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Sheldonian
Don't forget investment on STEM (unless it has military applications)
MtnDewDrank
Just look how nice Iraq turned out though! /heavy sarcasm.
thugg77
jesus f-35 ballooned to 1.5 trillion? hope they finally fixed the whole blacking out from charcoal lung thing
SamuthNBS
Anything that involves spending money in to the economy is a good thing - giving it to the rich is not.
MomofukuJones
Could I have some sources with this please? Lets not be like facebook posts
cunninglinguist85
IHateApostrophes
Stop saying we can't afford healthcare. We already spend an exorbitant amount on healthcare, but none of it get allocated appropriately.
superpaul79
You people need to learn some altruism! The needs of the wealthy few far outweigh the needs of the many filthy commoners!! /s
Enderstotle
That's a shame
Blunderwriter
Uhm. What about Dougy and what he’s doing to Ontario? Aren’t they now for profit? Asshole extraordinary he is.
Rpgjgb
Theres a simple reason. The top row costs money. Eventually the bottom row makes money
aThingWithTheStufAndTheJunk
It's not that they think we can't afford education. It's that they don't want to pay for it unless it's about Jesus.
onecowboytoo
No, they as in the right, just want all private schools so the poors are dumb and just skilled enough to be wage slaves.
bestquesadillaintown
Defense to the F-35 program; it’s an international cooperation. A lot of economies hinge on it.
NR2K
TiredOfTheBS
Tbf there’s only like 10 people saying we can’t afford it. The rest don’t bother making an excuse and just admit they don’t like helping ppl
fishfryfor99bucks350
Nothing to see here, system is functioning as intended.
StunnedGoofy
WEF
icommentwithsteveharvey
Whitebeardthepirate
the more i see this reposted, the less funny it gets.
Suomijuusto89
why americans fear socialism? However, America has higher taxes than socialist capitalism countries
vicvalour
This
FuzzyWolfy329
The above would cut into the below’s bottom line.
GifThief
Our UK government increased poor people's out of work benefit only by £4 a week this year, but justified 28 mill taxpayer money on jubilee
GifThief
A couples joint claim went from £509 to £525 ?
Baeloro
Can't eat an f35
Hanzo770
Speak for yourself coward
trueunpopularopinions
https://www.ripleys.com/weird-news/mangetout/
JackingMeHoff
GOP we don't have that kind of money to spare. Military wants money to fight an unwanted war. GOP, OK $500 billion, there's more just ask.
MyCleverUsernameWasntAvailable
Why do oil companies need subsidies?
Uccidere
Because without it energy would be really expensive and not come from the US.
bohemiancrabcity
Let the market correct itself
MigSelv
and Church subsides?
ThatsProbablyInMyBag
There is a reason my company is a LLC, I have one employee, me. As long as I don't pay myself $72,000 a year I don't have to pay US taxes /1
ThatsProbablyInMyBag
For people who don't know, US citizens are required to pay taxes even if you live outside of the country. I would gladly pay if they /2
ThatsProbablyInMyBag
Went to pay for helping the citizens.
khora
A lot of those things are very, very expensive though. National healthcare would however save money.
RedWingedBlackbirds
Please everyone vote - local, state, all elections - especially in the midterms. https://www.vote.org/am-i-registered-to-vote/
Filanwizard
UHC would even benefit Wall Street. Health insurance is one of the biggest expenses for a company.
khora
Universal is a bit overreaching. Even global is a bit utopian.
LooneyBird
Lol I think people missed the joke here.
breothskin
Look I want money spent differently too but you hurt the cause when you use inaccurate BS data. Example: the 2008 Wall Street bailout spent>
breothskin
2/ about 426~ ish billion between 2008 and 2010 (via the TARP framework). With Interest, AIG, BoA and sevel others repaid over 441 B.
raymm
I recall that, I think you are right, thank you for your contribution.
breothskin
3/ US taxpayers actually made money on the deal.
DaringSteel
How much would those top 8 things actually cost?
Uccidere
healthcare - over 4 trillion a year. infrastructure to "standard" estimate - 3.6 trillion. We already pay into the others.
Kalli
We already spend more on healthcare per person then anywhere else. Just incredibly inefficiently. Would save a fortune removing billing
DaringSteel
Taking your word for it with no citations or evidence, how much would the remaining 7 cost?
SlowerDwightYouIgnorantSlut
Maybe two of the bottom programs combined, but they would actually save money and benefit people.
Uccidere
21 combined years of war would barely pay for a year of free healthcare for a year
armagetz
Wow. Talk about completely out of touch and centered in a world of feelings rather than reality.
DaringSteel
Which two?
jrfhoutx
How about Iraq/Afghanistan wars and Wall Street bailouts. Still better spent on the top 8 than those bottom 2.
armagetz
Except the bailout money wasn’t spent. It cost the government nothing.
Izman15
The F-35 project ran over budget but as a joint program it will recoup a lot in sales to NATO. In the end the program may make $.
parkway
According to?
weathercow
Now the F-22 on the other hand…
mohavewolfpup
Make money for who? Is it going back into healthcare, education, or anything but more military hardware to turn others into red mincemeat?
Chimichanga007
Lol make money for who. Clown.
ThatGuyWomack
The government is the one selling the jet to others, not the OEM.
grammarcrossingguard
Investing in the above (healthcare, education, etc.) will make and save untold trillions. The long-term benefits are nearly infinite.
knotydes
The f 35 program was/is a debacle.
Misteree8
MAY...
GadenKerensky
Well, Russia did go and pull a fucky wucky invading Ukraine, and China's been twitchy of late so the odds are in favour.
gaidinbdj
And the Wall Street bailout was in the forms of loans that the government will *make* money on.
KnifeKnut
It was a bad idea from the start to include the B mode in the idea.
DoseOfScience
Yeah, VTOL and STOVL are a bit too complex to try and work into a frame not build around it.
gtollie
DoseOfScience
And then the sacrifices made for that frame are so intense that it cripples it for any other scenario.
speershawks
And considering the Russian threat. I'd say it was needed.
Justalobstercowboy
You sound like a second amendmentologist however let's take the Wall Street buy out I'm sure we could feed a few hungry people
TempyLOL
Cool. Now spend the profits on health care and education.
gumshoe99
Just like your username, LOL
GadenKerensky
You already have the money. The Healthcare budget is already huge. The problem isn't military spending, it's shitfucked management.
GadenKerensky
In fact, cutting back military spending to redirect to healthcare probably won't change much, if the issues plaguing the healthcare sector >
GadenKerensky
aren't rectified. It'll just be more bloat for hardly equivalent improvement.
PubstarHero
You also forgot the BIG thing here - its estimated that its $1.5 trillion cost is over its 66 year long life cycle. Roughly $19/bil per >
barnwolf
For comparison, Americans currently spend $4,100 billion per year.
PubstarHero
> year. I've seen more wasteful projects burn through more money than that sadly.
ImpliedConsent
I think we’re already about 400B in, though we’ve also made a fair amount on sales. To UAE alone I think it was 50B at 50% profit.
ImpliedConsent
Sorry, 23B for 50 planes at 50% profit.
geoffmendoza
Serious question. Does the sale money go to the taxpayer, or to the manufacturer?
ImpliedConsent
The one I referred to was a sale by the US govt. So the govt gets the money. It does necessarily go to taxpayers, it goes to govt spending
legitGiraffeBandit
Have you considered the amount of return $1.5T would get if NASA had it and got even a fraction of the return they did from their heyday?
Sooner70
Sadly, a lot of NASA "spinoff tech" was actually DoD spinoff tech that the public didn't know about until NASA.
Jordan7831
Sauce please?
Sooner70
The obvious one: all those microcomputer guidance systems. They were originally for ICBMs. Just look it up.
Blaza612
Citation needed
Chank
The onus of proof is on you, telling someone to 'look it up' or to 'do their own research' is lazy.
TeleportingDonkeys
Oooor, and this sounds crazy… we can work on being self sufficient and stop arming our enemies both directly by giving them weapon and …
TeleportingDonkeys
Indirectly by giving them cash through our own consumption thus causing us to have to continue to build up our military thereby perpetuat-
TeleportingDonkeys
Ing the military industrial complex from both sides and transferring money to the pockets of the few and destroying the created “wealth” …
TeleportingDonkeys
Through war when we could literally do anything else with it including but not limited to just not taking that money from the average…
TeleportingDonkeys
Person in the first place
Shaodyn
But we couldn't possibly imagine doing away with the predatory healthcare system. Too expensive. Poor people will just have to die.
Shaodyn
Oh wait, they already are. Like the story on Twitter of the guy who hit his head really hard but wouldn't go to the ER because he couldn't
Shaodyn
afford it. His fiance found him dead the following morning.
BrdCdn
1/ The best/worst part is you already spend more per capita in gov money on Healthcare than any other developed nation. Medicare basically
Shaodyn
Yep. But God forbid the health insurance companies lose even 1 cent of potential profit.
BrdCdn
2/ costs as much as full universal Healthcare.