to your race.
StabbingTheDrama
Jinnah and Nehru had their work cut out for them. They did the best they could with how much the Brits absolutely FUCKED them.
DebauchedSloth
What exactly was it that Britain did to fuck them? The division was something Britain absolutely didn't want but Jinnah did.
StabbingTheDrama
I really couldn't explain in 140 chars. Read up on The Great Partition by Yasmin Khan and The Last Mughal by William Dalrymple.
DebauchedSloth
The Brits absolutely FUCKED them! I just can't say how ...
StabbingTheDrama
It's almost like the issue is more complex than 140 characters. Hence me providing sources for readers to look up.
nickwinters
Got any proof it's something Britain they didn't want? They seem to have done plenty of it all over the world to not want to do it.
DebauchedSloth
Any proof of a policy that stood for years and was minutely documented? Well, as it happens, yes...yes I do. A quick search and you can too.
MarkPenrice
Yeah, well, we COULD own up to it, but... yknow... they have nukes. It changes the game somewhat.
biggeera
Kashmir was and will be a part of India no matter what.
Assbandit
1. Judging by your username I'm assuming you're Indian. Funny how a good number of Indians also believe Kashmir should go to Pakistan except
Assbandit
2. for the diehard ethno-nationalist ones who are fans of Modi and his extreme government.
poopinghedgehog
sorry there friendo, but the issue is a whole lot more complex than that.
biggeera
it got complicated because of ignorant and so called brainwashed terrorists and extremists.
poopinghedgehog
well, have you considered that you might be a little bit under the influence of brainwashing, Kashmir is a Muslim dominated region
poopinghedgehog
It was not part of "India", In fact it has largely been independent with both Hindu and Muslim rulers for hundreds of years
GlowstickJedi
Also works for Israel/Palestine
HalucinogenicCacti
Of course. Nothing to do with three different religions claiming they have divine right to a piece of land! It must be the West's fault...
metalfoto
West funds Saudi with oil money. Saudi fund Kuran schools & wahabi hate speech mosques, all over the world, from Paris to Manila, in the
metalfoto
Effort of taking over the shia, weakening Iran that has always been the biggest force in persian gulf area since 1000+ years
MarioBoon
Damn you, D.H. LAwrence!!
metalfoto
Loved the book, Seven Pillars, and the movie.. But finally Arabs went from the Ottoman domination, to being chained to the western business
MarioBoon
If only they didn't discover all that oil...
metalfoto
You know, kind of Murphys Law.. theres always a way to fuck up.. Like, Somalia or Kashmir got no oil, you see..
metalfoto
Iran/Iraq, Saudi Arabia, and many more all around.. they draw random lines in the desert, ignoring tribes, shia minorities and so on..
ScottaHemi
Iraq's invasion of Kuwait was the result of boarders drawn in such a way to effectively land lock Iraq except for half of a river delta.
metalfoto
Last but not least, Kuwait got a small land, yet richest in oil tho..
ScottaHemi
that's the black gooey frosting on the cake here. Saddam wanted a true port city.
metalfoto
Its quite complicated. Just after iran revolution, iraq was "armed" to crash the newborn iran islam republic. Western banks, kuwait, saudi,
metalfoto
Funded widely saddam army. Saddam thought was kind of "gift", but after the end of war in 1988, that resulted as "draw" kuwait banks started
HalucinogenicCacti
That does not in any way justify an invasion.
ScottaHemi
the various Stan's are also the result of British meddling... as well as the more nomadic people of africa.
ScottaHemi
being affected by legal boarders that popped up out of nowhere as well.
ElbowDeepInASeahorse
Wasn't Kashmir an autonomous region that was ignored during Partition?
ihavealltheibuprofen
I think it was tibet
ElbowDeepInASeahorse
Tibet was more or less it's own nation state before China interfered and made it an "autonomous region" of China. Nothing to do with India.
ElbowDeepInASeahorse
Guess I can't go back to Beijing after that comment can I?
legitGiraffeBandit
Tibet you feel stupid now don't you?
Nobody7713
Tibet was an independent country annexed by China.
BlueEyedDominus
Kashmir was a princely state, so the Maharaja was able to choose. Although it was Muslim majority, he was Hindu and chose India.
Rexli78
This is why representation in Government is important.
Jewgoslav
Wasn't it Pashto rebels who attacked, and once they were fought off, Pakistan started fighting?
BlueEyedDominus
There was initially local unrest, which later became assisted by Pashtun tribal militias from AfPak. Pashto is the language, technically.
gooober445
BlueEyedDominus knows what’s up.
ElbowDeepInASeahorse
If I remember correctly, Gujarat was exactly the opposite and still chose India?
cmdrsalamander
Hyderabad
LarfleezePlz
ChillageInn
No it’s a Led Zeppelin song
XVUltima
My Shangri-La beneath the summer moon...
JoeBudget
I will return again.
pondox
No it's a Danish band
howToLoseTheGame
Do Danish people really exist?
adamlstf9
I thought that was Fins?
pondox
No... We are a myth made up to scare people. Like vampires, zombies and Michael Jackson
UserSubHunterOfIndeterminateGender
Britain and France are responsible for the Middle East being the shitshow that it is. Skees-Picot treaty. Look it up.
LvL98MissingNo
*Sykes-Picot Agreement for anyone googling
DonutPolice
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Frugtkagen
I'm reading the book "The Ottoman Endgame" currently, and it makes it clear that the root of the trouble in the Middle East is far deeper 1)
Frugtkagen
than Sykes-Picot. I'm only halfway through, but I'll still say that the Ottoman Empire too should share some of the blame. 2)
SidneyHarbor
Not really though, there's been wars going on there for several thousand years. Nothing in the last hundred changes their long history.
ajpimpsalll
But now they have white people to blame! So literally millenia of shitty pointless wars can be washed away.
flarflarf
the history of it is pretty interesting. The British were terrified of jihad. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sykes%E2%80%93Picot_Agreement
AnusReadyToBeRavaged
Its not all their fault. You can't blame them for humans being violent.didn't help but you can't just willy nilly say it's all there fault.
Bigmclargehugegr8
Same with Ireland. Brits used divide and conquer to run an empire. Future consequences be damned
GTimgur
I'm sure centuries and centuries of tribalist warfare had nothing to do with it.
TheChurchOfUpvote
personally I blame the romans for inventing western civilizations. In fact I blame proto-Indo-Europeans for...
nicouk
Yeah! What have the Romans ever done us?
Odballl
In the beginning, the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.
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Calaros
There were plenty of imperialists from the other three countries as well. Saying that as a Scot.
chrisf94
Oh STFU boring everyone with the evil england and innocent union rhetoric
flarflarf
Yep. Everyone wants to blame the US, and we sure haven't helped, but the root cause is actually Britan & France during WW1.
Earlkay
The US (Wilson) were pretty big at fucking up borders in the interwar period
flarflarf
yeah we're not blameless but this is really the Englishmans party.
Earlkay
Oh yeah we fucked shit up big time
IAmTheEarlyEvening
That and the thousands of years of conflict. Oh and God promised the land to multiple groups. Whoops!
Jewgoslav
Britain promised the land to multiple groups. God's just an excuse.
RubyPorto
The Middle East wasn't really any more conflict-ridden than Europe up until the last 50-100 years.
donorkort
I think you need to read up on history a little more there, pal.
Keairan
You're right, it was less during the reign of the Ottomans.
RubyPorto
Oh? What periods, specifically?
flarflarf
1/ No, he's right. Especially in what's now Saudi Arabia there was sort of constant low-level tribal conflict, but the Ottoman Empire kept a
flarflarf
3/ screwed things up.
flarflarf
2/ pretty even keel. It was WW1 that broke the Ottoman Caliphate and the British & French handing all that power to the Saudis royally
Nobody7713
Dude, Europe existed in a state of near-constant war until the mid-1800s
orbitsteve
Really, we still blame Britain because two sides can't come to an agreement even after 70 years?
gaggingforit
yes
LogicalFallacyMan
Because it is. Whats 70 or 100 years when it comes to history of countries. Nothing.
rmsrmsrms38
Yes. Easier to blame others than to solve difficult questions. This is the way of all nations...
primse
Yes.
Earlkay
I mean Britain can’t even agree on what the nation state should be on our own land so don’t act high and mighty
intergalacticbuttjazz
In country terms, 70 years is nothing. Ask Dolly Parton.
Threns
That's not even an entire person ago. The people directly affected and involved in that aren't dead yet. And even that isn't a guarantee.
Sticklebrickk
Britain conquered half the world for their spices, then realized they didn't want any of them
Whatupium
You say we didn't want them but most of the most popular curries like Tikka Masala are British made, so...
intergalacticbuttjazz
Well the vindaloo man delivers to our front door now dunnhe
Earlkay
Eurgh we wanted national resources and labour. Not just spices.
susansbutthole
What until you learn how long ago slavery was abolished in America. You’d think it was yesterday the way some people speak.
HiddenSanity
It wasn't until, what, 1965(?) that the voting thing was mostly settled with your voting rights act, with just a few hold-over policies left
HiddenSanity
(E.g. Felony disenfranchisement, one policy aimed at the poor and blacks, since it was easier to arrest and charge them)
susansbutthole
It’s not a felony to be poor or black in America.
HiddenSanity
Less than a century since it practically was.
hitshappens
The British literally engineered the conflict so they would be able to reconquer India and Pakistan a few years later.
DylatovsMagicRoentgen
Are you high?
orbitsteve
The 1947 election that tiggered the partition was voted by the Muslim league, Britain didn't elect the Muslim league..indian Muslims did.
hitshappens
It's ignorant to think that event happened out of nothing.Years of British propaganda machines built the fears and riots that made that vote
DoubleNubbin
Gotta have a post-Brexit back up plan. Got my best red jacket in the dry cleaners as we speak.
DebauchedSloth
Damn - this nonsense actually got 25 upvotes. It's staggering how little history people know.
DylatovsMagicRoentgen
Yeah, absolutely insane. And then we wonder why Brexit happened. The public are morons.
somethingsomethingwittyhere
Hanlon's razor: Cyril Radcliffe, Louis Mountbatten etc. bunch of ignorant, incompetent yet self-entitled halfwits who planted the seeds...
WhoWantsAMustacheRide
For anoyone who knows the history of South Asia... most things can still be blamed on the British.
jiankui
And the other 30% is usually the French.
ajpimpsalll
Yup. They literally made every place they colonized far FAR better. Every moderately modern region of africa. Hong Kong didn't want to leave
WhoWantsAMustacheRide
100% false. South Asia had around 25% of the worlds GDP before the British and 4% when the British left.
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WhoWantsAMustacheRide
The French and others had little impact in South Asia.compared to the British. Other parts of the world for sure.
orbitsteve
Or the persian Mugals before that
whothehelltakesNiccoloMachiavelliasausername
Weren't the mughals turkic? Descendants of Timur?
WhoWantsAMustacheRide
The Mughals were a mixed bag tbh. Some were relatively ok some not so great. Their contemporary impact isnt much though compared to Brit Raj
orbitsteve
India has progressed economically very well after the British left, so who's to blame now? Fact is both sides hate each other
ajpimpsalll
Not only after. During. Britain basically set up that country to be become a future superpower. Oppresion? Sure. But infrastructure as well.
Assbandit
Spoken like someone who has no clue how Pakistani and Indian people actually get along. Please don't make up "facts".
BenjaminMu
Fact is neither people hate each other but the goverments use the other to build their power. The people are the same people.
KitchenClean
Heck yeah!!! Muslims and Hindus got along peacefully for thousands of years until Britain came and partitioned them.
chrisf94
Sarcasm? Surely you've heard of the caate system created by the mughal empire. They didn't exactly get on well with Hindus
Rhulain
Amazing. Every word of that sentence is wrong. The muslims have never lived in peace with anybody of a different religion.
werzygon
Whooooooooooooossshhh
Assbandit
Right, which is why we constantly have riots and such courtesy of Muslims in the US. You're so ignorant it's actually quite embarrassing.
Rhulain
Not yet of course. They're still a minority. But there Is a Muslim in Congress trying to defund homeland security. That's not a red flag?
ArcaneConjecture
Neither have Christians, though. Evangelism is a helluva drug.
Teslabrainwashedme
If that were the case, u wouldn't see any non Muslims in Muslim majority countries, non Muslims lived along Muslims for hundreds of yrs
HappyOuroboros
yeah, and so did the Jews in Europe for 100s of years. But just because people live among others doesn't mean they are fairly treated.
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TheNegaChin24
You seem far more backwards and hateful than anyone in that region. Why don't you go sit down Hitler
Teslabrainwashedme
U seem to forget that less than a 100 years ago all of Europe was in total chaos, wars happen and mess things up, good ppl get caught in it
orbitsteve
Care to give some some census? I'll give you some. 2001 hindus in Pakistan was 22%, 2010 it's down to 8%.
Teslabrainwashedme
I wouldnt consider Bangladesh and Pakistan as models of the Islamic religion, they have so much ignorance due to not understanding Arabic
orbitsteve
Bangladesh, hindus 32% in 2001, down to 18% in 2010. India Muslims 13% in 2001 now up 23% in 2010.
Teslabrainwashedme
There are Muslim countries with a wide distribution of religions, consider Malaysia, majority Muslim country with many other religions