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Dont get me wrong. Its great that so many people care about this. But politicians are smart. They know that the minute after the vote in december...this issue will be non existent and people will go back to their starbucks and kardashians and etc. They dont fear the people because they know that politics is only a fad to a lot of us. What is anyone gonna do if net neutrality gets shitcanned? Make sure to vote out these scumbag senators that didnt support the peoples interest? Nah. Theyll complain about it on the internet...make some cool memes...then move on to the next trendy thing to go up in arms about.
Blah. Thats all i have to say about it.
noodleshoe
I'm in a red state fighting the good fight to turn it blue. I could have given up and moved up north, but I stayed here.We're doing our best
theaterofshenanigans
Why I want to bang my head against a wall everytime I hear I don't vote because it doesn't matter anyway.
atoyot
An internet site isn't the "entire country"...
Sensino
digitalist1
Voters often feel fatigue. Don’t give in keep voting
SalamifortheSwami
Stop bit ching and do something. Vote, get involved.
Thranx
Entire country isn't banding together for jack. Don't be delusional. If 5% of the populace knows what's going on, that's massive.
IllJustSeeMyselfOut
Most run unopposed. Get out there and do your thing.
Crowlands
Name a SINGLE candidate who agrees with me on every issue, and I'll respond with "I wasn't aware I was running"
Thornaxe
It's simply not bad enough yet. We're going to have to hand corporations more power until voters wake up and elect people to gut them.
SuperSupply
Thanks you!! Everyone vote these jerks out
BombCyclone
Murder the Government!
BitchySadElvenMermaid
obligatory cynical VOTES ARE RIGGED AND BOUGHT
Dildorthemagnificunt
Maybe just maybe, we could you know.. Recall all of them and send new people. Then maybe just maybe force term limits.
Mattallica
Everbyody is coming together? The only things I've seen about net neutrality, is on imgur.
SunAnvil
So you only view / read Imgur?
Mattallica
I follow plenty on mobile. No TV.
Sekai
Probably because most media is owned by large ISPs who would just as soon not talk about it at all.
Whatsname
Because people think ranting on the internet is better than FUCKING GOING AND VOTE. If you are not voting YOU ARE THE PROBLEM.
theboobdoctorofphysics
That's the trick. Most people (including those that populate this site) won't do shit. That's why United didn't worry. That's why EA wont
theboobdoctorofphysics
worry. And certainly the Congressmen won't worry. Honestly, half this site thinks it's cool that they can't even do well in school or
theboobdoctorofphysics
succeed in basic social situations. If you can't succeed in the most basic facets of life, how do you expect to get what you want? If
wanderingsibyl
The problem is that the people who care about these things are not the people who vote. FUCKING VOTE DIPSHITS.
jinamuro
The entire country isn't banding together for this. Most of the country is either ignorant or doesn't care.
FootSauce
You realize you can vote for what people say but can’t control what they do.
chugeknight
Yeah that's what I don't get. Unless elections are rigged why keep voting for asshats that destroy functional government and make life hard?
elementcarbon12
"Deregulation!" "free market!" That's what many voted for and they are getting that illusion now. On the other hand, could it be plutocracy?
VinerialBlumpkin11
It would be fine if the telecoms didn't operate under legal Monopolies. Lack of competition is what wrecks this.
elementcarbon12
Yes, this would be more in line with the free market. But we have a poor history when it comes to the free market and infrastructure.
KeeleonOhms
The problem is there are some things that probably shouldnt be free market. Internet is a necesary utility at this point.
elementcarbon12
ISPs were granted utility status which meant a regulated monopoly. This was in trade for building infrastructure. (part 1)
elementcarbon12
Perhaps we need the infrastructure in government hands and the service part can be private. Open competition that way. (part 2)
elementcarbon12
But look at our highways, we have not continues to invest, so this has problems too. Maybe Starlink will help (part 3, end)
Jokeykilla
We are not voting at all, which makes it bad. Its just the same few people reelecting them.
dankburrito
It doesn't help when the representatives listen to who bought them out instead of the people that elected them.
VagisilToothpaste
And this is NEVER going to change UNTIL we remove money from politics. Nobody and no corporation should EVER be allowed to buy influence.
kevincow
"Okay or, hear me out, or we could remove the limit on corporate campaign donations. Yeah, let's do that." - SCOTUS in 2010
VagisilToothpaste
We're going to have to have a little chat about this, ladies and gentlemen...
FarginNoob
The FCC are appointed bureaucrats not politicians. They don't care about reelection.
DVSBSTrD
They're appointed by politicians who do.
Seanspeed
Why are people upvoting this nonsense? Trump is the reason the FCC is headed by who it is. And Republicans in Congress back it.
Seanspeed
It is ALL traced to elected Republicans. We can put EA to the fire, but nobody wants to put Republicans to it?
PapaSloth
But, but, but... SJW's support Hillary! MRA! BLM! Which would you rather have, net neutrality, or a president who says it's OK to be white?
Hybris51129
Hopefully all this will make people more aware of the dangers poised by unwatched purely bureaucratic administrations like the FCC/ATF/EPA.
HisDudness
Seemed to be working fine before. This seems more like a cautionary tale about rampant deregulation.
Hybris51129
Actually this same kind of issue has popped up in the ATF especially repeatedly over the years. We do need deregulation that is (1)
Hybris51129
undeniable however as seen here with the FCC it has to be controlled otherwise you hit something structurally essential. (2/2)
HisDudness
This I can agree with. As I said, "rampant" deregulation is a problem. More oversight and more neutral parties need to be involved.
nineteen85
If we voted out politicians the ones that stayed would hopefully work harder and interface with the ftc...ie do their job!
ThomasMontgomeryHaverford
Ironically, the opposite happened: after voters kicked out establishment politicians in 2010, we got the least productive Congress ever
theblackcoffee
Appointed by who?
FarginNoob
FCC commissioners are appointed by the POTUS to 5 year terms. Ajit Painted was appointed By Pres Obama, Pres Trump elevated him to Chairman.
bubwubster
Only because the old chairman resigned in a huge wave of resignations during trumps election and his push on the fcc the be more relaxed
somepersondoingsomethings
It is customary for the current chairman to resign when a new president is elected.
bubwubster
Correction, his term would end next year. So 2 years early
bubwubster
They have 5 year terms... He resigned a year early
PureTechnicality
Whom
theblackcoffee
I'm an ass.
QuintinParry
Thank you proud protector of English. You have my up vote.
ThatOnePersonYouKnowFromThatPlaceWithTheThing
The senate.
eetsumkaus
appointed by the President, confirmed by the Senate
usersubbordercontrol
Minnakht
Not the President?
trigger60
President appoints the chairman of the FCC. Obama appointed the current d-bag and trump just kept him in position.
Minnakht
Obama put the cunt in the commission because he had to put a Rep there and Mitch Turtle nagged him, Trump made the cunt chairman.
kobrakaimf
Nope. Obama put him IN the FCC because he had to put a Republican in. Trump made him chairman.
Quboid
"It's the Democrats' fault that the Republicans are screwing us!"
LuukeSkywalker
I am the senate.
iAntichristx666
Found it
AmazinglyCoolNameHere
Not. Yet.
Arkvoodle
We could always revolt.
AndyBiz10
Please can we?! I don't want to go back to work Monday if the revolt can happen before, that would be great!
skitoles
Americans have enough guns to do it
IUpvoteLOTRMemes
They trying to take them though. So not for long. Then we'll really be fucked.
ChancesAreIHateYou
YourenotCheddar
I’m game
triscuit3000
Sir! The peasants are revolting!
PropainAndPropainAccesories
"They can't do that! We blocked that! Have they even paid for their premium packages?!"
SevenMinds
I dont think throwing the tea in the harbour is going to work this time.
NegentropyX
At least we can spell it as “harbor” now, so it was worth it, British person.
SevenMinds
...but why would you want to spell it wrong? :p
Ladymeowsalot
@Zigor22 I’ve found you a kindred spirit.
Zigor22
I can't find what I said for which you responded to.
Ladymeowsalot
I had to dig for it, BUT—waging war on the country.
Zigor22
No link?
iDrawStuff
How about we use the system the way it was designed and vote these asses out of office? Less bloodshed (which is kinda the whole point).
anarchistimposter
I’m down.
NegentropyX
They would then repeal the 3rd Amendment.
doctorbees
Technically speaking, we the people can institute a constitutional convention w/o Congress. The hard part is getting 2/3 of states on board.
KharnMalik
ArcaneConjecture
If we can't even get people to vote, how will we get people to fight? Revolts won't happen.
ImgurCouncilOfLlamas
Been a while since the last good old fashion revolt.
JustALamp
Hit me up if you wanna plan something. Probably time for a change the way things are going
SmowI
GLHF with that.
Carsondh
yeah, just make sure to print out enough pamphlets.
GodEmperorLetoAtreidesII
I've been telling people this since November. Apparently I'm 'wrong' and 'immoral' and a 'war crime'.
CheeseborgarSoop
Not a bad idea to take to the streets.
OrionRed
We did...twice...this is the outcome.
softballguy
How about we try the voting thing first. It's a lot less fucking bloody.
MarshmallowFluffernutterPie
Voting got us where we are now?????
GodEmperorLetoAtreidesII
That's boring, and obviously doesn't do shit. Ajit Pai's head needs to be put on a pike.
AmazinglyCoolNameHere
I hope you lot are just joking and not actually this retarded & trigger-happy.PEOPLE put these politicians in.It'd be civil war,not a revolt
softballguy
Death and destruction and ruining lives is exciting. Stability is boring. The daily maintenance of good governance SHOULD be boring.
notaballoon
We don't HAVE good governance. There's nothing to maintain. An oil change doesn't fix a broken engine.
softballguy
If only there was a mechanism for peacefully replacing the parts. Oh, yeah, there is.
RoboCoonie
Hasn't been working. I think it's time.
anarchistimposter
Like we have for the last 290 years?
squip
That is a revolting idea.
BombCyclone
Guy Fawkes would approve.
ImgurCouncilOfLlamas
Its funny how the UK has a day of commemoration for an attack that didn't even end up happening.
Beliandrax
You said "Guy Fawkes" but my brain showed me guy fieri
Blundermore
That's not guy Fawkes
HideyoWifeHideyoKids
Remember remember
buttouchious
To dupe legal tender
BombCyclone
The fifth of November
lordofthedice
Think that date already passed this time around.
HisDudness
The gunpowder treason and plot.
Itsalrighttobeconservative
You’re far too comfortable for that to happen and they know it.
Arsikere
that sounds like too much work tho
DanFendi
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/iceland-women-protest-strike-gender-pay-gap-leave-work-early-a7378801.html we do this
Arsikere
ah yes, the good ole gender wage gap. a fine example of how statistics can be bent any way to confirm biases
theHoff12
we need a fucking revolution
AmazinglyCoolNameHere
Yeah, in your fucking heads. A revolution in culture, so people stop being so selfish and uneducated.
TheMightyKibbless
I'd say a lot of us are pretty revolting.
kongfuchicken
We could start voting more. Only 43% of the 18-24 demographics voted in the last election and 54.3% total. Old uneducated people vote more
anarchistimposter
Those that don’t vote are largely anarchists who would prefer no government. Not the majority, but a lot of them.
AmazinglyCoolNameHere
Well they're retarded and part of the problem too.
anarchistimposter
If non voters are responsible for government stupidity, then we are all responsible for the actions of every group we don’t support....
AmazinglyCoolNameHere
You think you're not stupid and the government is? Reality check- you're a fucking idiot, and frankly people like you deserve this shit. 2/2
AmazinglyCoolNameHere
Holy shit the retardation never ceases. If they had voted the outcome could have been different, therefore yes they are responsible. 1/2
bluegargoyle
THIS.
roadhunter
You mean, put that 2nd Amendment to use?
SuperKingofSuperStuff
I don't think the american people would revolt over anything anymore. They have their marches, protests, etc... but all in all no actual...
SuperKingofSuperStuff
"let's halt the country or really fuck shit up or even let's kick every member of congress/senators or whoever out of the office"
Obigelo
Be careful out there mate, you might be watched
AmazinglyCoolNameHere
Good, retards like him should be watched.
nasukkin
Plot twist: poster is from a different continent from North America.
AmazinglyCoolNameHere
*from Russia*
zerohourrct
Fortunately monitoring someone and stopping a revolt are two very different things.
savax7
You're already being watched.
SkeuomorphicallyInclined
The FCC is part of the executive. Literally the last president protected net neutrality.
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MuayThaiwinLannister
The president has control over appointments to federal agencies, so if the president appoints a stooge...
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MuayThaiwinLannister
Ok
DarkCrawler901
Yep. This is not a "both sides" thing. One party consistently for, one party against. Vote for the GOP, you get what you fucking asked for.
Cilvaa
I'm always amazed how people who vote right-wing get upset when right-wing politicians do things they don't like.. Play stupid games, (1/2)
Cilvaa
win stupid prizes (2/2)
plactoid
I was going to upvote your comments until the"play stupid games" comment I've heard way to much. Focus on the lies, not the misled.
DarkCrawler901
So when Comcast (you know, owner of NBC) makes Trump voters pay twice as for a 'MURICA BUNDLE (needed to see FOX) I'll get my quantum violin
Wolvenlight
Honestly, this scenario would probably be the only way to get through to any conservative voters who don't regularly use the internet.
Chpgmr
Most likely that will be the only free channel
OMPundit
Not possible to vote for candidate who values everything you do. If candidate is against 1 thing you like but for 15 others you value...
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Thranx
And more often it's about picking the person with the least number of things you detest. Our selections are made defensively. It's sad.
Whatsname
Then throw your hat on the next elections. Who said there can only be Democrats or Republicans on the ballot?
SaxonsNowRedux
Senators are supposed to represent the people. Not the other way around.
SJohnson23
They do represent the people. In Alabama, it’s a choice between someone who prosecuted the KKK and a child molester. It’s a close race.
DownvoteFactory
Preach!
EGOT
I'd rather have a candidate who is guaranteed to vote for the stuff most important to me, even if it's only 40% of the time.
PureTechnicality
I don't think you understand how guarantees work.
EGOT
I mean, the 40% is the stuff most important to me (IE choice, voting rights). The other 60% are issues I disagree with but aren't critical.
atechnicnate
Yep, this is the shitty part about having such drastic party lines...
DVSBSTrD
No it isn't. Why should you have a candidate that agrees with you 100% when they represent millions of people with their own opinions?
WaterUnderTheRocketAppliances
More likely, candidate A is against 9 things you like and B is against 10.
DVSBSTrD
Not really, unless you're wildly inconsistent with your beliefs.
DrunkGermanGuy
It would help if America wasn't a de-facto two party system because of FPTP elections. More parties = broader spectrum of ideologies.
intashu
I just want more politicians that are for helping the average person.. Not the businesses and insainly rich. Is that too much to ask?
DVSBSTrD
Then did you vote for the candidate who's charity foundation has given out AIDs medication to over 9 million people.
sammmuel
A lot of people see "helping the average person" differently than you do. Hence the issue.
intashu
This is true. But it isn't too hard to tell the average Joe wants a free internet, affordable Healthcare, ect.. Yet here we are!
sammmuel
Lots of people not on Internet communities don't give a fuck; plus, lots of poor people vote against affordable healthcare. Not clear cut!
intashu
I can agree it gets incredibly complicated quickly. And politicians do well at mudding the water and confusing people too.
Kodaxmax
don't be naive truly selfless people don't exist, human brains simply aren't wired like that.
HisDudness
That's a challenge to be better, not an excuse for laziness.
Kodaxmax
Indeed, however "better" is subjective. some might say become cyborgs is better while some would rather cling to tradition for example.
WorkaholicGifsForEveryReply
Three down votes for wanting average people to be helped. Kind of strange.
hotgmasinyourarea
A candidate won't even become a candidate without already having helped one or both of those
Roroer
Yes.
intashu
EGOT
This is why voting in primaries is important. Don't pick the guy that's perfect for you, pick the pretty good guy who can beat the guy 1/2
hellothisispeggy
This is called strategic voting and results in worse results for everyone overall.
EGOT
They can't be worse for everyone.
hellothisispeggy
You have subverted your own choice in an attempt to keep the worst from winning but you're pretty much forced to do so by our voting system.
EGOT
It's called compromise, and it is sorely needed. My vote isn't just for my representative, it's for the whole district.
Carnivoracious
We tried doing that in the presidential primaries but it turns out that delegates and super delegates do the actual voting, 1/2
EGOT
Why is everyone so hung up on presidential elections? They're not everything.
Carnivoracious
Can't account for everyone here, but I was using the 2016 primaries as an example of how rigged the system is. Can you honestly say 1/2
Carnivoracious
Candidate how worried are they going to be about primaries that draw less publicity? fin
Carnivoracious
You know who ran in the last congressional primaries? If the party feels like they can get away with essentially choosing a presidential 2/?
somepersondoingsomethings
You have access to the internet. Its not hard to find your Reps. They do far more damage to the internet than the national level too.
EGOT
Like, what state are you in? I can give you a run down of al lthe candidates in swing districts.
EGOT
I work on Congressional campaigns. Have for 6 years. Yes I know who is in all the primaries in my state.
Carnivoracious
The same way that the electoral college does the actual voting in the election. Except the super delegates' can vote for whoever they want.2
EGOT
who is absolutely fucking awful in the general election 2/2
pgdave
The people who are fighting to protect NN aren't the ones electing conservatives. They're typically packed into liberal districts.
ScruffyThePirate
True.I'm from Kansas and I know a bunch of people here voted for trump because erk a der and then never pay attention to anything politics 1
dogsrulearmystrong
And that is why you moronic asshat. Fuck you
ScruffyThePirate
Ever again they "are too busy living and working." 2
FreedomWaffles
its weird I was raised republican but as I age I keep agreeing with a lot of liberal platforms. the only thing I disagree on is gun control.
imooforyou
Same. And I was raised in SF. So I had crazy right opinions and crazy left thrown at me. I have a more moderate opinion on gun control tho.
RabidHobo
Younger people typically have more to gain from liberal policies because they begin adulthood with little personal income or savings.
pgdave
they're used and treated in rural vs. urban areas, and the types of guns people encounter in the two locations. 2/2
kobrakaimf
What specific Democratic Congressperson has introduced gun control legislation you disagree with? What about it do you disagree with?
JosephSelah
As a liberal, the right to guns isn't an issue, the fanatism is.
pgdave
The liberals right now are the more reasonable party in most ways. Part of the issue with guns is that there's a big divide between how 1/2
Minnakht
Mostly because you're still young, I'd guess. The world has developed quickly recently, and so it's hard to agree with old republican ideas.
imooforyou
The world is changing very quickly. And I think thats where a majority of the huge divide comes from. People don't adapt easily.
pgdave
Old ideas are fine, for the most part. New ones are terrifying. R's used to be pro-environment, pro-science, and not anti-government.
Minnakht
Where or when did it go so wrong?
pgdave
Starts with the Southern Strategy, bolstered by Newt Gingrich's co-horts, then the Tea Party solidified it into what it is now.
FreedomWaffles
I'm 28. usually you get more conservative as you age. not the other way around. to be fair my parents weren't hardcore republicans and 1/2
LiteralFish
You don't get more conservative, Others get more liberal so comparatively you become "conservative"
FreedomWaffles
were pretty open minded people who volunteered at church and loved helping people.
Minnakht
That sounds good! Honestly, being a good person matters more than any party affiliation, and I want to hope voters keep that in mind.
G1ngerBoy
I'm a conservative and support Net Neutrality and I can't for the life of me figure out why anyone would want to get rid of it
LiteralFish
They don't know what it is.
kevincow
Rich conservatives would profit from it, and poor conservatives love voting against their own interests if it'll piss off liberals.
pgdave
The problem is that it *does* stifle innovation at the ISP level, but it's what allows innovation for every other internet-based-industry.
JosephSelah
Innovation and competition happens in emerging industries. Everything becomes an oligarchy eventually. That's why early comp era was great
pgdave
Innovation and competition happen in all industries, even old ones. It might not appear as much from the outside, I suppose.
JosephSelah
Very minimal. Most happen in other industries that get carried over. Driverless cars, less about cars, more about computers.
ThinkBackwards
countbassy
...aaaaaannnnd there’s the answer
G1ngerBoy
If anyone bothers to think about it though they will realize that in the long run its only going to hurt their wallet not line it with cash
ThinkBackwards
The problem though is that no one who matters seems to be capable of thinking that way. #877-CASH-NOW
KeeleonOhms
The ISPs are the ones who get the money. They just bribe the politicians to ignore the peasants.
JosephSelah
Who? Comcast gets the money. Comcast pays the politician. The politician is it for themselves. Politics is a get rich scheme
JosephSelah
Why do you think lower taxes hits mostly the top. Their money, not yours.
tarst
And the liberal districts are jerry mandered to keep them split and conservative.
pgdave
No, that's not how gerrymandering works. They're gerrymandered so that they're 90% lib, and other districts are 55% conservative.
AtLastWeMeetForTheFirstTimeForTheLastTime
Actually both. Minimize liberal districts in any way possible.
GaySocialistLiberalMuslimCommieAtheist
What's the state that only has like 30% of people voting Republican but has 70% Republican representation?
invaderkong
Feel free to look at Ohio's gerrymandering issue where it concentrated "liberal" votes but increased "conservative" districts.
JosephSelah
That one map of all us red and only cites blue. Our cites aren't that populated, such obvious gerrymandering.
SaxonsNowRedux
the right has majority control.....so...my point still stands. If more liberals voted we might have more seats.
KeeleonOhms
I really wish this wasnt a partisan issue. I dont want to have to give away all my rights to keep something this basic.
SaxonsNowRedux
But im nit turning this into a 'its that wings fault' debate. My point is entirely accurate. People only care when its popular to do so.
countbassy
But it is that wings fault
Stormbaddia
You realize the scumbag that is fighting to remove NN hAS been in his position longer than 11 mo.
Minnakht
Not in his current position, just one that needed to be filled by a minority/opposition representative, if I understood someone else right.
theHoff12
We do and did in the last election. The problem is we are all packed on the coasts. It is rural america, where the few people who live (1)
theHoff12
vote these corrupt idiots in. What we need is more liberals in these states, but most of rural america is poor, uneducated, and offers (2)
theHoff12
a lack of jobs, so there is no incentive for liberals to move there.
pgdave
More liberals voted in the last election, the Democrats won the popular vote.
SaxonsNowRedux
There is more than one election. And more offices than secretary of state. And thaaaats the problem. No one seems to care about that lol
AtomIndigo
Just not in the states where it mattered....
pgdave
Correct, they only vote in the states where they live.
TopCommenter
I mean, you aren't allowed to vote outside of your state.
WalterSobchaksWorldOfPain
Congress has a 14% approval rating and a 95% reelection rate (as of 2014).
Euronyme
Yeah, and a voter turnout similar to that of Russia. Getting people to vote is more effective than complaining about the people you voted on
PropainAndPropainAccesories
And If I recall removing net neutrality has a 98% disapproval rate yet 5 people, 3 of which corrupt, are deciding the fate of the internet
theopposite
Gerrymandering
justmoral
I would ponder if the majority of those concerned do not vote or haven’t voted for a long time.
lukemwp
Americans are retarded
TresusIbor
It's mostly because they don't care about who they're voting for as long as the letter after their name matches their own.
bpetersen
I thought this was very good. This explains why this is https://youtu.be/rStL7niR7gs
OMFGWhatHaveWeDONE
bpetersen
You know you have beaten the system when everyone doesn't want you in office but you still keep getting re-elected
sentientseven
Wheels on the bus go round & round
SamaelTheVenomOfGod
Elections are won in the primaries. The rest is a formality.
MaxMinutiae
It’s gerrymandering. Politicians picking who gets to vote for them. Voting doesn’t work. We need Supreme Court intervention.
Whatyouregonnawannado
It's because there are no other choices.
Banjostory
We like our own representatives and hate everyone else's.
BadMrFrosty
Its because the people they poll aren't actually the people that vote. I don't know how people haven't figured that out.
midsongnipplerub
That's because we have 1 party that comes in varieties . Republican and diet republican, same shitty economics, half the social guilt.
midsongnipplerub
*in 2 varieties
The22ndDoctor
rainbowberrypooptart
isnt that cus the internet represents mostly young people, but the older folks make up most of the voting?
Thanshin
That's because Americans are loyal and also mistake political parties with sports teams. You choose one and support it forever, for loyalty.
SpreadyUnsettling
That loyalty also stems from a political system in which a two party system is so heavily favored, nothing else is feasible.
RonaldFckingSwanson
Well you know where the problem lies if you lose net neutrality.
alsoAzrael
Holy shit that's fucking depressing. Brb, buying more bourbon.
himself1
Thanks for reminding me that I have private stock and coke!
Gronkar
I'd vote for you.
WalterSobchaksWorldOfPain
Ooh, can I come over? What is your bourbon of choice?
alsoAzrael
I can't find/afford the nice ones I keep hearing about, but right now I my favorite (that I can get) is Elijah Craig. I also have a 1/2
alsoAzrael
fairly decent bourbon from The Thousand Islands, that isn't as good but that's my favorite place on earth so it's okay. :) 2/2
WalterSobchaksWorldOfPain
Cool - what's it called?
Imnotapotatoe
Right or left, they all get paid off by the big companies... I just wish politicians didn't get paid, and did it to make a difference
Seanspeed
I love how in a topic about an evil Republican agenda, we're hearing all this 'both sides' rhetoric. Republicans must be laughing...
BeautifulThighs
Do consider that when you call all Republicans evil, you help Trump's divide and conquer strategy. There is a way to oppose him w/o dividing
squip
It's because of that Gerry Mandering asshole. Fucking son of a bitch prick bastard.
BugcatcherJay
Who is this "Gerry Mandering?" He sounds like a bad egg.
squip
Oh he’s a right bastard I tell you. Raped my entire family and the one across the street on a drunken rampage once. I swear it’s true.
DukeDarkwood
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elbridge_Gerry
SpreadyUnsettling
Let's vote him out! My whole district disagrees with him, and the two neighboring districts are only slightly in his favor.
minipancho94
start running people. ill almost always choose a new guy over a career politician. dont hope for change, be the change.
ForReasonsOfScience
Read their platform https://www.justicedemocrats.com/platform
pgdave
Institutional knowledge is important.
tehguldincalk
Ironically, people conveniently claim they want new people to run, but then complain that the person running lacks experience in politics
minipancho94
call them out on their shit then. the only thing for me is if their a bumbling idiot or go against my key principles.
AmazinglyCoolNameHere
Classic mindless american attitude.Look at your "new guy" pres.It's not about career politician or new politician,it's about their policies.
minipancho94
trump isnt a "new guy", hes a millionaire with an established presence in politics. when I say new guy, i mean average joe/small CEO.
AmazinglyCoolNameHere
Trump called himself an "outsider", not a politician, and it sold. Yours is the same mindless principle. Their policies are what matter.
minipancho94
i never said to ignore their policies. this isnt a fucking legal hearing. we have 140 characters to use, things are left to be inferred. 1/2
EGOT
...how'd that work out in the presidential race in 2016?
minipancho94
the real shit show is in congress and the house. if you want change, start there, not with the president.
EGOT
You don't have to tell me that's literally my job. Point still stands that voting for the guy who isn't a career politician was a bad choice
AmazinglyCoolNameHere
Or how about both? The president is a pretty big fucking deal, and this topic is the executive branch. Your attitude is retarded.
minipancho94
let say you want to change something at mcdonalds, how would you do that? by working your way up to where you can. yea you might have a 1/2
WalterSobchaksWorldOfPain
I don't have any money...
minipancho94
pretty sure some states/counties will provide funds if your too poor. also take a page from our predecessors books and do a tour. 1/2
P0kEy
Wouldn't a tour cost $$ though?
minipancho94
cheaper than ads n shit. price mainly depends on what position your running for too. house and county level stuff is just a bit in gas.
minipancho94
personally anyone who went on tour and actually talked to people would have my vote. 2/2
TimeToThinkLikeASink
My dad has run independently for years. The most he's ever received is 2% of the vote. No campaign funds. I have stuffed countless (1/2)
rainbowberrypooptart
independents dont have the name, money, or klout behind them to win. government at its core is a system of corruption, sadly.
minipancho94
what better place to fight that corruption than from the inside? once enough people are in you could break off and form a 3rd party.
TimeToThinkLikeASink
Envelopes, and door to door campaigned for him, its just not enough to compete with party money, party recognition.
minipancho94
you got to run with a party right now. no choice. once in though, you can start endorsing 3rd parties, etc. play by their rules to change em
thrymn
It's easy to talk like that, but at the end of the day money is still needed. Joe Schmoe like me won't be able to get money/interest.
minipancho94
dont run as independent. this country wont let you. run either rep, or dem, and change parties during your last term if you want to. 1/2
minipancho94
the point is to get people who care and want change into office. from there we can enact change. endorse other parties and etc. 2/2
KeeleonOhms
If you arent towing the party line the party wont support you.
minipancho94
so tow the line as long as you have to? or be really passionate about something relating to the party even if the rest isnt for you. 1/2
BeautifulThighs
I give you Rand Paul. Exceptions exist to nearly every rule
anamatria1
Apathy in action.
eldorel
IT'S CALLED GERRYMANDERING PEOPLE... LOOK IT UP AND QUIT BLAMING THE OTHER VOTERS!!!
eldorel
Fix THAT ^^ and we have a chance to fix the rest of it. Otherwise, it's a game of hot potato with a Nuke. (It doesn't matter who drops it)
BeautifulThighs
Term limits, state by state. states have control over who qualifies to appear on ballots, and state laws can often be enacted by referendum
dontfuqtheworldupohwaityoudid
Wow it’s almost like democrazy is a big fat joke eating powdered donuts watching football... weeeeirrd
JosephSelah
You prefer a ruling power that gives you no say over the government?
dontfuqtheworldupohwaityoudid
Lolololol as if we do have that now
JosephSelah
I don't disagree with that. But democracy is best chance to not have it. What's your strat? Bend over and take it up the rear?
dontfuqtheworldupohwaityoudid
At least we’d be honest about ourselves. Democracy is failing due to its capitalistic bully mentality. Just repeating the word doesn’t help
ImHereForTheHockeyPosts
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valintepes
When most vote along party lines, and believe it when their guy says everything wrong in US is caused by the other side. I can believe it.
Seanspeed
Well in this case, this whole thing truly is being pushed by the Republicans so......yea, maybe dont vote for them if you dont want this?
valintepes
If you can't understand the conversation you don't have to chime in. Neither op nor my statement is at all partisan. We were having a 1/2
valintepes
nice convo without knowing each other's political leanings. If you read bias from our/my statements, perhaps its based on your own. 2/2
Seanspeed
Or if you do vote for them anyways, then dont complain. If you voted Republican/Trump, you are to blame for this.
lykwo
Almost as if it's rigged..
GendouLovesDucklings
Vote suppression is a real issue. Gerrymandering, picture ID laws, roll purges, etc. Both sides do it, but the GOP has made it a science.
NeoHelios
I thought that reelection is due to people falling for the same bullshit lines every election, or lack of political competition during elec.
RogueMachinae
When I went to go vote, hardly any young people. It was 90% older (guessing 65+) that was voting. And most of them vote a certain way so....
MuayThaiwinLannister
Everyone likes THEIR congressman
kmikl
Congress should, like diapers, be changed frequently and for the same reasons.
BeautifulThighs
Term limits. Seriously. We need to pass state by state referendums imposing term limits on their own senators and reps
BeautifulThighs
States have control over how those positions are elected, so it should be a workable solution that doesn't require Congress to pass
demosthenes89
Gerrymandering, voter suppression, and campaign finance laws are killing our democracy. It's very difficult to vote out incumbents.
Thornaxe
It's the finance laws. Voters are cattle and can easily be bought.
EGOT
Voters are actually kind of brain dead and believe whatever a TV ad says. Take TV advertising out of politics, and you've changed the game.
LizardEnterprises
Actually incumbency is not nearly as protective as it used to be. Partisanship is a much higher driver at this point...
Rexli78
While those problems are very real, the reason house incumbents are difficult to beat is; they have more experience, more money to campaign
Rexli78
with, and they have the psychological edge of being difficult to beat. Some people who possibly could beat them don’t because they lack
Rexli78
Confidence.
darkstar2480
Use and algorithm to split districts evenly. Tech is there. Take it out of the hands of the parties.
KRicci
Actually a professor at my university developed an algorithm to do just that in a fair way. We should use it.
zenunchucks
Could you make a post about this?
KRicci
I will try to. I have finals approaching, but maybe over break. I can tag you if I do :)
thankgodfordeaddinosaurs
Most people are happy with their reps/senators; they just think Congress as a whole is inefficient.
xRelyks
"You're not in traffic, you are traffic."
LurKaiSen
My disctrict's rep is for NN. The guy right next door? Mad his career trying to end it.
KeeleonOhms
The problem is you only get to vote for one of them. You can be happy with your guy and disagree with the rest.
morphis
"MY Guy/Gal is doing good things, it's the others that are the problem." -All Humans Everywhere
BrokeMyFunnyBone
No, it's just that they can coast by under a cloak of anonymity.
LokiKingOfJotunheim
It's not supposed to be "efficient"... That would be extremely dangerous to liberty for everyone in this country.
hungitalianohwaitthisisntgrindr
i get your point but it’s not inefficient for the right reasons. filibustering just to protect partisan interest and general stubbornness.
itcouldbeme
Congress isn't even in office over half of the f**king year for God's sake
RavensX1X
Ehh, with their job (which not many do) they should be meeting with peeps and whatnot for a good chunk of time as well.
rabiddutchman
Honestly, with the sh!t they've been trying to pull in recent years, that's a blessing.
itcouldbeme
it's more the cabinets fault. but honestly Donald hasn't gotten much done whether you like it or not
rabiddutchman
I'm not talking about just during this administration's tenure, but all the way back to the late 90's and early 2000's.
DrKriegersClone
That's why I'm afraid he's going to succeed in convincing his fans that they need to replace most of congress with personally loyal toadies.
SaxonsNowRedux
Most people dont even know their reps name.
c0smicj0ker
This
RedRoosta
I actually don’t...time to google
1metalnation
Ken Buck and Jared Polis. Ken is a useless shithead and Jared is the biggest bleeding heart to the point of inefficient
dokpsy
Brian babin. Last time I contacted him via email his response was basically "thanks for contacting me, I'm against the thing you support."
dokpsy
But worded like we were in agreement on the thing in question
Imalwaysready
Rep. Cecil Flugermeyler.
nocandy4u
It's not my guy that's the issue, it's your guy.
IgnorantBob
Had to swipe back and upvote.
Memgur
No it is my guy but he keeps fucking winning
eetsumkaus
welcome to representative democracy
MatrimBloodyCauthon
To be fair, democrats are all against this.
TongueTiedLabourerfromtheLandoftheLittlePeople
They call it "Obama-era net neutrality rules" because of course if Obama fought against it then having to pay for decent internet *must* /
TongueTiedLabourerfromtheLandoftheLittlePeople
/be a *good* thing
HisDudness
Well, in my case my rep is Dana Rohrabacher, so...yeah, my opinion can just go in the trash if it's not backed by Russian money.
FernandoRumdebum
That's the US in a nutshell atm. So confrontational against the other side, a climate of us vs them, so the real blame never gets laid
Kitakita
But my guy is fighting the FCC
Notme68
Don't forget gerrymandering. If they know their candidate will always win, they need not appease the masses.
TongueTiedLabourerfromtheLandoftheLittlePeople
Tip: If you are in a hopelessly gerry'd district register as a rep/dem so you can vote in their primaries
Trisar
... so... every district in every state in the Union?
TongueTiedLabourerfromtheLandoftheLittlePeople
Bullshit. The registering thing would still work though.
TongueTiedLabourerfromtheLandoftheLittlePeople
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/gerrymandering/
ConspiracyCritic
I'm a Democrat in the middle of Texas. It's definitely my guys. I vote against them when I get the chance.
hammersquirrel
ThrowAwayAcct0000
There are dozens of us!
JapAnus
My guy has a bigger dick than your guy?
Mooseheart
Anthony Weiner?
HoracioPagani
*is
JapAnus
!*
TheyMeanToWinWimbledon
Well, my guys don't have dicks. Maybe that's the solution.
freezingpilot
(D) vs (R) in the states makes me think that it might be legitimately true that "it's not my guy, it's yours" is a valid statement.
BeautifulThighs
Both parties are so used to just having to seem better than the other guy that they're both rotten beyond belief
BeautifulThighs
Democrats also kept the war machine fed, engaged in and concealed corruption, and acted against govt transparency under Obama. Both suck
BeautifulThighs
Hell, his administration got us entangled in Saudi's war interests in Yeman. A basic awareness of global events is my source
BeautifulThighs
Jesus I'm not saying Republicans are better, far from it. I'm just saying that both sides are garbage and we need to push for actual change
freezingpilot
Both Sides are Bad is the same rhetoric that allowed Trump to compare human rights activists to Nazis. BSAB is a false argument Imho.
HeavyDoots
It genuinely is. Approval ratings for any one representative are usually in the majority (except McConnell)
igooutsidesometimes
Well honestly its not my guy. Wyden has been one of the biggest supporters of net neutrality.
Picklesgoat
This guy gets it
TylerGardner
This guy doesn't get it, that guy gets it
Picklesgoat
That guy doesn’t get it, that guy does.
cheekychapstick