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TigerThong
Worked at McDonald's that was near off ramps for 2 major highways and was near a huge suburban population. Never worked harder in mylife
Munchman347
Every business and owned politician has cried doom and gloom over raising the minimum ever since it went from 25 cents an hour to 30.
Obsidian3
I wish they would let us tip em!
willvasco
Everyone should have to work at least a year in food service or retail so they can quit with the condescending bullshit about how easy it is
ellert0
5 years of retail here, definitely agree. I'm ready to do any other job too, got one that involves cleaning up a lot of blood and I'm happy.
inzane
Well yeah oilfield workers have it tough, but they get paid well.
ddfitzy
Fight over who has the bigger pile of crumbs while the fat cats make off with the entire cake http://imgur.com/kyCtFeo
Flamingle
I think it's fair to say that both of them are underpaid...
AbsolutelyBarbaric
One of thr highest rated posts on r/CringeAnarchy.
BurntToACrispyChickenTender
Where's the receipt
PrivateIsotope
MOM!!!!!!!
supernaturalisalwaysrelevant
It's not about the job, necessarily. It's about the individual. I worked at McDonald's from 15-20. I met people who skated by and people
who worked their asses off the entire shift, every day. They deserved $15.
IronicUsername
So many look down on the service industries while enjoying said services.
Dolewhipper
Everyone should be required to work 1-2 years in service industries.
JuliusPepperwoodFromChicago
*to- moms next comment, hopefully.
onehapphysalmon
Momz tellin' it like it is
nowthatsalottadamage
I do not yet have a job as I am too young, but I see what people spend their money on, and they don't need it, they need financial training
ImaLumberjackAndImAlrightAlrightAlright
I'm cutting timber in 100 degree heat in a swamp in Tennessee and I still wouldn't want to work the drive through after the bars let out
Cheomesh
I don't understand what is happening in that photo.
ImTooLazyToComeUpWithaWittyUsername
People that work fast food need a raise yea, but they shouldn't make more than emergency workers. Just my opinion.
ShamnusMcfee
Then pay emergency workers more. It's not just about service workers, nearly everyone is being underpaid.
thanatos777
I like how the only solution to this people seem capable of considering is to pay fast food workers less.
yak3ftw
Its fairly retarded how much EMT's are underpaid.
Snerfmonster
Fifteen hour minimum wage applies to emergency workers tho rite?
Correction, fast food workers should not make MORE than emergency services and yes, you're correct. The new wage applies to Emergency wrkers
Sidewalkdreamer
I worked at McDonald's for 6 months... NOT an easy job. Customers are the worst part.
BrownskinOriental
A lot of these people (supervisors and managers) were getting paid $15/hour at salary. No overtime pay. That was terrible.
SmokingToddlers
WTF!
JabbaTheSwampBandit
The irony
Disembowleeh
D-Do people really think working fast food is that easy?
155DangerClose
it.....really is easy
SighImSoBored
It's easy in that it requires no skills. Incredibly stressful, demanding, and unrewarding, but technically anyone can do the work.
rumblegum
I get your point but I half agree, half disagree. I've seen people that just can't hack it, they just don't have the temperament.
Lack of responsibility. You have no license to lose, fines to pay or criminal charges unless you really fuck up.
Adding onto it though, the worst managers are in places like McDonalds however.
PiGiSpi
i mean... i got minimum working at einsteins but it was a hell of a lot harder than my current government job (watching live streams)
Making sure the streams are functioning properly..
teal6
i dont understand why ppl get upset about the mcdonalds strikes thing. supply/demand is the first economics lesson..
Rips4w
Oilfield workers are so ridiculously obsessed with letting everyone know how tough they are. It's really sad. Source: I live in S. Texas
RobQuinn
And have you ever worked in the oil industry?
Nope. I do have a handful of friends who have or currently do. The observation I made does not require oilfield experience.
Your observation was just a bit all inclusive. At the same time there's nothing wrong with being proud of what you do.
I agree. And yes, it was a bit generalized for brevity. I'm speaking more about arrogance than pride, though.
When I worked in the industry I was very proud. I did meet arrogant people. They were generally green, and it was their first big boy job.
Camelspotting
They also get paid a fuckton, at least when the market is up.
burntpieceoftaost
I work in the oil field and I have an easy ass job I build and test the parts before they get it to make sure its safe. easy ass job
MrVonWolf
Oilfield workers? Sounds like vegans and/or cross fit people. Source still applies as I live in San Antonio.
Penguinofmyspirit
Used to work in a laundromat in w Texas. Oil field clothes are disgusting.
IveNeverSeenAnOcelot
I have a separate dirty clothes hamper for my oil covered clothes
dontcall
Hi! How south?
Corpus Christi.
Stelson
Grew up with this friend that ended up working in the oilfield and blowing money to look rich. I now make more than him from behind a desk.
juggernaut1
Same with linemen. I'm tremendously proud of what I do but I dont brag about it. Still just a job. Guys I know act like it's their identity.
ruthbaderginsburg
We have a lot of the N. Dakota oil fielders here. And yeah, you're right, "look at me, I'm a big boy! Hey! You aren't looking!"
nitrodragon54
Its not like they have the greatest job security either. Congrats you have a physically intense job that you probably wont have in 15 years.
Some guys Ive known here made it 2 years before the rug got pulled out from underneath them.
Yup, work so hard, get paid so much, oh whats that? Oil prices dropped? Welp no more job no more money.
GoDDstopper
I work in the industry, it's full of winy fucks. "Do they pay you to complain? No? Well then shut the fuck up"
chooseday
Strange. I live in the UK, and everyone who worked on the rigs here before the oil crash was really cool.
We Americans like to identify our worth by our profession.
Rainman1344
I cant stand people who need to show how hard their job is. Fucking okay we get it you have a hard labourous job. Congrats?
Same here. I always ask them if they want a Fucking cookie after they say it's hard work. It pisses them off.
jarrenthebaron
I work as a boilermaker and I just wanna finish the turnaround so I can go home and bang my fiancƩ and play video games and MTG.
Nalianna
and MTG :D
IndignusVita
Bakersfield CA, lots of oilfields. Work a dive bar with shitloads of oil field workers. It's an obsession to them
inasynchole
Hey I just drove through There yesterday! Can confirm many oil fields and dive bars
Which dive bar did you hit up?
joinusjoinusjoinus
My friend works in an oilfield and he sends me snaps all day telling me how hard his job is. Dude, how are you on your phone then?!!
SuperColaQueen
I see a guy on Facebook posting his entire day on the job with captions like "this is real work!"
soso456
As you say, when my job become hard I don't really have time to use my phone...
travelerphase1
Virtual Worker Signaling
ThisIsSteel
Eh. I just think that any 40 hours a week job should provide a living wage. If a company can't afford to provide that, it shouldn't exist.
SDGuitar
Ah yes, better that they earn nothing at all. Flawless Logic.
No one said it was flawless. Do you honestly think my proposal is worse than the current setup?
Yes: http://www.economicsonline.co.uk/How%20markets%20work%20graphs/Wages-increase-demand.png
You shouldn't have to exploit the workforce to maintain profitability, is what he's saying. It's not impossible.
Atria
Yes thank you. This right here! BF and I have both have full time jobs and man somethings we still struggle. I wish I could save!
halfswing
Precisely. And all economic signs point to the minium being too low. I think it should be a regional living wage, maybe not a flat 15
I'd say it points to being too high - when you have surplus labor (unemployment) you should drop the cost of labor.
Unemployment is low, sitting near full employment though
Reported levels have, for a long time now, been said to be way lower than the actual amount. Those #s are only people collecting / reportin
illegalacorn
Then you're a computer, not a human being. Anyone working 40 a week should be at a living wage.
corndoghooker
The problem is increasing min. wage increases the labor supply which eventually translates to higher unemployment.
That only becomes true if minimum wage becomes set higher then market wage. Where the mkt wage is is the point of contention
What is "living wage"
Luscus
From FDR when he signed the Min Wage law "by living wages I mean more than a bare subsistence level-I mean the wages of decent living."
What's decent? I mean, I grew up below the poverty line but we had some real luxuries - air conditioning and oil heat!
Kasai
Something a person can actually live on and pay bills with, working full time that is.
What bills, and where?
TelemonianAias
Is google broken for you? Rent, food, clothing, transport, medical care (or basic insurance), perhaps enough for a kid or savings.
So everything except electricity, water, trash, and telecom.
It's a fair question. I don't know what that is. Only that $8.05 /hr isn't it, and that we need to figure out the appropriate number.
Model it on a % using local CPI and median income?
This is true.But it highlights the issue of a Federal Minimum Wage - it's so high level as to be somewhat useless.
That is to say, maybe a Federal 15/hr would be baller in Podunk, MO - ain't barely shit here in LP City, MD.
ItTastesLikePurple
As I've heard from food service, they don't want $15/hour for flipping burgers, they want $15/hour for having to deal with fucks like them.
hearthstoneaccount3
Thankfully they won't have to soon. In my town the automated machines have seen more use than the actual servers so they let people go.
CityYeti
It's very true. It's not a hard job, but dealing people too dumb to order fast food is very strenuous. I worked at wendys, shit sucked
I tend to find the fast food employees the dumb as rocks bunch. Guess it works both ways. I don't get a discount for dealing with them
don't get me wrong, i've worked with idiots too. my gf is a manager and has to deal with them. but when you're too smart for the job, it's
very frustrating. i could do my job well, so did a lot of people i worked with. but sometimes you get people who can't even figure out a mop
Horus175
What pisses me off about this argument is that a lot of the people who are saying it are being screwed out of pay as well.
RubyPorto
If you make min+$3 and the minimum goes up to $15, your pay is going to go to ~$18. For Fucks Sake, how is this hard to understand?
hawks88
What kind of magical world do you live?
The kind where there's an actual reason why above minimum wage jobs pay above minimum wage.
peamupbubber
Why would they still get minimum plus 3? They would just get the same, if they were below the new minimum they are now at minimum.
Presumably, your min+3 job is harder than a min job, so if you didn't get a raise above minimum, you'd quit to do the easier job.
GetSchwifty
Its actually been statistically shown that when minwage increases so does the wage of other jobs. Theres no more money in the economy.
now* damn that is a shitty typo.
I'm glad you clarified because I was confused af
How hard is this to understand?
Because depending on the job, the smaller difference between it and MW may cause a decrease in potential EEs and increase in turnover
How is that hard to understand?
350Zoidberg
I've been a site superintendent on several multi million dollar jobs and have never been as stressed as when working at Dairy Queen/1
SeverusMixtape
Too accurate. Especially when you are using the ice cream so fast it doesn't have time to freeze.
summitshow
My overtime pay is 100%... Fastfood workers overtime is about 14% (from those i know/ Sweden)
mitokil
Sweden and the US thing is incomparable. Our lowest earners and almost upper-class can enjoy same shit in life. And we have fucking Unions.
Randompersonisrandom
Unions are not inherently bad... They just don't mesh well in a capitalist economy
septillion
they're the reason we don't have children working in sweatshops like China and Bangledesh etc. I'm grateful I can get an education instead.
ImaboutoChitonyaface
I fix multi million dollar engines that go in a multi million dollar aircraft and get paid less than $20000 a year.But with tons of benefits
(I'm in the chair force)
(Chairman first class)
Rapturr
Looks hard.
weeshful
i feel that most people shoudl work a low level service job at least once in their life for some helpful perspective
lejonbrameshairline
Cool username. A nissan and futurama fan!
Thanks, I actually just traded the Z in yesterday so I guess now I have to change my username.
Kj991
I'm close to 6 figures....and subway was my hardest job....we had a drive though...IN A SUBWAY
bumgirder
Ouch.
shoutuckerfatheroftheyear
Biggest issue in my mind with15/hr is robots who can do the same job for no pay. McDonald's doesn't care enough not to replace you.
ITalkAboutGoats
They're already trying that. People hate it, and they refuse to use it.
PolishPancakeWithCanadianMapleSyrup
I love the new self order machines. I finally get my orders right.
To be fair, I live in florida, and it's populated with old fucks.
princesswilly
The problem is supply and demand. People want McDonalds (though I don't honestly know why) - so once they go robot, the people still buy.
homeschooledsocialite
As a construction Project Engineer who's worked on Multi million $ projects, and DQ, managing millions is way more stressful.
LivingDecomposition
I worked at a Chili's for about a month during the Holiday season. I have second-degree oil burns all over my arm, but fuck if I didn't--
Oil-burn scars*
--Keep up. Was my first real job. Manager wanted to give me a raise to stay but I just wanted something else.
/2 on a Friday night. If you haven't worked fast food, it's fucking awful.
eavenPayne
Sonic worker here, ON FRIDAYS, FUCKING END ME PLEASE.
trippinoctopus
shit regular sit down restaurants are fucking bad too, especially when you have a small staff like both the ones i work at
OmegasParadox
350Zoidberg 2016.
KarRuptAssassin
i worked 1-6am at a dunkin donuts as a baker/opening shift. I fucking hate food service and i hate morning coffee-getters more.
HighlandPrideHides
That and retail Pharmacy
ohdeepthought
I love working at my pharmacy but I get that US pharmacies are ridiculous as the set up is different.
ThePizzaCook
try football/basebal season. as a pizza cook. 3 ovens filled and in constant motion in California heat.
MadamPuddifoot
Everybody in America should have to work a month in retail and a month in good service. There would be no more hate/disrespect. Lol
Agreed, it certainly opened my eyes when I was younger.
Dominiricanish
Worked at a Popeyes in the hood from 4pm-12am! Drunk and high ghetto people are the fuckin worst!
Heulengeist
I worked Arbys and whenever we had those crazy coupon sheets that went out in the paper, it was pure hell. 20 sandwiches every order.
OurLordandSaviorSkeletor
Completely agree. It should at least be a bit higher than what it is in the states. Here in Canada min is around $11 but even that isn't 1/2
guyintoga
Enough to live off of. It's fine if it's just you but given how hard the economy has tanked it really isn't enough 2/2
sprbwlshuffler
People are restless when they feel they don't get their food in a timely manner.
DarkSock
And certain people never miss an opportunity to shit on other people when they think they can
Sheari
I just left delivery driving. Got caught in a bad storm on a run and had to pull over. Had to dodge DOWN TREES AND TREE LIMBS to get the 1/2
house I was looking for. Got tipped $2. FUCKING REALLY? Some of the shit I've seen... 2/2
I've seent some shit lady. Gimme more than 2 whol' dolla now.
This, people get pissed quick when they're hungry.
Been there.
anon311919
Done that.
Chivaxsienpre209
yup i worked at auntie annes pretzels for years, people that have never worked in the industry dont fucken understand...
AnnaKareninanananananaBatman
I worked at Baskin Robbins when I was 14. Was hit on by old men and screamed at by mothers...for ice cream...
Mattixbigs
I worked there for three months. Took my shirt off midshift and tossed it at the manager. (employees were as terrible as the customers)
im glad you replied, now i had to stop working there cuz i needed more money than minimum wage but now im stuck doing a much worse job...
for a little bit more pay, its a systemic thing it is all fucked, i found myself being mad at someone because they forgot to put extra...
Dang it. I never saw that you replied to this. We could have been besties... I make twice what I was making working at walgreens now.
I was ordering at a drive through every time I asked for something they guy went "that's $$ please drive through" I lost my shit after the 1
Third time because I hadn't finished ordering and he kept doing it. I was calm though I politely said "I haven't finished please slow down"2
0118999881999119725dotdotdot3
my fast food job required weekly papers on selfhelp books or you lost $1 an hour for the week. Most mentally/physically taxing job ever.
revcleo
That should be illegal.
I did research, it's a gray area. I would have needed a lawyer but at $8 an hour...
US labour laws are fucked up in general.
Globally? Fuck no.
I finally told him that if he really thought I needed to read about motivation I probably wouldn't be reading the books in the first place
flarflarf
this is a fact. In my experience the more you're paid the less actual work you do. fucked up but true.
airen
This is true. I try to do more werk at my job but we always have downtime when we do nothing
Promethianfire
It depends heavily on the industry.
ok but that was a four year old comment you're responding to
To be fair though, that higher pay typically comes with much more responsibility.
Wormbo2
True. You're paid to be a scapegoat effectively. If it fucks up, it was the supervisors fault...
fuckingtnuc
And specialized knowledge.
Calderracrusade
Kids need to work harder, and stop turning down jobs. But if I see McDonalds on your resume I'm trashing it. But bootstraps. And reasons.
findingjewels
Not sure I would want to work under someone with that type of mentality anyway. Probably better off
I've hired enough people to know if I see any previous work experience I'm asking about it, there is literally no reason to not hire/1
/2 someone because they worked at McDonalds, that just makes no sense.
Are you being downvoted because people don't get sarcasm?
SirStrongBad
I am sure your first job was sooooo much better...
PotatoLord87
"... stop turning down jobs" ... "... If I see McDonald's on your resume I'm trashing it." So, I should turn down jobs?
RufusTheAardvark
I think he's being sarcastic, folks.
samjc23
He was too subtle - on imgur sarcasm is a blunt-force object
TigerThong
Worked at McDonald's that was near off ramps for 2 major highways and was near a huge suburban population. Never worked harder in mylife
Munchman347
Every business and owned politician has cried doom and gloom over raising the minimum ever since it went from 25 cents an hour to 30.
Obsidian3
I wish they would let us tip em!
willvasco
Everyone should have to work at least a year in food service or retail so they can quit with the condescending bullshit about how easy it is
ellert0
5 years of retail here, definitely agree. I'm ready to do any other job too, got one that involves cleaning up a lot of blood and I'm happy.
inzane
Well yeah oilfield workers have it tough, but they get paid well.
ddfitzy
Fight over who has the bigger pile of crumbs while the fat cats make off with the entire cake http://imgur.com/kyCtFeo
Flamingle
I think it's fair to say that both of them are underpaid...
AbsolutelyBarbaric
One of thr highest rated posts on r/CringeAnarchy.
BurntToACrispyChickenTender
Where's the receipt
PrivateIsotope
MOM!!!!!!!
supernaturalisalwaysrelevant
It's not about the job, necessarily. It's about the individual. I worked at McDonald's from 15-20. I met people who skated by and people
supernaturalisalwaysrelevant
who worked their asses off the entire shift, every day. They deserved $15.
IronicUsername
So many look down on the service industries while enjoying said services.
Dolewhipper
Everyone should be required to work 1-2 years in service industries.
JuliusPepperwoodFromChicago
*to- moms next comment, hopefully.
onehapphysalmon
Momz tellin' it like it is
nowthatsalottadamage
I do not yet have a job as I am too young, but I see what people spend their money on, and they don't need it, they need financial training
ImaLumberjackAndImAlrightAlrightAlright
I'm cutting timber in 100 degree heat in a swamp in Tennessee and I still wouldn't want to work the drive through after the bars let out
Cheomesh
I don't understand what is happening in that photo.
ImTooLazyToComeUpWithaWittyUsername
People that work fast food need a raise yea, but they shouldn't make more than emergency workers. Just my opinion.
ShamnusMcfee
Then pay emergency workers more. It's not just about service workers, nearly everyone is being underpaid.
thanatos777
I like how the only solution to this people seem capable of considering is to pay fast food workers less.
yak3ftw
Its fairly retarded how much EMT's are underpaid.
Snerfmonster
Fifteen hour minimum wage applies to emergency workers tho rite?
ImTooLazyToComeUpWithaWittyUsername
Correction, fast food workers should not make MORE than emergency services and yes, you're correct. The new wage applies to Emergency wrkers
Sidewalkdreamer
I worked at McDonald's for 6 months... NOT an easy job. Customers are the worst part.
BrownskinOriental
A lot of these people (supervisors and managers) were getting paid $15/hour at salary. No overtime pay. That was terrible.
SmokingToddlers
WTF!
JabbaTheSwampBandit
The irony
Disembowleeh
D-Do people really think working fast food is that easy?
155DangerClose
it.....really is easy
SighImSoBored
It's easy in that it requires no skills. Incredibly stressful, demanding, and unrewarding, but technically anyone can do the work.
rumblegum
I get your point but I half agree, half disagree. I've seen people that just can't hack it, they just don't have the temperament.
yak3ftw
Lack of responsibility. You have no license to lose, fines to pay or criminal charges unless you really fuck up.
yak3ftw
Adding onto it though, the worst managers are in places like McDonalds however.
PiGiSpi
i mean... i got minimum working at einsteins but it was a hell of a lot harder than my current government job (watching live streams)
PiGiSpi
Making sure the streams are functioning properly..
teal6
i dont understand why ppl get upset about the mcdonalds strikes thing. supply/demand is the first economics lesson..
Rips4w
Oilfield workers are so ridiculously obsessed with letting everyone know how tough they are. It's really sad. Source: I live in S. Texas
RobQuinn
And have you ever worked in the oil industry?
Rips4w
Nope. I do have a handful of friends who have or currently do. The observation I made does not require oilfield experience.
RobQuinn
Your observation was just a bit all inclusive. At the same time there's nothing wrong with being proud of what you do.
Rips4w
I agree. And yes, it was a bit generalized for brevity. I'm speaking more about arrogance than pride, though.
RobQuinn
When I worked in the industry I was very proud. I did meet arrogant people. They were generally green, and it was their first big boy job.
Camelspotting
They also get paid a fuckton, at least when the market is up.
burntpieceoftaost
I work in the oil field and I have an easy ass job I build and test the parts before they get it to make sure its safe. easy ass job
MrVonWolf
Oilfield workers? Sounds like vegans and/or cross fit people. Source still applies as I live in San Antonio.
Penguinofmyspirit
Used to work in a laundromat in w Texas. Oil field clothes are disgusting.
IveNeverSeenAnOcelot
I have a separate dirty clothes hamper for my oil covered clothes
dontcall
Hi! How south?
Rips4w
Corpus Christi.
Stelson
Grew up with this friend that ended up working in the oilfield and blowing money to look rich. I now make more than him from behind a desk.
juggernaut1
Same with linemen. I'm tremendously proud of what I do but I dont brag about it. Still just a job. Guys I know act like it's their identity.
ruthbaderginsburg
We have a lot of the N. Dakota oil fielders here. And yeah, you're right, "look at me, I'm a big boy! Hey! You aren't looking!"
nitrodragon54
Its not like they have the greatest job security either. Congrats you have a physically intense job that you probably wont have in 15 years.
Rips4w
Some guys Ive known here made it 2 years before the rug got pulled out from underneath them.
nitrodragon54
Yup, work so hard, get paid so much, oh whats that? Oil prices dropped? Welp no more job no more money.
GoDDstopper
I work in the industry, it's full of winy fucks. "Do they pay you to complain? No? Well then shut the fuck up"
chooseday
Strange. I live in the UK, and everyone who worked on the rigs here before the oil crash was really cool.
Rips4w
We Americans like to identify our worth by our profession.
Rainman1344
I cant stand people who need to show how hard their job is. Fucking okay we get it you have a hard labourous job. Congrats?
GoDDstopper
Same here. I always ask them if they want a Fucking cookie after they say it's hard work. It pisses them off.
jarrenthebaron
I work as a boilermaker and I just wanna finish the turnaround so I can go home and bang my fiancƩ and play video games and MTG.
Nalianna
and MTG :D
IndignusVita
Bakersfield CA, lots of oilfields. Work a dive bar with shitloads of oil field workers. It's an obsession to them
inasynchole
Hey I just drove through There yesterday! Can confirm many oil fields and dive bars
IndignusVita
Which dive bar did you hit up?
joinusjoinusjoinus
My friend works in an oilfield and he sends me snaps all day telling me how hard his job is. Dude, how are you on your phone then?!!
SuperColaQueen
I see a guy on Facebook posting his entire day on the job with captions like "this is real work!"
soso456
As you say, when my job become hard I don't really have time to use my phone...
travelerphase1
Virtual Worker Signaling
ThisIsSteel
Eh. I just think that any 40 hours a week job should provide a living wage. If a company can't afford to provide that, it shouldn't exist.
SDGuitar
Ah yes, better that they earn nothing at all. Flawless Logic.
ThisIsSteel
No one said it was flawless. Do you honestly think my proposal is worse than the current setup?
SDGuitar
Yes: http://www.economicsonline.co.uk/How%20markets%20work%20graphs/Wages-increase-demand.png
SighImSoBored
You shouldn't have to exploit the workforce to maintain profitability, is what he's saying. It's not impossible.
Atria
Yes thank you. This right here! BF and I have both have full time jobs and man somethings we still struggle. I wish I could save!
halfswing
Precisely. And all economic signs point to the minium being too low. I think it should be a regional living wage, maybe not a flat 15
Cheomesh
I'd say it points to being too high - when you have surplus labor (unemployment) you should drop the cost of labor.
halfswing
Unemployment is low, sitting near full employment though
Cheomesh
Reported levels have, for a long time now, been said to be way lower than the actual amount. Those #s are only people collecting / reportin
illegalacorn
Then you're a computer, not a human being. Anyone working 40 a week should be at a living wage.
corndoghooker
The problem is increasing min. wage increases the labor supply which eventually translates to higher unemployment.
halfswing
That only becomes true if minimum wage becomes set higher then market wage. Where the mkt wage is is the point of contention
Cheomesh
What is "living wage"
Luscus
From FDR when he signed the Min Wage law "by living wages I mean more than a bare subsistence level-I mean the wages of decent living."
Cheomesh
What's decent? I mean, I grew up below the poverty line but we had some real luxuries - air conditioning and oil heat!
Kasai
Something a person can actually live on and pay bills with, working full time that is.
Cheomesh
What bills, and where?
TelemonianAias
Is google broken for you? Rent, food, clothing, transport, medical care (or basic insurance), perhaps enough for a kid or savings.
Cheomesh
So everything except electricity, water, trash, and telecom.
ThisIsSteel
It's a fair question. I don't know what that is. Only that $8.05 /hr isn't it, and that we need to figure out the appropriate number.
TelemonianAias
Model it on a % using local CPI and median income?
Cheomesh
This is true.But it highlights the issue of a Federal Minimum Wage - it's so high level as to be somewhat useless.
Cheomesh
That is to say, maybe a Federal 15/hr would be baller in Podunk, MO - ain't barely shit here in LP City, MD.
ItTastesLikePurple
As I've heard from food service, they don't want $15/hour for flipping burgers, they want $15/hour for having to deal with fucks like them.
hearthstoneaccount3
Thankfully they won't have to soon. In my town the automated machines have seen more use than the actual servers so they let people go.
CityYeti
It's very true. It's not a hard job, but dealing people too dumb to order fast food is very strenuous. I worked at wendys, shit sucked
RobQuinn
I tend to find the fast food employees the dumb as rocks bunch. Guess it works both ways. I don't get a discount for dealing with them
CityYeti
don't get me wrong, i've worked with idiots too. my gf is a manager and has to deal with them. but when you're too smart for the job, it's
CityYeti
very frustrating. i could do my job well, so did a lot of people i worked with. but sometimes you get people who can't even figure out a mop
Horus175
What pisses me off about this argument is that a lot of the people who are saying it are being screwed out of pay as well.
RubyPorto
If you make min+$3 and the minimum goes up to $15, your pay is going to go to ~$18. For Fucks Sake, how is this hard to understand?
hawks88
What kind of magical world do you live?
RubyPorto
The kind where there's an actual reason why above minimum wage jobs pay above minimum wage.
peamupbubber
Why would they still get minimum plus 3? They would just get the same, if they were below the new minimum they are now at minimum.
RubyPorto
Presumably, your min+3 job is harder than a min job, so if you didn't get a raise above minimum, you'd quit to do the easier job.
GetSchwifty
Its actually been statistically shown that when minwage increases so does the wage of other jobs. Theres no more money in the economy.
GetSchwifty
now* damn that is a shitty typo.
halfswing
I'm glad you clarified because I was confused af
peamupbubber
How hard is this to understand?
halfswing
Because depending on the job, the smaller difference between it and MW may cause a decrease in potential EEs and increase in turnover
halfswing
How is that hard to understand?
350Zoidberg
I've been a site superintendent on several multi million dollar jobs and have never been as stressed as when working at Dairy Queen/1
SeverusMixtape
Too accurate. Especially when you are using the ice cream so fast it doesn't have time to freeze.
summitshow
My overtime pay is 100%... Fastfood workers overtime is about 14% (from those i know/ Sweden)
mitokil
Sweden and the US thing is incomparable. Our lowest earners and almost upper-class can enjoy same shit in life. And we have fucking Unions.
Randompersonisrandom
Unions are not inherently bad... They just don't mesh well in a capitalist economy
septillion
they're the reason we don't have children working in sweatshops like China and Bangledesh etc. I'm grateful I can get an education instead.
ImaboutoChitonyaface
I fix multi million dollar engines that go in a multi million dollar aircraft and get paid less than $20000 a year.But with tons of benefits
ImaboutoChitonyaface
(I'm in the chair force)
ImaboutoChitonyaface
(Chairman first class)
Rapturr
weeshful
i feel that most people shoudl work a low level service job at least once in their life for some helpful perspective
lejonbrameshairline
Cool username. A nissan and futurama fan!
350Zoidberg
Thanks, I actually just traded the Z in yesterday so I guess now I have to change my username.
Kj991
I'm close to 6 figures....and subway was my hardest job....we had a drive though...IN A SUBWAY
bumgirder
Ouch.
shoutuckerfatheroftheyear
Biggest issue in my mind with15/hr is robots who can do the same job for no pay. McDonald's doesn't care enough not to replace you.
ITalkAboutGoats
They're already trying that. People hate it, and they refuse to use it.
PolishPancakeWithCanadianMapleSyrup
I love the new self order machines. I finally get my orders right.
ITalkAboutGoats
To be fair, I live in florida, and it's populated with old fucks.
princesswilly
The problem is supply and demand. People want McDonalds (though I don't honestly know why) - so once they go robot, the people still buy.
homeschooledsocialite
As a construction Project Engineer who's worked on Multi million $ projects, and DQ, managing millions is way more stressful.
LivingDecomposition
I worked at a Chili's for about a month during the Holiday season. I have second-degree oil burns all over my arm, but fuck if I didn't--
LivingDecomposition
Oil-burn scars*
LivingDecomposition
--Keep up. Was my first real job. Manager wanted to give me a raise to stay but I just wanted something else.
350Zoidberg
/2 on a Friday night. If you haven't worked fast food, it's fucking awful.
eavenPayne
Sonic worker here, ON FRIDAYS, FUCKING END ME PLEASE.
trippinoctopus
shit regular sit down restaurants are fucking bad too, especially when you have a small staff like both the ones i work at
OmegasParadox
350Zoidberg 2016.
KarRuptAssassin
i worked 1-6am at a dunkin donuts as a baker/opening shift. I fucking hate food service and i hate morning coffee-getters more.
HighlandPrideHides
That and retail Pharmacy
ohdeepthought
I love working at my pharmacy but I get that US pharmacies are ridiculous as the set up is different.
ThePizzaCook
try football/basebal season. as a pizza cook. 3 ovens filled and in constant motion in California heat.
MadamPuddifoot
Everybody in America should have to work a month in retail and a month in good service. There would be no more hate/disrespect. Lol
350Zoidberg
Agreed, it certainly opened my eyes when I was younger.
Dominiricanish
Worked at a Popeyes in the hood from 4pm-12am! Drunk and high ghetto people are the fuckin worst!
Heulengeist
I worked Arbys and whenever we had those crazy coupon sheets that went out in the paper, it was pure hell. 20 sandwiches every order.
OurLordandSaviorSkeletor
Completely agree. It should at least be a bit higher than what it is in the states. Here in Canada min is around $11 but even that isn't 1/2
guyintoga
OurLordandSaviorSkeletor
Enough to live off of. It's fine if it's just you but given how hard the economy has tanked it really isn't enough 2/2
sprbwlshuffler
People are restless when they feel they don't get their food in a timely manner.
DarkSock
And certain people never miss an opportunity to shit on other people when they think they can
Sheari
I just left delivery driving. Got caught in a bad storm on a run and had to pull over. Had to dodge DOWN TREES AND TREE LIMBS to get the 1/2
Sheari
house I was looking for. Got tipped $2. FUCKING REALLY? Some of the shit I've seen... 2/2
sprbwlshuffler
I've seent some shit lady. Gimme more than 2 whol' dolla now.
350Zoidberg
This, people get pissed quick when they're hungry.
sprbwlshuffler
Been there.
anon311919
Done that.
Chivaxsienpre209
yup i worked at auntie annes pretzels for years, people that have never worked in the industry dont fucken understand...
AnnaKareninanananananaBatman
I worked at Baskin Robbins when I was 14. Was hit on by old men and screamed at by mothers...for ice cream...
Mattixbigs
I worked there for three months. Took my shirt off midshift and tossed it at the manager. (employees were as terrible as the customers)
Chivaxsienpre209
im glad you replied, now i had to stop working there cuz i needed more money than minimum wage but now im stuck doing a much worse job...
Chivaxsienpre209
for a little bit more pay, its a systemic thing it is all fucked, i found myself being mad at someone because they forgot to put extra...
Mattixbigs
Dang it. I never saw that you replied to this. We could have been besties... I make twice what I was making working at walgreens now.
ohdeepthought
I was ordering at a drive through every time I asked for something they guy went "that's $$ please drive through" I lost my shit after the 1
ohdeepthought
Third time because I hadn't finished ordering and he kept doing it. I was calm though I politely said "I haven't finished please slow down"2
0118999881999119725dotdotdot3
my fast food job required weekly papers on selfhelp books or you lost $1 an hour for the week. Most mentally/physically taxing job ever.
revcleo
That should be illegal.
0118999881999119725dotdotdot3
I did research, it's a gray area. I would have needed a lawyer but at $8 an hour...
revcleo
US labour laws are fucked up in general.
Cheomesh
Globally? Fuck no.
0118999881999119725dotdotdot3
I finally told him that if he really thought I needed to read about motivation I probably wouldn't be reading the books in the first place
flarflarf
this is a fact. In my experience the more you're paid the less actual work you do. fucked up but true.
airen
This is true. I try to do more werk at my job but we always have downtime when we do nothing
Promethianfire
It depends heavily on the industry.
flarflarf
ok but that was a four year old comment you're responding to
350Zoidberg
To be fair though, that higher pay typically comes with much more responsibility.
Wormbo2
True. You're paid to be a scapegoat effectively. If it fucks up, it was the supervisors fault...
fuckingtnuc
And specialized knowledge.
Calderracrusade
Kids need to work harder, and stop turning down jobs. But if I see McDonalds on your resume I'm trashing it. But bootstraps. And reasons.
findingjewels
Not sure I would want to work under someone with that type of mentality anyway. Probably better off
350Zoidberg
I've hired enough people to know if I see any previous work experience I'm asking about it, there is literally no reason to not hire/1
350Zoidberg
/2 someone because they worked at McDonalds, that just makes no sense.
halfswing
Are you being downvoted because people don't get sarcasm?
SirStrongBad
I am sure your first job was sooooo much better...
PotatoLord87
"... stop turning down jobs" ... "... If I see McDonald's on your resume I'm trashing it." So, I should turn down jobs?
RufusTheAardvark
I think he's being sarcastic, folks.
samjc23
He was too subtle - on imgur sarcasm is a blunt-force object